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Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« on: Dec 30, 22, 10:47:27 AM »
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Re: Natural Gas Prices
« Reply #1 on: Dec 30, 22, 10:55:54 AM »

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Re: Natural Gas Prices
« Reply #2 on: Dec 30, 22, 06:14:24 PM »
I don't understand this. My friend was an employee that bought gas for SW Gas as her career - it was done months in advance. This is BS.

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Re: Natural Gas Prices
« Reply #3 on: Dec 30, 22, 09:48:46 PM »
I don't understand this. My friend was an employee that bought gas for SW Gas as her career - it was done months in advance. This is BS.

I know when they "deregulated" electricity, power companies like SCE were not allowed to own generating plants (except nuclear and hydro) and they were not allowed to contract in advance.

That's BS.

Wouldn't surprise me if the same kind of BS rules were applied to SoCalGas.

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #5 on: Jan 31, 23, 01:45:38 PM »
DOWNEY, Calif. (KABC) -- SoCalGas customers may get some relief when paying their natural gas bills as early as next month.
The hike in natural gas rates has had many customers wondering when they'll catch a break.

Throughout January, Eyewitness News brought you the voices of people surprised to see their gas bills jump, sometimes regardless of them using less of the resource. On Monday, SoCalGas President Maryam Brown said this was all because of an unusual supply-and-demand event.

"We've been very concerned for our customers," Brown said.

The price the company paid for natural gas was up this month to $3.45 per therm - which is four times higher than the same time last year and 11 times higher than that of 2018.

Meanwhile, national prices, like those from the Henry Hub pipeline, were dipping to levels not seen since June 2021.

"The issue is that the infrastructure in the West has been constrained, that we've had limitation," Brown explained. "A limitation of being able to bring natural gas into the West because the pipelines are already full and there was less storage in the northern parts of the state and that affected prices here, but we do think that it was acute, a period of time, and we're seeing those costs come down."

Brown said along with grants from the gas assistance fund for eligible applicants, customers can expect to see their annual springtime Cap-and-Trade program credit earlier this year.

A SoCalGas' unveiling of the first renewable hydrogen microgrid and home on Monday, California's Lieutenant Governor Eleni Kounalakis said we're at the mercy of the fossil fuel industry until we rely on other resources.

"Taking control of our energy future by investing in renewable energy is the best thing we can do for every working family in the state of California," she said.

A SoCalGas spokesperson told Eyewitness News the company expects to make an announcement this week about a significant drop in natural gas rates.

https://abc7.com/socalgas-natural-gas-prices-southern-california-january-2023-bills-antelope-valley/12752467/

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #6 on: Feb 14, 23, 09:39:13 AM »
My SoCal gas bill has gone from $41 on 8/15/22 to $652 on 2/13/23. This is unbelievable! The PUC must not be representing the consumer!

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #7 on: Feb 14, 23, 11:11:25 AM »
My SoCal gas bill has gone from $41 on 8/15/22 to $652 on 2/13/23. This is unbelievable! The PUC must not be representing the consumer!

While dramatic, comparing August natural gas use to February seems a little apples and oranges. Did you run your heater in August? I'm curious what it was in February 2022. When I compared my 2022 and 2023 numbers, it was $102 to $172, which still is an alarming 69% increase.

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #8 on: Feb 14, 23, 02:02:04 PM »
How about from $215.50 on 11/14/23 to $652.04 on 2/13/23? Is that a appropriated comparison?

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #9 on: Feb 14, 23, 02:24:15 PM »
> California's Lieutenant Governor Eleni Kounalakis said we're at the mercy of the fossil fuel industry until we rely on other resources.

riiiiiight, it's the fossil fuel industry that's to blame for California's natural gas prices...

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #10 on: Feb 15, 23, 06:05:43 PM »
I just looked up my gas bills, comparing last year to this year:

Month     2022     2023     % Increase
Dec        $95     $179         88%
Jan       $152     $301         98%
Feb       $147     $327        122%

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #11 on: Feb 15, 23, 07:29:38 PM »
My SoCal gas bill has gone from $41 on 8/15/22 to $652 on 2/13/23. This is unbelievable! The PUC must not be representing the consumer!


I wouldn't compare August bill to Feb, you didn't use the heater back then, but gas prices has gone up, you might want to put how much usage was used when comparing.

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #12 on: Feb 15, 23, 07:32:09 PM »
I just looked up my gas bills, comparing last year to this year:

Month     2022     2023     % Increase
Dec        $95     $179         88%
Jan       $152     $301         98%
Feb       $147     $327        122%

Where is the usage amount? Therms

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #13 on: Feb 15, 23, 08:11:22 PM »
The gas commodity line item was $0.76/therm on my Jan/Feb 2022 bill and $2.80/therm on Jan/Feb 2023.

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #14 on: Feb 17, 23, 09:29:32 AM »
I redid my table using $/therm (total bill) and the percentage did come down, especially for December, but the last two bills were definitely large increases:

Month     2022     2023     % Increase
Dec      $1.57    $1.93         23%
Jan      $1.72    $3.18         85%
Feb      $1.71    $3.15         84%

My February bill is also after decreasing the thermostat between 5 and 10 degrees from the setting my wife prefers which is already too cold for mere mortals  8)

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Re: Natural Gas Prices and Edison Prices
« Reply #15 on: Feb 24, 23, 12:31:05 PM »