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Is anyones virginia creeper having a hard time this year? I've lived here for 17 years and never has my creeper had any problems. The leaves this year on all of mine front and back yard looks like it got some kind of disease. The leaves got spotted and then died so I ripped it off the trees today. I always look so forward to seeing it turn that pretty shade of red in the fall. Not this year though. Darn it....
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Sage,
Ours did the same thing. I've never seen it before and it has taken over the majority of the leaves with only a section on each end that is free. Our neighbor is complaining of similar spotting and dieing in his tomato plants. I've been working late hours the last 3 weeks and only saw them in the daylight a couple of days ago. What a shock.
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I just have to say this is when I really miss the nursery up here. I could of gone in there with a leaf and Leona could of told me what to do . Its to hard to get to Phelan to talk with Sharon now too. She is awesome and would probably been alot of help. One of my wishes for this great town is to have our nursery back!!!
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Could it be any of these?
http://www.yardener.com/ProblemsofVirginiaCreeper.html
Sometimes the tomatoes get vermicillum wilt, you have to make sure you don't plant them in the same place each year. Lately mine never get that far, the critters get them first.. ::)
Susan
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We're having the same problem with ours this year. I do quite a bit of walking through the village and I don't recall seeing it everywhere I go. I'm wondering if it's isolated to a specific geographic area. I'm over between Sheepcreek and Heathcreek.
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Elmer,
I'm a bit lower, on Desert Front.
I've ruled out water, fertilizer and most of the insects but will refer to the link provided by lostkiwi. Perhaps we should all take pictures and compare our findings ....
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My house is between Victorville and Irene. Seems we're all on the eastern side.
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Mine has the same symptoms you described. Had a little bit last year in the back yard, but it's worse this year and it's in both the back yard and front yard. I hardly give it any water it always grows like crazy. I'm a couple of blocks west of the school.
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Gee! It sounds like it's pretty much going through the village.
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OH Yes..Mine is having trouble too! I posted a few months ago about my very established plant just dying off!! Beautiful vines, hooked onto the fencing..just drying up brown and dying. It also has this whitish spotting type stuff on the leaves. I thought I may have been watering too much, but am just not sure... Oh my, I'd hate to loose it. I am on the East side....lower east canyon area.
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Well I think I figured it out! The whiteflies have taken over. When I was watering yesterday I squirted off the leaves of my creeper and thousands of whiteflies flew out. I think they just depleted all the nutrients out of my poor plants. Anyone know how to get rid of them without using poison? My dogs and that stuff don't mix. I'm gonna keep my mouth closed and just squirt the heck out of them everyday hoping they will leave.
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i was just noticing this morning, on some street between the Methodist Camp and Park Street, some beautiful and healthy specimens climbing 3-4 pines. really nice! if you want to know some uses for V. Creeper:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Parthenocissus+quinquefolia (http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Parthenocissus+quinquefolia)
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Sage,
The Whiteflies may be chased away by using a mixture of water and liquid detergent (such as Ivory) in a pump sprayer. Mix the detergent with approximately 10 to 15 parts of water and apply to the underside of the leaves as this where the little critters like to hang out. The best time to attack them is late in the evening or early in the morning. If you would really like to give them the hot foot, add a fair amount of liquid Tide or Dash laundry detergent to the above mentioned mix.
Good luck and happy bug hunting. If nothing else, you will have the cleanest bugs and plants in the neighborhood. ;D
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And who is this creep from Virginia, anyway? :eyebrows:
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And who is this creep from Virginia, anyway? :eyebrows:
It's not a creep from Virgina, it is an old lady named Virgina who doesn't get around so quickly any more. :crazy:
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here's mine. it's about 2 years old, from a small clipping that LasPulgas gave me.
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g215/ezzpete/creeper.jpg)
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WOW that's a nice one..and only two years old and from a clipping? What did you do have it be so healthy? Mine is over 3 years old and is about 1/3rd that lush and full and tall. Can you share your Virginia's Secret with me and the others? ps..how do get a successful Virginia Creeper clipping to grow? I've tried and failed at in every time!!
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ps..how do get a successful Virginia Creeper clipping to grow? I've tried and failed at in every time!!
At Mtn. Hardware they have something called rooting powder, that should help you get your clippings off to a good start.
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Don't give up on it yet.
Winter is coming, and Creepers turn colors and lose their leaves this time of year.
It may get a whole new start in the spring.
Probably the best course of action is to put a comforter around it, give it a little chicken soup, and sleep outside next to it tonight. Don't forget to check its pulse every 15 minutes throughout the night.
Just checking to see if you're paying attention. ;D
Seriously, it may very well come back in the spring.
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Thanks Nolena, I won't give up on it yes. I do know that they do begin to turn deep redish at about this time of year. I'll keep praying....and hope it comes back next year. I have taken almost every shoot, thread, or what ever they are called and weaved it and trained it through each square of chainlink fencing. It looked so gorgeous, now it's taking that turn for the worse I wrote about earlier.
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Spray some water all over the leaves and see if those white flies start flying around. I didn't think I had any bugs on mine until I hosed it off and thousands of those little bugars flew out. I ended up cutting mine back because I couldn't stand to look at all the dieing leaves, but now I wish I would of just left it until next spring nad let it flourish again. I know it will still come back but it will take time until it gets as big as I 've had it before.
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Back in '06 I posted that I couldn't get my Virginia Creeper to root...guess what?...I have been successful this summer at getting clippings to grow!
However, my very established Creeper is just not looking well at all! parts of it just curl up and die!!
Leaves have some spotty looking white markings, I can always tell death is coming..they fold in slowly and then the entire vine dies. I can't figure out if I am over -watering, under-watering...I see most around are doing so, so well. I have one that gets the extreme heat/sun during the day, but does get some shade in the afternoon. I've searched the internet high and low and cannot figure this out.
It has been extra hot this last month. I keep watering, any ideas out there?
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Hi. I am having trouble with my virginia creeper unlike I have ever seen before. Its leaves are spotted with white and curled on the ends. I can hear nats or something inside the leaves when I walk by and when i shake the leaves little white bugs fly out. It is on all of my virginia creeper, front and back. any suggestions.
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my virginia creeper is dying and looks like it has never looked before. BAD it has white specks on it, leaves are curled up and white nat looking bugs are infesting it. any suggestions???
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Sounds like White Fly. If so, there are non-pesticide treatments. Look for White Fly traps that are usually yellow pieces of cardboard/paper covered with a sticky substance. I bet Mike at Mountain Hardware has them. If not, I am sure that he can order them.
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Insecticidal soap works great, and again is not a pesticide, but a natural contol. Check, I would bet the hardware store has it.
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I used Neem oil to control a pretty serious whitefly infestation awhile back. It worked really well too. If you do decide to use Neem Oil (available almost everywhere plants are sold), remember to spray the ground around the plant, as that is where whiteflys lay their eggs.
Good luck!
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neem oil is groovy stuff.
my neighbor is a landscape architect and he turned me on to it.
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I'm not sure what Neem Oil is, but I do remember my brother-in-law in Portland talking about it, for his huge veggie garden, esp. heirloom tomatoes. He takes a zillion tons of those wonderful tomatoes to a couple of really nice restaurants every summer, and they serve the best Caprese salads on the planet with them!
I need to research Neem, I guess......
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my virginia creeper is definintely dead with those little white flies on it. Now Im wondering if I should take this 20 year old plant off of my pine trees or treat it with something. the flies seem to be going to my garden and in other plants now. it is so sad. the vibrant colors were one of my favorite things in the fall.
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I wouldn't cut it all back. Mine was like this last year & I left it alone. The seasons came and went and it proceeded to grow even better than ever this year! Lots of lush green leaves, and it more vines and leaves than ever!
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my virginia creeper is definintely dead with those little white flies on it. Now Im wondering if I should take this 20 year old plant off of my pine trees or treat it with something. the flies seem to be going to my garden and in other plants now. it is so sad. the vibrant colors were one of my favorite things in the fall.
Cornhusker, I'm pretty sure it's not dead. I cut mine down when we moved in because I didn't want them on the pines and they sprouted back up. They are doing the same now, I just keep pulling off the sprouts because I'm done with them.
As for treating, you'll have some luck but white flies are notoriously hard to get rid of even though they suck on the plant, so I assume the leafhoppers are as well. (Did you ever look at them to see which ones you have?) Not to mention as you say the flies are branching out onto your other plants.
As for fall color don't be sad, I dunno how your yard is layed out, but there are still plenty of other ways to get fall color. If you have a big space you could plant a full sized red maple. We wanted something smaller and got some Amur Maples from Brittany when she had the nursery. They are more shrubby in form you can also use as a screen or you can train them to a single trunk and grow 15-20'. From the Sunset Western Garden Book "Native to Manchuria, northern China, Japan. Toothed leaves are three lobed, even on mature plants. Clusters of small, fragrant yellow-ish flowers bloom in early spring, those are followed by handsome bright red, winged seeds. Striking red fall color. 'Flame', has especially fiery foliage in autumn." We have 3 Flame and I think another similar variety.
A smaller bush that you may see around town called 'snowball bush' because of the snowball flowers in spring are Viburnum. Depending on the variety, they also have nice fall color in autumn.
Feel free to pm me if you are interested in seeing any of the above. If you are, fall is the best time to plant trees and bushes.
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Forgot to mention, Japanese dwarf maples. Very pretty. You can get them in green which turn to red in the fall or in red. They do great up here but be advised that they should be in dappled shade and can also do full shade - the finer the leaves, the more likely they are to get sun burned.
Lastly, for anyone interested in maples, especially the larger ones, best not to plant them near your water line nor your septic.
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Lastly, for anyone interested in maples, especially the larger ones, best not to plant them near your water line nor your septic
I was always told at the nursery up here (from Leona) that maples were Ok to plant near septic tanks and leach lines, that their roots were the kind to stay near the surface. I planted about 4 different types of maples in my backyard (near the leach lines) so I am hoping she told me good info. Now I will go and check into it further.
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Just noticed that there is a huge assortment of potted trees and plants on Apple at the top of Park. Looks like someone opened a parking lot nursery, and it's sooo tempting....I can hear them calling to me when I drive by.
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I just saw that today too! I'm so glad to see some plants and trees for sale. Do you know whose selling them?
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Lastly, for anyone interested in maples, especially the larger ones, best not to plant them near your water line nor your septic
I was always told at the nursery up here (from Leona) that maples were Ok to plant near septic tanks and leach lines, that their roots were the kind to stay near the surface. I planted about 4 different types of maples in my backyard (near the leach lines) so I am hoping she told me good info. Now I will go and check into it further.
Everything I've read has said to completely avoid maples anywhere near septic tanks/fields. I was previously considering one in the backyard for shade but the spot is about 10 feet from the tank. We actually have one planted right next to our leach lines and I'm considering tearing it out before we have problems. Some have suggested putting some root killer down the drain.
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Can my virginia Creeper have both, white flies and a whitish leaf hopper? I gave it a shaking today and saw both types of insects fly around,,,then quickly hid back under leaves.
I would like to get rid of them, I can't quite grasp the lengthy responses above...oil? hugh? I think I need more clarification on how to do this...thanks so much
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3PinkRoses
Here is a good website I found with basic info on whitefly
http://www.planetnatural.com/site/xdpy/kb/whitefly-control.html (http://www.planetnatural.com/site/xdpy/kb/whitefly-control.html)
Here is part of the article:
Whitefly Control: Yellow sticky traps are helpful for monitoring and suppressing adult populations. If found, use the Bug Blaster or hose off plants with a strong stream of water to reduce pest numbers. Natural predators of this pest include ladybugs and lacewing, which feed on their eggs and the whitefly parasite which destroys nymphs and pupae. For best results, make releases when pest levels are low to medium. If populations are high, use a least-toxic, short-lived natural pesticide to establish control, then release predatory insects to maintain control. Insecticidal soap, neem oil, and botanical insecticides can be used to spot treat heavily infested areas. Spot treat with insecticidal soap or botanical insecticides if population become intolerable.
Tip: Insecticidal control can be difficult because the insect is resistant to many synthetic insecticides. However, horticultural oils, which work by smothering insects, are very effective on all stages of this pest.
Note: Ants feed on the honeydew that sucking insects produce and will protect these pests from their natural enemies. An application of Tanglefoot Pest Barrier to the stalks of roses and other woody plants will help keep ants away.
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O.K....now that all the Creeper leaves are gone, I can see 100's and 100's of those little white insects. When I rustle up the leaves that have fallen down to the ground & clean at the base of each plant, they jump like the crazy...everywhere, even on me! I'm ready to kill these suckers...so how do I do it again? I don't think a garden hose/water is the answer. I want them gone~dead so they stop speading.
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3PinkRoses,
Do you mind if I send you a PM?
YB
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I also had infestations of white flies on not only my Virginia Creeper but other vine type plants, like Wisteria and Honeysuckle. Try Gardens Alive for an assortment of safe, organic products. Look for them online. They often have pictures and information in their catalogs of insects and plant diseases. I love their products.
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Update on the white flies or what ever little white creature that's thriving in the depths of my Virginia Creeper....they are alive and well. I rustled up the vine at the roots of my VC and those little buggers went hopping everywhere. Hense, they live through the snow, wintery weather. My plan is to take care of them, naturally before they ruin the rest of my VC.
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Neem oil works well for most white fly infestations.
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I just wanted to chime in on behalf of my Virginia Creepers. I have had such GREAT luck with cuttings the past few years. I can always get them going in a plain tub of water after I've cut them off of a more mature vine. I let them sit in the water, changing often, and wait until I see a small root growth begin. Sometimes it takes a few months. I purge off the dead leaves and ends of each cutting as they live in the water. Most of the time, they look dead...but they are not.... In the summer of 2010, I planted about 5 cuttings along a chain link fence. In 2 summers, 2011 and 2012, they have grown to cover the fence...with a little help from me. I navigate the vines through the fence links and it has been fun! I couldn't be happier!!!!
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I have some native CA Clematis (woody vine 3" w/white puff-ball seed heads) growing through my chain link, but it seems slow to fill in. Maybe I should try VA Creeper. . .
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3PinkRoses,
Did you get rid of the whitefly? If so, how?
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The white flies are much, much, much better this year. Although, I did notice, they live mostly year round. They moved to my firewood pile when the VC vines were bare. When I'd get wood, they'd just around.....skittering, flying a few feet.
Most of my plants seem to be doing a lot better this summer. They are fuller, greener, less mold on my roses, growing well, spreading well.
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What does this mean for fall? Last year I thought it would never turn red. Suddenly, I have
red leaves showing. Just a few.. but what? cheryl o7o
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I wanted to reply to above...no, I never really got rid of the white flies. This year doesn't seem as bad as last year..things are looking better in my yard this year. If I go rustle up the VC's, the little white flies take off to jumping or flying or whatever they do to get to another leaf :) :laugh: