i got a free pair of gloves someone left by the picnic tables at jensens ;D
i got a free pair of gloves someone left by the picnic tables at jensens ;D
Weren't you looking into used kids stuff to sell online?
The used diapers around town should be a gold mine :wink3:
Will things be better when the roads to Big Bear are open??
Of course, the (diaper) sandbags I sell everyone would be fresh as a daisy! ;D
i got a free pair of gloves someone left by the picnic tables at jensens ;D
I'm on my way to your neighborhood tomorrow with my wife and 2 pre-school daughters. I'm doing research on where we can get out of our car and play in some snow for a while. This is so interesting to read about snowplayers and ghetto snow and diapers. Now I know how NOT to behave. I'm going to do my best to be very respectful of your yards, eat a meal at a local restaurant, and have a fun time. I totally understand where you're coming from, and hope we don't ruin your day..... :)
there were no snowplayers on our street (cardinal road) thank goodness!!! but i did see them by down the hill as you turn out to hwy 2. a truckload of snowplayers stopped by our driveway to ask us where they can shovel snow into their truck and we just said not from this neighborhood!!! >:(
Hey Wrightwood, how does that crime scene tape work at keeping the snowplayers out? ;)
there were no snowplayers on our street (cardinal road) thank goodness!!! but i did see them by down the hill as you turn out to hwy 2. a truckload of snowplayers stopped by our driveway to ask us where they can shovel snow into their truck and we just said not from this neighborhood!!! >:(
But, if they shovel it OUT of your driveway, is this a bad thing?
QuoteI understand it's just too overwhelming for the local law enforcement at these times
Don't create a law that will not be enforced. And don't do selective enforcement only during fair weather months when the locals are out responsibly enjoying the forest. >:(
Was that link supposed to be clickable? ???
Go to AROUND THE VILLAGE and click on RESIDENCY STICKERS, Wrightwood posted a excellent article on this.
OR CLICK on
http://www.tehachapinews.com/01122005/vis.html
WW, You say this is some of the worst traffic ...
How does it compare to other "lotsa snow" years, such as El Nino 97-98?
:o WOW! :oOf course it does not apply to them. Just like red lights and stop signs and no passings signs and........
GREAT PICS, AS ALWAYS, WRIGHTWOOD.
Hard to believe that so many people think that these posted signs do NOT apply to THEM.
I hope snow-playing season will end soon. :2thumbsup:
When our parking expansion is complete it will help free up parking on St Hwy 2 for additional snow players and help improve actual traffic flow in the Big Pines area.
Our proposed parking expansion would help elevate the current parking problem for our paying customers.
Does anybody really know what our liability is if someone gets hurt while snowplaying on our private property? Do the No Trespassing signs hold any legal sway? We're always worried about lawsuits, but I'm wondering if this is a valid concern.
O.K. I'm going to go off topic and diatribe here for a minute >:(
I agree that there are some really frivolous lawsuits out there and some ridiculous jury awards--but the McDonalds thing is a little more serious that it first sounds. The woman who "spilled hot coffee in her lap and sued" had THIRD DEGREE BURNS TO HER GROIN AREA because the kid who reheated the coffee put it in the microwave for over two minutes. It was literally boiling hot. THAT is why there was an award for negligence. It wasn't like she spilled hot coffee and had some red skin or even blisters for awhile. She had to have skin grafts! ;)
Now, back to your regular programming about wanking on snowplayers ::) :P
I'm doing that tomorrow morning! I hate getting stuck without the basics -- peanut butter, pet food and Chardonnay. ;>
I hate getting stuck without the basics -- peanut butter, pet food and Chardonnay. ;>
Put a sign on the front of your property "This Is My Snow Now Get Lost!"
And although the drive is private, the land at the top is Forestry Land and not privately owned.
This topic was covered by the CHP at the last MAC meeting.
Signs are being used according to the officer. He said that Caltrans has been placing the electronic message signs before entering Wrightwood along Hwy 138, I believe.
According to state law the signs cannot say that Mountain High is full as that's advertising for MH. The signs are suppose to have the wording indicating : Expect 2-4 hour traffic delays.
I know they can't advertise for MH, but why can't they use the words "mountain resorts"? They already use those words on the sign from eastbound 138 to 2, as well as the sign for the 30 exit off 215. So maybe they could say "Highway 2 congested between WW and mountain resorts"?I couldn't agree more.
Ive seen cars go 20mph ive seen semi's go 60 and ive seen my mom go 65 on the 138 and ive seen a little black honda hatch back with tinted windows doing 80 and pass cars
Im getting my permit soon and the 138 scares the crap out of me where it goes the mt and the otherside is almost a sheer drop i dont want to get hit and knocked off or into the mt because some idiot...
Wait a minute. Couldn't we get out the video cameras, make a short movie, and make some $$ of this?
Toolman,
I have a number of bright orange cones and rolls of caution tape if you need them.
This weekend should not have a snow player crowd but that intersection could be a doozie.
Send me a PM if you need anything.
i really believe that the town should provide more trashcans as well as opening the public restroon near the bank year round. And actually open the restroom when the schedule says, if they have no real restroom to use they will resort to using and polluting our forest :'(
i do agree that many snow player visitors litter way to much but we are not giving them other options, there are no trashcans for them to responsibly dispose of their trash.
i know as many of you do to pack it in and pack it out, unfortunetly our visitors do not.
Maybe mountain hardware could add that to there website which encourages these visitors to come.
i really believe that the town should provide more trashcans as well as opening the public restroon near the bank year round. And actually open the restroom when the schedule says, if they have no real restroom to use they will resort to using and polluting our forest :'(
i do agree that many snow player visitors litter way to much but we are not giving them other options, there are no trashcans for them to responsibly dispose of their trash.
i know as many of you do to pack it in and pack it out, unfortunetly our visitors do not.
Maybe mountain hardware could add that to there website which encourages these visitors to come.
I wonder what would happen if we visited their house and threw trash on their lawns? :'(
We need to bring back more of those "Native American with the tear" type of commercials.
tell the snowplayers that the sand man doesn't want to have to come up there and take his belt off.(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f83/citygals/th100_4520.jpg)
Time to grab some trash bags and get to work people!
Time to grab some trash bags and get to work people!
Great idea Hillbilly....how 'bout you take the lake and the rest of us will hit HWY2 and Big Pine ;D ;D
A group of Forest volunteers will be out today. Most of the rash has been piled up by the Fenner crew, but there was still more activity out there yesterday.
Maybe we'll see ya out there.....got's ta go.
Time to grab some trash bags and get to work people!
Time to grab some trash bags and get to work people!
By filling the bags with pine cones, and whacking these idiots on the head with it? ;)
What has been overlooked in this discussion, is this is not a new problem. This has been going on for years and it gets worse every year. There are several discussions in this forum that discribes the problem in past years.
What concern me is that someday it will escalate to a point where some property owner will decide to take matters into their own hands and then all H--- will break loose.
What has been overlooked in this discussion, is this is not a new problem. This has been going on for years and it gets worse every year. There are several discussions in this forum that discribes the problem in past years.
I'm still pretty fresh in town and speaking for myself, it never occurred to me that this was a new problem. I thought that like most irksome things that are difficult to fix, we're just back 'in season' again and it's on everyone's radar.QuoteWhat concern me is that someday it will escalate to a point where some property owner will decide to take matters into their own hands and then all H--- will break loose.
So maybe that's why we still need to pursue more solutions. That sounds Polly Anna, but this time I'm not. Maybe the best we can ever do is improve this situation if not solve it, but we certainly can't move forward if it's given up on.
I'm not sure that I understand your remark about a homeowner taking matters into their own hands, maybe you could expand your thought. I don't think you're blaming homeowners for not appreciating 'company' on their property or that they should live & let live, right? Otherwise, I agree, if we can't get more LEO enforcement for private property, I have to say that if it were me, I'd be pretty fit to be tied with such lack of respect for my space. None of us thought they were buying a park to share, right?
Ok, so it's an old problem, how can we move forward, reinvent the wheel? Say, what has been tried in the past as far as local government spending more money/attention on the enforcement issue? I'm just thinking off the top of my hat, but seems like we had some luck in that area this year, in particular I'm thinking of Chuck's efforts. I wonder how hard it would be to get someone like this to come up for a ski Sat/Sun to see the trash, trespassing, fires that are too big or don't get put out, walking on the lake, etc., etc. Some of y'all will laugh at the thought, but hey, if we don't ask...
This may sound silly, but any way to set up an electric fence? It may be cheaper than a real fence.
P And throwing clean water on someone is NOT considered an assault. In fact, it's one of the few things you can throw from a moving vehicle that is allowed.
Then you can hit them with chicken feathers. That also isn't considered littering from a vehicle. ;)
People won't play outside in the rain usually....so make it rain.
Get a good high pressure hose with very narrow (distance stream) nozzle. When snow players come out, you don't have to get near them. Just spray a stream of water 30-40' over to where they're all playing. It should be your "men" doing this since I would assume there could be people pissed off...but YOU'RE pissed off and needing to make it really unpleasant for people who trespass. People won't play outside in the rain usually....so make it rain.
Oooh, that would be so fun to watch. Bet they could sell tickets. ;D
I'm with you hill okie, I always carry out more than I carry in.
Well maybe not always......sometimes Lupine Camper is wearing the backpack.
You're lucky you can tell when the snow melts....Down at the levels there's so many pampers thrown on the ground it's still white till spring.
That doesn't sound like the hikers I know. Oh, I see the quotation marks around your word hikers so you're using the word loosely. Most of the hikers I know love nature and would never considering leaving anything but footprints.
Is there a dumpster by the community center? Maybe if they provide a big dumpster that is not locked then maybe the visitors can use it.
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The first one is a brilliant woman standing in LPC with a toddler, this is at the bottom of the upper s curves where there was about 20 cars on the downhill side and people playing all over the place.
I love the rain but wish it would turn to snow!
Just looked outside and for a split second there it was snowing - YEAH!
Just checked out the live camera. Who hoo! Hope some of that snow sticks around for Christmas!
:SMgrowsnow:
(http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/snowplay/DesertFront.jpg)
I completlely agree with raddog and the street blocking...that is why we sent our friends to the very top of Acorn Canyon (by the gate). We figured they would be out of everyones way and not disturbing anyone. And although the drive is private, the land at the top is Forestry Land and not privately owned.
Response to the person who sent their friend up Acorn:
About a month ago my wife took me up that road to show me how beautiful it was. She also wanted to show me a couple of houses for sale up there. We went past the sign that said private road and drove to the end. As we turned around at the dead end of the street, a couple of young thugs came running up to our car waving their arms as if we were trespassers and very unwelcome. These thugs were part of a group of 4 who appeared to be drinking beer at the house on the west side of the dead end. I wanted to ask them what their problem was with us driving on a public road (marked private), but my common sense (my wife) convinced me to just drive away.
I wonder how those houses that are up for sale will ever sell with that bogus sign telling people to stay off the "private road".
So who should we call when our property is being invaded and people refuse to leave?
I may have the girls out selling Chicklets and velvet Elvis paintings this weekend.
Snowplayers decided to park in front of my house, got out of their car, and the kids ran toward my Bassett Hound who is on a zip line in the front yard. I yelled at them to get away from the dog, that he bites (he doesn't bite and craves attention and would smother them with kisses if he had the chance). I told them their car was blocking the road and would prevent other cars from turning around. They ignored me and continued walking away from their car. Sheesh, what's wrong with people?
I just heard that one of my neighbors came home last Saturday to find snowplayers parked in his one-car driveway and having a picnic in his yard. ?????
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just heard that one of my neighbors came home last Saturday to find snowplayers parked in his one-car driveway and having a picnic in his yard. ?????
Response to the person who sent their friend up Acorn:
About a month ago my wife took me up that road to show me how beautiful it was. She also wanted to show me a couple of houses for sale up there. We went past the sign that said private road and drove to the end. As we turned around at the dead end of the street, a couple of young thugs came running up to our car waving their arms as if we were trespassers and very unwelcome. These thugs were part of a group of 4 who appeared to be drinking beer at the house on the west side of the dead end. I wanted to ask them what their problem was with us driving on a public road (marked private), but my common sense (my wife) convinced me to just drive away.
I wonder how those houses that are up for sale will ever sell with that bogus sign telling people to stay off the "private road".
I completlely agree with raddog and the street blocking...that is why we sent our friends to the very top of Acorn Canyon (by the gate). We figured they would be out of everyones way and not disturbing anyone. And although the drive is private, the land at the top is Forestry Land and not privately owned.
Today was markedly better, but I don't think there were nearly the numbers that there were last week. Do you think that the people are are going to come (snow players) come up once and then are done for the year?
If it makes ya'all feel any better.......
I was trying to get a handle, on handling the new snowblower today. As I was getting use to the gearing options and operating it, I totally forgot about pointing the snow shoot properly and was blowing 50ft. of snow straight across the street. Well...what was to happen next....was a mistake but friggen hilarious at the same time. As a family in a full van was eyeballing the neighbors house across the street which isn't occupied much...... I blew snow directly into the drivers rolled down window...... ooop's my bad... :o I really didn't mean to do it and felt really bad about that...it just happened. After that, you bet I kept an eye on the shoot positioning. Hate to get a cap in the arse. ::)
With the Superbowl today traffic should be relatively light.
Response to the person who sent their friend up Acorn:
About a month ago my wife took me up that road to show me how beautiful it was. She also wanted to show me a couple of houses for sale up there. We went past the sign that said private road and drove to the end. As we turned around at the dead end of the street, a couple of young thugs came running up to our car waving their arms as if we were trespassers and very unwelcome. These thugs were part of a group of 4 who appeared to be drinking beer at the house on the west side of the dead end. I wanted to ask them what their problem was with us driving on a public road (marked private), but my common sense (my wife) convinced me to just drive away.
I wonder how those houses that are up for sale will ever sell with that bogus sign telling people to stay off the "private road".
I happen to live up on upper Acorn, so perhaps I could shed some light on this.
First, it is indeed a private road, although for some reason you don't believe it. It is private property. The homeowners pay for upkeep and snow clearing.
Second, those thugs to whom you are referring are not thugs at all. They are professional/semi-professional snowboarders. They are young, so they do behave sometimes as young folks will, and drink beer, have small parties, etc. However, they are good folks and generally good neighbors. Maybe they were wondering why you felt that the private property belonged more to you than to them...just a thought.
I had one other thought--why don't you tell me where YOU live so I can send people up on your street so they can have a party in your front yard and leave trash and soiled diapers in their wake. After all, I'm sure yours is a PUBLIC street, so it should be no problem at all. ;)
All kidding (and sarcasm!) aside, we generally do welcome those who come to upper Acorn to access the trail. With that said, upper Acorn is not a big street and doesn't have a lot of parking. There probably isn't room reasonably for three or four cars without blocking the (private) street. That isn't me saying I don't want people coming up--that is just reality. Most days when the weather is good and no snow on the ground you can find backpackers walking up/down the street to/from the trail. They are not a problem at all. Most of the time, the good folks from Wrightwood and beyond who come up Acorn to take advantage of the trail aren't a problem either. They are courteous, make sure where they are parking is OK, and leave the area as it was. We just had a family come up the other day to see the snow for the first time and they couldn't have been nicer. They played in the snow, picked up their stuff, and were on their way.
Those who live/weekend on the (yes, private!) street that is upper Acorn do so because of the peace, tranquility, and beauty. We don't mind sharing in reasonable doses. Please don't mistake our desire to reasonably share these qualities with others for anything other than that.
I'm sad because every time I walk or drive around my neighborhood I feel like I'm not welcome.
John,
As the snow melts I see all the trash left behind. How about asking for "No Littering/ Fine Signs" in english and spanish be periodically placed on Lone Pine and Hwy 2?
Makes one wonder what their houses must look like :o
You'd be amazed at what is left over in Big Rock after a holiday weekend.
If the road is really private then you could have anyone driving by arrested for trespassing, right? I don't blame anyone for putting up the sign to keep out rif-raf, because we all have to deal with that up here. However, the guys at the top of that street were trying to enforce it by intimidation. All we did was drive to the end of the road and turn around. It's sad to say that Wrightwood is overrun by rif-raf during snow season. The day I was up there, there was no snow. I would not be defending them for their actions that day. Although I'm sure there is a better side to them since you know them and say they are your good neighbors.
I'm sad because every time I walk or drive around my neighborhood I feel like I'm not welcome.
Then I see one of the kids peeing in the snow! It looked to me like this was no big deal to him (he was maybe 6 years old) -- he had to pee, so he peed. His parents, of course, made no effort to stop him.
Snowplayers! >:(
And, of course, you let the parents know playing, and peeing, in front of your home was not an appropriate thing to do?
The view from my office....
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and it didn't get any better throughout the day
Look at all those Adventure Passes you sold Come on those adventure passes are a joke and don't tell me most of you don't think so. I don't even think we get the money, it goes into some huge government melting pot to be spent as they see fit. And it's not in Wrightwood.
Look at all those Adventure Passes you sold Come on those adventure passes are a joke and don't tell me most of you don't think so. I don't even think we get the money, it goes into some huge government melting pot to be spent as they see fit. And it's not in Wrightwood. I have an idea, why don't they just plow the parking lots at the campgrounds that are already developed and then those that want to visit and play won't have to park in the street. And just think then the CHP won't have to waste time directing traffic and writing all those pesky tickets.
The forest around Wrightwood is totally inadequate for the demand placed on it by snow bunnies on a busy day. With Hwy 2 closed to the west, there are not enough places for people to PLAY, Park, Eat, P--P or just drive. All we currently have are 3 roads into town with one side road up to Table Mtn.
The road west of town must be opened up.
It seems Y-Sam has studied the situation and has come up with some very good questions, as well as ways to address the problems.
Why is Hwy 2 closed to the west of WW and for how long is it to be closed?
Other than the local eateries, the gas station with the "stop and rob", Jensens and a couple of other stores............how many would actually be negatively impacted by a serious reduction in out of towners? Keep in mind, this might be a very bad season when it comes to an increase in snow players, given our economy.
I was in WW on Saturday and found two cars blocking a fire hydrant on the street that t-bones into SR 2 at Chula's. I asked the snow players to please move the cars and was told to go "f" myself. Rather than stand and argue with idiots, I went to my car, got my cell phone and camera, and went back to their cars. Before I could take pictures......they came running over and moved their cars.
I thanked them and said...."now, see how easy that was?"
Why is Hwy 2 closed to the west of WW and for how long is it to be closed?
A couple of observations from my drive along Big Pines Hwy this morning...
Elk, How is BPH now? Fairly clear? Well cindered?
It was interesting to see the level of dedication these snowplayers have. The bar-b-que's and gear they bring is incredible. I was waiting to see one towing a port-O-potty but not luck... oh well! ::)
What do you mean "you wish you had an old beater"? LOL! You have 2... ;)
3 if you count the hubby.... :laugh:
now that santa claus has come to town, get ready for the ghetto coming to town with the expected fair weather. i plan on going into town early to re supply.
out of ammo?
out of ammo?That's funny Bob! Actually I meant beer, food, woman, salt.
Late yesterday afternoon (while watching the Lakers beat Boston :thumbs: ) a raised white pickup pulled into our driveway, snowboarders got out, walked into our backyard and started to put their boards on. I yelled at them that they were on private property and they asked if they could take a ride anyway. I told them no they needed to leave.
Even with the tape and posted signs??? What idiots.
That is unbelievable, John! :o Right into your private back yard! >:(
Its about time!
The amount of trash we saw on the road was saddening. :'( I love seeing the smiles on the children's faces when they are playing in the snow, but I can't stand the lack of respect and courtesy of their parents.
Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure it wasn't one of those smiling children who left that 24-oz. coffee cup laying there. >:( Holy cow, if I drank 24 oz. of coffee, I'd be awake for a week! :crazy:
now that santa claus has come to town, get ready for the ghetto coming to town with the expected fair weather. i plan on going into town early to re supply.
Wait until tomorrow! Last year Sunday was the heavy day for snowplayers. ;D
I received a PM indicating that things went very smoothly today as a result of many agencies working on correcting past problems. Hopefully it will go well tomorrow as well.
A few more afternoon shots by Wildman as they invade the Horse Canyon area. (All private property)
Here's BBQ'ing near Wildman's property:
(http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/snowplay/12.27.08GridlockCooking1.JPG)
This next one looks like more tagging taking place:
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Just curious - what happens when one of these idiots on private property gets hurt?
What to do? I Don't know. Does anybody?
Parking meters--anywhere the white fog line provides an area wide enough to allow parking. The funds should only be used for law enforcement, road maintenance and trash pick-up in our area.
I'm glad you brought this up, whitegold. My wife and I have been wondering the same thing. Every year, folks park in front of our home next to the Sheep Creek Wash at LPC and their kids crawl up into our front yard and sled down to the street. Either too lazy to walk across the street or just playing after they get back to their car. We've discussed what our liability is if one of them gets hurt.
Does anyone know what the best method is to prevent our liability (other than standing outside all day and yelling at them to get off our property)?
Regarding the taggers in the photo:
Dear photographer, if you wouldn't mind, can you please Photoshop some scope crosshairs inside the red circle around the taggers? Just a fantasy I have to pursue ;D
Three taggers...
Three rounds ...
And make sure you warn everyone with your signs:
...
Onay Espassingtray
Splayers
Actually, the snowplayers do help with the economy up here. I know Jensens tripled it's earnings just this last week compared to the week before. And my solution to the traffic on hwy 2 - slap one of those magnetic stickers on the side of your vehicle that says border patrol, make sure you also have a shirt on that says the same. Park right down in the thick of things and start walking around with a bull horn, yelling, "please have green card and papers ready". I think we as a town should do this. ;D
ROFL...gotta love it...is that legal?? :wave:
The split would be rather lopsided
Forest 1 I couldn't agree more.
Yes, but you can blur out the tagging relatively easily for tv footage. Then it's just generic tagging.
I agree that we need to get rid of it as soon as possible. I'd be willing to help.
Thanks for these pics and for the info, Toolman! What do you patrol guys do with all the trash bags? I had no idea that the road is open all the way to VG.
I'd love to donate goodies, or at least $ to purchase goodies, for the hardworking guys on the crews, cleaning up the unwanted mess in our beautiful forest. Please let us know how we can help.
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Those Camp crews do so much for the communities. I would just check with their Crew Captain to make sure it's ok to hook them up with some cookies or other goodies. It shouldn't be a problem. Those Captains have to follow strict rules from Corrections.
While waiting for a haircut/trim yesterday, the barber and I were chatting with gentleman who was in the chair. I didn't get his name, but he said he was working security at Mountain High during the ski season.
He also said that he spent 15 years as a correctional officer in the California prison system, and he NEVER had the kind of language and disrespect in the prisons, that he gets on the slopes of Mountain High.
And you believed what this guy said? Spend a day at Chino Men's.???I think the fact that we are even comparing the two makes a statement. ::)
We've decided that we'll go down off the mountain to some random neighborhood. Once there, we'll pull up in front of some random home. Then, we'll proceed to have a tailgate party from the back of the pickup. After we've littered their yard with our food trash and left the dirty diapers, we'll return to our nice mountain home. If it's sunny, we may even pull out the lawn chairs and catch some rays. Or perhaps toss a frisbee about their property.
THAT's what it feels like when I see the splayers throughout town, doing exactly what I described.
Am I to assume Wrightwood is a town full of moral, ethical and outstanding citizens?
Hey L guy- those "plastic baby bathtubs" pieces are those stupid sleds and saucers sold here in town. I HATE seeing those littering the landscape!!!!!!!!!!
These snow toys should be sold with a "CA redemption value" cost tagged on to them, then we can bring the bits and pieces back (have you ever seen one that DIDN'T break into pieces?) to the recyclying center and get PAID for picking up other's left over trash!
This ISN'T ABOUT THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN WW, this is about the PIGS and IDIOTS who come to our town and break the law, don't care about other's properties and common decency.
Do you see people come and park on your street and break out a BBQ, urinate, let their kids run wild and leave their f&*(cing trash behind? Yes...on a daily basis I find dirty diapers tossed onto my yard, baby food jars, urine on my block walls.....
Do you have days where you can't go to the store? Yes....because the traffic from the "soccer" mom's dropping their little cherubs off at school block my drive way from 8a.m. to 8:30a.m. and again from 2:50p.m. to 3:30p.m. daily.
Do you ever have to plan the times you want to go somewhere so it doesn't take you hours to go a few miles? Every single day!
I think not, so go away....... and don't try and tell members here what they should post.
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Wanting to go do things like other people but living here in WW during the splayers visits I am a prisoner in my home.
You're correct........if you want to be a prisoner in your own home, you will be.
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Gee GARY and jbartik, I hope neither of you were one of the PIGS or IDIOTS who parked on MY PRIVATE PROPERTY yesterday and today. BTW, can Angelwolf, myself and our families come down and have a picnic on your front lawn this weekend?
can Angelwolf, myself and our families come down and have a picnic on your front lawn this weekend?
The ironic thing is they pee on the outside bathroom wall.
PinonMesa..........unless you see a black 1999 Chevy Silverado in either pic you took, I guess I wasn't one you called a pig or idiot. And where do get off suggesting I would do that? I guess you haven't been following the thread all that well. Had you been you would know I don't condone such behavior, in fact I have been fairly outspoken as to what I would like to see happen to the folks who mess up private AND public property in WW.
The LEO Hummer is the SB County Sheriff vehicle in town today.
Here's your hummer. BUT WHERE IS THE LEO THAT GOES WITH THIS VEHICLE??size](http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i121/makgirl/PARKEDATTHELIBRARYJPG.jpg)Im sure it is probably a static vehicle display to scare people into thinking their is LEO presence in the town. County couldn't afford the driver because of all the budget cuts.
More pics from my little jaunt down to the bank:
Trash at Hollis park:
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I've got that beat. I spent 20 minutes bagging three bags of "overflowing" trash today at Inspiration Point. I can't complain because as least they put it next to the full trash can. I'll take pics tomorrow. ;D
Wekend or not... there are still schools out all next week!
Snowline Dist goes back, but... there are those that don't. :-\
Im sure it is probably a static vehicle display to scare people into thinking their is LEO presence in the town. County couldn't afford the driver because of all the budget cuts.
I spoke with the deputy who was driving the Hummer and he wrote a full book of tickets so he was busy.
SB County Sheriff is in town today and if you have problems with snow players or trespassing do not hesitate to call or post the issue in this topic.
The nerve of these 'people'!
Ok, climbing over the school yard fence. What the hell are they teaching their children? That it's ok to do a little trespassing in the interest of fun?
I spoke with the deputy who was driving the Hummer and he wrote a full book of tickets so he was busy.
Actually, I watched a deputy drive up in the Hummer and break up a tailgate party that some good folks were having half way into one of the lanes on Apple Ave. This was around 5pm last evening, when it was getting dark outside.
K9luvr -They will not only say no, they will laugh at the idea. They don't own it. The land in question is privately owned and has nothing to do with Caltrans or any other agency. The owner currently has plans to have it being developed as a strip mall. It is private with no hope of getting a variance/easement from Caltrans for access from Highway 2 or 138. It also will not hold any snow beyond a day or two. The idea of the County and State loading snow into trucks and hauling snow in for a "free" snow play area is not worthy of discussion. That means loaders instead of graders and that simply will never happen.Finding someone to pay for the grading of the lot after the snowfall...paying for portapotties and trash clean up is simply not in anyone's budget.
How big is your snowplay area? How was it paid for (fencing, signs, upkeep?) I still think that providing an area for snowplayers will alleviate some of the traffic and tresspassing issues. There must be some wording that an agencies legal department can provide that makes an area fully exempt from lawsuits. If the snowplayers get hurt on my property after they sled into it from the nicely sloped empty lot across the street I have issues that I don't want to deal with. Maybe I will give it a shot and write or call CalTrans officials about the 138/2 land. All they can do is say no.
"I don't know what the answers are. I still think there should be pressure put on SB CHP to close Hwy 2 once all of the legal parking is taken up along Hwy 2 and Big Pines Hwy. Then open it to those with proof of residence. I don't know what you would do for visitors to the residences...."
OMG! Do you have any idea how the business district would be effected? My goodness. Some of us make our living doing what we do! It's not a hobby! We have already had phone calls from people that were to shop with us and can't get in because they got turned away.
What Cardinal is saying is correct. I looked up the parcel info months ago when the Walmart rumors were going around.
I heard an interesting conversation at the hardware store yesterday. A girl about 12 years old came in with her family. She seemed to be translating for them. In limited English, she asked if there was a monetary fee for going "up the road." Trying to understand what she was asking, the store employee told her that there was a charge for going to the ski slopes.
Maybe she was aking about getting an "Adventure Pass". They may have wanted to purchase a day pass.
My beach street ended in a parking lot and during nice weather we were gridlocked from 8am to 6pm every Saturday and Sunday. If you wanted to get out you left before and came home after or went the wrong way on one way streets. The police were out in force, on motorcycles, bikes, horses and helicopters. There wasn't just one officer but packs of them. And even then bad things would happen. Actually all the time. The week I moved out a group of gang members climbed over the gridlock to stab another with hundreds of people watching.
And this was in the better part of that town. So I'm not thinking that we have much hope here. I agree that communication and access to information is the key for the public. Media needs to alert the public to potential situations in the mountain areas and not just emphasize the fun, happy wonderland aspects after a storm. There is a way to reroute/divert traffic to loop people out of here. Detours are happening all the time. ;) I'm afraid you can't pick and choose your visitors. But
you can round them up, and move them out. I've written lots of emails and hard mail. I hope we don't forget when the snow melts and keep working on this. I'm hoping that the powers that be will act before something really bad happens in this little town, because we have been very lucky so far.
how about snapping a few shots of the graffiti and trash left behind that "we" have to deal with. He said he thought about it but thought it would be in bad taste.
I think it's a matter of how best to get the word out to the audience concerned.
Wrightwood and Toolman,
Why not schedule the next multi-jurisdictional meeting on a holiday morning (one in Jan, Feb) or during Spring Break. This will give the representatives a first hand view of the disastrous situation in WW - that is if they can get through the traffic to make the meeting on time.
I have no problem with people wanted to enjoy the snow, but have a little consideration ~ please....
I guess my concern is about people coming up here with little knowledge of where they are going.
I would like to see people informed about road conditions, snow play areas, the best days and times to visit, etc.
I think uninformed families end up stuck in that traffic thinking "Christmas in Disneyland" is up ahead.
I think they don't know the area they're entering.
I think they're uninformed of what to expect.
I wonder where they're getting the idea that coming up Highway 2 will work for the type of family outing they want.
I think it's a matter of how best to get the word out to the audience concerned.
I really liked the idea that someone brought up earlier about sending all the people up N4 and letting them exit HWY 2 east.
I've got that beat. I spent 20 minutes bagging three bags of "overflowing" trash today at Inspiration Point. I can't complain because as least they put it next to the full trash can. I'll take pics tomorrow. ;D
I really liked the idea that someone brought up earlier about sending all the people up N4 and letting them exit HWY 2 east. This would make the traffic thru our town only one way. They could let residents up HWY 2 and LPC.
But this will never happen as they won't give us the manpower to do it.
Funny how they block roads and have detours for Speedway, they handle the massive crowds for that and it works fine.
I hope we can all remember why we live here, embrace diversity, solve issues peacefully and get back to being friendly again.
I don't know the answer, but it seems that we definitely need law enforcement to limit access so the roads will not be clogged, prevent people from blocking roadways, and ticketing/towing cars that are found in violation. It seems that all the ticketing could make a lot of money, thus paying for the added law enforcement personnel.
I'd buy a trash can and donate it..... They will need to be chained.
I don't even think showing them how to use them will even help. Maybe some of them might understand if I invited my family to their block and threw a party. Maybe next time the freeway is backed up I will just start my BBQ and get out my chair in front of their house.
It is disgusting, driving thru lower East Canyon in the Wright Mtn road area, there is alot of trash.The bottom of Wright Mt. Road looks just awful, as I came back from dropping off my kindergartner I saw Mike from the hardware store (by himself) working on this. To Mike and all the other volunteers that have addressed this problem quietly and without asking for anything,
I have lived in this area for 10 year and have NEVER seen trash on the road......
It is truly sad. I will try and go and pick some up this wkd.
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Gary you are not near this police stand off I just heard about on the news are you????
"but still go get a beach condo."
Will you share? ;D
Thank you to all who help clean up. :2thumbsup:
When I walk, I carry 2 plastic bags; one for recyclable bottles & cans and one for trash.
Then at least I get paid for clean up. ;)
Just a reminder, the FS trash cans can only be placed on FS land. For all the trash on the private land--something else would have to be done.
And Elk--I can't believe they are still having trash truck driver problems.... ::) Did they ever replace the piece of krap truck that Tim drove???
My plan is to keep a Costco-sized box of trash can liners in the car and pass them out with something like, "Welcome to Wrightwood! Enjoy the snow. Sorry we have no trash cans, so here's a bag to pack-up and take your trash home in. Have a great day!"
I feel protective and lucky to live here. I enjoy seeing others enjoying the outdoors and snow, especially the kids. A brief, personal, kind exchange can go a long way. Let's try it!
my question is where are these thousands of people going to the bathroom?
When I was a little girl my teacher taught us that when in nature "take nothing but pictures and leave nothing but footprints".
Not to just pick on the kids... The adults are out there littering as well. With the adults setting the example, why would we expect their kids to anything different?
We have a situation here in NM where we have 3 areas that are VERY DANGEROUS to sled on. If you miss the snowplayer eating trees, you go on to the highway.... Big HUGE sign that says "NO SLEDDING. We have to chase out FAMILIES because the parents go up there with the kids and they all sled there! I feel like telling the parents--"when your (now) 8 year old becomes 16 and runs off with the car keys and says **** YOU!, remember where he/she learned to defy authority!"
We have a lot of internal discussions about the dumbing down of the population because we have to save people from themselves... :-X
Today I visited the Arches Picnic Area right next to MTHigh West.
Snowplayers have torn down the Forest Service Picnic Area sign to use as a sled.
Today I visited the Arches Picnic Area right next to MTHigh West.
Snowplayers have torn down the Forest Service Picnic Area sign to use as a sled.
Unfortunately, I have seen this before. In the time I have spent living out here by Jackson Lake in the "Forest" I have seen some strange and unique sled substitutes.
Here is a few off the top of my head...
Anybody else have any good ones?
Believe me, if I couldn't be personally sued over this, I would let nature remove those stupid genes from the population.... ::)
We have a lot of internal discussions about the dumbing down of the population because we have to save people from themselves... :-X
Anybody else have any good ones?
It is disgusting, driving thru lower East Canyon in the Wright Mtn road area, there is alot of trash.
I have lived in this area for 10 year and have NEVER seen trash on the road......
It is truly sad. I will try and go and pick some up this wkd.
I've been having a really hard time coming to terms with this philosophically. Sometimes I think I should go out and do this. Othertimes I think, why should I pick up the trash these other people leave all over and let everyone think that it just magically disappears? Why should I be responsible for others lack of responsibility? ???
I was just told by a local merchant that they have poopy diapers put in their recycle bin/trash can at their place of business.I hope they were not complaining, I would have guessed they would have left them on the door step or parking lot.
Hard to believe (maybe not).
I saw someone sledding on a lid to the Menudo pot.No, wrong, it was a lid to the tamale steamer
QUESTION:
Is anyone from the MAC going to contact the SBCo Sheriff's Dept to ask about the feasibility of having reserve deputies patrol WW ( year around) as part of their
required training?
We are about to inaugurate one of this nations worst disasters in history
I feel everyone's pain here. I used to work at Big Pines & am so grateful I moved to Northern Idaho & DO NOT have to endure this nightmare everyone speaks of. It will NEVER get better. I have watched it for over 10 years when I was there it just is NOT gonna happen.
Here in No. Idaho the forest I work on we don't have any snowplay areas nor do we have snowplayers. There is enough snow so folks play at their own houses... thank goodness! It was weird the first snow season I experienced... everything was so incredibly beautiful... no ghetto snow... no litter... no dumb a$$e$ tryin to get run over... or a free ride on a helicopter.... no traffic etc.
Goodluck Wrightwood Folks I think of you all often but I am afraid you need a magic wand or a miracle. I hope that somehow things turn around for you... but somehow I doubt it :(
Just trying to find the "silver lining". ;D
We are about to inaugurate one of this nations worst disasters in history
Let's keep to the topic and not your slant on life !
It was common knowledge that if you were a full time res you were treated differently than a part timer ot flatlander.
Interesting. How so?
The silver lining is probably the snowpack. We need the water!
Interesting. How so?
Moving away is the only solution that I can think of to get away from the mess of people and ghetto and snowplayers. Going up to the north-- as soon as hubby retires.
tick, tock, tick tock....
9 more years!
Let's see.....an open fire, in an area suspecptable to wildfires (although there is a nice snow covering at present)...who to call..........hmmmm....fire department??
Hey Ma! Come Quick! You are not going to believe this. A forest fire has been started in the midst of our snow storm by some side of the road guy BBQing! ::)
::) It's still illegal, whether it is presently dangerous or not.
I agree that the FD should have been called because it's illegal. But so is littering, and illegal parking, and trespassing etc..... That to me is causing actual damage to our town. :-\
Lighten up.
WW is not a park where you pay admission and then people clean up after you when you leave!!!
I just don't make it a point to constantly complain.
Get serious. (Seriously.) I take it that you haven't had splayers use your yard for a bathroom (1 & 2), leave their diapers, use your bbq and back yard as their one, etc., etc.? Not to mention using your yard for sleds & boards (guess who's going to get sued if they get hurt on your property?)
Now this is a stretch.....you look out your window and see strangers playing in your yard, one of them has fired up YOUR bar-b-q and is cooking up some carnitas.....and over by one of your trees Chuy is taking his morning sit down, which he leaves when finishing. Did you do anything, like go out and run them off? Call the Sheriff's Dept?? Call a neighbor to ask him/her to come over to "back you up"? Hose them down with ice water from a garden hose?
What did you do when you found this happening on your property???
...From what was mentioned here, authorities have been called on numerous occasions and they were too busy to make it up or just couldn't cuz the roads were blocked.
Now that is stret c h i n g it. If you move by an airport you are going to hear planes. duh
Now that is stret c h i n g it. If you move by an airport you are going to hear planes. duh
Just because you livei n the mtns does not mean you should have to deal with all the crap mentioned.
It has never happened to me but I don't live on the main path, thank goodness.
Complaining, whining, no this is a discussion forum and we are discussing it.
As mentioned before other mtn towns don't have these issues.... because they have law enforcement.
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Did you really think it was meant literally? Yes, why would I think otherwise? Perhaps I am not as wise, or as educated as you. I have yet to learn how read "inflection" in another's writing. All of the things mentioned have happened indivually around town on seperate occasions. A point was being made by lumping them all together.How do you know this? Have you been told, or is it an assumption? From what was mentioned here, authorities have been called on numerous occasions and they were too busy to make it up or just couldn't cuz the roads were blocked.
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Those people have a right to break laws and block roads because the snow belongs to everyone.
ChattyCathy,
My advice would be to tread lightly when criticizing splayers. I was recently chastised a page or two back for doing just that. ::)
We have been advised to take a kindly approach with these people who merely want to enjoy your yard. For instance, this morning when I drove over to Jensen's, and saw about 20 cars illegally parked along Highway 2 heading into the village, I recalled the sage advise give to us by J'COM a few days ago. Those people have a right to break laws and block roads because the snow belongs to everyone.
One woman in short jacket and snow boots, wearing PJ bottoms...
"...so I looked out the window, and indeed, there was a car in my driveway, with a young couple standing in front of the driver side door, passionately "making out".
Wow, what happened to the hearty fun loving hard working mountain people that prayed for snow and all that it brought with it.
When you live in a tourist town you do have to deal with tourists! Laguna Beach was sometimes a nightmare in the Summer. More issues with traffic than anything. Laguna and other small communitites I have been involved with or have had the pleasure to visit usually have SIGNS. Signs that the chamber usually puts together maybe along with the city officials. Signs that read something like "we love having you in our small quaint clean village, please keep it that way" "Place your trash in the provided receptacles". You know those trash cans you see everywhere to put the trash in when you visit some other towns. Where are our signs and where are the trash cans??? I know they should know better but it seems to work in other towns.
They're still here, at least in my house! I dearly love the snow, I just don't like digging out my berm. That's all.
Today a bunch of cars were using the wash to cut around the traffic jam on Hwy 2. Really fun to walk the dog and dodge cars at the same time!
RW,
I wonder what the response time is for an accident with traffic like this....
Do you have an idea?
RW,
I wonder what the response time is for an accident with traffic like this....
Do you have an idea?
It seems that people from down the hill cannot read.
No parking signs are posted but, the un-educated flatlanders seem to think it says free parking.
If we had 300 LEOs issuing parking tickets city/county/state revenues would increase substantually.
Thank you Toolman and RW for the great information!
I have had good experiences so far this year with happy visitors who have come into Jensen's. And I am so grateful for the upturn for local businesses! Many of the families who have visited so far do want to give their children a positive experience in the snowy mountains. I do my best to inform our visiting friends about the need that they buy Adventure Pass and follow the rules (including using public and not private property) to keep everyone safe. I hope Toolman and all other officials have a safe and happy experience this week-end!
What is a NNC?
What are 300 LEO'S?
And Surferdude is allowed to scream aloud more loudly than Chuck....
We were just told by someone that today is "Furlough Friday", so there would be no snowplows. Is there any truth to this?
Why did KFI broadcast that "all the mountains are closed today except to local residents" if they are letting everyone come up here anyway? Weird.They closed Hwy 18 and 330 on the Big Bear side to residents only because of the crowds that were impeding the snowplows ability to even begin to clear the streets. They also have R3 restrictions which means everyone has chains...including 4X4's.
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They closed Hwy 18 and 330 on the Big Bear side to residents only because of the crowds that were impeding the snowplows ability to even begin to clear the streets.
I drove on Apple between Pine and Spruce and couldn't believe the amount of people parked there and dragging their kids on sleds in the dirty snow. Thank goodness that street is wide and passible with vehicles right next to all these people opening and shutting doors.
Did Nolena get any good pictures of a driveway diaper change? ;)
Just got back from walking to the post office and the town and businesses are booming. I am betting the local proprietors are pretty happy today.
Did Nolena get any good pictures of a driveway diaper change? ;)
Just got back from walking to the post office and the town and businesses are booming. I am betting the local proprietors are pretty happy today.
(Why do I sense that the members of the Board of Supervisors and Caltran supervisors have comp season tickets to Mt. High... This is, after all, San Bernardino County, and payoffs or other bribes aren't unheard of here. Just a thought!)
A slanderous thought!Libelous you mean...What are the damages Chuck?
I think we are all on board with this...We need a show of strength at the next MAC meeting when CHP and other entities that could actually help this situation attend.
What I do know is that this situation is without logic and someone is responsible.
LA Times has a photo of the gridlock on their website with the article, "A perfect day for snow sports turns into a traffic nightmare."
Bob is agonna win, but Bob cheats!!!
That's a nice story. Here is another one. Where do all the good folks who come up to play in the snow with their cute kids and dogs go to the bathroom? It's one of those things that no one wants to talk about. Just one example...this weekend there were several thousand folks at Hwy 2 and 138 playing both days and not one bathroom. They played, they drank and they ate....they had some great family time. It's hard not to be disgusted when you walk anywhere these folks were playing in the spring and see the human waste and assorted byproducts left behind(the cold weather does a great job of preserving things). Watching this activity this weekend (all good families, I'm sure) made we realize just how that my little piece of heaven is rapidly being contaminated with snow players human waste. Extrapolate the human waste over a 2 month snow season (8 weekends if we keep getting snow) and the amount is staggering in just one location. My wake up is that nothing will probably ever be done (CalTrans, CHP and the County choose to ignore it) and it will only get worse as the word gets out about the great place to play in the snow.
This family was in town so I imagine they were using the facilities in town....
Maybe because they are a "city" they have more control over their area? Wouldn't it give them more power to bring to the equation? Wrightwood is just "unincorporated" County we don't bring any power at all. We try really hard with the meetings that go on through the Fire Safe Council, but when insanity ensues like this weekend, resources are strained to breaking.
Question??? Would becoming a CSD (Community Services District) like Phelan and Pinon Hills give us any more control over our environment? It is clear we are going to have to become even more pro-active, as it now appears this is not a problem that will do anything but become worse each year.
A city cannot make decisions like this. As the notice says, it was signed by the Governor and the SB Board of Supervisors Chairman. As much as we have a problem, they had a bigger problem. Our Supervisor lives in Wrightwood. The Phelan Pinon Hills CSD has limited funds and needs the county for same services as we get. I see no higher influence on county services.
Big Bear often gets pounded with more and heavier snow than Wrightwood because they are on the south/west side of the mountains. I have read of roofs caving in in Big Bear.
Regarding hatred of snow players, we don't hate snow players. We do not like inconsiderate people, dangerous driving, diapers everywhere, blocking roads, drinking while driving....... It's the actions of some we don't like. That should be the message to children, be respectful of other people, enjoy the snow, but be responsible and considerate to others as you play.
The redeeming hope is that all of our merchants have had a banner weekend which would make the strain bearable.
Yes... once you dig out... you either can't get out or deal with trying to get back in without being hit. The entertainment almost makes it worth it. Countless hours have been enjoyed sipping hot coffee whatching the carnage. First couple years I spent pulling stuck vehicles out but I finally wised up and now just toss a shovel over the fence now and again.
The conversation has come up to build bleachers, invite the neighbors over and hold up score cards ;D
Yes... once you dig out... you either can't get out or deal with trying to get back in without being hit. The entertainment almost makes it worth it. Countless hours have been enjoyed sipping hot coffee whatching the carnage. First couple years I spent pulling stuck vehicles out but I finally wised up and now just toss a shovel over the fence now and again.
The conversation has come up to build bleachers, invite the neighbors over and hold up score cards ;D
The officer was able to take control of the situation. But, if the situation had gotten out of control, it would have been difficult for backup officers to respond. Traffic was totally stopped in both directions.
Mtn. Grizzly, You missed a major difference between WW and Mammoth. That is that WW is a one hour drive from LA and it's surrounding areas. If the problem was only people heading to Mt. High, I don't think there would be a problem. It is all of the car loads of people just out to play in the snow for the day with no real destination. So while Mt. High may have >400,000 visitors per year, it is the other 400,000 that create the bulk of the craziness. Why would Mt. High shuttle them anywhere? They are not going to buy a lift ticket. Maybe they could charge $5.00 per person to shuttle snow players, but I personally have a family of 6, that just turned my free day of fun into costing me $30.00, not likely to happen.
It is too bad there is no place to put an actual snow play park with a (disneyland sized) parking lot. I know there would be many reasons this would not work (liability, cost, available land and so on), but that is the solution I could see working, actually giving them somewhere legitimate to go. Oh yeah and I forgot one of the most important reasons this would not work it is the same as the shuttle idea, this is a free activity and people are not going to pay for it.
Well, luckily you were helping poor motorists years ago when I first came to Wrightwood and didn't know not to slam on my brakes when sliding. That's when I met you and LM.I remember, too, Cathy! You were our first new friend in WW, not including the neighbors.
I'd put my money on the officer. They are highly trained for exactly those types of situations. I also believe he would have had scores of good citizens come to his aid and help him in subduing and apprehending the jerk, if he needed it.
Yesterday east of Sheep Creek, no room to drive in your lane, everyone had to drive in the center of Hwy 2
At the end of my 2hr 50min drive up from Hwy 138 last Sunday, The CHP was announcing over the loudspeaker that "The Resort is full, there is no parking up the road" -- Only 1 out of ten cars turned around and went back downhill.
I don't know why the rest of them continued on or where they thought they were going. Just farther up to Cardinal and get turned around there instead.
Pete, people will come Pete. They'll come to Wrightwood for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. Of course, we won't mind if you look around, you'll say. It's only $20 per person. They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the snowbanks; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along Highway 2, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the fun and games and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Pete. The one constant through all the years, Pete, has been snowplay. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But snowplay has marked the time. This roadside, this snowplay: it's a part of our past, Pete. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... people will come Pete. People will most definitely come
You gotta love it when they park in your driveway, get stuck and then ask to use the bathroom!My point has been made right here....
Move the waste of our tax money Cal-trans sign near Mt. High and place it at the 138/2 intersection, where it should have gone in the first place.
The CMS (changeable message sign) does seems to be a waste of money and is an eyesore in the Big Pines Historical area. The problem is that sign was installed as part of a safety project due to the large number of motorcycle accidents on Angels Crest Hwy and has nothing to do with Hwy 2 traffic or congestion.
The problem is that sign was installed as part of a safety project due to the large number of motorcycle accidents on Angels Crest Hwy and has nothing to do with Hwy 2 traffic or congestion.
I would sure like to see, like someone posted earlier on this site, have Lone Pine be open for residents only on these hectic weekends.
I think I understand what Project Nova is trying to say. Often times you cant post anything on here without being attacked. Quite frankly, I have more respect fore someone who admits breaking the law than a bunch of people who act as if they never do anything wrong. You would think with all the perfect drivers and law abiding citizens in this town that I shouldn't see people rolling through stop sings every day or passing illegally on Lone Pine....but I do. They have free will and will do as they please.Since this was directed at me, I guess I'll answer with a few comments since I think that there has been a misunderstanding.
It is unfair that we pay a bunch of taxes and are forced to wait in ridiculous lines to get to our homes. So maybe instead of wasting page after page on personal attacks we could focus on the issue at hand. The fact that our roads are dangerously congested!
Uh... trust me I'm not an elitist. My posts don't get deleted. I don't know Chuck personally but you called him old and bitter, I can't imagine why you don't think that's name calling.
But wait -- only a few more days before the next weekend invasion!
Do you think it will be as bad? I hope not.
I'm with you, Sage. When I do go out on a Saturday it's usually an event down the hill, where I go early and come back late. That means I'm always going opposite the snow traffic. But if I just have to run down for an hour or two that means I'll hit traffic one way or another. So no thanks -- I'll get my errands done by this Friday and stay home this weekend by the fire.
P.S. Luckily I can take side streets to drive to church, or can walk if I have to. Half of the church members walked there last Sunday! (Methodist Church.)
All right, I'm losing my mind. I replied to a message that has disappeared.
Let's hope for flatlanders coming to WW who respect nature and don't leave their trash, respect the law by not illegally parking and driving, and spend a lot of money in town!
Best pictures yet that illustrate why I didn't attempt leave town this weekend.
Where are the tow trucks? Looks like major ticket revenue. Anyway, can we write our own tickets and keep the money for a town party at the end of snow season? Bet it won't be that expensive to print up some nice official looking ones ;D
I wasn't able to go last week due to snow issues at home. I did drive by and saw maybe 12 cars. I ran into ForestGal walking, didn't hit her but offered her a ride. There was a lot of snow blocking parking.
All right, I'm losing my mind. I replied to a message that has disappeared.
Sorry I went off on a rant... Even Moderators have their posts deleted... ;D
...and I thought there was a budget crisis....towing and writing tickets in that insanity is like shooting fish in a barrel! But if the county/state won't get on this treasure trove of CASH, we should! I am all for that party!
What the big deal about the lic plates being readable?
Are we liable and could possibly be sued if we post a video displaying someone's lic. plate?
My inclination was that it wouldn't be a problem, but I was just erring on the safe side. I'll post the video tonight unless I hear any advise to the contrary.
Sorry I went off on a rant... Even Moderators have their posts deleted... As Nolena indicated, if you can't be nice, nobody is safe from the delete button. ;D
P.S., I'm glad you didn't hit ForestGal. ;)
I emailed the supervisor about the problem, but got no response...
I though of "Pet Snow" too. It made the rock guy a millionaire.
There might be less people than we thought. Traffic is only backed up to the levels right now at 9:23. Still bumper to bumper in town.
I got smart and went to Jensens last night. There was already plenty of traffic coming down the mountain. I'm not venturing anywhere by car today although I'll take the poor dog for a walk. ("Poor" because we haven't been taking our daily walk for a week -- too slippery out there!)
Yea, I was going to mention the same thing...I never go out without them this time of year and you can drive in them as well. http://www.rei.com/product/760281
Looks like I picked a good weekend to get sick :-\
Took me 1/2 hour to get to Mt High this morning from Spruce. I left at 7:30 am.
The County (or somebody) should really put in some portable restrroms up here on these snowplayer days. This is 3rd world stuff, having people relieving themselves on the side of the highway. I thought I saw a bunch of them a few years back.
Oh, but who will work with RobertW and bring us back funny stories?
Saw a guy writing tix...for the USFS I didn't readily recognize.
Not a bad idea! We willl check and see who the appropriate ones should be, and where they could go. It's really a health and safety issue. I'm thinking the forest service.
I cannot even imagine the "thinking" that goes into that one. Yeah, it's hysterically funny to knock over a port-a-potty.... uh... *shakes head*
Not a bad idea! We willl check and see who the appropriate ones should be, and where they could go. It's really a health and safety issue. I'm thinking the forest service.
Come on, everyone knows that knocking over a portapotty is only funny when some one is inside using it. ;)
and where they could go. It's really a health and safety issue.
There are no legal places to snow play between Hwy 138 & Hwy 2 so why would you put out porta potties and encourage the activity. Snow play areas are beyond Mt High and in the Big Pines area.
So are there "legal" places to play between Hwy 2 and Big Pines?
A Few years back, during a heavy snowplayer year, I remember portables being in town, 2 by Mt Hardware/Bakery, 2 at Jensens, 2 between the Banks, & even 2
in the Mini-Mart parking lot. I don't remember any complaints, in fact I recall that They were a huge success for all.
I know the merchants were relieved and even though they weren't in the turnouts and down at the levels, I'm sure it gave those players an option.
If someone is writing hundreds of NNC's a weekend; then that is thousands of dollars that should be used locally.
It is, and thank you for your support ;)
http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php?topic=15125.0
Just as a side note, NOT ONE snowplayer, out of the hundreds upon hundreds we talked to today, had a problem with paying the $5 for an Adventure Pass. It appeared 50% of the vehicles already HAD Adventure Passes. Some individuals would proudly point to their Passes, clearly excited that they were following the rules of the forest. In my experience it is usually only some Wrightwood Locals who give us Volunteers a problem about the Adventure Pass or as many prefer, the "Rip Off" pass.
It was so nice to see someone left us a lazy boy chair on hwy 2 for us to look at till some one can pick it up for them. Wonder if they tried to sled down the hill with it!???Someone must have stole the one off my front porch again. Darn snowplayers! No class I tell' ya!;)
People who drive pass the chain control sign without chaining up should be cited.
His reply, "I didn't come up here to right parking tickets all day, you go right your adventure pass citations and let me do my job." I almost left him there to deal with the traffic control himself (his job) but that's not what I was sworn to do. :brickwall: The only thanks I got was from the tow truck driver.
Why must they allow so many cars up highway 2 when there is nowhere for them to go once the mountain is full to capacity? And why can't they turn cars around at Hwy 138 where there is room to turn around? Unless they are Wrightwood residents don't allow so many cars up here. When so many cars leave town, then allow more up...yes its more man-power for the CHP but in the case of an emergency it seems like it would make sense. Something has got to be done....
A number of recent posts have been merged into this topic as they all deal with gridlock issues.
SR2 is a State Hwy and the CHP can not "shut down" the Hwy completely for more than 30 minutes,as with any State Hwy or Frwy without submitting an emergency request to Sacramento and waiting for approval. By rerouting or turning vehicles around isn't the same as a hard closure is it?... you tell me. :P
We've been through this topic before and I've suggested resident and family windshield passes for these occasions. This isn't that hard to control without proper management and implement the plan. I feel the pain of our residents that have to get to work or make important meetings, Dr's appt's and so on and that should be the focus as well as emergency responders.
Went down to Phelan traffic was bumper to bumper down Hwy2 to 138 came back up Lonepine
It looks like the snow players trash the fence at the school so they can get in. I hope that all the damage they did. You would think the school would hired a security guard during these crazy times. >:(
Lone Pine Canyon Rd at the Sheep Creek wash is anticipated to be open by 5pm 12-30-10 according to SB County Public Works.
Lone Pine Canyon Rd at the Sheep Creek wash is anticipated to be open by 5pm 12-30-10 according to SB County Public Works.
It would be much cheaper and more entertaining to apply electricity to the fence....
Hey, how come the gates aren't opened?
I remember locking/unlocking them over Thanksgiving break a couple of years ago. Do we need volunteers to do this again, or are they to stay locked....
Sorry, off topic. Fearing the wrath of Anglewolf lol!
Both sides of Hwy. 2 were full of parked cars and the "NO parking at any time" signs were knocked over.
How about parking at 2 & 138 and shuttling people to snow play areas?
How about collecting fees for parking?
I guess we have to wait for someone to get killed on Hwy.2 before anything changes.
Sadly, I think you are correct, Hummingbird. I know in suburbia and urban fringe areas, that's how the system works. But then again, cities make those changes, and their bureaucratic machines tend to be smaller and more efficient. . .
What I am afraid of is that since the 330 is shut down right now due to basically the road giving way to the mountain, it will bring more people over to this side. It would not be so bad if the people would help the local economy, take their trash when they leave, and respect other peoples property. However this does not happen, and these pictures prove it.
Why doesn't the SBCSD run Citizen Patrol throughout the town issuing citations for such things.
Well, this is also a first; L.A. County Sheriff's have a truck driving though the neighborhood now telling everyone they are trespassing on private property!
This might be a stupid question, but if they can close Baldy....why can't they close Hwy 2?
After my husband got all the insurance info, etc. the guy had the nerve to ask my husband where he might snow play!!! Argggg!!
Sounds good to me.Baldy has less people than us by far, but they are fortunate enough not to live on a state highway so their road can be closed. My mom lives in Baldy and they simply close the roads and require resident ID to get through.
Its not just the risk to residents either. Everyone up here is at risk. I guess 4,000 don't matter much to people who make the decisions, but surely a few thousand more help tip the scales?
This is out of control..... Town meeting time if you ask me. We need some help.....Anyone else want to attend a meeting?
My hubby and I joke about how people should take down license plate numbers of people trespassing and bbqing on peoples' driveways, hire a PI to get their addresses, and then show up on their lawns w/chairs, bbq's and kiddie pools when it gets hot. . .
I came home yesterday and saw some people sledding in a vacant lot. They had their car parked right in the road with the hazard lights flashing. I had to wait for a few cars to go by until I could pass. The house next to them is owned by the lady who got lost on her hike a few weeks back.I heard there was a Sheriff sub-station up here at one time. At the very least, it is obviously necessary during heavy snow-player days--weekends and holidays. (Party Hearty/Hardy season of summer would be nice, too. . .) Some peoples' disregard for property is insane. That it is permitted to happen is equally insane.
Any-who, then I noticed two of the men leaning over her 4' "property" wall sifting through her stuff on her porch. I did another drive by and got their attention and they went back to sledding.
Some of these people have no respect.... and if you think they "just don't know any better" you need to think again....
. . . and the car hasn't been towed today because. . . ? (I can understand how busy they were yesterday, not to mention traffic. But Today?!)
I came home yesterday and saw some people sledding in a vacant lot. They had their car parked right in the road with the hazard lights flashing. I had to wait for a few cars to go by until I could pass. The house next to them is owned by the lady who got lost on her hike a few weeks back.
Any-who, then I noticed two of the men leaning over her 4' "property" wall sifting through her stuff on her porch. I did another drive by and got their attention and they went back to sledding.
Some of these people have no respect.... and if you think they "just don't know any better" you need to think again....
This is a resort community in Angeles National Forest where families vacation. This is no secret. Everyone needs to chill out and adopt a better attitude. Respect goes a long way on both sides.
I know it's a mess up there and that's why I decided to not go to WW for New Years for the weekend. BUT how can you tell people not to go up there and enjoy the snow while a lot of WW people work and shop down the hill. It would be like the people living down the hill tell you hey don't come down here and work, these jobs are for the people who live down here, so go back up the hill and work there.
Just a different point of view and we've had our cabin up there for 50 + years and there were'nt that many cabins or houses back then
Happy New Years
I don't mind people wanting to play in the snow. When my kids come up, we go up past Mtn High up past the top and have a spot we love. We put up our Adventure pass and have a great time sliding. We do not go to people's yards and trespass, we enjoy the forest and do not leave trash. If everyone that comes up here to enjoy the snow acted like that I would RESPECT them. I will not respect the POS idiots that break the law by trespassing and leaving their trash and clog up our roads by getting stuck and just being idiots by acting like they have rights to do the stupid things they do, just because they are in the forest. They need to get their chains on their cars to make it to the good places to play in the snow. Our neighborhoods are not a place for them to feel they have the RIGHT to go to and settle in for the day nor are the roads getting into our neighborhoods..
With all due respect esprit....my family has lived on this mounain for over 30 years, and I have no problem with those using the forest for it's intended purpose...camping, fishing, hiking, snowboarding, skiing. What has gone on this last week is not use, it is abuse. And respect is only good if, in fact, it goes both ways. The behavior I have witnessed in the last week, is in no way respectful of those of us that make Wrightwood our home.
Mountain High Resort has hired 2 CHP officers for both weekend days to help with traffic flow and illegal parking. Mountain High Resort will be using our portable message sign and street level banners to convey our parking and ticket status to the general public.
THANK YOU Mountain High - this is a positive step in the right direction! You obviously heard our desperation, and are attempting to help control the situation. Three cheers :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:
Yes we will be stuck, all weekend. Time to stock up tonite on food, wine and treats. It sucks that WE the residents can't even go out to enjoy our forest as it would take hours to go up to the beautiful spots.
It might also be good to get some caution tape in case you need to block off your yard.
They most effective organization on the planet at managing traffic/crowd control: Disneyland! We ought to hire the people in charge over there and see what they come up with!!!
sailorgirl. Two hours is a very optimistic estimate. Years ago I made a mistake of leaving town early in the morning and coming home in the afternoon. It was still light outside and snowplayers were everywhere I decided to stay off the 138 as much as possible. It took me 2 HOURS to get from Beekley to the 2. People were parked on the side of the road and running with their kids on the 138. I guess it was safe enough, traffic certainly wasn't moving.
I know this may come to a shock to some readers here, but I will say this anyway. Officers on patrol are trained to asses situations as they see the facts before them.
CHP notified us they will have two full time units here in town plus Volunteer units (that are very effective). The Sheriff Department will have units up here also working along with CHP on the same issues. We have asked them to ticket people. Loudspeakers will be used early as they did last year with success.
Early response is critical. If you have issues that don't look like they are being seen, call CHP and SB Sheriff. We have a great communications group up here. Let one of them know or post something right away on the Forum.
As mentioned earlier Mountain High has CHP units working the west side (LA County side).
Our issues have reached the highest levels of CHP, SB Sheriff & SB County Supervisor's office.
This question may have been addressed but what if there is an emergency requiring medical or fire assistance that has to come up hwy 2 or medical that has to be evac'd via ambulance down 2...how are these emergency vehicles to make it up and down the road with all the illegal parked cars?
Good question. The issue has been with us for a while. In the 34 years I spent with SB County Fire Department, a majority of it right here in Wrightwood, we have never not gotten to the scene of an incident because of traffic. We might have been slowed but we always got there. My first time as the attendant in the back of the Wrightwood ambulance was in 1972 and was a code three run all the way to SB Community Hospital. It was a snow weekend and we had cars double parked along both highways all the way to the freeway. Assistant Chief Steve Damon put the old Suburban on the center line and made lots of noise.
Sometimes it takes a lot longer but we always have gotten through. In recent years, there were extra CHP officers hired by the Mountain near the ski areas and they would hold traffic in one direction so we could get by easier. If a patient is very serious, the patient would be flown out by medical helicopter. The fire department uses the old CALTRANS yard which is close, and provides a safe landing zone environment behind a locked gate.
The crowd situation is tough for emergency services to deal with but I would offer it's no tougher then trying to get around when we get a continuous dump of snow and roads have not been cleared yet. Station 14 will always get there but it might be a slower response due to being in the snowcat ...driving with chains or people stuck in the snow. They have the right equipment to deal with the snow and the training and patience to deal with the crowds.
also will add the the air ambulances to and from mtn high takes some of the burden off the ground responce
I don't think that's correct as it takes more ground units to package and transport the victim plus have another unit at the LZ (landing zone) to direct air traffic. So it actually takes more resources.
I don't think that's correct as it takes more ground units to package and transport the victim plus have another unit at the LZ (landing zone) to direct air traffic. So it actually takes more resources.
If you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care if someone takes a picture?
If you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care if someone takes a picture?so funny.
I still think that using '2-3 hr' instead of 'expect' delays would help quite a bit. Feeling fortunate that I don't have to head down the hill on the weekends.
A big thank you to all the law enforcement agencies working to keep Wrightwood safe!
using '2-3 hr' instead of 'expect' delays would help quite a bit
I was out yesterday and tuned to KNX 1070. Whenever they reported on local traffic, they would report that there were major delays in Wrightwood.
Oooh. I haven't touched one of those for the last ten years. Maybe my neighbor across the street. She has a baby and she'll be glad to loan me some. I think of all the dirty nasty things people leave, that's one of the worst. Those and cigarette butts.
I just HAD to make this post. It's #4000!!!
all this talk about the garbage, diapers etc these people leave behind reminds me of how my family dealt with renters when I was a teen. Some left tons of, you name it, beer bottles, diapers, trash, couches, refrigerators, what ever. We had dump trucks... so my brother and I would load all their crap up, (I mean we raked and swept it all up!) found out where they moved to, drove over in the middle of the night, backed up over the curb and dumped all of it on their front porch/lawn and drove away!!!... not that I'm trying to suggest anything... ;D just sharing the good ol days...sharing is caring right?
Amen, Stitches! As disgusting as cigarettes and their remains are, at least you can't contract E. Coli from them. ::)
I haven't touched a dirty diaper since I baby sat when I was in high school, and that's recent enough for me. Bleah! And to think that folks think it's OK to just leave them in our forest. :P
This weekend seemed a lot better than was predicted, traffic-wise. We'll see what happens next week, for the 3 day weekend.
Congrats on #4000, Stitches! I hit 5K a little while ago - gee, maybe we like this forum? :)
Watching the Mt Hardware camera right now it's amazing on the volume of traffic headed eastbound on Hwy 2. There's thousands of cars going by and no gridlock because of the early proactive presence of law enforcement this weekend.
I'd hate like heck to think what a stop sign will do!
Let's just be thankful that CALTRANS doesn't have the stop sign at Hwy 2 & Willow yet.
The issue has been with us for a while. In the 34 years I spent with SB County Fire Department, a majority of it right here in Wrightwood, we have never not gotten to the scene of an incident because of traffic. We might have been slowed but we always got there. My first time as the attendant in the back of the Wrightwood ambulance was in 1972 and was a code three run all the way to SB Community Hospital. It was a snow weekend and we had cars double parked along both highways all the way to the freeway. Assistant Chief Steve Damon put the old Suburban on the center line and made lots of noise.
Maybe someone can get the news agencies to report that all of the snow has melted. ;D
Posting for a friend - bumper sticker or sign?
"At the Property Owners meeting the subject of the various problems we have with snow players and possible approaches to solutions were discussed. I remember a decal I saw on a car when I first moved here and it said something like - 'Please respect our town; I live here' or something like that. Can you post it on the forum and see if anyone in town remembers exactly what it said?
The thought/hope is that we need to remind people that for some this is our home and not just a weekend getaway. Don't know what good it will do, but doing nothing is unacceptable."
Anyone remember that saying she's trying to find? Thanks.
Do CHP officers write tickets for parking w/o Adventure Pass? Or is that just a job for the Forest Service?
My husband and I have a complaint. Yesterday he was running up Hwy 2 from our home and he noticed none of the cars parked all the way up to inspiration point had adventure passes. He only saw 3 out of 50 cars with adventure passes. (He started counting!) As he was running a highway patrol was pulled to the side talking to a snowplayer. The snowplayer was asking if he needed to purchase an adventure pass. The highway patrol said No, there's too many people so they're not checking!
Do CHP officers write tickets for parking w/o Adventure Pass? Or is that just a job for the Forest Service?
Posting for a friend - bumper sticker or sign?
"At the Property Owners meeting the subject of the various problems we have with snow players and possible approaches to solutions were discussed. I remember a decal I saw on a car when I first moved here and it said something like - 'Please respect our town; I live here' or something like that. Can you post it on the forum and see if anyone in town remembers exactly what it said?
The thought/hope is that we need to remind people that for some this is our home and not just a weekend getaway. Don't know what good it will do, but doing nothing is unacceptable."
Anyone remember that saying she's trying to find? Thanks.
(http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/misc/Be.Nice.We.Live.Here.JPG)
Wouldn't k-rail or gaurdrail solve much of this problem on the highway itself?
It was stupid out there today >:( Where was CHP? down to one lane could not get the emergency vehicles by all the double and trippled parked cars. Whats is it going to take to make chp do there jobs and tow these idiots?
I found this 1/2 buried in the snow on my way int town. Dragged it to a dumpster. Looked like more household waste than snow player garbage. Must have been at least 25 pounds. :P
Just ran off the first carload of trespassing - snow players.
A couple of years ago one of them actually knocked on our back bedroom door and asked if they could use our swing. Another asked where our property started. I told them on our side of the fence. Seriously?
... the size of a hoe but the blade is flat. Really great for getting under the ice. ...
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What they didn't know was the bottom portion and some of the sides had very large boulders barely beneath the snow.
Growing up in South Laguna, the summer traffic from the art festivals has always been pretty much like our snowplayer traffic up here. Only difference is that most don't pull into your driveway and start playing in your yard. :-)
That is the operative question.
The other is, will the Sheriff be up here tomorrow, which appears to be Saturday?
If there is no presence from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, it will be a free for all up here this weekend.
Do we need vigilantes?
Word on Facebook is that a Mt. High employee was hit by a car purposely twice when the person was told the lot was full. He apparently was standing afterwards and his mother-in-law said he was at the hospital being X-rayed. So beware of the disgruntled splayers!
Here's some additional previous examples:
(http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/snowplay/Mountaineer.jpg)
(http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/snowplay/DesertFront.jpg)
(http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/snowplay/12.27.08Gridlock1.JPG)
Any guesses on how long it will take for someone to knock down the new Stop sign in the post office parking lot?
(hint... look at the condition of the sign next to it)
(http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/hwy2/PostOfficeStopSign1.JPG)
This needs to be shown on the KABC, KNBC, KCBS, KTTV, etc! Very few people read the news, most will watch it and if some pictures were sent in to document this it "may" make a teeny tiny impact. Just a thought... ???
Why don't we get some just get a group of citizens and put on some forest green jackets, to look official. Go down to Hwy 2, and direct the traffic. Tell them they can't go threw, the mountain is full. We can all take shifts. If the sheriffs won't take charge and do something about this outrageous and illegal use of our community, then they probably won't give a crap if we get out there and take control. Or we could just put the coats on, look all official, and charge each car that turns onto Hwy 2 $20.00 or more for day use, and tell them they can not play or park in front of homes, or in town. If we all take turns, we will all go to the bank!! Are we just going to let these disrespectful low lifes come in and over run our town? I say we have a community meeting...It's just going to get worse in the coming years, and most of us know why.
@Forester: Roundabouts here in Socal too! Palmdale, being the closest ones I'm aware of. Yes, they are a little better than 4 way stop signs. The problem here is that there is physically not enough room to put one in.
Yeah I know there isn't enough room there, a man can dream right?
From another state's DOT website, but for an idea:
So say Mountain High pays a cop $300 a day, 8 days a year ... would pay for itself in 80 years?
Didn't they install a round about in Claremont a few years ago on Indian Hill and take it out because it sucked? Not enough space and did not effectively control traffic?
If I remember correctly there was an accident issue on the highway at the PO which necessitated either a stop sign or a turn pocket. ...so removing the stop sign would require a turn pocket the way I understand it. ???
The stop sign was a result of several people suggesting it during the process that preceded construction (when CalTrans pretended to interested in what the community wanted).
So I'm coming home from work on Big Pines Highway tonight about 4:45pm, and find about 10-12 people standing/playing on what remains of the ice on Jackson lake, including several small children. The remaining ice only covers maybe 1/4 of the surface of the lake, and I honestly didn't think it was even remotely thick enough to support any weight.I have seen the same literally hundreds of times. I used to warn people but that got old and very time consuming. Not to mention being completely ignored or told to go do unthinkable acts to myself.
I called ANF Dispatch and reported it.
Just how incredibly stupid does a parent have to be, to not only allow their children on the ice, but to participate in playing on it, or watching from the shoreline?
Those kind of idiot snowplayers can go home, and never return.
People that come up to play in the snow and skate on Jackson Lake are a lot more uninformed than stupid.
People that come up to play in the snow and skate on Jackson Lake are a lot more uninformed than stupid. They just do not know because they don't live with it until they come up here. They don't know the danger of it. However, people that think they can invade private property to play in snow.. are truly stupid and just darn disrespectful.
Perhaps a new sign: " Danger, Danger do not skate on ice unless you're a lawyer." Then, we'd really cull them out. cheryl o7o
I don't think it's the forest service job to protect the pubic. Their job is to manage our natural resources. Lawyers are to blame, stupid people should be allowed to cull themselves from the herd. The World would be a better place. Instead we have stupid people breeding causing the decline of society.
But part of me thinks that this stuff should be put on the local TV news
There is one set of public restrooms in town, in the parking lot between the banks (when we had two banks in town). These are accessable from Pine, Park and Evergreen, where a trail runs from the Veterans Memorial to the restrooms.
Mountain Hardware also has porta-potties, that they pay for. Normally they have 2-3 in the outside garden shop, but I noticed that there are a few more now...
I hate to think some niebor would send snowplayers to play in my yard because they seemed nice.That lot is no one's "yard". It's a vacant lot. I would never send anyone into someone's yard.
asking CalTrans to post signs on their portable billboards
What does "The Real Wrightwood Page" as listed in Wahl's post mean?This refers to one of the Wrightwood area Facebook pages. There are a few Facebook pages for this area and each one has a different name.
Avoiding the traffic on the highway by using residential streets and ignoring the stop signs.
Even a tour bus joined in the fun.
https://youtu.be/PTpkAY7HB5w (https://youtu.be/PTpkAY7HB5w)
Can you confirm the bus id number?Best I can tell is 5721. I could be wrong on the last number. Might be a 9, might be a 4 depending on the font. Also, here is their website: http://amtrans.us/
Today, I saw additional porta potties out...
1 was at the Veteran's memorial park
2 were at the skate park area
I didn't notice if there were any between the banks
What is the current phone number for SBC sheriff for WW?The number on the Wrightwood Fire Safe Council magnet says...
More "Fake News" and disingenuous information.A self-reinforcing delusion for sure. Agree and you encourage them. Disagree and they call you a liar and continue living their delusion. I yearn for the days people like this were rightfully shunned as weirdos. Perhaps it's going to take some anti-political correctness to get this crazy train back on track.
I'm a simple man, it looks to me like Elk pasted a Facebook post from the Big Pines Ranger Station. It looks to me like whoever controls that Facebook profile -- presumably someone at the ranger station -- is the one who called the person in question a USFS volunteer
Does anyone know if they've opened up Angeles Crest Hwy gate at Mtn High West to Grassy Hollow?
but people are using these to share with government agencies as proof as to why Wrightwood needs x,y,z help.........
But, gosh darn it.. if that dumpster wasn't in our side of the forest.. we should know that. cheryl o7o
I guess we're about to prove that "a picture IS worth a thousand words.":wave:
If our general side of the Angeles is too broad an area for people to care about then the admins of the "Big Pines Ranger Station, _Angeles National Forest_" might as well just leave out the Angeles National Forest and just report strictly about the VIS. Oh, but wait, that would be like complaining about trash in Wrightwood but not caring about the rest of the forest..
Thank you Fenner, Mountain Hardware, and Wrightwood Market!! You rock! :2thumbsup:
Ya know... if you took away the snow.. the pictures of cars parked in the residential areas would look a lot like the Memorial Day weekend sales. Just sayin'.
There are just so many people that come up from down below when there is snow. So many in fact that my Dad commented "They just wear out the snow"
should be a nice quiet weekend due to weatherAlmost like the good old days when Wrightwood used to get snow. I remember chaining up all four wheels on the International scout and going out with my brother for a joy ride. The snow was about 2 and half feet deep and there wasn't a soul around during our joy ride.
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Who do think would something like this in the Forest?
There was (is?) a thread called Walking on Thin Ice...people have died at Jackson Lake in the last 20 years, yes?
In this day and age of social media, signs that tell the story of actual tragedies that have occurred instead of "DANGER! Potential drowning hazard! Stay off ice!" might have more impact and influence. A suggestion for volunteers to take to the big cheeses of the the USFS or the Nat'l Monument or whatever Jackson Lake's status is these days.
Its one of those things that would be used by lawyers to say "you knew the danger, but didn't stop them".
Wasn't it posted before (maybe on the "thin ice" thread) that if people are on the Jackson Lake ice, and FSC or LEO says, "get off the ice," if they fall through leaving the ice, it's the fault of the LEO/FSC for calling them back??? Am I remembering that right???
Does anyone know if Jackson Lake has posts with chains that encompass the entire perimeter of the lake in winter?
cheryl o7o
But, that family may not have realized they were walking on a lake.Road signs point to Jackson Lake. Signs in the area say Jackson Lake. I'd guess that most maps and GPS apps show Jackson Lake. There is a trail that goes around on side of the lake. Not one trail or marking on the lake. There are "stay off the ice" signs. That whole area is very mountainous, except for the perimeter of the lake itself, which of course is flat. You'd think they would be able to deduce that this might actually be the lake they're standing on.
Jiminy Christmas!
Volunteers can scream demands at various Hawaii beaches all day long like... "Stay 6 feet away from the sea turtle!" "You are too close to the sea turtle, get away!"
"Do not Step on the Corral or Touch the Corral While you Snorkel Out!"
God forbid we scream out to Humans "Get Off The Frozen Lake Before You Die!"
This one should be nominated for our "Have your wits gone wandering award?"I will assume that the vehicle owners call Law Enforcement to report the vehicle missing/stolen and then learn that the vehicle was in fact towed for parking violations. They then have to figure out where the vehicle is and then figure out how to get there.
Question: What happens to these folks who come back and find their car has been towed? Is it towed to a lot in WW? cheryl o7o
What a shame so many PhotoBucket photos are no longer available.
Seriously, I think the local news stations should stay around for the entire day and report on the traffic jams, illegal parking and trespassing on private property. They should also show the gridlock at the END OF THE DAY as everyone is leaving.
The news crews show up in the morning touting all the new snow and Mt High being open (but sold out), but do not show what a total mess it is during the day and when leaving. This alone might deter people from wanting to put up with all of the congestion.
Nolena - I would only add to fill a thermos with mimosas for the trek to the local establishment .. and fill it again for the trek home.
KTLA5 interviewed me at mh. I called them fake news and of course it wasn't aired. lol.We're laughing too, but not for the same reasons ::)