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This year, contractors will be working on the Switzers Picnic Area and Buckhorn Campground Recreation Site Improvement projects. These Recreation Sites will be closed to public access for an unspecified time period to allow the Contractor to complete the improvements in the shortest time period.
Charlton Flat Picnic Area will be open this summer, after the Contractor has completed some contractual work.
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With "enviromental evaluations" complete, Jackson Lake is scheduled to be stocked this week.
http://dfg.ca.gov/fish/Hatcheries/FishPlanting/SouthCoast.asp
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With "enviromental evaluations" complete, Jackson Lake is scheduled to be stocked this week.
That is great news. The lake looks great and has recovered from the partial draining last fall. As a resullt of the clean up, there is much more room on the shore for fishing and recreational activities. Thanks to Bob Blount and the ANF for making this clean up a priority. It will be appreciated by many!
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Thanks to Bob Blount and the ANF for making this clean up a priority. It will be appreciated by many!
Ditto! :2thumbsup:
The April 2010 Issue of the USFS Big Pines Volunteer Newsletter had an article on the History of Jackson lake. The article concluded with the words:
"As Jackson Lake continues to fill this spring it will return to its pristine glory of yesteryear; being used for swimming, fishing and canoeing."
Here is a triva question that the article mentioned...
In 1924 the lake was known as "Lake Big Pines". Some old timers would refer to it as "The Manzanita Mud Bath". In 1926 it became Jackson Lake. Who was the lake named after?
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Michael Jackson?
Action Jackson?
Reggie Jackson?
Jackson Browne?
Jackson Hewitt?
Jacksonville Jaguars?
Not that guy on the Fifty...
Jackson County Missouri. Gotta be it.
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I lived in JACO, Mo for several years back in the mid 80's! :-*
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I lived in JACO, Mo for several years back in the mid 80's! :-*
See... You never read the Volunteer Newsletter so you don't know the answer. ;D
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I know, I KNOW!!!
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After John Jackson of the LA school board at the time.
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I know, I KNOW!!!
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After John Jackson of the LA school board at the time.
Hey, I didn't get the feeling that was totally confirmed in the newsletter. ;)
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Hey, I didn't get the feeling that was totally confirmed in the newsletter. ;)
Ouch!
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Hey, I didn't get the feeling that was totally confirmed in the newsletter. ;)
The comment in the Newsletter was...
"It's believed that a John Jackson was on the school board at the time and the lake was actually named after him."
That was a quote from the local History expert here in town. The organizational camps were springing up including L.A. School District camps. That's good enough for me. ;)
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Whoa, this topic is too brutal and bloody for me, time to move on. ;D
I'll take names of mountain ranges in the San Gabriel Mountains for $1000 Alex.
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See... You never read the Volunteer Newsletter so you don't know the answer. ;D
Sorry, I just like to look at the pictures. ;)
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Whoa, this topic is too brutal and bloody for me, time to move on. ;D
I'll take names of mountain ranges in the San Gabriel Mountains for $1000 Alex.
Not in our area but fairly close to us. I learned something from one of my rock and mineral books. The Ord Mountain Range was named after who?
I'm sure Wiki has the answer.... dunno
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Not in our area but fairly close to us. I learned something from one of my rock and mineral books. The Ord Mountain Range was named after who?
Alex:
"This man mapped the Gold and Quicksilver District of California, surveyed and mapped public land for the City of Los Angeles in 1848-1849. He was a General in the Union Army during the American Civil War and later had a mountain range named after him near Barstow California. An Army fort in Monterey, California was also named after him."
Answer:
"Who was Edward Ortho Cresap Ord"
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Mr. B you are correct.... ;D
There were several Indian tirbes of the vast Mojave Desert.
What Indian tribe did General Ord fight off to gain the Ord Mtns. territory?
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The last Indian he fought was a Modoc Indian in Northern Cal.
He lost ;)
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There were several Indian tirbes of the vast Mojave Desert.
What Indian tribe did General Ord fight off to gain the Ord Mtns. territory?
I'm guessing Paiute or Shoshone.
The last Indian he fought was a Modoc Indian in Northern Cal.
He lost ;)
Well it was Yellow Fever that got him in 1883, right about the time that Old man Tom Vincent was building his cabin in Vincent Gulch in the shadow of present day Baden-Powell.
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Does anyone know what the net address is for this?
You never read the Volunteer Newsletter so you don't know the answer
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Does anyone know what the net address is for this?
You never read the Volunteer Newsletter so you don't know the answer
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I am asking for the website of the local news letter so I can read it !
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I've had a lot of requests for the "Big Pines Volunteer Newsletter" at the WDAD.
Here is the link so that you can download the newsletters for yourselves:
http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/bigpines/
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Thank ya John, that is what I was looking for. :2thumbsup:
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The June Newsletter is now available:
http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/bigpines/Newsletter%20June%202010.pdf
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These newsletters are so great!
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This is a reminder that Fireworks of ANY kind are illegal in the forest, as are any open fires outside of designated campfire rings in the campgrounds. (Propane, gas and sterno fires are permitted with a valid Campfire Permit).
Patrols are being stepped up in our area this weekend. If you are cited for violation of the above, it is not just a ticket. Violators are subject to a MANDATORY appearance before the Judge in the Federal Court building in downtown Los Angeles who can impose fines not exceeding $5,000 as well as Jail time.
The Judges take fire violations in our forest Very Seriously.
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"The Judges take fire violations in our forest Very Seriously.
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THIS is wonderful to hear...errr....read! :2thumbsup:
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Per ANF Incident Dispatch at top of page:
07/07/2010 10:44 ANF-2746 Mega Python vs Gatoroid Miscellaneous LARRD Office
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We have a scooter event July 2nd and July 3rd. May ask some friends to stay over for the 4th and cruise the town watching for fireworks. Not only could we call it in but scooter people can be very intimidating, kind of.
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We have a scooter event July 2nd and July 3rd. May ask some friends to stay over for the 4th and cruise the town watching for fireworks. Not only could we call it in but scooter people can be very intimidating, kind of.
Since fireworks are absolutely prohibited up here, I certainly hope you don't see any, if you're staying in WW! :o They used to have them at the football field at Serrano, but I think it's still cancelled cuz of budget cuts. Don't know where the closest ones would be, Adelanto maybe? But I hope you enjoy your scooter event anyway. :)
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I think Kevin meant watching for illegal fireworks and shutting it down. To which I say, Go Scooters!
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Every year at this time we find spent bottle rocket debris along blue ridge road near the heath slide and at Ball Flat while on patrol during our day shift. Makes me sick every time we find them proving you can't fix stupid. :brickwall: Policy doesn't allow us out past 17:00hrs.
Not saying concerned citizens can't be out "N" about though. Call in anything you see in the moment with as much detail as possible.
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I think Kevin meant watching for illegal fireworks and shutting it down. To which I say, Go Scooters!
I thought about that after I posted this. Sorry if I misrepresented myself. I applaud anyone watching for illegal fireworks in our forest.
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The road into Lupine Campground suffered severe flooding and washout at the stream during the thunderstorms in August.
High clearance 4X4 vehicles only, are recommended until the road is graded.
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I drove down there last friday in a 2 wheel drive Ford F-150 with high clearence and had to turn around at the washout. Glad to hear that you can make it down to Lupine in a 4 X 4 truck.
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I may try it next week in my Tahoe.
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Any recent info. on the road to Lupine?
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Any recent info. on the road to Lupine?
I was able to drive their easily two weeks ago in my ford f150... I could see how a car (might) have a problem but I think one could still make it.
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Considering the thunderstorm activity today, we hiked elsewhere. Had we been able to drive all the way to Lupine, a good rain might have made it difficult to cross the stream on the way back.
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Considering the thunderstorm activity today, we hiked elsewhere. Had we been able to drive all the way to Lupine, a good rain might have made it difficult to cross the stream on the way back.
Oops, I thought you were talking about Guffy. (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/439650756_F26pY-Th.gif)
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Big Pines Ranger (Information) Station now has a Facebook page!
The page was created to make another resource available to the public/community for information, news and photos about the local area. I also encourage interaction with questions, comments, forest experiences, etc.
So... look us up under "Big Pines Ranger Station, Angeles National Forest" on Facebook!
Disclaimer: While the ranger station is operated by the Forest Service, the Facebook pages' views, opinions, etc. expressed do not necessarily represent or reflect the views of the Forest Service or the Angeles National Forest.
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Here's their Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Big-Pines-Ranger-Station-Angeles-National-Forest/181185338620103 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Big-Pines-Ranger-Station-Angeles-National-Forest/181185338620103)
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Michael "Todd" Cook, known as "Smokey" to many of his friends, will be leaving the Big Pines Ranger Station. After serving as the Visitor Information Assistant there since 2007, he is transferring to a new assignment. Although he will be missed by all the volunteers working out of the Grassy Hollow Visitor Center and the Big Pines Station, we are excited for him and wish him well in his new assignment.
Details can be found in the April edition of the "Big Pines Volunteer Newsletter":
Volunteer Newsletters (http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/bigpines)
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With Todd Cook's departure, the Angeles National Forest and those of us that volunteer there, are losing a good friend. Those of us that man Grassy Hollow Visitor Center have benefited from an increased spirit of cooperation since he came to Big Pine, and will always appreciate the changes in the last few years. We will miss him greatly.
Todd, we all wish you the best on your move, and your new adventure.
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Thank you! I appreciate that very much. :)
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Todd is one of the good guys and will be missed. He was very knowledgeable about our area and patiently would share the information that the visitors need to enjoy the forest in any time of year. There were times that he seemed to have the patience of a Saint but he always managed to get the information across. People that come to our National Forests expect to find someone like Todd...a "Forest Ranger" who cares about the land and shares that enthusiasm. The folks on the other side of the country will benefit from Todd's being there. Good luck, Todd and enjoy some of that incredible fishing in your new forest!
Jim
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He will be very hard to replace. Thanks for all the help over the years!
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First we lose Micheline to Idaho. Now we lose Todd to Washington. What have the National Forests in the great Northwest got that we don't have? Oh yeah, no traffic, no people, no snowplayers, solitude, peace and quiet, etc., LOL!
BTW, we are losing Jim Rough as well. After spending decades around these parts for the USFS, he's retiring this month
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Good point about Jim Rough... he will be greatly missed by many (some who don't even know it yet). Besides being a great person, the camps have relied on his knowledge of the water systems and other insights for many years. He is definitely an asset to ANF and those of us down here at the camps and we will miss him.
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What have the National Forests in the great Northwest got that we don't have? Oh yeah, no traffic, no people, no snowplayers, solitude, peace and quiet, etc., LOL!
You forgot... LOTS OF WATER! ;D If I still suck at fishing after a year of living up there, I can't use the excuse of having no water around anymore!
Thanks for the kind words, Jim and InTheWood! :)
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Blue Ridge Road has been graded and is clear for vehicle traffic. However, by Forest Service Order, the road will remain closed to public vehicles until Memorial Day weekend. The reason for this is that there will be heavy activity as part of a fuel reduction project. The "Fenner Road" between Vincent Gap and Big Rock Creek is now open.
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Dear Angeles National Forest Volunteers:
The Angeles National Forest Fire Lookout Association (ANFFLA) will be holding the following fire lookout trainings during the month of May, 2012, for NEW VOLUNTEERS. All sessions will be held at the Los Angeles River Ranger District (12371 N. Little Tujunga Canyon Road, San Fernando, CA 91342).
Class 1: Orientation. May 9th from 6:30 to 8:30 pm, or May 12th from 10:00 am to 12 noon. In this class, we let the interested volunteers know who we are and what we expect if they volunteer for ANFFLA.
Class 2: Interpretation/Natural History. May 12th from 1:00 pm to 4:00 pm or May 17th from 6:30pm to 9:30pm. In this class, we talk about the history of the mountains and some tips on how to interact with the public.
Class 3: Operations. May 19th from 9:00 am to 4:00 pm. This is an all-day class, in which we teach the new volunteers how to use the belt weather kit, how to use the Osborne Fire Finder, and how to use the HT radio. We go over safety, lighting, and so much more.
If you are interested in attending any of these sessions, please notify Pam or George Morey, Fire Lookout Coordinators, 909-744-9510 ext. 125.
OR visit the ANFFLA website at http://www.anffla.org/training/
Thanks for your continued interest in volunteering on the Angeles National Forest!
Kathy Peterson
Volunteer/Partnership Coordinator
Angeles National Forest
e-mail: rdobroman@juno.com
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This morning parking in our usual place, the overlook on Table Mountain Road, often called the East Table Mt. Road or "JPL" road, we came upon the leftovers of a ceremony. This was probably a ceremony for abundance and many good things. It would be an honor to be able to participate in these types of ceremonies and I'm sure no one would object to the point of the ceremony. HOWEVER The items left included: styrofoam plates, lots of fruit, three dried fish, a slab of meat, bottles of water, streamers and lots of wrapped candy. Three of us picked this stuff up and put it in the Big Pines garbage can. These types of items were found up at the overlook last year as well. It is disrespectful of our forest, dangerous for all wildlife and pets, and illegal to litter. Please if you are reading this and know who might be responsible, please let them know it is expected and proper to pick up after yourself when you are finished with your activities.
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That is a good way to start having problems with bears. They become aclimated to people food, then they become aggressive. Then the bears wind up having to be put down. Bears always lose in bear/people encounters. >:(
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Three of us picked this stuff up and put it in the Big Pines garbage can.
As a member of the Big Pine volunteer patrol staff a big thank you! way to go. :2thumbsup: This type of activity is part of our duty to enforce the FS code. With Memorial weekend coming up and an expected dry summer season we will be ramping up our efforts in the field.
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The "Fuel Reduction Project" being conducted along Blue Ridge continues. Hikers need to be cautious and stay on the trail when hiking through the area:
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The stage at the Table Mountain Campground Amphitheater is being reconstructed and remodeled. The stage understructure was severly rotted and had to be replaced. It will be ready for "Movie" and "Concert" nights starting in the middle of June:
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The "Fuel Reduction Project" being conducted along Blue Ridge continues. Hikers need to be cautious and stay on the trail when hiking through the area:
(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/RobertWMorgan/IMG_0237.jpg)
Wood permits are currently NOT available through the Big Pines Ranger Station. Wood Pemits can, at this time, only be obtained from the District Office in Acton or the Angelesl National Forest Headquarters in Arcadia.
While out on patrol today we found campers, with chainsaws, taking wood without permits out of Big Rock Canyon. It's a hefty fine. WOOD PERMITS ARE REQUIRED!
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The "Fuel Reduction Project" being conducted along Blue Ridge continues. Hikers need to be cautious and stay on the trail when hiking through the area:
The road was open to Guffy but closed thereafter when I was up there on Monday.
HJ
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The road was open to Guffy but closed thereafter when I was up there on Monday.
HJ
The road down to Camp Lupine was heavily damaged this past winter and rumor has it that it may be closed for sometime. The gate at the Guffy Campground turn off is the only gate that prevents you from going down that road. The good news is that with the lack of traffic, the Bighorn Sheep may return to the Heath Slide. ;D
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Saturday, June 9th, is "Get Outdoors Day". The day is "Fee Free" and you will NOT be required to have an Adventure Pass to recreate in the forest. Go ahead, get out there and do some hiking.
The following week, the week of June 10th, Jackson Lake is scheduled to be stocked. While out patrolling the Lake over Memorial Day Weekend, at least on Saturday, most people had some pretty nice stringers with some nice sized trout. It must have been the cold weather. They were biting on everything; powerbait, eggs, worms and lures. On the next day, after it had warmed up, trout were still being caught, but not as many.
We are often asked, and as a reminder, Fishing Licenses ARE required when fishing at Jackson Lake unless you are 16 years or under. Licenses are not available in town. Don't get caught fishing without a license, as the fines are very severe. Ouch!
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I was in an all day meeting in Arcadia yesterday and it did not finish until after 4pm and I was sure to be stuck in grid lock traffic for hours on the freeways trying to get home to the village. The east bound 210 was at a stand still and the west bound traffic was moving but starting to back up. Rather then sitting in traffic I decided to drive the Angeles Crest Highway from La Canada to Wrightwood and avoid the grid lock. It was a very nice drive and I was amazed at how fast the forest is recovering from the Station fire of 2009. I did notice that there is flowering poodle brush from Switzer's all the way past Chilao and I was hoping that people know what that plant is by now. Just as I passed the highest point on the crest at Dawson Saddle and approached the "Snow Beach" area two Big Horn Sheep Rams darted out in front of my car and ran across the road going down hill. It was a quick but amazing sight to experience. I continued on towards Wrightwood and just as I passed Inspiration Point a Dear and a baby fawn covered in white spots on it's sides ran across the road in front of me. Thank goodness I was traveling at a safe speed and was able to allow them safe passage. It was a great drive and I am glad that I decided to take the scenic route and avoid the grid lock.
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Wonderful, Tall Trees! I rarely have occasion to take that route, but enjoy it very much when I do.
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Does anyone know if the road to Lupine is open yet?
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The Angeles National Forest road crew have begun maintenance on the roads system in this section of the Santa Clara/Mojave Rivers Ranger District. They have been working on system roads for over a week now and hopefully they can clear the road to Lupine before too much longer. The road to Lupine Campground was in the worst shape of all the system roads due to numerous landslides, rock falls with large boulders and a large washout in the bottom of the Prairie Fork just west of Lupine.
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The Grassy Hollow Visitor Center will NOT be open for the 4th of July holiday.
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Due to budget constaints and lack of funds the Big Pines Ranger Station has been closed to the public indefinitely. Sadly, the July 2012 issue of the Big Pines Volunteer Newsletter, which has been published since September of 2009, will be the last issue. :(
The volunteers will still be working out of the Big Pines Station and will continue to answer the publics questions and provide up-to-date information on road and trail conditions, fire restrtictions, forest safety, etc. while out in the field.
You can continue to get the latest Forest information for the Big Pines area here on this website, on the Big Pines Ranger Station's facebook page or at the Grassy Hollow Visitor Center on the weekends. Of course you can always go to Angeles Forest's website as well.
Only daily and Annual Aventure Passes can be obtained at Grassy Hollow on the weekends or at Jensen's Markets and the Gas Station in Wrightwood. All other passes as well as Wood Permits must be obtained at the District Office in Acton, CA. Maps of the Angeles National Forest as well as Topo maps are still available locally from Mountain Hardware.
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All other passes as well as Wood Permits must be obtained at the District Office in Acton, CA.
Boy, that's a shame.. that pretty much guarantees no one will bother making the drive all the way there to remain "legal"
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I hear you. The Fuel Reduction Project remains in full swing and there is plenty of wood still easily available as the pictures above show. It's very tempting to just grab the wood and run without going to the District Office to obatin a permit.
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Sadly, the July 2012 issue of the Big Pines Volunteer Newsletter, which has been published since September of 2009, will be the last issue. :(
That is sad RobertW, you did a great job putting that together each month and it was very informative. It will be missed.
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:(Sorry to hear that Robert. It is a shame the $$$ doesn't trickle down where we really need it. To clarify, if one is camping at a local campground, they cannot collect downed wood for their fire?
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:(Sorry to hear that Robert. It is a shame the $$$ doesn't trickle down where we really need it. To clarify, if one is camping at a local campground, they cannot collect downed wood for their fire?
You are allowed to collect downed wood for your campfire without a permit. A wood permit is required for those that plan on collecting a lot of wood, say a cord or more, for personal uses beyond a campfire. Many Wrightwood residents will gather wood from the forest for the upcoming winter season to burn in their fireplaces. THAT is what the wood permit is for. We come upon individuals collecting wood all the time while out on patrol and it is pretty easy to decifer between the two. The person with a trailer full of wood with a chainsaw in hand is NOT just collecting wood for his campfire. ;D
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Understood. Thanks Robert. I have no problem following the rules; they're there for a reason.
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Was at Guffy this morning and the road crew has opened the gate to Lupine. I had the pleasure of getting stuck behind the loader on the way out.
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Nice! I was hoping to hike to Little Fish Fork or even Upper Fish Fork on the 4th, so that's great news that the road to Lupine is open at last.
Anyone been down there and know what kind of shape the road is in?
HJ
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Yay! Been waiting for that road to open. :2thumbsup:
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Nice! I was hoping to hike to Little Fish Fork or even Upper Fish Fork on the 4th, so that's great news that the road to Lupine is open at last.
Anyone been down there and know what kind of shape the road is in?
HJ
This is a little late for you but nonetheless...
We rented a Jeep (considering buying one) and did our first ever off road excursion today down to what I only now learn is the Lupine campground. I had a very general idea of where I was going based on playing around with Google Earth in the past - all I knew was that a road went down into the canyon off of Blue Ridge and it led to a campground that was closed for a few years. Now that we're back I did some searching and found a reference here that described the condition of the road at one time as being passable by 2wd sedans - I wouldn't describe it that way unless you really dislike your sedan :o . It's plenty passable and we made it back up in 2WD most of the way. The only area that needed a bit more traction was a point where a small stream crosses the road on a somewhat steep section. We made it through with little drama. Once we made it there was no one and no thing there. The views of Pine Mountain were cool - it was really neat to see a place of that size hidden in a spot that can't otherwise be seen from a paved road. The sheer face on the mountain was really different for around here - it's no wonder the overlying rock is all sloughing off into the canyon.
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Large pic: http://mysite.verizon.net/res7weom/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pinemtn.jpg
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Great picture! I haven't driven to any of these places because I'm scared of encountering another car and having to reverse down the "road." I could hike with my dog but haven't penetrated that far yet. It looks so beautiful.
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I'm planning drive down to Lupine (and then a hike) soon. I would advise not going on a day with a chance of thunder storms. When that stream starts running with storm waters, the road washes out and you can be stuck down there.
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Great picture! I haven't driven to any of these places because I'm scared of encountering another car and having to reverse down the "road."
Going into it we weren't familiar with the etiquette but we ran across a guy who did this for us (he backed up, but he yeilded to us going uphill, not vice versa). So when it came our turn to make way for someone else the quandary was how to get out of the way when doing so requires putting the vehicle half into some bushes? I was very cognizant of the fire danger and didn't want to get the exhaust anywhere near any vegetation. Luckily the gentleman must have caught the fact that we had no idea what we were doing ( 8) ) and pulled over for us instead. On the tighter and steeper parts of the trail I really have no idea how one would handle that.
Oh, and a correction to what I said earlier, I think Pine Mountain is visible from Highway 2 near Grassy Hollow.
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Just for information the person driving up hill has the right of way on forest service truck trails. When using these trails always note specially designed wide spots and turnouts that you can back into. Sometimes you may have to back up a couple of hundred yards before vehicles can pass each other. The north American monsoon is set to develop tomarrow (7-12-12) and a flash flood warning has been issued by the San Diego National Wather Service office. I would not venture down into the Prairie Fork to Lupine Campground and Trail head tomorrow because you might be stuck if the road washes out. Last year a couple a fellows camping at Lupine were trapped for over a week after a thunderstorm washed out the road. They had to hike out and wait before heavy equipment could clear the truck trail so they could retrieve their vehicles.
Trivia question? Why does the U.S. Forest Service officially identify all the dirt roads in the forest as "Truck Trails" and when were most of them built.
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Interesting reading: http://www.foresthistory.org/ASPNET/Publications/first_century/sec4.htm
The story of "sedans" down in Lupine is true. While on patrol, I've seen Cadillac Escalade's down there as well as Honda Civic's. Must have taken them hours to get there, not to mention the paint damage from the brush and the need of suspension alignment.
Joe, glad you enjoyed yourself down there but don't be tempted to drive to Cabin Flat. The road, or what was a road has been closed to motorized vehicles and is posted. The GPS units still recognize it as being a road and that's been a problem down there. Jeep clubs still go in there and we've caught them doing so. What I will say is, they do a mighty fine job of picking up after themselves, as most responsible off roader's do. ;) But it's still closed to motorized vehicles. It's not a difficult hike into Cabin Flat and the serenity of it all is worth it.
The Wilderness area is my favorite place to go. The fish fork trail, and up to Pine Mtn. and there is a waterfall if you go far enough on the back side of Baldy, is a great decompression time from the stresses.
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My trivia question is a bit misleading because it addresses Forest Service Truck Trails and there construction and not specifically the construction of the east blue ridge road and the road to Lupine Campground which used to continue to Cabin Flat I remember driving to Cabin Flat and camping and I felt like I was in one of the remote places that you could find on the forest. You can still hike there if you want from Lupine but the elevation gain/loss is about 1500 feet and it is a waterless arduous hike back to camp.
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Thanks Tall Trees and Joe, I got the right-of-way wrong. ;)
Still makes me nervous though.
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Joe, glad you enjoyed yourself down there but don't be tempted to drive to Cabin Flat. The road, or what was a road has been closed to motorized vehicles and is posted.
Not knowing where I was or where I was going, the fact that it is posted would have kept me out. Frankly we circled the Lupine campground and I didn't even notice that the road continued.
We're gonna try the Big Tree Truck trail and/or Applewhite Road and call it quits. We decided that renting a Jeep to get a fix every once in a while vs. purchasing one is the way to go.
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I felt like I was in one of the remote places that you could find on the forest.
We found a road to Sulphur Springs via the Santa Clara Divide/Pacifico Mountain road a while back. It ended at a gate where I think the road was considered the Little Rock Truck trail. After we got back we mapped out where we had been and THAT was really nowheresville. (https://maps.google.com/?ll=34.371026,-117.995321&spn=0.006314,0.013078&hnear=Rancho+Cucamonga,+San+Bernardino,+California&t=h&z=17)
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Thanks Toolman for your link to the CCC's during the depression in the 1930's/40's. It is a great read and has alot of history that many people are not aware of especially in regards to recreation development on National Forest Lands. The East Blue Ridge Road and the dirt road to Lupine Campground and Cabin Flat predate the CCC era of the 1930's.
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The Wilderness area is my favorite place to go. The fish fork trail, and up to Pine Mtn. and there is a waterfall if you go far enough on the back side of Baldy, is a great decompression time from the stresses.
It's been a couple years since I was on that trail, but it's quite a treat. I would be really surprised to see anybody there beside me if I went there on any given day, and I love being so close to real wilderness within a short distance from the Inland Empire and LA.
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Applewhite road was interesting - kinda neat to see both the Cajon pass and Lytle Canyon at once. Big Tree Truck trail was closed :( .
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I drove my Chevy Tahoe down to Lupine today and some friends and I walked down to Cabin Flat and back. The road was bumpy in places, but fine.
Lupine is in great shape (and there's even a nice supply of toilet paper in the out houses!!).
There are 2 good camping sites with picnic tables & fire rings at Cabin Flat, and the out house is still standing and serviceable. The stream has a good flow of water in it.
Unfortunately, someone has made a road around the blocked off road to Cabin Flat, and it appears that vehicles of some sort have been driving the road. We found tire tracks all of the way to Cabin Flat.
There was very little trash in the area, and we carried out what we found.
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The stream has a good flow of water in it.
That must be from your recent storms - it was bone dry when we were there.
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State Parks Director Ruth Coleman resigned this morning and her second in command has been fired after officials learned the department has been sitting on nearly $54 million in surplus money for as long as 12 years.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/20/4645141/state-parks-director-resigns.html#storylink=cpy
(This probably should go under a different thread. If it's posted elsewhere, feel free to delete this.)
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This Saturday the 25th. Barbara Van Houten will be giving her presentation of the History of Big Pines in the Lodge at the Big pines Ranger Station at 1:pm. If you missed it last year, here's your opportunity to see it again.
The Big Pines Visitor office will be open during the presentation if you need additional information, maps or passes.
See ya there ;)
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I drove out east Blue Ridge road today to inspect the road after yesterdays massive thunderstorm. The road is in good shape until you pass Guffy campground and drop down into the Prairie Fork. About one half mile before you get to Lupine campground the road is completely washed out and impassable even with 4 X 4 vehicles. I hiked down to Lupine camp to make sure nobody was stranded and fortunately the camp was empty.
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Went out storm-chasing Thursday on Blue Ridge and half way up the switchback form 2 to Mtn High is this tree that has been exploded by lightning just west of the road. It is hard to miss and pretty amazing to see the damage. Debris blocked the road which we cleared and can be found over 50 feet away. Part of the tree is hanging in the tree next to it. Baldy also was covered white with hail was my assumption.
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The smoke from the Williams fire was unbearable today thick as fog and choking dry. This was the worst day since the fire started on Sunday but there might be some relief in site. The fire is now 25% contained and some moisture is moving in from Mexico from a tropical storm downgraded to a remnant low cyclone. We might see some showers and even a thunderstorm in the next couple of days.
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The photos of the tree are quite fascinating, thank-you so much for posting and sharing, don't get out in the woods much any more, and I've never seen anything quite like that!
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Yes the lightning strike to that tree is amazing.
This is a late post as I just got some pictures off my phone. Last Saturday heading out early on patrol we were stopped by a Mtn. High employee and said there was a tree on fire up on Frost Peak. Expecting a fully involved tree when we arrived, we saw nothing. We parked at the communication site and looked for our needle in the hay stack. We were not about to give up though and I happened to turn around and noticed the smoke billowing out of the top. It was the weirdest thing I'd ever seen, smoke, chimney what the.... ? Bob made his way over to the tree while I called it in to Angeles. They dispatched engine 37 immediately. Not much we could do except baby sit it. When they arrived they jumped on spraying all the brush around it and hosing the tree down. The only way they could completely extinguish it was by dropping it and cutting it up. They called Engine 39 for assistance and a bigger chain saw as well as expert a falling crew. We got out of their way and let them do their job and went about our business for the day. Eventually, the tree dropped itself and they were able to extinguish the brush, keep it wet and finish off the tree. Some stayed on watch through the night.
I can't imagine what could have happened if the Mtn. High Employee and us hadn't crossed paths on Blue Ridge Rd. We may have found it as we always check on the campers that overflow from Blueridge and Guffy on holiday weekends. But maybe not, we wouldn't be looking up per' say.
Talking to one of the water tenders at the staging area on Inspiration point said that they chase these down a lot after a storm and could pop up days, weeks after. Some burn out, some don't and drop, then spread.
This is were the lightning struck and blew a hole in the tree and started it's internal burn.
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Engine 37 arriving
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Hosing it down.
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This is were the tree finally fatigued from the fire burning in it's belly.
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Here is some of the air support staged at Inspiration point supporting the Iron Mtn. fire last weekend.
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Thanks Toolman for being out on patrol over the holiday weekend and locating that fire in the tree truck. I am glad that we did not end up having two major fires burning at the same time on the Angeles National Forest.
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the old saying, "if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it",I have never seen anything like the two tree and lightning posts. Lots going on out there,love you all for catching it photos! thank-you for photos and story. Looks like Wrightwood had a close call. I will be paying attention more after lightning storms!
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I don't know if anyone else has tried to hike Baden Powell recently, but yesterday when I went to Vincent Gap to hike Baden Powell, there was a sheriff's vehicle there and the officer told me that the Baden Powell and Big Horn Mine trails out of Vincent Gap are closely for now because of the William's Fire. I asked him when they will be reopened and he said he doesn't know for sure but thinks maybe tomorrow. It depends on the behavior of the fire today and tomorrow.
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the old saying, "if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it",I have never seen anything like the two tree and lightning posts. Lots going on out there,love you all for catching it photos! thank-you for photos and story. Looks like Wrightwood had a close call. I will be paying attention more after lightning storms!
We were in Mammoth over the summer, and it was the 20th Anniversary of the Rainbow Fire, which started unnoticed from a lightning strike burning inside of a tree. It was surprising how relatively barren the landscape appeared 20 yrs later.
Ya, we dodged a bullet. . . thank you to all involved!!!!
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We were in Mammoth over the summer, and it was the 20th Anniversary of the Rainbow Fire, which started unnoticed from a lightning strike burning inside of a tree. It was surprising how relatively barren the landscape appeared 20 yrs later.
Ya, we dodged a bullet. . . thank you to all involved!!!!
Yea no kidding, the probability of us being flagged down at the moment is mind bending. Should have bought a lotto ticket that day. When we got there, we could smell smoke but new it wasn't from the Iron fire to the south of us. We finally spotted the smoke billowing 60 ft. above us that led us to the tree. I'm just glad we were at the right place at the right time and crews responded as quickly as they could get up from Valyermo. They did all the work as trained professionals that they are and calling in the falling crew and 39 for back up. Some spent the night on watch to make sure everything was out. They looked spent the next morning when we went up again. Then, next day the Williams fire started.... could have been a strategical nightmare in the making if Frost was active also.
Tall trees, thank you for your service and being our boss. This is what we signed up for 6 yrs. ago and put the time in especially on heavy holiday weekends and hunting season. Snow play season..... that's another can of worms.
Speaking of hunting season, bow hunters are out since Sept. 1. our first sign off was Sept 1 so they are active now.
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To keep up with the latest news about our area of the forest, check out the Big Pines Ranger Station Facebook page.
When will Blue Ridge Road open?
Why is Angeles Crest still closed?
What's up with Jackson Lake?
These questions are answered on the Big Pines Ranger Station Facebook page...
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Blue Ridge Road is now open to Guffy Campground. It remains closed past that point to Slover Canyon and Lupine Campground due to extreme road damage caused by the thunderstorms we had last year.
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Robert, would you happen to know the ETA on repairing the road damage to Lupine Campground?
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Tall Trees will be able to answer that.
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The Forest Service road crew is schdeuled for maintenance in that area in late May and early July.
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Hey tall trees, Are the campgrounds open ? specifically blue ridge or Guffy
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Hey tall trees, Are the campgrounds open ? specifically blue ridge or Guffy
Oops sorry saw my answer above
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I drove up to Guffy a few days ago and noticed there's a gate across the road going down to Lupine. Does anyone know if that gate will be opened soon? Is it possible it's closed permanently (I hope not!)?
BTW, it was gorgeous up there, with north blown snow and ice coating the trees.
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It usually opens memorial day weekend
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I just returned from a drive and Blue Ridge Road is closed at the hwy. I guess I wasn't quick enough to get out there on a drive.
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I do not know who closed the gate but I did contact the fire station at Big Pines and they have reopened the gate.
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I do not know who closed the gate but I did contact the fire station at Big Pines and they have reopened the gate.
...I've heard stories that people who may be up to no good and don't want to be disturbed will close the gate behind them....maybe also place their own lock on the gate...
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Yes, the gate was open yesterday as well as Hwy 2 is now open all the way through to La Canada. As far as the gate down to Lupine and Slover, there was storm damage that was never repaired so the gate will remain closed until the damage is repaired. No dates that we've heard of.
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As far as the gate down to Lupine and Slover, there was storm damage that was never repaired so the gate will remain closed until the damage is repaired. No dates that we've heard of.
The road is scheduled to be repaired and opened by the first or second week of June.
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The ANF and SBNF Dispatch links at the top of the page don't appear to be working. They may have changed the IP address again. Here is the link you can follow for Dispatch and Resource Information:
Angeles National Forest:
http://www.wildcad.net/WCCA-ANF.htm
San Bernardino National Forest:
http://www.wildcad.net/WCCA-FICC.htm
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The road is scheduled to be repaired and opened by the first or second week of June.
Great! Thank you.
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The Grassy Hollow Visitor Center kicks off the 2013 Summer Activity Season with a PCT hike and a movie. Check out the Summer Schedule:
Grassy Hollow 2013 (http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/bigpines/GrassyHollow/GrassyHollow2013.pdf)
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The road is scheduled to be repaired and opened by the first or second week of June.
I was up at Inspiration Point this morning and noticed the "CLOSED" sign that was duct taped over the Lupine and Cabin Flat sign was torn off and lying on the ground. Does that mean the road is now open?
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If Bob opened the gate and removed the temporary closed sign and through it on the ground, I'd have to write him up. 8)
It's been up for awhile, the wind probably blew it off. When the road does open, motorized vehicles are still prohibited beyond Lupine. Hike in only and no fires allowed in Cabin Flat.
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I was there Wednesday and the sign was firmly attached. There was lots of duct tape on it. I'm just hoping this means the road is open......
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I've been told by the Forest Service person in charge of getting that road open that it would probably be closer to the end of the month before the road is cleared.
I'll be out tomorrow and will be checking on it.
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Great! Let us know what you find.
I've been told by the Forest Service person in charge of getting that road open that it would probably be closer to the end of the month before the road is cleared.
I'll be out tomorrow and will be checking on it.
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The road is still closed. Rumor has it they were supposed to have started working on it last week. I didn't see any evidence of that, so perhaps they'll start on it this next week.
We've put the CLOSED sign back up.
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Once again, the "Closed" sign for Lupine/Cabin Flat at Inspiration Point has been removed (and it's not lying on the ground either), but now there's a really small white sign that was probably underneath the big sign that also says "closed." Anyone know if that road is actually open yet and if it's been repaired? TIA!
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The road to Lupine over the wash out is easily passable by anything 4 wheel drive but I havent been down there since end of last summer.
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From the Big Pines Ranger Station FB page:
The Powerhouse Fire delayed the engineers from working on the road down into Lupine by about a month. They are scheduled to start working on the road this coming Monday, July 15th. It should only take a couple of days to get the road open.
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Thanks!!
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It's not clear from the above if the Big Pines area is affected at all or how much as two statements see contradictory.
Anybody have a more precise description of the changes proposed for this particular area?
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It's not clear from the above if the Big Pines area is affected at all or how much as two statements see contradictory.
Anybody have a more precise description of the changes proposed for this particular area?
Yes, there are some contradictions between the Map and the Proposal. For instance the map shows Vincent Gap as a no Fee or Free area. It isn't. The "tables" are correct. I talked to "the Boss" yesterday and Ron said they've been working on this proposal for a couple of years. For the Big Pines area, nothing has changed in the proposal from what we have been doing for the past summer. As you know, the "Recreation Fee Area" goes from Vincent Gap to Mountain High East and just West of Jackson Lake, yet we no longer have been citing those just parked along the side of the road or in turnouts within that area. We only have been citing those that are in locations described in the "tables" in the proprosal document. Another words, the campgrounds (Peavine, Apple Tree, Blue Ridge, Lupine, Guffy), Jackson Lake, picnic areas (Arch), day use areas (Grassy Hollow), Inspiration Point and Vincent Gap all require an Adventure Pass because they have "amenities" such as restrooms, firepits, BBQs, tables, benches and informational signage.
New proposed FREE or no FEE areas are the Table Mountain picnic area, Day Use turn outs along Table Mountain Road, The large Day Use turnout just below Arch Picnic Area, Cabin Flat and South Fork Trailhead. Again, we have not been citing cars just parked along side the road, like in Big Rock Creek for the past summer. The campgrounds in Big Rock Creek such as Big Rock, Sycamore and South Fork will still require Adventure Passes.
Snowplayers will no longer need Adventure Passes if parked along the side of the road and turnouts between the Big Pines Station and Inspiration Point. They will need them if they are parked along side of the road between the Big Pines Station to Mountain High East.
Again, nothing has really changed for the Big Pines area other than the fact we won't be writing citation for the thousands of snowplayers parked along side the road along Angeles Crest Hwy.
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I interpret the link RobertW provided as an outline of what has been suggested for months: that places with designated parking for picnic tables or trailheads or camping will continue to require 1-day or annual Adventure Pass...but parking legally along the side of Hwy 2, Blue Ridge Road, N4, etc. will not.
My persnickety nature makes me skeptical of "solicitations for comments/input from the public". It seems, no matter what, that the US Forest Service will widely adopt a policy that a court has ordered for one or two areas. The period of public comment is a bureaucratic hoop through which they must first jump.
They're so cute when they act like my opinion matters...maybe I will submit a comment anyway and get my pat on the head!
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Naturally, Robert's reply above is better, thanks.
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Cheapskate, I think you summed it up. The biggest changes will be those parking along Angeles Crest Hwy, Table Mountain Road, Blue Ridge Road and Big Pines Hwy. Even "Slover Canyon" and the trail head to Pine Mountain will no longer require a pass. As I mentioned we have really been implementing this for the past year in anticipation of the new Proposal.
I know I've said it before, but without these fees the restrooms would have to be closed, grafitti wouldn't get removed, trash cans and liners wouldn't be replaced, the Grassy Hollow Visitor Center would close, etc. All this and Volunteer Coordination is paid for by Adventure Pass monies. There is no provision for these necessary items in Congress' new budget. ;D
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I know I've said it before, but without these fees the restrooms would have to be closed, grafitti wouldn't get removed, trash cans and liners wouldn't be replaced, the Grassy Hollow Visitor Center would close, etc. All this and Volunteer Coordination is paid for by Adventure Pass monies. There is no provision for these necessary items in Congress' new budget. ;D
Don't worry, Robert. I'm sure everyone that is saving $5 or $30/yr (or 2 for $35) will use those monies and still come out ahead to bring not only a trash bag for themselves, but also one for those who forget them, as well as toilet paper to use in the bathrooms that are open...... ruh-roh, you think anybody will bring pooper scoopers to clean up after the unprepared in the areas where the bathrooms are closed? :o :o :o
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I think this Federal notice is procedual formality. Im reading between the lines but I guess the Forest Service can charge a fee for developments like picnic tables, parking, restrooms, and the like but they cant collect for parking along the highways. Are they going to tear down all those No Parking signs along Hwy 2?
To me I think the Forest Service should charge a bit more to get temp workers to cover the deluge of visitors that come up when a good dump of snow comes along. Lets face it....a handful of staff cant handle 10,000 people all at once.
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Out of curiosity, how many paid and volunteer staff do you think ther are on
1) snow season midweek
2) snow season weekend
3) snow season holiday
4) non-snow midweek
5) non-snow weekend
No cheating from USFS friends and family.
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To me I think the Forest Service should charge a bit more to get temp workers to cover the deluge of visitors that come up when a good dump of snow comes along. Lets face it....a handful of staff cant handle 10,000 people all at once.
I will say that the "260 Robert" units of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department do a good job. They will usually have at least one unit and at times two, patrolling the area during a good snowplay day. Their expertise is in Search & Rescue and handling injuries, but I've seen them write some parking tickets as well. They are a great resource to have and work well with those of us that are USFS Volunteers. But come to think of it they are Volunteers also, well, technically they are paid deputies. They get $1 a year. Getting a CHP unit up here is like pulling teeth, unless paid by Mt. High to watch their parking entrances.
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I will say that the "260 Robert" units of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department do a good job. They will usually have at least one unit and at times two, patrolling the area during a good snowplay day. Their expertise is in Search & Rescue and handling injuries, but I've seen them write some parking tickets as well. They are a great resource to have and work well with those of us that are USFS Volunteers. But come to think of it they are Volunteers also, well, technically they are paid deputies. They get $1 a year. Getting a CHP unit up here is like pulling teeth, unless paid by Mt. High to watch their parking entrances.
That's true, Bob, but they don't count for the topic question of USFS staffing.
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Jackson Lake Closure Order 01-13-05
Date: Dec 19, 2013
Pursuant to USC 551 and CFR 261.50(a), and to provide for public safety, the following act is prohibited within the Santa Clara Mojave Rivers Ranger District of the Angeles National Forest. This Order is effective from December 21, 2013 through March 31, 2014.
Order and Map:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5444335.pdf (http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5444335.pdf)
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New signs installed at Jackson Lake. Must have been in the last 36 hours as I did not see them on Wednesday.
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There at least five of these signs installed around the lake that I could see. These are in addition to the other smaller, keep off the ice signs.
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On the topic of Jackson Lake, the caretaker of Camp Coulter Pines across the street should keep their pitbull secured, not chasing people 50 yards down the road towards Big Pines Hwy. It would be a shame for people.........or the dog...........to be injured in some kind of incident as a result of unintentional...............or intentional.............negligence. I imagine that might be an issue for the Forest Service. It's their land, right?
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I wonder how long those new signs will survive. If history repeats itself, and probably will, they will be short lived.
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I don't quite follow the comment....vandals will destroy the signs? Or the Forest Service will change their mind and remove them?
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On the topic of Jackson Lake, the caretaker of Camp Coulter Pines across the street should keep their pitbull secured, not chasing people 50 yards down the road towards Big Pines Hwy. It would be a shame for people.........or the dog...........to be injured in some kind of incident as a result of unintentional...............or intentional.............negligence. I imagine that might be an issue for the Forest Service. It's their land, right?
I think you have the wrong camp associated with the dog. To the best of my knowledge, there is no one with a dog living at Coulter Pines. I believe the dog you speak of is from the people who live at the Hawthorne Youth Camp, which is next door to Coulter Pines. Put the blame and responsibility where it belongs... on the actual owner of the dog. If there is a problem with a dog, you should report it.
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Are they going to tear down all those No Parking signs along Hwy 2?
Highway 2 is a state highway. It would be up to Caltrans to decide if they needed to be removed.
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I ll bite Largomorph....How many folks are assigned on those various days?
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. I believe the dog you speak of is from the people who live at the Hawthorne Youth Camp, which is next door to Coulter Pines. Put the blame and responsibility where it belongs
The situation wasn't exactly conducive to lingering and taking note of which camp is which. It's the camp at the end of the road that begins on the north side of Big Pines Hwy directly across from Jackson Lake. Just don't blame me when the dog chases you halfway back down the road you just came up.
As for reporting it, there are board members here who tend the forest. They seem like the kind of people who care about stuff. They can do something or not...this is about as reporty as I want to get with it.
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I ll bite Largomorph....How many folks are assigned on those various days?
I'll take this one Largomorph. While there are exceptions the general staffing is as follows and it doesn't change just because it is a heavy snow play day.
Generally "Recreation" personnel working the Big Pines area, Area "38", (the Assistant Recreation Officer and REC 34) only work Monday through Friday and are off during the weekends. During the week you may find our LEOs, Edward 17 and/or Edward 12 patrolling our area as well. USFS "Fire" personnel (Engine 38, 338, 37 and Patrol 38) are staffed throughout the week and one of our Volunteers, Volunteer 335, is often helping with patrolling, water testing, etc.
As mentioned, paid USFS Recreation personnel is generally off on the weekend leaving only the Volunteers to handle Recreation duties and work with "Fire" personnel and the LEOs who are also staffed during the weekends. Of the Volunteer Pool, seven of which are the most active, you will usually find at least two out on the weekends.
You can always check the Resource Status on this website to check the staffing of Engine 38, 338, 37, Patrol 38 and our Edward units.
http://www.wildcad.net/WCCA-ANF.htm
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Yesterday Volunteers 332 and 334 were working. They report no violations of the Jackson Lake Closure Order and that while there were light to moderate levels of snow players along Angeles Crest Hwy, all were orderly and just having a good time. Outside of Inspiration Point everyone had their Adventure Passes displayed where they were required.
Angeles Crest Highway IS open to La Canada.
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Having just two people working Monday through Friday when most of the visitors are here on the weekends doesnt makes sense to me. Of course considering the magnitude of the area, having just two paid staff doesnt makes sense either. You might as well "pass the keys" to the public and say "help yourself and dont forget to lock up on the way out".
By the way, using acronyms like LEOs do not communicate a thing to me and very likely to others as well. Please spell it out.
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LEO = Law Enforcement Officer
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LEO = Law Enforcement Officer
They are the USFS Federal Cops that carry big guns. ;D
Leftfield, you'd be surprised how much just two paid REC people can get done along with the help of some of the Organizational Camps. All the trash cans that were filled to capacity over the weekend will be emptied and the restrooms will all be resupplied with TP. By Saturday, everything is ready for Forest Visitors. During heavy snow play days the Fenner Crew does a great job in cleaning up the hwy and turnouts of all the trash left behind.
There used to be three paid REC people before the Big Pines station closed, but with the help of the Volunteers I think you'll find that our area of the Forest is looking pretty good and the visitors to the Big Pines area are taken care of pretty well even with understaffing.
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Just heard ANF radio traffic indicating kids on the ice at Jackson Lake ::)
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ANF person reported back to dispatch that he explained to a dozen or more people the dangers of being on the ice. They all said they hadn't seen the signs.
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Park Service should count their blessings for all those "we dont have to but did it anyway" volunteers. I hope they will find some way to thank them but I ll add my kudos now...thanks volunteers and Merry Christmas
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Just heard ANF radio traffic indicating kids on the ice at Jackson Lake ::)
I have lived and worked in this area for the last 13 Christmas' and it is always a problem on Christmas Day. More so than any other day of the year. I am convinced that signs do not help. It will take enforcement by live bodies to inform the public and write citations if necessary. This forest is different than most others. It is too close to too many people who have no idea the dangers that are involved in something that they perceive as innocent fun. I hope that the FS is able to provide enough coverage to avoid another problem.
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It is a problem anywhere there is a large urban interface with "wild" lands. The Tonto out of Phoenix, the Coronado out of Tucson, and the Sandia district of the Cibola just outside of Albuquerque has a lot of the same issues. I joke with the other rangers here on the Cibola that "you deal with resource issues, I babysit flatlanders..." People have no concept of how dangerous things are just literally out of their back yard. We had one woman DEMANDING that New Mexico Game and Fish kill all of the mountain lions and bears in the Sandia Mountains so that it would be safe for her and her family to come and recreate in the National Forest. The whole "front range" on the east slope of the Rocky Mountains in Colorado get the flatlanders from Denver (and tourists) coming up to do "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!" activities. People have just become so removed from nature they really don't have a clue. Plus, there is no "resiliency" anymore. When I saw people throwing tantrums over their packages being 1-2 days late from UPS or FedEx I just kept thinking to myself, "was it only 2-3 generations ago that this country went thru the Great Depression and World War II, the Korean Conflict, and the Cold War where we thought the entire world was going to be blown up?" I am so sick of the "my life is supposed to be PERFECT--and if my life isn't PERFECT it is YOUR FAULT that my life is not PERFECT!" (can you tell I had a bad day dealing with the woman SCREAMING at me because I told her she could not decorate the trees along the highway that were on National Forest land...."
The problem with having people work on Christmas Day is it is a federal holiday. That means, you have to pay double time (up to eight hours of holiday worked along with their administrative leave pay) and 1.5 after 8 hours. With our limited budgets, that's one of the things that goes out the window. Here on my current district, we can barely afford Memorial Day, 4th of July, and Labor Day along with Sunday differential. Outside of the summer season, we don't have anyone working on Sundays in recreation because we just don't have the money to cover it. Heck, I had to sign an emergency requisition to purchase toilet paper back in September!
O.K. I'll get off my :soap:
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k9lvr, I really do think you need a reality show. Maybe your own YouTube channel??? If CA Fish and Wildlife can do it, so can you! But I'd PAY to watch yours!!! Hugs! (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs36/f/2008/258/2/7/Sloth_by_Oktanas.gif)
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They are the USFS Federal Cops that carry big guns. ;D
Leftfield, you'd be surprised how much just two paid REC people can get done along with the help of some of the Organizational Camps. All the trash cans that were filled to capacity over the weekend will be emptied and the restrooms will all be resupplied with TP. By Saturday, everything is ready for Forest Visitors. During heavy snow play days the Fenner Crew does a great job in cleaning up the hwy and turnouts of all the trash left behind.
There used to be three paid REC people before the Big Pines station closed, but with the help of the Volunteers I think you'll find that our area of the Forest is looking pretty good and the visitors to the Big Pines area are taken care of pretty well even with understaffing.
TP = Toilet Paper ;D
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I had to travel to Frenchman's Flat today to take some photographs for a report. Frenchmen's Flat is located at Piru Creek adjacent to the boundary of the Angeles National Forest and the Los Padres National Forest near Oak Flats west of Interstate 5. I always wondered why this place was named Frenchman's Flat? In the 1800"s settlers in the Tejon Pass found an oak tree that was inscribed "Peter Lebec killed by a grizzly bear" they then named the town site Lebec. Fur trappers from the Hudson Bay Fur company in Canada were all over the Western US trapping beaver in those early days and many of them were French or French speaking dialect from up north. Perhaps Pete Lebec was trapping beaver on the Piru creek and the Frenchman's Flat area was named after him.
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Makes sense.
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Blue Ridge Road has now been opened for the season. Blue Ridge and Guffy Campgrounds are now accessible to the public.
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GREAT!!!! Thank you.
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It's also worth mentioning that highway 2 is open as well....although I prefer people not knowing it :)
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Any word on when or if the road to Lupine will be opened?
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The gate at Guffy was open yesterday. We drove out Blue Ridge to the top of Swarthout Cyn and did some hiking. There are some large boulders that have been pushed just barely out of the way and there has definitely been some traffic that went down.
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Not until the FS road engineers evaluate the conditions from past storms. It may stay closed again this year too. It will be posted when one of us gets updated information.
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The gate at Guffy was open yesterday. We drove out Blue Ridge to the top of Swarthout Cyn and did some hiking. There are some large boulders that have been pushed just barely out of the way and there has definitely been some traffic that went down.
You may find the gate open from time to time as Forest Vehicles go in to inspect the conditions and don't want to lock people behind the gate, but technically the road is closed. While the road may be passible to Jeeps and other 4x4 vehicles, the road is shown on Forest maps as being passible by an average car or sedan. If that isn't the case, as are current conditions because of storm damage a couple of years ago, the Forest Service must keep the road closed so that a car doesn't get itself stuck down there. As you know it is a long way from civilization and there is NO Cell Service. Only HAM radio operators or those with Forest Service radios are able to radio out for help.
The road was never cleared last year because of the many fires that prevenedt heavy equipment to get around to clearing it. I've been told by the Assistant Recreation Officer for our District that he hopes to meet with Forest Service Road Engineers soon to develop a plan to get the road open. An idea has also been tossed around of "decommissioning" the road and making Lupine a "trail camp" to be accessible by 4x4 vehicles only.
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So many spots around the ANF sit "decommissioned". That would be a shame.
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California Campfire Permits are now available online:
http://www.preventwildfireca.org/Campfire-Permit/ (http://www.preventwildfireca.org/Campfire-Permit/)
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Typically the Department of Fish and Game usually starts stocking Jackson Lake with Trout in May. In checking their website there are no future "plants" planned or listed. I suspect this is because of the low condition of the Lake, or should we now say "pond". While I see people fishing, I suspect the only fish in Jackson Lake are the Goldfish.
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I have heard that CA DFW will not stock any trout until the conditions of Jackson Lake are improved. The problems are the non-native koi/carp/goldfish and the non-native aquatic plants/grass that is growing in the lake. If you go look at the lake right now, you will see the overgrowth of the aquatic grass. It is quite bad this year.
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I would think trout habitat will continue to decline until (IF) we some decent snow next winter. Which means probably no trout stocking this spring/summer/fall.
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The Lake did rise two feet with the 7" of rain we got from the two storms back in March, but that wasn't enough to really help. I think it is interesting that the beach is growing bushes which are quite large. I suppose the Fenner Crew will have to go in an clear them before the lake rises this next fall and winter or they could become a hazard to swimmers. (You notice I'm still putting my hope in a strong El Nino this year which will bring the lake back up to where it should be)..
Well at least the Goldfish seem to be doing very well in the lake.
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I've been told that the CDFG has actually contacted the USFS Biologist to see whether they should start restocking Jackson Lake. They were given the OK to do so. So, it looks like Jackson Lake will be put back on the "plant" schedule. Good news for fisherman. Nothing like catching fish out of a barrel. ;D
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I've been told that the CDFG has actually contacted the USFS Biologist to see whether they should start restocking Jackson Lake. They were given the OK to do so. So, it looks like Jackson Lake will be put back on the "plant" schedule. Good news for fisherman. Nothing like catching fish out of a barrel. ;D
That is great news! :2thumbsup: If it actually happens. ??? The children who attend the various summer camps in the area will be excited to catch a "real" fish!
Thank you for the update.
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District Ranger Bob Blount wants the public to know that road 3N39 to Lupine Camp Ground will be reopened on Friday Oct 24, 2014.
The road, past Lupine to Cabin Flat, has been decommissioned for years. People are driving ATVs on it and we request that they honor the fact that it has been decommissioned. The few can jeopardize the road opening for all.
Bob Blount
District Ranger
Santa Clara Mojave Rivers Ranger District
Angeles National Forest
33708 Crown Valley Road
Acton, CA 93510
661-269-2808 Ext: 225
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BLUE RIDGE ROAD OPENS
Blue Ridge Road is now open to Guffy Campground. This is nearly a month earlier than it usually opens but according to Ron Heinig, the Assistant Recreation Officer with the SCMR Ranger District: "With the lack of snow there is no reason the public shouldn't be allowed to enjoy it".
Ron said that crews from Camp Fenner have been busy cleaning up Blue Ridge and Guffy Campgrounds in preparation for the road's opening.
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The State will be stocking Jackson Lake this year according to ANF District Ranger Bob Blount
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Anyone know if Angeles Crest is open?
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It is not open. I hear the 17th is the date.
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The initial estimate by the Caltrans Superintendent was April 15.
As of yesterday:
The work is going well. There are a couple of pieces of equipment that have recently gone to the shop for repairs. The current progress is just past Dawson Saddle. He'll give me a target date once the equipment has returned to the work site.
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Thanks!
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The State will be stocking Jackson Lake this year according to ANF District Ranger Bob Blount
they better add some water, last week it looked about 1/3 the size of the lake at the country club.
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The State will be stocking Jackson Lake this year according to ANF District Ranger Bob Blount
It will be like shooting fish in a barrel. ;D
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Stocking the lake with what?? Lizards?
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...the Lizard Fish is saltwater, exclusively ;D.
Caught one of those off of one of our piers once...
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The State will be stocking Jackson Lake this year according to ANF District Ranger Bob Blount
Looks like they may need to add some water.
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Thanks to Elk for taking these photos 4-22-15
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I hope they bring the small tank truck when they stock. Looks like it could support 2,.... maybe 3 fish.
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The lake is in very sad condition given the drought. Now... if we could only get the USFS to thin/clear the vegetation from the banks/shore area. The Fenner crews have done outstanding work on the shoreline vegetation thinning in the past. "Maybe" (that is a HUGE maybe) with the new Monument status and desire to make the forest more accessible for recreation purposes while preserving resources, they will find the money and resources to do it while the conditions are naturally conducive. When the drought conditions change (hopefully soon) the lake will be in much better condition and more accessible for all to enjoy.
Back to the conditions... I have not seen the lake in this bad of condition since my first experience in 2001. As a former camp director in that area I have spent hundreds of hours at the lake and drove passed it every day for nearly 14 years. After seeing the conditions today, I would begin to question whether or not it is safe for use by youth summer campers. I did not take the time today to make that determination but from what I saw from a distance it is very questionable.
I hope mother nature brings some rain/precip to Jackson Lake!
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Grassy Hollow Summer Programs have started. Here are a TWO that are coming up in the next week or so. These programs are FREE of charge, donations are welcome.
SATURDAY , JUNE 6TH GEOLOGY OF THE AREA
What's underfoot in the San Gabriel Mtn.?
Time 1:00 pm
Location Grassy Hollow
Leader Loren Schneider, Teacher, Serrano H.S.
SATURDAY, JUNE 13th PCT LOOP HIKE
5 mile rt. trail. Moderate due to length of hike.
Time 10:00 am
Location Grassy Hollow
Leader Sabrina Johnson
MORE TO COME AS THE WEEKS GO ON, SO STAY TUNED!!
Schedule will soon be listed at grassyhollow.net and Mountain Progress. Also posted at Jensen's, kiosk in hardware store parking lot and at available at Grassy Hollow.
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Have the goldfish been removed?
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Have the goldfish been removed?
We will never get rid of those. While on patrol I had some people complain to me that a couple of people were catching WAY OVER their limit of fish, maybe 60 or 70. Upon investigation I found a couple using poles with no reels, just long bobbers to snag little goldfish. They indeed were very successful and had maybe 100 of them. Apparently they are a delicacy in some cultures. I told them there was no limit on the goldfish and they could catch every one of them in the lake if they could. LOL!
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CAMPFIRES ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED IN THE ANGELES NATIONAL FOREST!
ORDER NO. 05-01 -16-07 FIRE USE RESTRICTIONS
ANGELES NATIONAL FOREST
Pursuant to 16 USC 551 and 36 CPR 261.50(a) and (b}, and to provide for public safety and protect natural resources, the following acts are prohibited within the Angeles National Forest. This order is effective from September 8, 2016, through the end of the official 2016 fire season.
1. Building, maintaining, attending or using a fire, campfire, or stove fire. 36 CPR 261.52(a).
2. Smoking, except within an enclosed vehicle or building, or within a Developed Campground that is barren of all flammable materials for at least three feet in diameter. 36 CPR 261.52(d).
3. Welding, or operating an acetylene or other torch with open flame. 36 CPR 261.52(i).
4. Discharging a firearm. 36 CPR 261.58(m).
Pursuant to 36 CPR 261.50(e), the following persons are exempt from this Order:
1. Persons with a permit from the Forest Service specifically authorizing the otherwise prohibited act or omission.
2. Any Federal, State or local officer, or member of an organized rescue or fire fighting force in the performance of an official duty.
3. Persons hunting a legal game bird or mammal are not exempt from the prohibition s listed above. However, a person hunting during the open hunting season for that bird or mammal as specified by the laws of the State of California, and having a valid California hunting license in his or her possession, may discharge a firearm at the legal game bird or mammal.
4. Persons with a valid California Campfire Permit are not exempt from the prohibitions listed above. However, persons with a valid California Campfire Permit may use portable lanterns or stoves using gas, jellied petroleum, or pressurized liquid fuel within a Developed Campground.
These prohibitions are in addition to the general prohibitions in 36 CFR Part 261, Subpart A.
A violation of these prohibitions is punishable by a fine of not more than $5,000 for an individual or $ I 0,000 for an organization, or imprisonment for not more than six months, or both. 16 USC 551 and 1 8 USC 3559, 3571, and 3581.
Done at Arcadia, California this 7th day of September 2016.
Jeffrey Vail
Forest Supervisor
Angeles National Forest
This Order supersedes Forest Order 05-01-16-04, dated January 29, 2016.
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How is such a thing communicated to visitors? And one would think that a temporary OHV restriction should coincide with this.
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Campfire rings will be bagged and covered with signage alerting the public. Concession Campground campers will be notified by the camp hosts. And as always we suggest that forest visitors check the USFS "Know before you go" website before visiting the forest.
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CAMPFIRES ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED IN THE ANGELES NATIONAL FOREST!
Personally, I am surprised this did not come sooner.
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As am I. With all of the commentary about the surprising nature of the Blue Cut fire I thought that would result a realization that we are in an exceptional, perhaps unprecedented, situation. If you have watched closely, vegetation seems confused about what season it is in. A year or two ago many cottonwood trees didn't even behave as if there was a winter. They stayed green throughout, then lost some of their leaves in the spring IIRC. This year, I see many plants behaving as if fall arrived a month or two ago, starting to drop leaves but not turning yellow. Maybe a response to summer heat, but I think plants are confused regarding what season it is.
Anyhow given the number of fires since I actually thought we would see a full closure of forest as we saw after whatever that record fire was about 10 years ago. Still, I think OHV areas and vehicle trails should be closed. It doesn't take much for a bike or quad to knock a couple rocks together, or maybe have another mechanical issue and create a spark.
Easy for me to armchair quarterback though - I don't have to deal with running the balance in the forest.
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No Golfing Joe 8)
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Angeles_NF
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The Fire Danger Level is Extreme - That means no building, maintaining, or using a fire, campfire (even in a fire ring) or bbq stove.
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Just curious, what about a backyard propane BBQ grill on a completely clean concrete patio, with lots of clearance and stone retaining walls nearby?
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Although you are surrounded by forest, you are perfectly fine having a gas BBQ. I am pretty sure the restriction is on BBQ's that use some sort of fuel like briquets that can give off sparks when it burns.
In the 70's, you had to come into the WW fire station and get a BBQ permit. We would come out to your house and look at where you were set up and how the clearance was. That was the days of briquets and I don't remember too many gas outfits. You are just fine and I have it on good authority, you are prone to act responsibly. :)
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Thanks, Jim. :)
I remember having to get BBQ permits years ago, as I started coming to WW as a weekender in 1965 and have lived here full time since 1977. With this new restriction because of the drought, I just wanted to double check.
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...and charcoal? ???
Charcoal is simply fuel in preburned form. We ignite it with paper or lighter fluid. It throws sparks and when dumped on the ground, will remain burning for hours and flare up in the wind. You have to remember, 90% of wild fires are caused by man. Cooking fires of any sort are a leading cause. Mike and Robert have seen hundreds of these left burning in makeshift fire rings in their duties patrolling on the Angeles. Frankly, conditions now are worse then the last time they closed the entire forest to any recreation few years back. Won't be surprised if that isn't considered sooner then later.
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Now that the Big Pine Ranger Station Facebook Page has been shut down, all Big Pines related information that was previously shared on that page will now be presented on the official "Angeles National Forest - San Gabriel Mountains National Monument", government sanctioned Facebook Page. Check it out and "follow":
https://www.facebook.com/angelesnationalforest/
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Who shut it down? I can guess, but that's all it would be.
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Who shut it down? I can guess, but that's all it would be.
The Big Pines Ranger Station Facebook Page was not an officially sanctioned USFS page, though the Admins either worked for or volunteered for the Forest Service. Many people thought it was an official USFS page even though it stated in the disclaimer that it wasn't. A communique came down from the Washington and Regional Offices of the USFS that all information disseminated to the media and the public should be done through official government sanctioned sites on Facebook and Twitter. Each National Forest has an official Facebook Page and Twitter account. During the administration transition there was a stand down on all social media emanating from the USFS and they didn't want posts going out to the public from sites that appeared to be official government sites but weren't. That stand down has now been lifted and things are now back to normal.
The Admins of the BP page were asked to either shut down the page to avoid confusion or to change the splash screen to make it very clear it was NOT an official USFS Facebook Page. Since the Admins of the official "Angeles National Forest - San Gabriel Mountains National Monument" Facebook page enjoyed the posts on the BP page and acknowledged that our part of the forest needed the attention that the BP page was giving it, they invited the Admins of the BP Page to become Admins on the official site and to continue the posts there.
This affected other unofficial Facebook pages as well including those run by Hotshot Crews and other USFS Fire personnel. So those pages have been renamed to ALT ... sites or make it very clear they are not officially associated with the USFS. The Admins for the Big Pines Ranger Station Facebook Page felt it was just easier to move over to the official site.
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Well isn't that just........."great".
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U.S. Forest Service ?@forestservice 26 minutes ago
With our digital map you can digitally explore and plan your next adventure from home before you even hit the road: https://www.fs.fed.us/ivm/ (https://www.fs.fed.us/ivm/)
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Angeles National Forest
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Want to wish you a happy holiday season. Please note, that our offices will be closed on Christmas and New Year's Day. See graphic for visitor center hours.
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With the government shut down how is the San Gabriel Mountains National Monument impacted?
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With the government shut down how is the San Gabriel Mountains National Monument impacted?
This is the statement on the banner across the top of the ANF/SGMNM website this morning.
This USDA website will not be updated during a lapse in federal funding. Content on this website will not be current or maintained until funding issues have been resolved. However, if there is information that affects security, life, and property, this website will continue to update that information during a funding lapse
From what I understand, only Fire and Law Enforcement activities will continue during the government shutdown.
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all volunteer activity is stopped because of the shut down. Grassy Hollow will not be able to reopen this weekend.
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Here is a map the ANF released on their Twitter page.
@Angeles_NF
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how did this news release happened? I thought the feds are closed down.
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how did this news release happened? I thought the feds are closed down.
The shutdown ended on Monday after 3 days with a deal struck on a short term (3 week) funding bill.
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This was posted by ANF yesterday, 1/31/2018 @ 6pm. This prescribed burning would be taking place today if conditions permit.
Angeles_NF Verified account
@Angeles_NF
14h14 hours ago
#SMOKE ADVISORY: Prescribed burning will begin tomorrow morning in the San Dimas Canyon area. Burning will cease at noon. #HealthyForests #FireWise
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Angeles_NF @Angeles_NF
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Sonny Perdue, Secretary of Agriculture, stopped by the Angeles today to discuss fire restoration! How exciting! Thank you to the @SecretarySonny and his staff for the honor of hosting. #OneUSDA #FireRestoration
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This is the first time I have seen a Secretary wear an Orvis shirt with the USDA logo. They usually wear a suit. He looks like he works for Edison or the Gas Company. First they took away our green trucks and now they take away our green uniforms and make us look like utility workers.
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He isn't wearing a Forest Service uniform because he isn't Forest Service. USFS is one agency under the USDA, which he heads. It is a big deal when a Cabinet member visits, he wasn't here to make a fashion statement.
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Angeles National Forest
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9:30am
Just returned from a trip to the snow play areas in Big Pines . There is NO snow anywhere that is accesible from the road for snow play. We only reveived rain for the past 2 days up to about the 7000' level.
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Robert Garcia
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Jan 26
Fire Danger on the Angeles National Forest is HIGH today. Limit campfires to campgrounds and picnic areas.
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Angeles_NF
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Last month we collaborated w/ @CaliforniaDFW
to conduct aquatic habitat improvement at Jackson Lake. Over 300 non-native fish were captured; many were goldfish, roughly 10% carp, and 2 bullhead catfish. We were also able to capture 6 red-eared slider turtles, and one box turtle.
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Angeles_NF
@Angeles_NF
Closure UPDATE: The USFS emergency closure order for the Angeles National Forest expired last night. Much of the ANF reopens today, Oct 9. Please note: BURN ZONES remain CLOSED for public safety, fire recovery & restoration. THANK YOU for your patience & understanding! #ANF
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Angeles_NF @Angeles_NF
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The Vincent Gap trail heads will be seeing some major changes as construction begins today on new fencing, restroom repairs, and trail work. The main, south parking area will see resurfacing, while the north turnout will be inaccessible due to dirt. Thank you for your patience!
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So I've drove up to WW a dozen or so times since mthigh opened. I was surprised to see how incinerated the area between Big Rock Creek and Mile High was. I also noticed the little cabin on the right in that area burned. My folks neighbor Mike Highland built that place years ago. He also built my folks house over by Littlerock Dam.
After years of seeing Camp Elk between mile high and Jackson Lake it occurred to me the other day there might be a relation between the camp and the Moderator who goes by Elk on the forum?
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After years of seeing Camp Elk between mile high and Jackson Lake it occurred to me the other day there might be a relation between the camp and the Moderator who goes by Elk on the forum?
Hmmm! ;D
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Hmmm! ;D
All these years of driving by and I drive by last week and it just came to me.. lol
It was a comment you made about being a little closer to Mile High than the folks in WW.
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My neighbor said that the ANF will open up again this Friday at noon. Can somebody confirm this? Thanks.
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Can't confirm until something official is released by the Forest Service. I can assure something will be posted here when it's in writing.
My neighbor said that the ANF will open up again this Friday at noon. Can somebody confirm this? Thanks.
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Forest Service, Pacific Southwest Region@usfs_r5
Forest Service Ending Regional Closure Order Two Days Early;
Five Forests to Remain Closed Under Local Orders till 9/22 - @LosPadresNF, @Angeles_NF, @SanBernardinoNF, & @ClevelandNF.
The @EldoradoNF remains closed till 9/30.
https://fs.usda.gov/main/r5/home
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Angeles National Forest
@Angeles_NF
Our fire danger level has been moved from EXTREME to CRITICAL. This means all fires are potentially serious. Please observe the emergency forest closure order and help us #PreventWildfires
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The San Bernardino N.F is scheduled to reopen Thursday. Some FS roads near HWY 330 and HWY 38 will remain closed.
Sincerely,
Art Lozano (USFS)
From: Behrens, Zachary - FS <zachary.behrens@usda.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 7:23:21 PM
To: FS-r5_san_bernardino <r5_san_bernardino@usda.gov>
Subject: FW: San Bernardino National Forest to reopen Thursday
All,
Please see the press release below about the Forest reopening this Thursday. Here are some quick highlights pulled from below:
The Forest reopens on Thursday (12:00 a.m.)
The South Fire Closure Area will be lifted at the same time
Other long-term closures will remain in effect (e.g. El Dorado Fire, Apple Fire, Deep Creek, etc)
1N09 (b/w Hwy 330 and Bear Creek), 1N16 and 1N13 will remain closed.
1N34 will remain closed.
Fire restrictions remain in effect.
Please reach out if you have any questions. Thank you!
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Even though it's hunting season, please be a dear and follow all the regulations and closures. We've heard many hunters have entered the Bobcat Fire closure area. If you get caught, you might catch a citation instead of a buck. Below is a map of the Bobcat Fire closure area.
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I believe deer hunting season ended 11-7-21 but bear season remains open
https://www.huntersguides.com/california-hunting-season/
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What is the Angeles National Forest? In what way does it differ from the San Gabriel National Monument? If I buy a lift ticket at Mt High, do I count towards either's statistics?
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Of course, the 2 national parks used for comparison have guard gates where one must pay a hefty fee. Apples and oranges.
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No guard gate on MRCA controlled land but they do keep a very close eye on their land. I've often thought they had more stringent rules than National Parks. One can easily stumble into these areas and face some hefty fines.
https://mrca.ca.gov/rules/