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Incident: 00598 Type: Report of Fire Location: I15 S No / Kenwood Ave Loc Desc: I15 S NO KENWOOD AVE Lat/Lon: 34.249376 -117.442305
Detail Information
10:39 AM 5 [9] FOR FIRE
10:38 AM 4 [6] 75-CZP1 HAS VISUAL OF FIRE SB 15 JNO KENWOOD, JSO CLEGHORN // 2 MILES JNO KENWOOD
10:38 AM 3 [16] [Appended, 10:40:50] [2] 4-5 PEOPLE PULLED TO SIDE OF RD TAKING PICS
10:38 AM 2 [15] [Appended, 10:40:50] [1] BRUSH FIRE
10:37 AM 1 [13] [Appended, 10:40:50] [4] [Appended, 10:39:58] [1] FIRE JUST STARTING TO BLAZE - TRANS TO SB COMM CENTER
Unit Information
10:39 AM 1 Unit Assigned
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About 2 acres
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Incident: 00598 Type: Report of Fire Location: I15 S No / Kenwood Ave Loc Desc: I15 S NO KENWOOD AVE Lat/Lon: 34.249376 -117.442305
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10:49 AM 7 [47] PER 75-152 1/4 MILE AWAY FROM FWY AT THIS POINT, OUT W/CAL FIRE NOW
10:48 AM 6 [45] 75-152 / FIRE WILL BE AT BLUE CUT
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Full air response
2nd alarm
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Incident: 00598 Type: Report of Fire Location: I15 S No / Kenwood Ave Loc Desc: I15 S NO KENWOOD AVE Lat/Lon: 34.249376 -117.442305
Detail Information
10:53 AM 9 [53] A75-152A WINDS BLOWING WEST, AWAY FROM FWY / FIRE 97 MAY WANT TO SHUT DOWN CLEGHORN // WILL NEED FOR AIR DROP
10:52 AM 8 [56] [Appended, 10:54:28] [2] RP ADVG SMOKE FROM MOUNTAINS ON SB SIDE OF THE 15
10:49 AM 7 [47] PER 75-152 1/4 MILE AWAY FROM FWY AT THIS POINT, OUT W/CAL FIRE NOW
10:48 AM 6 [45] 75-152 / FIRE WILL BE AT BLUE CUT
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Pushing up slope - winds pushing smoke away from Fwy
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Detail Information
10:55 AM 11 [65] [Appended, 10:57:10] [2] FIRE DEPT ON SCENE
10:55 AM 10 [64] [Appended, 10:57:10] [1] FLAMES STARTING TOWARDS THE FRWY - TRANS TO SB COMM CENTER
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Shut down Old Cajon - from Cleghorn to Kenwood
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3 helicopters and 4 air tankers in route
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Fire has potential to jump Old Cajon
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Reduce air tanker request to 2
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SB County Fire ?@SBCOUNTYFIRE 2 minutes ago
DEVORE:(update) Fire is at 2 acres w/ fast rate of spread. #SBCoFD units will be assisting @SanBernardinoNF
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Facebook
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5 acres - heavy fuels
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Holding at 4 acres
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 3 minutes ago
#BluecutFire - 5 acres in heavy fuels w/ 10mph winds. PIO Poole enroute. @SBCOUNTYFIRE @CALFIREBDU @Caltrans8
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Facebook video
(https://www.facebook.com/rhostman/videos/10205270918732928/)
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Per IC - Initiate evacuation of Swarthout Canyon - fire has spotted
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IC - Close Swarthout between Cajon and Lone Pine
7 air tankers on order
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OH No...
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Incident: 00598 Type: Report of Fire Location: N Cajon Blvd / Swarthout Canyon Rd Loc Desc: VISUAL I15 S NO KENWOOD AVE Lat/Lon: 34.275219 -117.451503
Detail Information
11:31 AM 19 [118] [Notification] [CHP]-PER FIRE - REQUESTING IMMEDIATE CLOSURE OF C AJON BTW SWARTHOUT CANYON AND LONE PINE [Shared]
11:30 AM 18 [115] [Notification] [CHP]-FIRE ON FIRE ICOMM ADVD THEY HAVE IMMEDIATE EMERG TO STRUCTURE DUE TO THE FIRE - THEY ARE REQUESTING THE ASSIST FRM SBSO ON FIRE ICOMM FOR EVACUATION [Shared]
11:13 AM 17 [98] 75-151A HARD CLOSURE SET UP CAJON / KENWOOD FOR NB TRAFFIC
11:10 AM 16 [95] [Notification] [CHP]-WILL THE CLOSURE BE ON THE FWY OR OFF THE FWY ? [Shared]
11:08 AM 15 [101] [Appended, 11:15:25] [3] 1039 TRANSFER TO SB COMM CENTER
11:08 AM 14 [99] [Appended, 11:15:25] [1] POSS SEPARATE FIRE
11:00 AM 13 [70] [Appended, 11:03:15] [1] BRUSH FIRE
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Immediate threat to structures in (lower) Swarthout area
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Per IC - Shut down Lone Pine Caynon at Hwy 138
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Incident: 00598 Type: Report of Fire Location: N Cajon Blvd / Swarthout Canyon Rd Loc Desc: VISUAL I15 S NO KENWOOD AVE Lat/Lon: 34.275219 -117.451503
Detail Information
11:37 AM 24 [129] A75-152A FIRE JUMPED OVER TO SWARTHOUT/ HAVE CORDS SHUT DOWN CLEGHORN X CAJON
11:36 AM 23 [128] Secondary Location for A75-105B: CLOSURE AT LONE PINE.
11:35 AM 22 [124] [Notification] [CHP]-1039 75-S4 REF LINE 122 - BRING 75-105 TO HANDLE LONE PINE CLOSURE [Shared]
11:35 AM 21 [123] [Notification] [CHP]-CO RDS SAYS THE MOTORISTS WILL GET STUCK IF CLEGHORN IS NOT CLOSED ALSO - LET ME KNOW ON LL W/CO RDS [Shared]
11:34 AM 20 [122] [Notification] [CHP]-ASC FRM UNIT OR SGT IF THEY WANT SB CO ROADS TO CLOSE DOWN CAJON AT CLEGHORN ALSO - THEY COPY THAT FIRE DEPT WANTS CAJON BTW SWARTHOUT CANYON AND LONE PINE CLOSED ALSO [Shared]
11:31 AM 19 [118] [Notification] [CHP]-PER FIRE - REQUESTING IMMEDIATE CLOSURE OF C AJON BTW SWARTHOUT CANYON AND LONE PINE [Shared]
11:30 AM 18 [115] [Notification] [CHP]-FIRE ON FIRE ICOMM ADVD THEY HAVE IMMEDIATE EMERG TO STRUCTURE DUE TO THE FIRE - THEY ARE REQUESTING THE ASSIST FRM SBSO ON FIRE ICOMM FOR EVACUATION [Shared]
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KABC
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Large power outage expected
7 air tankers requested
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http://abc7.com/live/
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3 additional type 1 helicopters
VLAT requested
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 1 minute ago
#BluecutFire 300 acres
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IC requesting Hwy 138 shut down
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IC order gel task force
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Requesting full closure I15 north and south
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Per IC : Evacuations requested for West Cajon Valley
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 11 seconds ago
#bluecutfire - mandatory evacs for West Cajon Valley Hwy 2 to I-15 @SBCOUNTYFIRE @sbcountysheriff
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For those with scanner ability: 171.4750
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Channel 9 reporting 1,000 acres
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ABC7 is streaming live now. http://abc7.com/live/
Does't look good
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 38m38 minutes ago
#bluecutfire - mandatory evacs for West Cajon Valley Hwy 2 to I-15 @SBCOUNTYFIRE @sbcountysheriff
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 41m41 minutes ago
#BluecutFire Hwy 138 closed from Hwy 2 to Summit Valley RD
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 1m1 minute ago
#BlueCutFire evacuations ordered for Lytle Creek.
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Are residents being allowed up Highway 2?
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Snowline School District - Wrightwood Elementary School is recommending that all parents come and pick up their children from Wrightwood Elementary school as soon as possible.
I conformed this info by calling the school personally.
ELK
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As of approx 15 mins ago- yes. I tried to get to WCV to evacuate pets and was not allowed in.
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K-FROG RadioVerified account ?@KFROGRadio 58s59 seconds ago
#BlueCutFire evacuation center at Jesse Turner Community Center in Fontana
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Man,, at least on my computer .. this site is having some tech problems. Looking at how many folks are monitoring I can understand. Channel 9 is covering live as of now. cheryl o7o
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 55s56 seconds ago
#BlueCutFire estimated 1500 acres
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From CHP Dispatch:
12:36 PM 66 [250] [Notification] [CHP]-FOREST SVC IS ADVISING THEY HAVE 2 FIREFIGHTERS INJURED THEIR FIRE ENGINE WAS OVERRUN AND THEY ARE SENDING OUT 2 AMBS AND AN AIR AMB /AIRSHIP [Shared]
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Incident: 00093 Type: Report of Fire Location: N Cajon Blvd / Swarthout Canyon Rd Loc Desc: VISUAL I15 S NO KENWOOD AVE Lat/Lon: 34.275219 -117.451503
Detail Information
1:08 PM 88 [308] PER UPRR 7523 UPRR AND BNSF TRAIN TRAFFIC IS STOPPED [Shared]
1:08 PM 87 [306] PER UPRR 7523 ON UHF2 CH ADVD THEY HAVE UPRR UNITS RESPONDING TO THE CP - PER FOREST SVC ON FIRE IC ADVD CP IS CAJON / BLUE CUT FOR NOW BUT WILL BE POS MOVING IT [Shared]
1:07 PM 86 [305] 1039 UPRR - TRAIN MANAGMENT ENRT TO SCENE [Shared]
1:06 PM 85 [303] CT UNITS ARE DIVERTING TRAFFIC FROM NB 15 AT GLENN HELEN TO 215 SB (:HARD CLOSURE) 86215 [Shared]
1:03 PM 84 [299] 1039 BNSF - CONFIRMED WITH THEIR DISPATCH THEY DONT HAVE ANY TRAINS WITHIN A 2 MILES OF FIRE - COMM CENTER WAS CONTACTING THEM AND UPRR EARLIER TO GET THAT TRAIN MOVED [Shared]
1:02 PM 83 [296] PER 75-S4 - FIND OUT WHOS TRAIN IS ON THE TRACKS NEAR THE FIRE AND HAVE IT MOVED [Shared]
1:01 PM 82 [295] 75-202A LOTS OF FIRE PERSONNEL NEAR OAK FLAT RD, UNK WHICH FIRE PERSON TO CONTACT [Shared]
1:00 PM 81 [293] PER 75-L1 FIRST ADVD OLD CAJON / BLUE CUT CP 98 75-S8 //MEDIA // CANNOT COME INSIDE BUT CAN STOP AT FIRE TRKS AND WALK UP TO COMMAND POST [Shared]
12:59 PM 80 [292] 75-D9 EVACATING MC D;S PER FIRE FOR THE 138 MAND EVACUATIONS FOR THE AREA ADD [Shared]
12:58 PM 79 [290] PER 101 L FOR ALT ROUTES CAN USE 138 TO SUMMIT VLY ROAD OR THE 173 AND GO DOWN THE FRONT OF CRESTLINE [Shared]
12:57 PM 78 [285] SB PIO 75-D12 10-15 ETA [Shared]
12:56 PM 77 [283] 75-L2 CORR NOT IN THE COMMAND POST , CAN PARK BEHIND FIRE PERSONNEL AND PIO'S WILL WALK OUT TO THEM // CANNOT GO TO THE CP [Shared]
12:51 PM 76 [277] A75-216A EVERYTHING ON THE NB 15 GOING SB TO 15 AND CT IS SETTING UP A HARD CLOSURE [Shared]
12:51 PM 75 [276] HAVE 75-S4 1021 CAPT KING SBPD ASAP, AT 9093835609 - 1039 TO 75-S4 [Shared]
12:50 PM 74 [275] [Notification] [CHP]-PER FOREST SVC ON FIRE IC - THEY HAVE MANDATORY EVACUATIONS IN LYTLE CREEK ALL COMMUNITIES [Shared]
12:45 PM 73 [267] 75-S4 ADVG CAN GET THRU THE HARD CLOSURE / ANY EMG PERSONNEL CAN GET THRU THE CLOSURE [Shared]
12:41 PM 72 [260] UPRR 7523 WILL CK W/UPRR DISPATCH TO CK ON TRAIN TRAFFIC [Shared]
12:41 PM 71 [259] UPRR 7523 ENRT TO THE FIRE [Shared]
12:40 PM 70 [258] 86111 HAS 15 SB AT RANCHERO CLOSED, WILL TRY AND GET DOWN TO OAK HILL. UNITS NEED TO GET PAST CLOSURE [Shared]
12:39 PM 69 [256] CT UNITS 86254 IS REQUESTING CHP TO LET THEM THROUGH FROM SB 15 AT RANCHERO RD SO THEY CAN GET TO OAK HILL. CALL CELL 909 964-0812. [Shared]
12:38 PM 68 [255] PER FIRE IC - THEY CANCELLED THE AIR AMB - THEY ARE SENDING 5 GROUND AMBS [Shared]
12:37 PM 67 [254] LINE#249 - FIRE FIGHTERS ARE ON SWARTHOUT CANYON ---- THEY ARE REQUESTING 5 AMBS [Shared]
12:36 PM 66 [250] [Notification] [CHP]-FOREST SVC IS ADVISING THEY HAVE 2 FIREFIGHTERS INJURED THEIR FIRE ENGINE WAS OVERRUN AND THEY ARE SENDING OUT 2 AMBS AND AN AIR AMB /AIRSHIP [Shared]
12:36 PM 65 [248] 123-S4 CPS LN 242 [Shared]
12:36 PM 64 [247] PER 75-S8 HAVE CT RESOND TO RANCHERO TO SHUT IT DOWN // HAVE VV TURN TRAFFIC AT RANCHERO [Shared]
12:31 PM 63 [239] A101-010 SUMMIT VALLEY AT 138 CLOSED [Shared]
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SB County Fire ?@SBCOUNTYFIRE 2m2 minutes ago
#BlueCutFire: (Update) MANDATORY EVACUATIONS Lytle Creek
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SB County Fire ?@SBCOUNTYFIRE 4m4 minutes ago
#BlueCutFire:#SBCoFD w/25 Eng/WT 6Chief 2Crews 1Dozer 1 #SBCSD Helo #StructureDefense in place Krn @SanBernardinoNF
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Is there any way to get a boundaries listing of where exactly is fire is - so much erroneous info on media. I can see fire near shell station at 138 and 15 and 138 closed to hwy 2 - but where exactly is the fire heading
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Email received from Pinon Mesa Middle School
A message from PINON MESA MIDDLE SCHOOL
Parents and Guardians -
This notification is to let you know that bus routes 57, 58 and 59 will not be transporting students home after school today. These are the West Cajon and Wrightwood bus routes. School is in session and will remain in session for the rest of the regularly scheduled day. Parents of students in the West Cajon and Wrightwood areas are encouraged to come pick up their students any time prior to the end of the school day. Please call the office if you have any questions or concerns. Please note that the office lines may be busy, so please be patient. Thank you - Pinon Mesa Middle School
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VLAT 910 on scene and just made it's first retardant drop. Very impressive flying by that pilot. Seen on ABC live feed.
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Looks like the command center is down on Blue Cut where the alternative people like to hang out. They'll have to find another place for today.
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Looks like the command center is down on Blue Cut where the alternative people like to hang out. They'll have to find another place for today.
"Alternative people," I like that. ;)
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Incident: 00093 Type: Report of Fire Location: N Cajon Blvd / Swarthout Canyon Rd Loc Desc: VISUAL I15 S NO KENWOOD AVE Lat/Lon: 34.275219 -117.451503
Detail Information
1:48 PM 107 [363] 75-D4 ENRT TO SWEEP NB AND SB PER 75-S4 TO MAKE SURE NO VEHS OR PEDS IN CLOSURE [Shared]
1:48 PM 106 [362] 75-D9 TAGGED ALL THE CARS IN THE CLOSURE DID NOT SEE ANY PEDS [Shared]
1:45 PM 105 [361] [Notification] [CHP]-CT 97 HAS SB 15 AT RANCHERO THE CIRCLE AND STRAIGHT RAMP CLOSED AT THIS TIME. [Shared]
1:42 PM 104 [359] 75-152 STILL 1023 FOR CT TO SET UP HARD CLOSURE SB AT RANCHERO [Shared]
1:40 PM 103 [349] 75-152 IS ON THE OFR FROM RANCHERO TO SB 15 [Shared]
1:37 PM 102 [345] 75-S4 ** THE FIRE HAS JUMPED TO THE SB SIDE NOW AFFECTING THE EB SIDE OF 15 [Shared]
1:35 PM 101 [344] JOHN/BARSTOW COMM REQ SB UNIT AT CP TO MAKE CONTACT WITH SBSO TO ASC HOW RESIDENTS AT 138/2 CAN ACCESS THEIR ANIMALS/HORSES - 1039 75-L2, WILL CHECK [Shared]
1:35 PM 100 [343] 86125 WILL CHECK THE CLOSURE PERIMETERS FPR LONE PINE NAD FOR CANYON, ETA 6 MIN. RIGHT NOW 138 EB TO 15 S AND 138 W TO 15 S HAS A HARD CLOSURE. [Shared]
1:29 PM 99 [338] PER 12-S3 INQ IF LONE PINE AT SR138 IS CLOSED FOR EB TRAFFIC ONLY SO THEY CANT GO TOWARDS THE 15 , THEN WE WILL NEED LONE PINE AT EAST CANYON CLOSED TO PREVENT TRAFFIC GOING THAT WAS AS WELL [Shared]
1:29 PM 98 [337] CO RDS ADVS 30 MIN ETA [Shared]
1:25 PM 97 [332] 1039 CO RDS [Shared]
1:23 PM 96 [330] SB 15 JNO RANCHEROS MM 30.5 ALL TRAFFIC BEING DIVERTING OFF THE FWY AT THIS LOCATION PER 86111. [Shared]
1:19 PM 95 [328] A75-106A ASC FROM CT IF EMS SIGNS ARE ACTIVED ON 215 STATING THAT THE NB 215 IS CLOSED [Shared]
1:18 PM 94 [327] 75-106A IN AREA AT DEVORE ADVD LOTS OF VEHS TRYING TO GET THRU THE AREA DUE TO BEING DIVERTED OFF AT DEVORE FROM THE NB 15 AND SB 215 AS WELL [Shared]
1:16 PM 93 [325] COMM CNT ADV THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION CREW BLOCKING THE DEVORE EXIT NEED THEM REMOVED AND GET OO THE AREA -- COMM CNT WILL ADV CORDS, - CT IS THIS YOUR HANDLE [Shared]
1:16 PM 92 [324] [Notification] [CHP]- COMM CNT CAPT REQ ASSISTANCE REMOVING SPECTATORS OFF DEVORE - THEY ARE BLOCKING EMERG CREWS FROM GETTING WHERE THEY NEED TO BE [Shared]
1:16 PM 91 [323] A12-081 REPOSITIONING TO LONE PINE AT SR 2// HARD CLOSURE IN PLACE SR138 / SR2 V1 IS ALSO ON SCENE [Shared]
1:09 PM 90 [312] [Notification] [CHP]-[308] A123-153B REQ PUBLIC AFFAIRS - ADV MEDIA VANS 97 [Shared] [Shared]
1:09 PM 89 [309] A123-153B REQ PUBLIC AFFAIRS - ADV MEDIA VANS 97 [Shared]
1:08 PM 88 [308] PER UPRR 7523 UPRR AND BNSF TRAIN TRAFFIC IS STOPPED [Shared]
1:08 PM 87 [306] PER UPRR 7523 ON UHF2 CH ADVD THEY HAVE UPRR UNITS RESPONDING TO THE CP - PER FOREST SVC ON FIRE IC ADVD CP IS CAJON / BLUE CUT FOR NOW BUT WILL BE POS MOVING IT [Shared]
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Inciweb Incident Page
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
Bluecut Fire
INCIDENT UPDATED 5 MIN. AGO
Incident Overview
The Bluecut Fire started today at 10:36 AM in the Cajon Pass near Kenwood Ave. west of Interstate 15. The fire is currently 1,500 acres in heavy fuels.
There is eminent threat to rail traffic and stuctures in the Cajon Pass.
Unknown number of structures are damaged and destroyed.
2 minor injuries to firefighters.
MANDATORY EVACUATIONS AREAS:
Lone Pine Canyon
Swarthout Canyon
West Cajon Valley
Lytle Creek Canyon
ROAD CLOSURES
As per Cal Trans Highway 138 has been closed from Interstate 15 to Highway 2
As per San Bernardino County Sheriff,
Hwy 38 to Lone Pine Canyon has been closed.
15 Northbound at Kenwood
15 Southbound at Oak Hill Road
EVACUATION CENTER:
Jessie Turner Community Center
15556 Summit Avenue
Fontana, CA
ANIMAL EVACUATION SHELTER:
Devore Animal Shelter (small animals)
19777 Shelter Valley
San Bernardino, CA
(800)472-5609
Victorville Fair Grounds (large animals)
14800 7th Ave.
Victorville, CA
RESPONSIBLE DRONE USE: While drones have not been seen over the Bluecut Fire, fire managers would like to remind the public that hobby drones, or (UAS) unmanned aircraft systems, pose a major safety threat to firefighting pilots and firefighters. When a hobby drone is flown into a fire area, incident commanders have no choice but to suspend air operations and ground aircraft until the drone is removed from the area.
Basic Information
Current as of 8/16/2016, 1:22:20 PM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 500
Size 1,500 Acres
Fuels Involved
Heavy brush
Outlook
Planned Actions
Ongoing Initial Attack
Remarks
Unified Command with SB Co Fire, SB Co Sheriff, CHP
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Just noticed on the live feed another fire to the north east near Hesperia has started
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 6m6 minutes ago
#BluecutFire now 2500 acres
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Inciweb map and description (i.e. started "west" of I15) appears incorrect.
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 16m16 minutes ago
#BluecutFire new evacuation area N of 138, E of SheepCreek, S of Phelan Rd, W of Caliente
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SB County Sheriff ?@sbcountysheriff 11m11 minutes ago
#BlueCutFire - a Care and Reception Center has been opened at Sultana High School 17311 Sultana Street in Hesperia
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any news ?
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What's the location of the north end of the fire. The news feeds seem to be concentrating on the south end of the fire. Is it anywhere near Cleghorn?
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Why can't I find a blasted map of this fire anywhere?
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Channel 7 just showed what looked like Moran Rocks on fire
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Incident: 00598 Type: Report of Fire Location: N Cajon Blvd / Swarthout Canyon Rd Loc Desc: VISUAL I15 S NO KENWOOD AVE Lat/Lon: 34.275219 -117.451503
Detail Information
3:05 PM 133 [429] A101-010 REQ ETA FOR FIRE [Shared]
3:03 PM 132 [427] [CHP] has closed their incident [160816IN01112]
3:02 PM 131 [425] B75-214B JUST SPOKE TO FIRE / RPT OF ANOTHER FIRE JEO MAIN FIRE ON THE 138 [Shared]
3:01 PM 130 [422] 75-D9 ALL TRAFFIC NB IS BEING DIVERTED TO SB 215 / CT SET OUT A NEW TRAFFIC PATTERN [Shared]
2:57 PM 129 [419] PER 101-D1 SO FAR TRYING TO GET VEHS STOPPED AT SUMMIT VALLEY / 138 [Shared]
2:51 PM 128 [417] 101-S1 // HAVE D1 AND 101-10 STOP BIG RIGS PRIOR TO ENTERING 138 WHERE THEY CAN TURN AROUND / BIG RIG RESTRICTED FROM ENTERING TO GET TO THE 138 [Shared]
2:46 PM 127 [414] PER LINE 409 / BIG RIGS GETTING STUCK ON HAIRPIN CURVE ON 138 // 101-S1 CPYS / WILL ADV [Shared]
2:46 PM 126 [413] [Notification] [CHP]-LT LANE W/ SBSO OES RIALTO REQ UNITS AT 15/ OAKHILL TO ALLOW SOUTHWEST GAS EMERGENCY VEH THRU CLOSURE TO SO THEY CAN START SHUTTING DOWN GAS IN THE AREA [Shared]
2:46 PM 125 [411] DUP OF LOG 1078 / FIRE ENRT CODE 3 [Shared]
2:30 PM 124 [401] PER FIRE ICOM VOLUNTEER EVACUATIN E/O 15 IN WRIGHTWOOD [Shared]
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INCIDENT UPDATED 26 MIN. AGO
Incident Overview
The Bluecut Fire started today at 10:36 AM in the Cajon Pass near Kenwood Ave. west of Interstate 15. The fire is currently 5,500 acres in heavy fuels.
There is eminent threat to rail traffic and stuctures in the Cajon Pass.
Unknown number of structures are damaged and destroyed.
2 minor injuries to firefighters.
MANDATORY EVACUATIONS AREAS:
North of 138, east of Sheep Creek, south of Phelan Rd. and west of Caliente
Lone Pine Canyon
Swarthout Canyon
West Cajon Valley
Lytle Creek Canyon
ROAD CLOSURES
As per Cal Trans Highway 138 has been closed from Interstate 15 to Highway 2
As per San Bernardino County Sheriff,
Hwy 138 to Lone Pine Canyon has been closed.
15 Northbound at Kenwood
15 Southbound at Oak Hill Road
EVACUATION CENTER:
Jessie Turner Community Center
15556 Summit Avenue
Fontana, CA 92336
(909)428-8360
Serrano High School
9292 Sheep Creek Rd
Phelan, CA 92371
(909)717-1128
ANIMAL EVACUATION SHELTER:
Devore Animal Shelter (small animals)
19777 Shelter Valley
San Bernardino, CA
(800)472-5609
Victorville Fair Grounds (large animals)
14800 7th Ave.
Victorville, CA
RESPONSIBLE DRONE USE: While drones have not been seen over the Bluecut Fire, fire managers would like to remind the public that hobby drones, or (UAS) unmanned aircraft systems, pose a major safety threat to firefighting pilots and firefighters. When a hobby drone is flown into a fire area, incident commanders have no choice but to suspend air operations and ground aircraft until the drone is removed from the area.
Basic Information
Current as of 8/16/2016, 2:47:11 PM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 500
Size 5,500 Acres
Fuels Involved
Heavy brush
Outlook
Planned Actions
Ongoing Initial Attack
Remarks
Unified Command with SB Co Fire, SB Co Sheriff, CHP
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Hot Weather to continue, Wind
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IC has just requested MANDATORY EVACUATIONS for Wrightwood
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Mandatory for the whole town John?
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Yes. Entire town
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Please do as they ask and be safe my family and friends. :'(
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Does that mean we pack up now???
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Yes, it means you pack up now and get your animals safe. I am surprised by this evac notice. But, I trust our firefighters to know what to do. Good luck guys. I'll be watching this fire all night long. cheryl o7o
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I just received my automated call from the county, announcing the mandatory evac.
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What is the status of the junction at 138/2 (MT TOP?)
Is there a specific place we should be going?
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OMG!
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From the incident page here:
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
EVACUATION CENTERS:
Jessie Turner Community Center
15556 Summit Avenue
Fontana, CA
Sultana High School
17311 Sultana St.
Hesperia, CA 92345
STAY SAFE FRIENDS!
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What if any are the penalties for defying the evacuation orders?
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At what point is the fire closest to WW?
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At what point is the fire closest to WW?
According to what i can find online the intersection of lone pine and swarthart cyn roads
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Sarajevo: the penalty could be death by fire. Do keep that in mind. cheryl o7o
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My buddy in Oak Hills got an evac order too. He's in the hills west of the OH off ramp.
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Can I drive to Wrightwood to get my pets? Or will I be prevented from getting to my house? Caltrans doesn't show any closures for Highway 2.
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Are there road blocks that will keep you from coming into WW once you have left? I'm sure there will be, just wondering if they are up yet and where.
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ok where exactly is the fire is Wrightwood in danger from 138 or Lone Pine I heard we have to leave out n4 that 2 is closed at 138 NOT ENOUGH INFO!
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N4 is the highway that splits from the 2 at Big Pines and passes Jackson Lake. Just a FYI
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Watching the live coverage on Channel 7. The fire appears to be in the lower part of Lone Pine Canyon above the lower curve. Along the 138 the fire has burned form the railroad tracks up thru moron rocks and is in the area of Jadestone Pet Lodge and the orchards along that part of the highway.
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Wrightwood, our hearts are with you! Those of us who love Wrightwood, but aren't fortunate enough to live there, are keeping you tucked into our pockets close to our hearts. We are sending our best wishes and hopes for the firefighters to get this thing under control and a quick, safe return home. Stay safe, everybody!
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Channel 7 just said they aren't seeing any aircraft. Have water drops stopped?
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One hour ago my wife could not come up 138 to 2 at Ricks Cafe. She had to turn around a come up N4 (Largo Vista). We are here now and getting ready to leave.
Are they letting us down 2 to 138?
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The fire is now at the end of the south bound 138 passing lanes
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My dear hometown Wrightwood... you are all in my prayers during this time! I pray the town is spared...but most importantly, I pray that all her people remain safe, as for a short time, they head for a place of safety. May God be with you all, and with the fire crews that fight this crappy fire
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The TV helicopters are on the Southside of the fire (up wind) so you can see the flame. They are not showing the Northside of the fire (down wind) because of the smoke covering the view. There where several Aircraft including the DC10 dropping earlier on the southside and west side to keep the fire from cresting and going into Lytle Creek. The aircraft might be on the north side trying to slow it down.
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Scandalous, shameful lack of information for this fire, especially when compared to Sheep Fire. No map, only vague, piecemeal descriptions of where the fire is.
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Please update ways to get out of town. Can I go 2 to 138 or have to go other way? Is there a shelter in Palmdale or Lancaster that I can go to with my dogs?
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CERT activation? How far up LPC is the fire?
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Are people camping in the Stator Bros parking lot like last time?
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http://socalmountains.com/e107_files/public/1471392701_9270_FT216743_2016-08-15_burn_and_evac_areas_around_1_or_2pm.png
I think this was from 1 pm. Trying to find one more recent.
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Please update ways to get out of town. Can I go 2 to 138 or have to go other way? Is there a shelter in Palmdale or Lancaster that I can go to with my dogs?
A friend called me about 10 minutes ago with the info that she was able to take 2 to 138 and head west.
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The McDonald's at the 138 just caught fire.
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Just watched KABC Channel 7 reporting from the 138 & Hess Road. The fire has moved along the 138 as well as up into the canyons and along the ridges possibly into WW. . Not good. So we will remain on alert here. Stay safe everyone. cheryl o7o
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The truck weigh station just caught fire.
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The McDonald's at the 138 just caught fire.
Would think that would be on the news.
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Too much smoke. CBS 2 is showing houses burning at Hess Road.
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Please update ways to get out of town. Can I go 2 to 138 or have to go other way? Is there a shelter in Palmdale or Lancaster that I can go to with my dogs?
from inciweb:
RECOMMEND ALTERNATE ROUTES PER CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL:
From the Valley to the High Desert: Interstate 10E to Highway 62N to Highway 247N to Highway 18W
From High Desert to the Valley: Highway 18E to highway 247S to Highway 62S to Interstate 10W
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this is the best source:
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
in response to someone's aggravation at so little information, remember this fire just started at around 10:30 this morning, one of the fastest moving I have ever seen, it usually takes a day for them to get us maps and stuff, so be patient and get the heck out of there!
Please err on the side of caution and be safe.
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Too much smoke. CBS 2 is showing houses burning at Hess Road.
It was. Channel 7.
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Would think that would be on the news.
It was. Channel 7.
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Use this link to see the fire and direction
http://wv.mapport.com/wildfire_viewer/ (http://wv.mapport.com/wildfire_viewer/)
You will have to zoom into the area
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The McDonald's at the 138 just caught fire.
McDonalds looks fine, must have been something else you saw.
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I also saw flames in one corner of McDonald's roof, from one of the news videos (channel 5 or 7)
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Yes, one corner was burning of McDonalds....The Summit Inn was burning a while ago at the top of the pass.....Fire crews were just getting off at Oak Hills Rd.
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Really, I've been watching 7, and they just showed McD. Maybe old footage.
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Fire fighters must be spread thin, because I'm not seeing many.
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Really, I've been watching 7, and they just showed McD. Maybe old footage.
Yeah, it's just replays right now. Most of the stations are not covering live right now, at least on internet feeds.
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Channel 9 coverage
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Summit Inn at the top of Cajon pass was on fire.
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channel 4 live now
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Firefighters-Battle-Brush-Fire-Near-I-15-in-Devore-390340002.html (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Firefighters-Battle-Brush-Fire-Near-I-15-in-Devore-390340002.html)
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and any air drops are where?
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The news is misleading. They say the "Phelan is completely covered in smoke" . But the fire isn't near what we consider Phelan, at least not downtown Phelan. They seem to be talking about the northeast part of Phelan. Or am I turned around?
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I'm in Phelan just west of Beekley. All is well here.
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NBC online just showed fire going up southside? Lone Pine Road, also up high on the ridge line of Lone Pine to the north.
It's burning up 138-- not desert side of Phelan. Also houses are burning in Oak Hills. It's like a hand with
fingers that's why it's hard to fight. They also showed the chevron station at 138/15 with a small fire on the roof. The spot fires are incredible. I have friends on Snowline who are packed but haven't left.
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Summit Inn is a goner!
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MANDATORY EVACUATIONS AREAS:
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/CABDF/2016-08-16-1443-Bluecut-Fire/related_files/pict20160716-195655-0.pdf
The entire community of Wrightwood
West of I-15, and West of Hwy 395 and west of Summit Valley
North of Bear Valley Rd. and East of Caughlin Road.
North of 138, east of Sheep Creek, south of Phelan Rd. and west of Caliente
Lone Pine Canyon
Swarthout Canyon
West Cajon Valley
Lytle Creek Canyon
Some very aggressive evacuations.
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I did notice that they concentrated the tanker drops late today on Lone Pine...
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Does anybody know if or how far the fire has come up lone pine. On NBC it appears that it was near Clydes Ranch
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I was NOT COMPLAINING about this site - in general information was just all over the place - I still have not received a robo call - no sheriff has driven on my street with speakers on - have been here over 27 years never been so all over the place !
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Summit Inn is a goner!
Confirmed. Just saw video on Channel 9 news. I think the challenge for authorities right now is the wide-ranging scope of the fire, and the sparse population density. I don't recall a similar fire in the pass - one that has branched out in so many different directions, from blue cut to the ridge near Lytle Creek up to the top of the pass and into the lower portions of Lone Pine Canyon (apparently).
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Stickied topic is here: http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php/topic,23816.0.html
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Ok.. so we're all fine and we're all worried and we have good reason to be. Those of us in mandatory evac areas should take that seriously. Course, I'm still trying to figure out what those coordinates are as detailed in MDB's previous post here. And, MDB is posting what the news is saying a minute or two ago.
This fire is up to 9000+ acres just since this morning. This one is moving faster than information can move. Let's stay as calm as we can and help one another as we can. I know staying calm is hard to do. In particular for our friends in the WCV.. baseballfan.. I'm thinking of you and your family now. Do let us know if you are ok. So Onward guys.. let's keep our focus and help each other as we can. cheryl o7o
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the inci web is great!
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Bluecut Fire
INCIDENT UPDATED 18 MIN. AGO
Basic Information
Current as of ?8?/?16?/?2016? ?7?:?43?:?19? ?PM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS In Unified Command With CAL FIRE
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 700
Size 9,000 Acres
Fuels Involved Heavy brush
Outlook
Planned Actions Ongoing Initial Attack
Projected Incident Activity
Interagency Incident Management Team 4 (Opliger) has been ordered to assume command of the fire.
Remarks
Unified Command with SB Co Fire, SB Co Sheriff, CHP
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Hot, windy, low relative humidity
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Hey Elk,
Channel 9 is now claiming 15000 acres. any info on its location on Lone Pine
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Cheryl, thanks for the shout out!
We did evac and are in a hotel in victorville until clear. My neighbor is still there in WCV and she will update me on the fires progress in our little corner of the valley.
From the news on TV it's hard to tell exactly where the fire has jumped to. As you've all said, this one is spotty and fast. I hosed down our property before leaving and can only pray for the best for all of us.
We are south of the 138 right up against the San Bernardino Forest line.
Monitoring all this closely....as you all are too.
It's so surreal....
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I heard the 19k reference but unconfirmed. Nothing on location in Lone Pine. That seems to be the question that everyone wants an answer to.
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Cal Fire is reporting 15K on Twitter.
CAL FIRE ?@CAL_FIRE 45m45 minutes ago Arden-Arcade, CA
#BlueCutFire [update] north of San Bernardino (San Bernardino County) is now 15,000 acres. http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
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I can see a strong orange glow in the smoke cloud, as viewed from Park. Why is there no bloody information on the proximity to Wrightwood? This is not a complicated question.
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Hey Elk,
Channel 9 is now claiming 15000 acres. any info on its location on Lone Pine
Around 6pm the helo footage i saw showed the property south of clydes ranch was overtaken, around where swarthart cyn intersects lone pine.
Lone pine and baldy mesa were getting a bunch air drops from what i saw
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I can see the orange glow in the sky SSE from here in P.H. on Green Rd. C&S.. all I can tell you is that the fire is close enough to WW for the F.D. to order a mandatory evac. The TV footage of the homes lost in the WCV is horrible. Stay safe everyone. BBfan.. glad to read you got out ok. Hope your home makes it too.
cheryl o7o
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I can see a strong orange glow in the smoke cloud, as viewed from Park. Why is there no bloody information on the proximity to Wrightwood? This is not a complicated question.
It seems like the people who usually have the answers are gone. Suddenly realized that having some HAM gear around would be a good idea. Last fire we had there was somewhat good info on the Table Mt repeater. Maybe that's where all the info people are.
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SB County SheriffVerified account ?@sbcountysheriff 7m 7 minutes ago
#BlueCutFire - Wrightwood residents urged to utilize Hwy2 to Glendale and Big Pine Hwy to Antelope Valley #LASD Palmdale Stn assisting
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Photo taken from Deer Heaven area (138 and Bekeley Rd) looking East and South (toward Lone Pine).
(http://www.joehaggard.com/bluecut/BlueCut_Fire1.jpg)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqCUe7gXgAEqic1.jpg:large)
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It seems like the people who usually have the answers are gone.
This is true. Wrightwood is probably handling his personal business right now like everyone else should.
The continuing flow of information for future incidents is something to be solved once things have calmed some.
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USFS Fire-California ?@R5_Fire_News 13 seconds ago
#BlueCutFire 15,000 acres 0% contained http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/ @SanBernardinoNF @SBCOUNTYFIRE @sbcountysheriff
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GOES satellite fire detection
(http://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14022317_1752985768291247_114732859138171265_n.jpg?oh=434464980a640069b6eae11c23a943d9&oe=584DBD68)
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Keep in mind that the GOES/MODIS data isn't super precise - that is the reason by those red blocks are so large. There is plenty of wiggle room in the exact location of the fire with respect to that map.
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Thanks Joe...
It does give a general overview without much detail.
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USFS Fire-California ?@R5_Fire_News 10 minutes ago
#BlueCutFire 18,000 acres 0% contained http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/ @SanBernardinoNF @SBCOUNTYFIRE @sbcountysheriff
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Historic Summit Inn Burns In Blue Cut Fire
http://www.youtube.com/v/oG-HMTEVj88&showsearch=0&rel=0&fs=1&autoplay=0&ap=%2526fmt%3D18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG-HMTEVj88
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This is true. Wrightwood is probably handling his personal business right now like everyone else should.
The continuing flow of information for future incidents is something to be solved once things have calmed some.
I wasn't naming names. There's a few people who get the info out. Never occurred to me, they may be busy.
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Tyrone's riding his bike down Lone Pine. There's a road block near East Canyon, but there's only a little smoke and a distant red glow. No fire in town.
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Tyrone's riding his bike down Lone Pine. There's a road block near East Canyon, but there's only a little smoke and a distant red glow. No fire in town.
Good job, stay safe.
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Thank you to John and Cindy for keeping me up to date with what is going on.
I got stuck down the hill without my big out bag and not one of my radios.
I have to make adjustments when we get back home.
Praying for the firefighters safety and for wrightwood to be spared.
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According to Sean Wolf of Angeles National Forest, the main fire is holding on the other side of Circle Ridge. You can see a smaller fire approx. three miles down Lone Pine from Helicopter Hill that the fire crews say is "nothing to worry about". The Angeles National Forest Fire crews are pulling off of Helicopter Hill and its seems that Wrightwood should not be too worried at this time.
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The fire's 1.5-2 mi E of Clyde Ranch and they have a strike team waiting just in case. They seem cautiously optimistic.
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Also, this is where they recommend looking for updates: http://hotlist.wildlandfire.com/threads/54341-CA-BDF-Blue-Cut/
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Caltrans District 8 ?@Caltrans8 3 minutes ago
RT @CHPInland: #BlueCutFire Interstate 15 remains closed through the Cajon Pass in both directions. No timetable on when it'll re-open.
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Scanner audio feeds:
http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/scanner/
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/19088/web
http://www.bigbearscanner.com/
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NBC Los Angeles Verified account ?@NBCLA 2 minutes ago
WATCH LIVE: 28-square-mile #BlueCutFire continues to burn through the night http://4.nbcla.com/B9ML4US
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USFS Fire-California ?@R5_Fire_News 8 minutes ago
On the same day firefighters reach full containment on the #PilotFire, #BlueCutFire breaks out
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Good to see LA County Sheriff slowly patrolling and spot lighting each house on the block.
The two Deputies were from East LA.
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Live on Periscope
https://www.periscope.tv/ShootSeanNBCLA/1BRJjkwBrjQxw
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqC0HemUMAAM2k9.jpg:large)
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From AA-112 1700 yesterday..
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160817/966f094d45f36d420669959c3da47dfa.jpg)
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_Bluecut_8.17.16a.JPG)
Large PDF version (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_Bluecut_8.17.16a.pdf)
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Heat perimeter map
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_Bluecut_KML.8.17.16a.JPG)
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Shown the Sharp Fire perimeter
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_Bluecut_KML.8.17.16Sharp.JPG)
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For those with Google Earth - KML file (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/20160816_2303_Bluecut__IR_HeatPerimeter.kml)
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Skyline view from Mtn Hardware Livecam this morning
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/AbovePostOffice8.17.16.JPG)
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View of the smoke from PH seems to show less smoke than last night. I'm having trouble accessing this site directly. The 'topic reply' link is working fine.
Hope everyone is ok. cheryl o7o
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I was mesmerized by this live video feed all day yesterday, I assume today will be no different.
http://abc7.com/live/23340/
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INCIDENT UPDATED 25 MIN. AGO
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
Basic Information
Current as of 8/16/2016, 10:23:36 PM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS In Unified Command With CAL FIRE, San Bernardino County Fire And Other Cooperating Agencies.
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 700
Size 18,000 Acres
Fuels Involved
Heavy brush
Outlook
Planned Actions
Ongoing Initial Attack
Projected Incident Activity
Interagency Incident Management Team 4 (Opliger) has been ordered to assume command of the fire.
Remarks
Unified Command with SB Co Fire, SB Co Sheriff, CHP
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Red Flag conditions remain in effect until 9:00 P.M. Thursday; Hot, Dry and Breezy.
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McDonalds looks fine, must have been something else you saw.
https://www.facebook.com/SteveKuzj/videos/1067573543322742/ (https://www.facebook.com/SteveKuzj/videos/1067573543322742/)
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Thanks for that perimeter map John. Lets hope they get some paint down in Lone Pine before the winds kick it up hill.
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Channel 7 now says 30,000 acres
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https://www.facebook.com/SteveKuzj/videos/1067573543322742/ (https://www.facebook.com/SteveKuzj/videos/1067573543322742/)
Yeah, they jumped on that quick and got it out. Helicopter dumped directly on it and a water truck finished it off.
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CAL FIRE ?@CAL_FIRE 24 minutes ago Sacramento, CA
#BlueCutFire [update] north of San Bernardino (San Bernardino County) is now 30,000 acres. http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
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What's the condition of the Clyde Ranch?
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Alts around #BlueCutFire: #CBSLA
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqDzPVqVMAANAaS.jpg)
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Is there a local radio station covering the fire? I recall one station took off all it's programming to cover a fire a number of years back. cheryl o7o
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News conference live on ABC7.
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Press conference
http://abc7.com/live/23340/
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What's the condition of the Clyde Ranch?
According to the KML file below, which if you have Google Earth allows you to "fly" around the most recent official fire perimeter, the fire burned just east of the ranch. Channel 11 has a helicopter up but it's too far east and there is too much smoke obscuring LPC to be able to confirm.
For those with Google Earth - KML file (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/20160816_2303_Bluecut__IR_HeatPerimeter.kml)
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This is on the evacuation list:
East of Sheep Creek, south of Phelan Rd. and west of Green Road, including the Desert Front Rd. area.
The Desert Front Rd. area makes sense, but I don't understand the East of Sheep Creek west Green Rd doesn't make sense to me. What am I missing?
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Sheep Creek where the high school is down in Phelan.
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And Green Road in Pinon Hills goes way up and stops at the far end of Desert Front Road.
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Does anyone know if any structures damaged or lost near Mountaineer Progress area close to Rancho and Wild Horse Canyon?
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I'm on Green Road and the boundaries don't make sense to me either. I think they're talking about the area where Desert Front runs off of the 2. Mapquest shows Green also picking up after it ends up here by Desert Front Rd. Sheep Creek does run by Serrano and ends at the 138. I believe it picks up again somewhere closer to WW. The inci map did not clarify this for me. Neither does my Thomas Guide. Advice appreciated. cheryl o7o
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Just got word from a neighbor that it's coming over the top of Circle Mtn. They need to paint that area heavy.
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http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20160816/this-map-shows-where-the-blue-cut-fire-in-the-cajon-pass-is-burning-near-the-15-freeway
This is a pretty good map showing the evacuation areas relative to the fire.
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Just got word from a neighbor that it's coming over the top of Circle Mtn. They need to paint that area heavy.
Being mindful of the accuracy of information, for those who aren't aware, the peak of Circle Mountain is 1.25 miles as the crow flies to the easternmost homes (that I can find) in Wrightwood on Chaumont Dr. Picture to follow.
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(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8071/28431030523_38b0cc975c_o.jpg)
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Being mindful of the accuracy of information, for those who aren't aware, the peak of Circle Mountain is 1.25 miles as the crow flies to the easternmost homes (that I can find) in Wrightwood on Chaumont Dr. Picture to follow.
Just got word from a neighbor that it's coming over the top of Circle Mtn. They need to paint that area heavy.
thanks toolman. This is one of the important landmarks our friend mentioned yesterday who is fighting this fire
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/CircleMtn.8.17.16.a.JPG)
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With winds things happen fast. Just a shift from north to west can be devastating like in those communities yesterday. Combine that with fires creating their own winds, Firestorms that is.
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Sheriff was just here.. where I am on Green Rd. is now in the evac zone. They said the fire is five miles away and moving this way. Does anyone know if it's jumped the 2? It still has to jump Sheep Creek Wash to get here. cheryl o7o
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There's been no radio traffic of the fire being close to Hwy 2 that I'm aware of.
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With winds things happen fast. Just a shift from north to west can be devastating like in those communities yesterday. Combine that with fires creating their own winds, Firestorms that is.
Not that anything is impossible, but winds over the past few days are almost never out of the east. Below is a plot from a personal weather station in Wrightwood from 3 days ago on the left to today on the right. The number of instances of winds out of the east is very low and probably in the realm of being noise in the data from things like passing thermals:
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8227/28428215764_284b53328b_o.jpg)
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I honestly think the boundaries for mandatory evac as posted on inciweb.. are not accurate for this section of Green Road. I'm pulling the horses out and packing up the important stuff. We're going to hunker down here unless it is inevitable. Don't suppose anyone can double check with inciweb?? cheryl o7o
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NWS states the winds will be Southwest today building to 30/45 mph by tonight. That means the winds are coming from the southwest and going to the east.. not coming from the east as Joe so ably demonstrated in his graph. cheryl o7o
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Not that anything is impossible, but winds over the past few days are almost never out of the east. Below is a plot from a personal weather station in Wrightwood from 3 days ago on the left to today on the right. The number of instances of winds out of the east is very low and probably in the realm of being noise in the data from things like passing thermals:
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8227/28428215764_284b53328b_o.jpg)
I suggest trusting the Fire Officials in their recommendations. Mandatory Evacuations is what they tell us to do.
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Live audio feed:
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/8710/web
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Live feed: (no audio)
http://abc7.com/live/23340/
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Chuck.. We will do that. We're packing now and the horses are being loaded as I type. I will check in here as long as I can. cheryl o7o
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A very special friend just called me. She has not been able to reach her son and is very concerned. I told her I would post her question here and she could watch for responses. Thank you for any info you can provide. Here's her question:
Have tried to reach him by phone and have no success, he lives at 10286 Evergreen Rd, Pinon Hills just off the 138 hwy. ??. Has there been mandatory evacuations in that area? He has like eight to ten dogs and about 8 horses and only a two horse trailer to get the animals to safety. Please advise if you can.
Concerned mother in Missouri
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If that address is north of the 138.. it is not in the evac zone.. I just talked to a friend at Evergreen and Sheep Creek.. horses are being evac'd to her place. Hope that helps. cheryl o7o
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@KathySC texting some friends down there as well to see if they know him.
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Thank you. Obviously any continued updates on this general area will make my friend feel better. I told her i was sure he could count on community helping with his horses
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MODIS and VIIRS satellite sensor thermal imaging fire detections as of 9:00am PDT. KML file for Google Earth:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/kml/conus_latest_AFM_bundle.kml (http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/kml/conus_latest_AFM_bundle.kml)
This is a Google Earth active link. Click on the "MODIS Fire Detections" "VIIRS-AF Fire Detections" and "VIIRS I Band Fire Detections" check boxes once you open the link to show the callouts from these satellite sensors. The active link should refresh/update several times per hour, though the satellite passes are much less frequent than this, so it may appear that the data are not updating regularly.
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7554/28763502210_c8289c3305_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KPJt6U)
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Well I can see our house is still there, for now:)
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If I were still in town I would have seen the fire coming over Circle Mt. Sad to see those big pines go up. The fire has started working it's way down and towards Helicopter Hill. No drops, but they had a dozer cut a fire break last night. It doesn't seem to have helped much. No smoke smell in town at all, wind is blowing away from town. But there have been some real strong gusts going in different directions.
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IS THAT PHOTO WRIGHTWOOD?
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Yes, that helicopter photo is looking West into the Pacific Crest Estates area of Wrightwood
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Two bulldozers
Tons of fire trucks each culdesac pac estates
Several firemen are not leaving
We did
So I put a note on door
Name phone number
I layed out out 50 ladder
And layed out two hoses one front one back
Full blast on but with nozzles off
I see no air on ground up there
And the winds are totally unpredictable
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Just tried to get back into Wrightwood through Largo Vista to Big Pines and they're not letting anyone through. Officer said from the post office you could see flames coming around the mountain.
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This is from a close friend of ours just now........ "Help.....anyone in the area of silver rock. . Can't get my horses out fast enough...2268 hollister"
She runs a horse rescue with many horses and other critters. If anyone is able to help, she'd really appreciate it!
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Don't forget folks... you can see the latest cam image, here:
http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php/topic,23819 (http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php/topic,23819)
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abc7 live just flew over burnt properties. Was it wild horse canyon?
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/LG_ABC_12pm.a.JPG)
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/LG_ABC_12pm.b.JPG)
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Sorry. Don't have Google Earth. How's the ranch?
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Sorry. Don't have Google Earth.
Here's the link to install:
https://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html (https://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html)
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Sprint service in town is down. Verizon still up.
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T-Mobil just came back up
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Currently 2 dozers cutting line at the base of Circle Mountain
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Looks like our friend evacuating horses has help arriving and more on the way. Thank you!
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Just realized the message I posted for friend concerned about her son didn't include his name. It is Noel Cook. If you know him, please tell him to call his mom. Thx
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Good Facebook live reports from the east side of town:
https://www.facebook.com/ABC7Leticia/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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2 dozers cutting line at Circle Mountain
Fire operation taking place - expect more smoke
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2 dozers cutting line at Circle Mountain
Fire operation taking place - expect more smoke
Thanks for this update! This debunks a silly rumor we heard.
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One of the dozer operators is the same guy (Gary McCord) who successfully did the dozer work in Lone Pine Canyon and Circle Mt during the Sheep Fire Oct 2009 - we are fortunate to have him working this fire
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SNOWLINE SCHOOLS CLOSED August 18 & 19, 2016
All call just received from Snowline School District notifying all students and employees that all Snowline Schools will be closed on Thursday August 18th and Friday August 19th, 2016
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Hi Wrightwood, I think this is a pretty good time to make a donation towards this site. I appreciate having someplace I can count on for reliable info. I know there used to be a PayPal button for making a donation. I don't see it now. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks.
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I say we all get together and do a fundraiser for this site after this darn fire is over. For now.. I think we need to concentrate on the fire itself and where it is spreading to. No offense meant. .. best to all..cheryl o7o
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Structure threat Wildhorse Canyon
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One of the dozer operators is the same guy (Gary McCord) who successfully did the dozer work in Lone Pine Canyon and Circle Mt during the Sheep Fire Oct 2009 - we are fortunate to have him working this fire
Very good to hear that! I still think it was a mistake not painting circle mountain earlier. >:(
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I am thinking of you all and praying the fire can be stopped before houses in Wrightwood are burnt. Thank you rescue personnel. be safe
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Can someone confirm that the fire is still on the East side of the 2? A major conflagration was going up a bit ago.. we saw a lot of planes and helos.. any info is appreciated. cheryl o7o
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Are firefighters working Wild Horse Canyon re structure threat?
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I am thinking of you all and praying the fire can be stopped before houses in Wrightwood are burnt. Thank you rescue personnel. be safe
No matter how bad it gets, we will survive....we are Tri Communities strong!
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Based on Channel 7's current helicopter coverage, the fire is now a little more than half a mile (.58 miles) from the easternmost home on Chaumont Dr. Picture to follow.
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(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8498/29054108645_69856e7e8d_o.jpg)
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If you now evacuate from Wrightwood
you MUST head towards Mountain High!
Do not travel towards the Hwy 138!
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Latest MODIS satellite infrared sensor fire detection callouts as of 11:45am PDT.
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/kml/conus_latest_modis.kml (http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/kml/conus_latest_modis.kml)
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/kml/conus_latest_AFM_bundle.kml (http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/kml/conus_latest_AFM_bundle.kml)
The sensor pixel size of the satellite instrument is large --- about 1 km on a side, which is the size of the large red box. The edge of the box does not indicate the boundary of active fire; instead just a likelihood of detected fire within the box somewhere. The "confidence" number assigned to this latest detection is 88%.
Using the measuring tool in Google Earth, the distance from the center of this latest MODIS satellite callout to the eastern edge of Chaumont Drive is 0.56 miles. This agrees with Joe Schmoe's analysis of the television coverage provided by helicopter-mounted visual cameras.
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8385/28948768812_46b7f0529b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L771pE)
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Yes Cheryl, per the last channel 7 online footage it has not crossed the 2
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RE: the question about Clyde Ranch, since channel 7 is focusing on the hot area about midway up Lone Pine Canyon moving up the ridge that separates upper Lytle Canyon, I got a glimpse of the intersection of Lone Pine Canyon Rd. and Lytle Creek Rd and it appeared OK. I could not see the ranch directly, but it was close.
For anyone familiar with the area, the hottest area of the fire and the area being shown most by Channel 7's covers is in the vicinity of Gobblers Knob.
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ABC 7 is saying 65,000 acres 0% containment.
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Based on ABC7 helicopter video the fire is now less than 2000 feet (.37 miles) from the easternmost home on Lone Pine Canyon Rd.
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8503/28436866403_21a4a73e25_o.jpg)
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/AbovePostOffice8.17.16.b.JPG)
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Zoomed out view showing MODIS and VIIRS satellite infrared sensor fire detections of the northwestern front of the fire as of 1:30pm PDT. The orange line is the published "heat perimeter" from earlier this morning.
Technical info on these satellite sensors:
http://modis.gsfc.nasa.gov/about/ (http://modis.gsfc.nasa.gov/about/)
https://jointmission.gsfc.nasa.gov/viirs.html (https://jointmission.gsfc.nasa.gov/viirs.html)
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8032/28433766514_f289918f56_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KjAuaG)
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Very informative and interactive map of the Bluecut Fire area and other features including evacuation areas, road closures, evac centers, CP locations, etc. Check it out!
http://sartopo.com/m/KV18
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SB County Fire ?@SBCOUNTYFIRE 2h2 hours ago
#SBCoFD Damage Assessment Team conducting ops w/ @sbcountysheriff Search Dog Team off Hwy 138 in West Cajon Valley.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqFvo3PWEAEvxSm.jpg)
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Based on ABC7 helicopter footage the fire is now approx 1500 feet from the easternmost homes in Wrightwood, a home on Interlaken Dr., burning in the flats at the base of Circle Mountain. However, the wind looks like it's blowing towards the north at the moment and there is a bulldozer cleaning up an existing fire break. There isn't a lot of hot fire south of homes. Looks better.
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Where is the air support for Wrightwood ?
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Dozer line from the base of Circle Mtn holding at this point
NOTE: Smoke is blowing North
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/LG_ABC_4.21pm.a.JPG)
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/LG_ABC_4.21pm.b.JPG)
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It appeared, FOR NOW, the westward march of the fire stopped in the grass in the flats at the base of Circle Mountain near helicopter hill because of the fire break being cut by the bulldozer. Waiting on more helicopter footage. To get your bearings with the photos above, the smoke is blowing due north.
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Live periscope:
https://www.periscope.tv/EPN564/1OdKrbDePDzKX
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it seems wrightwood just lost internet (verizon down)
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Per ABC7 helicopter footage, the hottest part of the fire is now moving north somewhat parallel to Wright Mountain Rd. and somewhat away from the easternmost homes in Wrightwood and is closing in on Hwy 2.
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it's back up...
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Reports of power outage in at least some areas of Wrightwood.
This probably explains the internet outages as well.
If you still have power in Wrightwood, please report cross streets for reference.
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Joe,
Got calls that people who have interpreted that a house on Interlaken Dr is on fire.
Can you clarify?
Based on ABC7 helicopter footage the fire is now approx 1500 feet from the easternmost homes in Wrightwood, a home on Interlaken Dr., burning in the flats at the base of Circle Mountain. However, the wind looks like it's blowing towards the north at the moment and there is a bulldozer cleaning up an existing fire break. There isn't a lot of hot fire south of homes. Looks better.
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Power went out on lower Heath Creek for about 10 minutes. No internet outage so far. Sprint cell is still down and Verizon cell is still up.
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There is little smoke from the edge of the fire near the homes in Wrightwood. I would breath a little easier. The hottest part of the fire is pushing north towards Wildhorse Canyon, and is approx 1.5 miles from the closest home there.
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Joe,
Got calls that people who have interpreted that a house on Interlaken Dr is on fire.
Can you clarify?
That is FALSE. No houses on the easternmost edge of Wrightwood were affected by the fire. At closest approach fire was approx. 1500 feet away. The hottest part of the fire burns northward now and somewhat away from those houses.
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http://abc7.com/live/
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Most recent shot of the edge of the fire. The view is eastward. North is to the left, south to the right, and the easternmost homes including Interlaken Dr. are at the lower right corner. The fire stopped it's westward march at the fire break and that doesn't appear to be changing. The fire break, and the western extent of the fire is approx 1100 feet (.20 miles) from the last home on Interlaken Dr.
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8261/28769221420_38c362cc12_o.jpg)
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Thanks Joe - that's what I thought
No houses on the easternmost edge of Wrightwood were affected by the fire.
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HAM radio traffic indicates that the Wrightwood Mini-Mart is out of fuel. Attempts to reach them by phone for confirmation were unsuccessful.
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HAM radio traffic indicates that the Wrightwood Mini-Mart is out of fuel. Attempts to reach them by phone for confirmation were unsuccessful.
I can confirm via their post on facebook earlier.
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Any word on what Jensen's plans to do?
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I'm ending my updates since in my unofficial opinion Wrightwood proper is out of the woods for the moment and Channel 7's helicopter is focusing on Lytle Creek. Wildhorse Canyon should be concerned. For Wrightwood, I think the next concern should monitoring the progress of the fire that is currently around Gobbler's Knob. That should be watched for progress overnight.
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Joe, Wrightwood, Elk and everyone else.. I hope you will hang in with us. That earlier report in this thread about the fire approaching the 2 at Mountain Wright Rd.. was of concern.
Frankly.. I don't put a lot of faith in Channel 7/KABC-TV reports. Earlier the reporter said the fire was burning towards Arrowhead.. they corrected that. Then they said the fire was burning against the wind going downhill. Is that possible?
The wind here is a SW wind.. rather light now.. supposed to pick up.. that means it's coming from the SW and blowing to the NE. Thus, away from PH and unless the wind is doing a switchback.. I think away from WW.
Stay safe everyone.. all best, cheryl o7o
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Abc 7 also reported power outages in wrightwood, is this true?
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Joe your posts are always welcomed on this forum.
Resources are currently in very high demand all across the state. Incident Commanders must make the best choices based on years of experience and available data. The channel 7 feed is NOT a news broadcast and I feel that they provided great footage of both Lytle Creek and Wrightwood.
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Huge difference
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/AbovePostOffice8.17.16.b.JPG)
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/AbovePostOffice8.17.16.c.JPG)
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The power outage lasted about 10 minutes. Maybe cutting power to the Pacific Estates area as a precaution? The fire IS heading in the direction of the main lines coming into town though. Luckily they're underground up to near Desert Front Road.
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 6m6 minutes ago
#BluecutFire update in acreage do to more accurate mapping. Now at 25,626; 1584 personnel on scene
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I doubt it was a planned outage as it surprised fire fighters.
Not all power coming into Wrightwood is underground from Desert Front Rd. There's overhead lines that were upgraded to feed the Pacific Crest Estates area if I recall correctly.
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Periscope live:
Dozer line
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1djxXXVAbYvxZ
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Note: A live periscope video can be viewed afterwards as it's saved.
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We have some containment! it's a start!
http://firetracker.scpr.org/blue-cut-fire-san-bernardino-county-2016/ (http://firetracker.scpr.org/blue-cut-fire-san-bernardino-county-2016/)
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INCIDENT UPDATED 3 MIN. AGO
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
Basic Information
Current as of 8/17/2016, 6:46:50 PM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander Wakoski (SoCalTeam3), Chamberlain (SB Co Fire), Dorsey (SB Co Sheriffs), Dominguez (CHP)
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 1,584
Size 25,626 Acres
Fuels Involved
Heavy brush
Significant Events
Active, running fire, uphill runs, short-range spotting, rapid fire spread with extremely low relative humidity, high temperatures, and drought stressed fuels.
Outlook
Planned Actions
Provide structure defense. Establish containment lines as opportunities present.
Projected Incident Activity
Interagency Incident Management Team 4 (Opliger) has been ordered to assume command of the fire.
Remarks
34,506 structures threatened.
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Moderately strong southerly winds will occur from midday through early evening Wednesday. Ridge top winds 20 MPH, with gusts to 35. Very hot temperatures with extremely low humidity with minimums at or below 10 percent has resulted in the establishment of a RED FLAG
warning for the area until 9 pm Thursday.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqF7Yh1XgAALX3j.jpg:large)
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From this Periscope feed it appears the fire tried to jump Hwy at the area known as the "Levels" and Fire Fighters stopped it there.
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1DXxylqyEbVJM
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It's defiantly possible for fire go against the wind and down hill. I saw it.
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Looks like Wrightwood is doing good. Is anyone starting to talk about a semi-serious timetable for 1. opening the 15 and 2. lifting the evacuation order on Wrightwood?
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CHP is opening I15 north now.
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There is a large orange glow in the SSE. It wasn't there awhile ago. Anyone know what's up? cheryl o7o
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Live news feed shows considerable smoke coming from what could be the Dawson Saddle area. That could push towards Blue Ridge. Any one confirm?
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SB still closed
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Where is Dawson's Saddle and Blue Ridge in relation to town?
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That's the ridge at the top of town above WW
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Here is a link to my picture post from Face Book. I took the picture with snip it from the ABC7 live video feed. This could not be good.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10210543320728599&set=a.4141258779124.172842.1513321004&type=3&theater¬if_t=like¬if_id=1471528704907651
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14063821_10210543320728599_3685897899864611299_n.jpg?oh=8ea5efb7586ae7b3a740abf10d89bc90&oe=5851E33F)
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Can't get Toolman's link to open, but isn't Dawson Saddle 5 miles west of Vincent Gap?
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Yes Dawson's saddle is by Baden Powell. I think he might be referencing gobblers knob area
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There is a Dawson Peak south of Wright Mountain: Wright > Pine > Dawson > Baldy. But yes, that plume concerns me as well. That flank of the fire has been burning westward on the north face of the ridge between Lone Pine Canyon and Lytle Creek, and could wrap around to the north into Wrightwood if pushed by the winds.
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Acreage increased to 31,689 Containment at 4% Northbound Interstate 15 opened at 10:15PM last night, southbound remains closed.
Media and Public Inquiries to (909) 383-5688
Online at: http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
John Miller
Public Affairs Officer
Forest Service
San Bernardino National Forest
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Thanks John, I would hope they have the Blue Ridge gate closed.
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Latest IR Heat Perimeter map
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/8.17.16.IR.BlueCutHeat.a.jpg)
For those with Google Earth - kml (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/20160817_2153_Bluecut_IR_HeatPerimeter.kml)
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Latest MODIS and VIIRS infrared satellite fire detections as of the satellite pass at 1:45am PDT on Thursday, August 18, 2016. Along the northwestern front of the fire, the most active regions are in Horse Canyon to the east of Wrightwood, and 2 miles southeast of Wrightwood by Gobbler's Knob. The orange line is the latest "heat perimeter" KML file, date Aug. 17.
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/kml/conus_latest_AFM_bundle.kml (http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/kml/conus_latest_AFM_bundle.kml)
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8318/28962514702_357b85ac6b_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/L8jszL)
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Zoomed view of the Wrightwood area. MODIS and VIIRS infrared satellite fire detections as of 1:45am PDT Thursday, August 18, 2016.
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8311/28447072854_b931245208_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KkLFFm)
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Thanks John, I would hope they have the Blue Ridge gate closed.
Yes. A LEO and an engine were waiting by my friend's car when he returned from hiking at 5 pm on the first day. Then the fire people closed the gate.
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Thanks John for posting your latest on IR Heat Parameter map. Helps greatly with perspective.
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_8.17.BlueCut_IR_Map.JPG)
Larger PDF version (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_8.17.BlueCut_IR_Map.pdf)
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A new (non-discussion) topic has been started that contains important Blue Cut Fire information.
Click here (http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php?topic=23824.0)
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Thank you for keeping us all up to date! Amazing work!!!
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We are some of the few that turned our back on WW and left when the mandatory evac was issued but now, after two days, we feel that we have used up the shelter-credit that we had with our relatives in Rancho where we stayed, and would like to come home. How does the situation look for coming back in? Right now we are planning to use Hwy 2 all the way from La Canada, but I don't want to drive all this way through the mountains just to turned away at Big Pines, so - will I be able to get into town?
Pretty sure that 138 is still closed, but would I15 North then Phelan Road into Phelan and from there the normal way home be a possibility?
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Just my 2 cents but it will be difficult to get back in. HWY 2 is still closed from LA County line to 138. And 138 is closed from Phelan Rd to I15. However, the fire has made it to HWY 2 and Wright Mountain Rd. There is a chance for the winds to come up today and push the fire across HWY 2. Today might not be the best day to head back. If you haven't already check the information on InciWeb:
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
It has all the road closures and a current fire map.
Good luck!
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According to Caltrans, both NB and SB I-15 are open
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I-15 northbound and southbound through #CajonPass are now open #BlueCutFire
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqKNkCMWIAAjCjJ.jpg)
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KABC 7 Live Video:
http://abc7.com/live/
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Wrightwood .. I' am loving the large PDF versions of the maps. Yours too Lcadder. These old eyes can actually read them. I'm pretty sure that Gobbler's Knob was the orange glow I saw. Is Horseshoe Canyon the turnoff of the 2 right after you get on the 2 from the 138? It heads east towrds WCV. cheryl o7o
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Wrightwood .. I' am loving the large PDF versions of the maps. Yours too Lcadder. These old eyes can actually read them. I'm pretty sure that Gobbler's Knob was the orange glow I saw. Is Horseshoe Canyon the turnoff of the 2 right after you get on the 2 from the 138? It heads east towrds WCV. cheryl o7o
That would be Wild Horse Canyon Rd, Cheryl
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That's actually considered Horse Canyon and on south side is goes into Wildhorse Canyon
Is Horseshoe Canyon the turnoff of the 2 right after you get on the 2 from the 138? It heads east towrds WCV. cheryl o7o
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Anyone know if I can make it back into town coming up Big Pines Hwy?
I got stuck on the outside
Or any other safe way back into town
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NO...
Anyone know if I can make it back into town coming up Big Pines Hwy?
I got stuck on the outside
Or any other safe way back into town
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ABC7 Eyewitness News Retweeted
Bri Winkler ?@abc7briwinkler 4 minutes ago
As the temperature soars the humidity drops. Dangerously dry conditions persist today by the #BlueCutFire.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqKY2WBXEAA87DB.jpg)
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For clarification: Different maps show different locations as Wild Horse Canyon
Based on USGS Topo maps - the general valley floor is Horse Canyon and as you head SE you enter Wild Horse Caynon
Topo Map (http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=34.38601,-117.58667&z=15&t=T&marker0=34.36083%2C-117.63250%2CWrightwood%20CA)
That would be Wild Horse Canyon Rd, Cheryl
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Inciweb PDF Map (http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/CABDF/2016-08-16-1443-Bluecut-Fire/picts/2016_08_18-07.50.38.565-CDT.pdf)
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What does "branch" vs "division denote? cheryl o7o
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Just came up the 15N to go to work from down the hill, where we are staying. Pretty much the whole pass is an ash grey color, including Lone Pine Canyon. However, I couldn't see any sign of fire that would be threatening Wrightwood from that vantage point.
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...but all the ramps in the affected area are still closed.
According to Caltrans, both NB and SB I-15 are open
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SB County Sheriff ?@sbcountysheriff 2 minutes ago
#BlueCutFire mandatory evac orders East of I-15 to Santa Fe/Summit Valley Rd so. of Ranchero Rd to Hwy138 will be lifted at 1:00 pm today.
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Came up the 15 this morning to go to Victorville
Can't believe how much burned
Just came back down the 15
2 big areas burning
One along the 15 down near the 215 interchange
And One That Looks To Be ABOVE WRIGHTWOOD
For those wanting to go back home....you can't get in until they lift the mandatory evacuation order
Maybe be a couple days yet for wrightwood the
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I have been in contact with some friends in Silicon Valley who have been doing their own monitoring of the fire.
Regarding the winds:
Currently SSW are pushing the fire back. it will move toward SW this afternoon but pick up speed. Worry here is embers getting blown around. Midday tomorrow is going to be an issue as the wind is going to change about 5 hours to SSE/ESE and pick up at that time. Its to go back to SSW around 3 PM. In conclusion, a critical time for Wrightwood will be mid-day tomorrow.
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SBSD - Headquarters
Advisory: Bluecut Fire Evacuations lifted for East Oak Hills and South Hesperia; see below for updated road closures
Evacuations Lifted For East Oak Hills and South Hesperia
Immediate Release
August 18, 2016
Effective Thursday August 18, at 1:00 p.m., the mandatory evacuation orders and advisories for residents in the areas east of I-15 to Santa Fe/Summit Valley Road, south of Ranchero Road to Highway 138, affected by the Blue Cut Fire will be lifted.
Santa Fe/Summit Valley Road and Arrowhead Lake Road/Hwy173 will be opened.
Hwy 138 will continue to be closed at I15 East to Summit Valley Road.
We appreciate all the people who evacuated in this area. The Blue Cut Fire is burning very aggressively and at one time posed a real danger to residents living in these areas.
We ask that residents returning to the evacuation zone exercise caution. Firefighters, engines, and heavy equipment continue to operate in the area. The San Bernardino County Sheriff will continue enhanced patrols through these areas with additional units.
The remaining mandatory evacuations will be lifted as soon as the danger to residents has been reduced.
Further information: Information Call Center (909) 383-5688 or http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962
WELCOME HOME!!
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Chet,
I have a question about wind direction. When you refer to SSW, is that the direction the wind is coming from or going towards?
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Noticed lots of Sheriffs in town. Also heard of looting, but that's not confirmed. Anyone else?
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String 'em up
( oh wait, was that out loud? )
;D
I am kidding of course, sort of ...
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Not here though, right?
The look on the girls face, I'd love to hear her excuse. I bet it's someone elses' fault.
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Lynnc.. A SW wind is coming from the Southwest and heads to the NE. So, for most of this fire zone the SW wind will push it back to the East. Topography can impact that a good bit. Wrightwood's post from the AQMD.. explains it further.
Firefly.. None of us heard what you said/ // um er typed.. um er thought.
Looting is a technical legal charge. I think, emphasis think, that because the Governor has declared a 'state of emergency' theft in the evac areas would be considered looting.. otherwise it's theft/burglary. During the Rodney King riots there was a lot of what most of us think of as looting. Some of those thieves got off because it wasn't technically looting. Must wonder how these thieves got into the evac area??? They're all from the down the hill. cheryl o7o
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Clyde Ranch cell video taken 8-18-16
(Not the best video quality)
http://www.youtube.com/v/LuJitlvbFT0&showsearch=0&rel=0&fs=1&autoplay=0&ap=%2526fmt%3D18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuJitlvbFT0&feature=youtu.be
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What does "branch" vs "division denote? cheryl o7o
It's a way of keeping the span of control manageable. We break a fire into Divisions. Once the fire gets big enough...we break into branches. A branch director manages a number of divisions. When the fire gets bigger, it's divided into zones. It's a system with a common language that allow the incident to rapidly ramp up and scale down when the need is no longer there.
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Whoever posted the video of the Clyde Ranch, a huge thank you. The barn, 2 sheds and the Earp cabin are gone. I have pictures that I took about 2 years ago when I began a history of the ranch. Oh, who am I? My 2gr grandma was Eliza Singleton Robinson Anderson Ousterhaut. She was Priscilla Singleton Clyde's sister. Priscilla married Almon Clyde. Thank you for the video. Was that Gary Hopkins who took this video? He is about the only person who knew the ranch this well.
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This is link to the live video from the ABC7 helicopter...which is handy since it's independent from whatever they are showing on the news. Of course, the helicopter is keeping near portions of the fire that they can cut to throughout the news broadcast, but it's better than little clips here and there on the news: http://abc7.com/live/23340/
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Thanks Joe - it's been added to the info topic
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Jim.. thanks for that info. I sort of thought that .. but I did not want to guess. So, I can ignore those indications on the map and pay attention to the fire's perimeter.
Ranch Historian... sorry you lost some of your family's treasured memories. Glad to read you have a lot of pictures.
And, someone here posted earlier that the 138 was closed from Phelan Road to the 15. Inciweb is still stating that the 138 is closed from County Line to Hwy 173 (east of the 15). Any updates? cheryl o7o
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Thanks Joe - it's been added to the info topic
Of course, while they were watching the fire progress towards the wild animal refuge on the south side of the wash near Devore they zoomed out and went black. Last time it was up this morning, once they had to go back and refuel they flew over the ANF back to the Burbank area with the camera on the whole time. They didn't shut it off until they were coming up on their airport. Maybe a different cameraman/pilot after that who isn't as liberal with the online time.
If anyone is reading this, keeping that feed up and live throughout the day does the public a great service that goes beyond the commercial requirements of the broadcast/station.
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Twiiter video -
Kris Ankarlo ?@KrisAnkarlo 17 minutes ago
It's a scene of charred devastation along CA-138 #BlueCutFire
Video link (https://twitter.com/KrisAnkarlo/status/766419456138489857)
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Noticed lots of Sheriffs in town. Also heard of looting, but that's not confirmed. Anyone else?
This is one of the problems with people staying behind. The Sheriff does not know who is who. It causes them not to become as suspicious as they would if people abided by the mandatory evacuations. I don't appreciate it because I left, as was right and the smart thing to do.
For those who think they can save their house with a water hose, they will just create temporary steam, before it catches fire. These fires were happening even when retardant was dropped. Bad luck is bad luck, the wildfire that is.
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Hotels allegedly illegally price-gouging following the Blue Cut Fire
The San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office has received multiple reports of illegal price gouging at multiple hotels, attorney Douglas Poston with the office's Consumer Protection Unit told KPCC. Poston couldn't talk specifics, but said they were for hotels in the High Desert area, including the communities of Victorville and Hesperia.
"Folks that were unfortunately affected and trapped up in the High Desert due to the freeway closure, those folks were being quoted rates that were far higher than average for the various hotels up in the area," Poston said.
Poston warned that if people have a suspicion someone has attempted price gouging following an emergency being declared in the region due to the Blue Cut Fire, they should contact the DA's Office's Consumer Protection Unit.
"Obviously, we will investigate those complaints, and hold accountable anybody that would engage in that kind of despicable practice," Poston said.
Price gouging in this case is when someone is quoted a price for goods or service that is at least 10 percent higher over what would normally be charged, Poston said. The practice is illegal once an emergency has been declared.
"That practice, it's an unfair business practice, it's predatory, and it's illegal. And on top of that, it really shows a cruel indifference to the suffering of all those displaced by that tragedy. The penalties are up to a year in county jail, a $10,000 fine, or both," Poston said.
On top of that, he added, there can also be civil penalties that can be thousands more per incident.
Examples of price gouging cited by Poston include being quoted a price for basic necessities such as water, food, blankets, shelter, rental properties, hotels, repair services and emergency cleanup services that's at least 10 percent more than they would have offered them for before the emergency was declared.
Once the Blue Cut Fire has calmed down, the DA's Office plans to visit the High Desert community to offer information to local residents about the predatory practices that can occur following a fire.
If you have a complaint, you can call the Consumer Protection Unit at (909) 382-7748.
http://www.scpr.org/news/2016/08/18/63734/hotels-allegedly-illegally-price-gouging-following/
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I agree that those of us who stayed behind could cause extra work for the FD, but I can only speak for myself here, but as I decided to stay during an evac. I would not expect the FD to come save me. It was my choice and risk to stay. In addition many of us have true fire hose capability vs. just garden hoses which I agree are worthless. As for the police and or sheriff patrolling, I have not seen a patrol car on my street since the evac notice, and they seem very busy dealing with the evacuations, and road blocks. Criminals have had free and clear access and we shall see when people return home if there are additional looting cases.
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I've seen some patrolling near the center of town, but likewise nothing on my street. CHP was sitting at the top of Park last night.
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This is one of the problems with people staying behind. The Sheriff does not know who is who. It causes them not to become as suspicious as they would if people abided by the mandatory evacuations. I don't appreciate it because I left, as was right and the smart thing to do.
For those who think they can save their house with a water hose, they will just create temporary steam, before it catches fire. These fires were happening even when retardant was dropped. Bad luck is bad luck, the wildfire that is.
I can understand your frustration, being there and not here. Last evacuation, I also left and it was nerve racking. I'm not planning on doing any garden hose work so that's not why I'm here. When there is a sign of sure danger I'll be gone. Just haven't seen that yet. And you are right it's the smart thing to do. My neighbors are all gone. Some because they didn't expect not to be allowed back in, and went to work. One neighbor has 2 dogs and I've been giving them water and food. So maybe something good is coming out of it.
I sure wasn't trying to stir anything up asking about looting. And as it turns out it was rumor.
I guess we're just not all good at following orders.
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Twiiter video -
Kris Ankarlo ?@KrisAnkarlo 17 minutes ago
It's a scene of charred devastation along CA-138 #BlueCutFire
Video link (https://twitter.com/KrisAnkarlo/status/766419456138489857)
This is just so horrible to see. I lived in Wrightwood from '96 until '02 and grew up in Hesperia. I've lived through many fires and evacuations but this one is just insanity. Craziest part is that we just drove through the 138 exactly ONE week ago. I took the pictures below as we drove by the Morman Rocks on our way back to Phoenix, AZ. So sad to see it all burned down now. :( I'm sending lots of love and of well wishes + prayers for everyone in the area.
(http://i.imgur.com/yGulhPc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v3IMfiH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cQhUdUp.jpg)
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Anyone have accurate info about a possible flare-up along the 15 near the 215 split? Hearing news reports that flames are right along the freeway so wondering if that is just dumb reporters or any truth. If it IS true, I don't want to head south on the 15 and get stuck anyway if they're going to close it again.
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Bluecut Fire
INCIDENT UPDATED 3 MIN. AGO
Basic Information
Current as of: ?8?/?18?/?2016? ?6?:?15?:?39? ?PM
Incident Type: Wildfire
Cause: Unknown
Date of Origin: Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location: Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander: USFS In Unified Command With CAL FIRE, San Bernardino County Fire And Other Cooperating Agencies.
Incident Description: Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel:1,584
Size: 35,969 Acres
Percent of Perimeter Contained: 22%
Fuels Involved: Heavy brush
Outlook
Planned Actions: Fire will continue to move to the north, northwest and northeast towards Wrightwood, Victor Valley,Phelan, Baldy Mesa and South Hesperia. As the fire crosses the ridge to the west, it will back towards the community of Lytle Creek.
Projected Incident Activity
Interagency Incident Management Team 4 (Opliger) has assumed command of the fire.
Remarks
Approximately 34,500 structures remain threatened in the communities of rightwood, Oak Hills, Phelan, Lytle Creek, Baldy Mesa, West Cajon Valley, South Hesperia, and Summit Valley.
Structures are known to have been damaged or destroyed but cannot currently be assessed due to the extreme fire behavior and growth. A Damage Assessment Team (DAT) has been ordered to assist.
Current Weather
Weather Concerns: Moderate south winds will diminish after sunset with a persistnet southerly flow. Slope winds after 2000 hrs will be south 5-10 mph with gusts to 15 mph. Ridgetop winds will be south to southwest 20 mph with gusts to 30 mph.
Poor overnight recovery with max humidity of 17-30 percent.
RED FLAG warning for the area remains until 1700 Thursday.
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962
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Incident: 01375 Type: Report of Fire Location: I15 S NO / KENWOOD AVE Loc Desc: Lat/Lon: 34.249376 -117.442305
Detail Information
8:05 PM 17 [40] BRUSH FIRE IN CD
8:05 PM 16 [39] VEH ON NB SIDE - AXLE IS BROKE
8:04 PM 15 [16] HEAVY SMOKE IN LNS ON SB SIDE
8:00 PM 14 [11] NEED UNIT ON NB SIDE IN CD
8:00 PM 13 [12] [Appended, 20:03:11] [1] BRUSH FIRE STARTING IN THE CD
7:56 PM 12 [7] IN CD
7:56 PM 11 [8] [Appended, 19:57:54] [1] SMALL BRUSH FIRE STARTING IN CD
7:55 PM 10 [5] [1] RPTING A BRUSH FIRE STARTING IN GP OF FWY BTWN NB AND SB AT THE INTERCHANGE
7:54 PM 9 [1] BRUSH ON FIRE ON RS
7:04 PM 8 [32] [Appended, 20:04:58] [17] A75-E13 OUT 1125 FIRE EQUIP ON GLEN HELEN JEO 15
6:17 PM 7 [31] [Appended, 20:04:58] [16] *** N EG ON ADDITIONAL FIRE / JUST SMOKE FRM EXISTING
6:03 PM 6 [28] [Appended, 20:04:58] [12] [Appended, 18:04:11] [6] NEG FIRE JUST SMOKE
6:03 PM 5 [27] [Appended, 20:04:58] [11] [Appended, 18:04:11] [5] SMOKE NB JSO CLEGHORN
6:02 PM 4 [25] [Appended, 20:04:58] [9] [Appended, 18:04:11] [3] E13 TRAFFIC IS FLOWING
6:00 PM 3 [23] [Appended, 20:04:58] [7] [Appended, 18:04:11] [1] BRUSH ON FIRE
5:56 PM 2 [18] [Appended, 20:04:58] [2] TRANS TO COMMCNTER
5:56 PM 1 [17] [Appended, 20:04:58] [1] RP SEES SMOKE
Unit Information
7:57 PM 5 Unit Assigned
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Incident: 01375 Type: Report of Fire Location: I15 S NO / KENWOOD AVE Loc Desc: NB 15 JNO KENWOOD Lat/Lon: 34.249376 -117.442305
Detail Information
8:14 PM 25 [55] ID-123 WILL RUN BREAK
8:13 PM 24 [53] NEED BREAK - FIRE NEEDS #1 LN
8:10 PM 23 [52] FIRE 97 ON NB SIDE
8:07 PM 22 [48] [Rotation Request Comment] 1039 DESERT VALLEY TOW ON EXP 760-240-4207
8:07 PM 21 [47] FIRE IS ABOUT 75' AWAY
8:06 PM 20 [43] E12 START 1185 ON EXP IN CD
8:06 PM 19 [42] E7 IS 97 W/VEH ON NB ON RS
8:05 PM 18 [41] PTYS ARE WALKING AWAY FROM VEH ON RS
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I agree that those of us who stayed behind could cause extra work for the FD, but I can only speak for myself here, but as I decided to stay during an evac. I would not expect the FD to come save me. It was my choice and risk to stay. In addition many of us have true fire hose capability vs. just garden hoses which I agree are worthless.
I have been living in Wrightwood for about 5 year up on Mojave Scenic Dr. - after I lost a house in a wildfire in San Dimas Canyon , had lost everything. It was a mandatory evacuation as well - we were allowed 10 min to leave.
After that experience I decided that when you live in the boonies you cannot rely on the FD saving your home - there may be more important structures to protect than your home
Am in Lyons, CO now. Also in the boonies and have a "fire-pool", a 130 PSI gas powered pump and some 1 1/2 firehose. I would not leave my home ...
Good luck to everyone
Oskar
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Get the hell out early when they tell you and become a nuisance in another place besides the place that the Firefighters are trying to protect!
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(http://i.imgur.com/J87hEq0l.jpg) (http://imgur.com/a/Fo9Qs)
(http://i.imgur.com/V8PQkcGl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/a/Fo9Qs)
Click for the full album.
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Thank you MDB, I appreciate the pictures. My house is butted up to that wash and was wondering how it's holding up.
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Mine is too and all is fine. For now. The winds took the flames yesterday north from the flats (at the turn). They put out flames closer to Wright Mountain Road.
Thanks Chuck for the reassuring words. It's very frustrating not being there to have eyes on the situation. I sure hope the evacuation orders and road closures are lifted today.
Jim
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Whoever posted the video of the Clyde Ranch, a huge thank you. The barn, 2 sheds and the Earp cabin are gone. I have pictures that I took about 2 years ago when I began a history of the ranch. Oh, who am I? My 2gr grandma was Eliza Singleton Robinson Anderson Ousterhaut. She was Priscilla Singleton Clyde's sister. Priscilla married Almon Clyde. Thank you for the video. Was that Gary Hopkins who took this video? He is about the only person who knew the ranch this well.
Hi Ranch Historian,
I noticed that this video on ABC 7's website has a (very) short clip on the Clyde Ranch:
http://abc7.com/video/embed/?pid=1475875
around the 2:00 mark.
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Thank you for posting the Channel 7 news on the Clyde Ranch. :)
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_BLUECUT_IR_OpsPerimeter_8.19.16.a.JPG)
Lager PDF file (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_BLUECUT_IR_OpsPerimeter_8.19.16.a.pdf)
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_BLUECUT_IR_OpsPerimeter_8.19.16.b.JPG)
Lager PDF file (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_BLUECUT_IR_OpsPerimeter_8.19.16.b.pdf)
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/Bluecut_IR_KMZ.8.19.16.a.jpg)
For those with Google Earth - KMZ file (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/20160818_2327_Bluecut_IR.kmz)
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After reading some of the not very well thoughout comments being made about the people who did not evacuate, I had to write this response.
It is sad to believe that anyone could protect your home from crime better than you in the town of Wrightwood. Judging by the slow response times and overall lack of a law enforcement presence here, you are but left to protect yourselves here. The police have mostly been hanging out near the Grizzly and on the main strip next to all of the coffee shops in town. Besides that, I have seen them driving up and down highway 2. That is really it. They are not doing any meaningful patrols of the town. It is up to good neighbors such as myself that did not leave to look over your houses. You cannot attack us (the people that did not evacuate) when we are looking out for you.
As for the garden hose comment, I think most people understand that they will not stop the fire with one. Just because people stayed does not mean that they were ever going to rely on garden hoses. Instead, they figured that everyone else left for naught. Though it got scary as helicopter hill burned, some people kept the faith. The fire-line held over at Pacific Crest. The position of those that did not evacuate has been vindicated.
Some people on this forum have gone as far to say that those who stayed only got in the way of the Police, Fire, and Medical personnel. This could not be a bigger lie. Those who stayed have offered their own assistance. The gas station stayed open to provide fuel and other supplies. Also, the Jensen's Market stayed open to make them sandwiches. Even the cafes stayed open to make them coffee. Were it not for those people staying, the first responders would not have these comforts.
I will say this too. The police have acted with a bit of a chip on their shoulders as well. Some old men hanging out at the gas station after it closed the other day told me a story. They said that the police came around and told them to leave the area because they didn't want any problems. Sad. I would certainly have shown greater respect to my elders than that. Also, the police tried to shut down The Brewery on it's first night open. They told people to leave. Yet, the people proudly held their ground and stayed. Please do not misconstrue this as an assault on those who put their lives on the line every time they put that uniform on. This is simply a critique of how they mishandled a few situations. Beyond that, they have not really gotten in the way of those who stayed behind.
So in closing, I say that I do not regret staying here with my family. We are all safe and well. The air is cleaner up here than down the hill. I have not had to sleep in any parking lots or pay large hotel fees. My heart goes out though for those who have. May your own personal recovery be swift from this disaster. Surely a fundraiser must be made to help those who need it.
Yours Truly,
Sarajevo
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Just to confirm, the red outline around what is labled the "Sharp Fire" is NOT a heat perimeter?
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BTW the time stamp in the maps is Boise Idaho time (2327) so it's one hour ahead.
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Day 4 begins. We're not out of the woods yet - but I feel a measure of relief. When I retrieve my pictures and re-hang them - I'm thinking about saving a spot for a framed copy of my Fire Fee receipt. Onward. cheryl o7o
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What bothers me is every time ABC 7 is doing a story live in Wrightwood the headline reads, "Wrightwood residents refuse to evacuate."
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I left the Sharp Fire heat perimeter on the map for reference only.
Just to confirm, the red outline around what is labled the "Sharp Fire" is NOT a heat perimeter?
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Has anybody heard any info on when the evac orders will be removed and or 138 / 2 reopened
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Thanks Wrightwood. That was what I figured but wanted to confirm.
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I'm surprised by the map showing the fire burned south over the town of Lytle Creek. Last coverage I saw it looked like they stopped it at the north side of the RV park. You'd figure the news would be covering if it had burned through Lytle Creek.
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After reading some of the not very well thoughout comments being made about the people who did not evacuate, I had to write this response.
It is sad to believe that anyone could protect your home from crime better than you in the town of Wrightwood. Judging by the slow response times and overall lack of a law enforcement presence here, you are but left to protect yourselves here. The police have mostly been hanging out near the Grizzly and on the main strip next to all of the coffee shops in town. Besides that, I have seen them driving up and down highway 2. That is really it. They are not doing any meaningful patrols of the town. It is up to good neighbors such as myself that did not leave to look over your houses. You cannot attack us (the people that did not evacuate) when we are looking out for you.
As for the garden hose comment, I think most people understand that they will not stop the fire with one. Just because people stayed does not mean that they were ever going to rely on garden hoses. Instead, they figured that everyone else left for naught. Though it got scary as helicopter hill burned, some people kept the faith. The fire-line held over at Pacific Crest. The position of those that did not evacuate has been vindicated.
Some people on this forum have gone as far to say that those who stayed only got in the way of the Police, Fire, and Medical personnel. This could not be a bigger lie. Those who stayed have offered their own assistance. The gas station stayed open to provide fuel and other supplies. Also, the Jensen's Market stayed open to make them sandwiches. Even the cafes stayed open to make them coffee. Were it not for those people staying, the first responders would not have these comforts.
I will say this too. The police have acted with a bit of a chip on their shoulders as well. Some old men hanging out at the gas station after it closed the other day told me a story. They said that the police came around and told them to leave the area because they didn't want any problems. Sad. I would certainly have shown greater respect to my elders than that. Also, the police tried to shut down The Brewery on it's first night open. They told people to leave. Yet, the people proudly held their ground and stayed. Please do not misconstrue this as an assault on those who put their lives on the line every time they put that uniform on. This is simply a critique of how they mishandled a few situations. Beyond that, they have not really gotten in the way of those who stayed behind.
So in closing, I say that I do not regret staying here with my family. We are all safe and well. The air is cleaner up here than down the hill. I have not had to sleep in any parking lots or pay large hotel fees. My heart goes out though for those who have. May your own personal recovery be swift from this disaster. Surely a fundraiser must be made to help those who need it.
Yours Truly,
Sarajevo
Nice that you criticize the police. It's the "in thing" to do lately. So how much crime have you personally stopped by staying up there?
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Any rumors you hear would be purely speculation. Look at the IR map where the most intense heat is at Gobblers Knob near the top of Lone Pine Canyon (along the PCT).
Has anybody heard any info on when the evac orders will be removed and or 138 / 2 reopened
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_BLUECUT_IR_OpsPerimeter_8.19.16.a.JPG)
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The maps are showing the outside perimeter of the fire (footprint) and does not mean all areas inside have burned.
I'm surprised by the map showing the fire burned south over the town of Lytle Creek. Last coverage I saw it looked like they stopped it at the north side of the RV park. You'd figure the news would be covering if it had burned through Lytle Creek.
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Sarajevo,
Sorry you feel miserable but you truly don't have a clue as to what was going on. Over the last 3 days LACSD sent 400 Deputies to an unfamiliar town with no maps to mutual aid SBCSD. They had a tactical plan, which, I don't feel the need to explain that to you because I'm sure you wouldn't understand, but it worked. The LACSD mutual aid response is complete for this event. They won't be back tonight.
BTW, 3 looters were arrested last night.
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MODIS and VIIRS infrared sensor satellite fire detections across the northwestern front of the fire as of the satellite pass at 11:30pm PDT Thursday, August 18, 2016. The only new infrared satellite detections as of this morning (within the 12 to 24 hours prior to 09:15am PDT Friday, August 19, 2016) are located in the Gobbler's Knob area, approximately 2 miles southeast of Wrightwood. The red line is the "heat perimeter" dated 10:27pm PDT Thursday, August 18, 2016.
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/kml/conus_latest_AFM_bundle.kml (http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/kml/conus_latest_AFM_bundle.kml)
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7513/28468614244_c42f4921d9_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KnF6bC)
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After reading some of the not very well thoughout comments being made about the people who did not evacuate, I had to write this response.
It is sad to believe that anyone could protect your home from crime better than you in the town of Wrightwood. Judging by the slow response times and overall lack of a law enforcement presence here, you are but left to protect yourselves here. The police have mostly been hanging out near the Grizzly and on the main strip next to all of the coffee shops in town. Besides that, I have seen them driving up and down highway 2. That is really it. They are not doing any meaningful patrols of the town. It is up to good neighbors such as myself that did not leave to look over your houses. You cannot attack us (the people that did not evacuate) when we are looking out for you.
As for the garden hose comment, I think most people understand that they will not stop the fire with one. Just because people stayed does not mean that they were ever going to rely on garden hoses. Instead, they figured that everyone else left for naught. Though it got scary as helicopter hill burned, some people kept the faith. The fire-line held over at Pacific Crest. The position of those that did not evacuate has been vindicated.
Some people on this forum have gone as far to say that those who stayed only got in the way of the Police, Fire, and Medical personnel. This could not be a bigger lie. Those who stayed have offered their own assistance. The gas station stayed open to provide fuel and other supplies. Also, the Jensen's Market stayed open to make them sandwiches. Even the cafes stayed open to make them coffee. Were it not for those people staying, the first responders would not have these comforts.
I will say this too. The police have acted with a bit of a chip on their shoulders as well. Some old men hanging out at the gas station after it closed the other day told me a story. They said that the police came around and told them to leave the area because they didn't want any problems. Sad. I would certainly have shown greater respect to my elders than that. Also, the police tried to shut down The Brewery on it's first night open. They told people to leave. Yet, the people proudly held their ground and stayed. Please do not misconstrue this as an assault on those who put their lives on the line every time they put that uniform on. This is simply a critique of how they mishandled a few situations. Beyond that, they have not really gotten in the way of those who stayed behind.
So in closing, I say that I do not regret staying here with my family. We are all safe and well. The air is cleaner up here than down the hill. I have not had to sleep in any parking lots or pay large hotel fees. My heart goes out though for those who have. May your own personal recovery be swift from this disaster. Surely a fundraiser must be made to help those who need it.
Yours Truly,
Sarajevo
Sorry, but I don't expect anybody other than trained police officers to protect my property while I'm evacuated. It's all just stuff and you can't enjoy it if you're dead. That's what insurance is for anyway.
My main concern, however, is that if a large portion of the population stays and waits for there to be imminent danger, then there is only one way out of town and that's Highway 2. We've all seen what the traffic is like during ski season up Highway 2. Imagine if the whole town waited and then tried to evacuate at once with any kind of required urgency. Surely several lives would be lost just because they couldn't get out fast enough.
I do appreciate the people at the coffee shop and the grocery store taking care of our firefighters but I don't think the majority of the people who stayed are providing that same service.
Anyway, thanks for keeping the conversation respectful. :)
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Just a thought on Sarajevo's comment about paying 'hotel fees.' I would check with my insurance co. to see if that was covered in my homeowner's policy.
cheryl o7o
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I see that there is still a hot spot along Hwy 2 so why cant we use Largo Vista/N4? Those of us who worked last Tuesday are being treated unfairly. Either we ALL get out or we ALL get back in!
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Sarajevo,
Sorry you feel miserable but you truly don't have a clue as to what was going on. Over the last 3 days LACSD sent 400 Deputies to an unfamiliar town with no maps to mutual aid SBCSD. They had a tactical plan, which, I don't feel the need to explain that to you because I'm sure you wouldn't understand, but it worked. The LACSD mutual aid response is complete for this event. They won't be back tonight.
BTW, 3 looters were arrested last night.
Do you know why they won't be back tonight? Seems odd, if the evacuation orders are still in place.
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Just a thought on Sarajevo's comment about paying 'hotel fees.' I would check with my insurance co. to see if that was covered in my homeowner's policy.
cheryl o7o
My friends renters insurance covered her hotel. Of course she wants to come home now too.
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Sorry, but I don't expect anybody other than trained police officers to protect my property while I'm evacuated. It's all just stuff and you can't enjoy it if you're dead. That's what insurance is for anyway.
My main concern, however, is that if a large portion of the population stays and waits for there to be imminent danger, then there is only one way out of town and that's Highway 2. We've all seen what the traffic is like during ski season up Highway 2. Imagine if the whole town waited and then tried to evacuate at once with any kind of required urgency. Surely several lives would be lost just because they couldn't get out fast enough.
I do appreciate the people at the coffee shop and the grocery store taking care of our firefighters but I don't think the majority of the people who stayed are providing that same service.
Anyway, thanks for keeping the conversation respectful. :)
I for one am grateful that some of our friends stayed behind and were able to look after our property, pets and gardens etc while the police and fire dept were busy with their primary responsibilities. What do a lot of these folks have in common? They are all members of WW CERT (Community Emergency Response Team).
My understanding is that Wrightwood has one of the premiere CERT organizations in the country. These folks train for days/weeks on various aspects of emergency response, search and rescue, first aid, sheltering in place,traffic control, emergency communications, fire fighter support, etc.
Many of these CERT folks are HAM radio certified and are plugged into county Emergency Communications Organizations and generally know well beforehand what is happening with any given emergency situation. They have training regarding when CERT members themselves need to evacuate.
All CERT members are screened and fingerprinted by the SBC Sheriffs Office before they are issued their ID Badges. I would trust these folks the same or more than police or fire to look after WW community member's property.
CERT members.... Thank You for your service and sacrifice during these trying times.
:2thumbsup:
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Nice that you criticize the police. It's the "in thing" to do lately. So how much crime have you personally stopped by staying up there?
Ah, you must be the forum Troll. Nice to meet you. But i will not pay your toll.
You seem pretty trendy already. I can criticize anything i want. It's called freedom of speech. If you don't like it, then you can always move to China.
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Great point MojaveSideCar.
Here's some news regarding the 138 closure.. direct from the P.O at Oasis and the 138. You can get to the P.O. There is a LEO stationed at Oasis and the 138 and you will not be allowed to go back East on the 138. cheryl o7o
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Sarajevo,
Sorry you feel miserable but you truly don't have a clue as to what was going on. Over the last 3 days LACSD sent 400 Deputies to an unfamiliar town with no maps to mutual aid SBCSD. They had a tactical plan, which, I don't feel the need to explain that to you because I'm sure you wouldn't understand, but it worked. The LACSD mutual aid response is complete for this event. They won't be back tonight.
BTW, 3 looters were arrested last night.
Hey there. I like your name. You certainly act like a tool after all. I am not miserable. Quite the contrary. The town is peaceful and quiet. I have plenty of food, beer, and snacks.
I have more of a clue than those who ran away from town, i can tell you that. As far as tactical goes, I was in the military and my time with them goes quite a while back. Can you even write an operational order? Oh, I can, but i won't waste my time trying to educate a pseudo-intellectual such as yourself. Not sure what, if anything was accomplished by the "authorities".
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Sarajevo
Let's stop the personal attacks or you'll be banned from posting.
Please read this topic about Acceptable vs Unacceptable Forum posting (http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php/topic,13.0.html)
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How Wrightwood was won: Dozers, defiant neighbors and the battle against the Blue Cut Fire (http://www.scpr.org/news/2016/08/19/63738/how-wrightwood-was-won-dozers-defiant-neighbors-an/)
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I for one am grateful that some of our friends stayed behind and were able to look after our property, pets and gardens etc while the police and fire dept were busy with their primary responsibilities. What do a lot of these folks have in common? They are all members of WW CERT (Community Emergency Response Team).
My understanding is that Wrightwood has one of the premiere CERT organizations in the country. These folks train for days/weeks on various aspects of emergency response, search and rescue, first aid, sheltering in place,traffic control, emergency communications, fire fighter support, etc.
Many of these CERT folks are HAM radio certified and are plugged into county Emergency Communications Organizations and generally know well beforehand what is happening with any given emergency situation. They have training regarding when CERT members themselves need to evacuate.
All CERT members are screened and fingerprinted by the SBC Sheriffs Office before they are issued their ID Badges. I would trust these folks the same or more than police or fire to look after WW community member's property.
CERT members.... Thank You for your service and sacrifice during these trying times.
:2thumbsup:
I appreciate the CERT members as well. Are you certain all the people who stayed behind are CERT members though? I, for one, am doubtful.
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The town is peaceful and quiet. I have plenty of food, beer, and snacks... I have more of a clue than those who ran away from town, i can tell you that...
You know, Sarajevo -- I was OK with your original comment. I get it. But with this comment, you showed who you really are. Those of us who evacuated made it possible for people like you to stay, because we emptied the streets enough so fire equipment can move freely. That is the reason for a town-wide evacuation anyway, as I'm sure you know.
I have lived in WW for 13 years. I evacuated in 2009, I evacuated last Tuesday, and if the call comes again I will evacuate then too. The town won't burn down. I don't go because I'm scared. I go so that firefighters can move freely and not worry about me, and apparently so people like you can choose to stay with your food, beer, and snacks.
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Good news for Wrightwood - The latest map I got shows the portion of the fire nearest Wrightwood to be contained a short time ago. I got the map in a text from friends up North but am having trouble attaching the image to this post. I have asked my source for the source but perhaps one of you can find it?
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It is fustrating for thoes of us who did evacuate not to get any information. People down the hill are more concerned about Jonny Depps divorce than people's actual life. Can we get back in to WW yet?
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Regarding CERT and mandatory evacuations, CERT strongly recommends you leave, not stay. Individual CERT members who stayed behind do not represent the stand that CERT holds. If we as Civilian Emergency Response Team members encourage people to stay, we are not representing what we at taught! We are trained to help and keep people safe, not put them into potentially deadly situations.
I am a communicator for Division F. I listened to what the professionals have said we should do. I trust their expertise, not someone's feelings.
CERT is under the direction of San Bernardino County Fire. They instruct us what to do, activate us, deactivate us. We need to represent them as professionally we can.
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Twitter
San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 2 hours ago
#BlueCutFire - Lytle Creek is still under Mandatory Evacuations - Media please help dispel the rumors.. @sbcountysheriff @SBCOUNTYFIRE
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I commend all that stayed. When we experienced the fire in big pines last year, it was evident that there were more important things that needed to be protected, which I understand. It was nice to be there. Its not simply just about the structure or property. Its about the community. Fire will always do their job, but they may not go beyond if there is no personal connection or a more important threat.
Does anyone know if access to table mountain is possible through big pines highway? Eager to get home...
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ABC7 Eyewitness News ?@ABC7 4 minutes ago
#BlueCutFire destroys 96 homes; fire official says number may increase
http://abc7.com/news/firefighters-make-major-gains-against-blue-cut-fire/1476394/
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I give up :)
No I can't. But do need to just ignore some posts.
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I found this map that now shows that a portion of the fire that is threatening Wrightwood as "contained". This is really good news for us:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqPRBrPVUAAdGBU.jpg)
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How Wrightwood was won: Dozers, defiant neighbors and the battle against the Blue Cut Fire (http://www.scpr.org/news/2016/08/19/63738/how-wrightwood-was-won-dozers-defiant-neighbors-an/)
Thanks for posting this, John. Good to see some non-biased opinions both for and against staying behind.
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I agree, Thanks for all you do here John
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I have no problem with the people who stayed. If the fire was on the west side of town I might have stayed but being I live on lone pine at east cyn. And was taking a trailer I left Tuesday night. In fact I am glad a few of my neighbors stayed
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http://www.scpr.org/news/2016/08/19/63738/how-wrightwood-was-won-dozers-defiant-neighbors-an/
Interesting article about the dozer line:
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Clyde Ranch video just posted:
https://www.facebook.com/ABC7Leticia/videos/1756701421252085/
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Watch Leticia's Facebook page; she is heading up to Wrightwood currently and will probably be continuing to post her cell videos as she did the first day. Thanks, Leticia!
https://www.facebook.com/ABC7Leticia/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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Good video....
Sure wish the wind was so bad in her mic
Clyde Ranch video just posted:
https://www.facebook.com/ABC7Leticia/videos/1756701421252085/
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Per Air Attack and Ops Radio traffic: 415.400
Drone reported in the area - point of origin and I15 (Div A)
Keeping an eye on where it's going/landing
Not shutting down operations at this time
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Drone reported in the area - point of origin and I15 (Div A)
I sure hope they crucify one of those knuckleheads some day.
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The LACSD mutual aid response is complete for this event. They won't be back tonight.
That doesn't make me feel any worse about staying.
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Caltrans District 8 ?@Caltrans8 2 minutes ago
SR 138 EAST of I-15 is now completely open to Crestline. SR 138 remains closed from I-15 west to LA Co Line
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqQEbbyUAAEaZk5.jpg)
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What about Rosalie Johnson's ranch?
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InciWeb
Damage Assessment
Incident: Bluecut Fire Wildfire
Released: 4 min. ago
A Damage Assessment Team working under the Blue Cut Fire Unified Command
announced today that a preliminary estimate of 96 single family residences and
213 outbuildings were destroyed by the Blue Cut Fire. This is a preliminary report.
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CHP Inland Division ?@CHPInland 7 minutes ago
#BlueCutFire UPDATE- All businesses near I15 and SR138 are closed, including gas stations. Please plan accordingly. No ETA for opening.
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"96 homes destroyed plus 200+ outbuildings!" My God in heaven. Just prayers for those that lost their homes and structures. cheryl o7o
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Daily Press @VVDailyPress
Cajon Pass Commuter: #BlueCutFire worst-case scenario for drivers going up & down the hill (http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/20160819/cajon-pass-commuter-bluecut-fire-is-worst-case-scenario)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqQbJbXVYAA6UeI.jpg:large)
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Caroline Aoyagi-Stom ?@SCE_CarolineA 10 minutes ago
@SCE crews set up staging area as #BlueCutFire restoration efforts begin
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqQddy4UAAAM242.jpg:large)
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BluecutFire Additional evacuation orders lifted in Phelan
Evacuations Lifted In Phelan
Immediate Release
August 19, 2016
Effective Friday, August 19th, at 5:30 p.m., the mandatory evacuation orders for all residents south of Phelan Road west of Green Road to Snowline Road, affected by the Blue Cut Fire will be lifted.
Johnson Road, Sheep Creek Road and Beekley Road south of Phelan Road will re-open.
We appreciate all the people who evacuated in this area. The Blue Cut Fire is burning very aggressively and at one time posed a real danger to residents living in these areas.
We ask that residents returning to the evacuation zone exercise caution. Firefighters, engines, and heavy equipment continue to operate in the area. The San Bernardino County Sheriff will continue enhanced patrols through these areas with additional units.
The remaining mandatory evacuations will be lifted as soon as the danger to residents has been reduced.
Further information: Information Call Center (909) 383-5688 or http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962
WELCOME HOME!!
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This is cool.. But they still are using old coordinates for the evac area. Nonetheless.. I am bringing my horses home tomorrow. cheryl o7o
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Do you know why they won't be back tonight? Seems odd, if the evacuation orders are still in place.
I won't reveal tactical information due to my confidentiality responsibility, other than they will not be back tonight. They were released by SBCSD command.
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Update 3:37 p.m.: Mandatory evacuations lifted for portions of Phelan
Mandatory evacuations have been lifted for residents of areas in southern Phelan. The San Bernardino Sheriff's Department said Friday afternoon that areas west of Baldy Mesa Road to Wilson Ranch Road south of Phelan Road to Mission Street were reopened.
You can see a map of affected areas below
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqQzbtgVIAAEpJD.jpg:large)
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UPDATE: Fire chief praises strike team; firefighters still concerned about Wrightwood (http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/20160819/update-fire-chief-praises-strike-team-firefighters-still-concerned-about-wrightwood)
Any word on when that federal aid will arrive?
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Local Assistance Center set up for people affected by #BlueCutFire at SBC Fairgrounds in Victorville.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqPZezCUMAAUQPS.jpg:large)
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Facebook
Marshua Dyer shared Marlene Estrada Munoz's video
This was Tuesday, coming up Hwy.138
https://www.facebook.com/marlene.estradamunoz/videos/1437002552981749/
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Here are some photos from a friend
https://www.facebook.com/DallasBMX/media_set?set=a.10202088169281271.1073741865.1698550391&type=3&pnref=story
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Per Air Attack and Ops Radio traffic: 415.400
Drone reported in the area - point of origin and I15 (Div A)
Keeping an eye on where it's going/landing
Not shutting down operations at this time
This is the kind of thing that might be mitigated by good news coverage. I didn't want to suggest it, but when I said yesterday that keeping the helicopter over the fire and keeping that feed available online the entire time would probably help some of these yahoos keep their drones grounded. Maybe not, but that's my thinking.
By the way, I bet they are holding back on allowing people back home to wait and see what this change in the weather pattern in the next few days will bring.
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This young reporter must have thought she had the human interest story of a lifetime as she talked about this Wrightwood neighborhood that was not going to leave. All I can say is watch it and make up your own mind. For those who don't know, this is the structure on the corner of Mountain Spring and Hwy 2.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video/category/news/3449330-blue-cut-fire-threatens-wildhorse-canyon-near-wrightwood/ (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video/category/news/3449330-blue-cut-fire-threatens-wildhorse-canyon-near-wrightwood/)
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INCIDENT UPDATED 1 MIN. AGO
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
Basic Information
Current as of 8/19/2016, 8:39:17 PM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS In Unified Command With CAL FIRE, San Bernardino County Fire And Other Cooperating Agencies.
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 2,684
Size 37,020 Acres
Percent of Perimeter Contained 40%
Fuels Involved
Heavy brush
Significant Events
A Damage Assessment Team working under the Blue Cut Fire Unified Command announced today that a preliminary estimate of 96 single family residences and 213 outbuildings were destroyed by the Blue Cut Fire. This is a preliminary report.
Outlook
Planned Actions
Provide structure defense. Establish containment lines as opportunities present. Reinforce existing containment lines. Assess for damaged / destroyed structures. Assist with repopulation where possible.
Projected Incident Activity
Interagency Incident Management Team 4 (Opliger) has assumed command of the fire.
Remarks
Initially, roughly 34,500 structures were threatened; the
number is updated to approximately 3,198 structures in and around the communities of Wrightwood, Lytle Creek,
and the West Cajon Valley area:
As a result from the initial evacuated population of some
82,649 people, approximately 7,000 civilians remain evacuated.
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Moderate fire behavior associated with the northwest portion of the fire. Isolated
interior fire as unburned fuels are consumed.
RED FLAG warning for the area continues through 2100 Friday.
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Anyone who may have been in or around the area of southbound Interstate 15 between Cleghorn and Kenwood Roads or along Old Cajon Boulevard through this same section on Tuesday, August 16th, between 10:00 am and 11:00 am and believe that they may have seen something suspicious is asked to share that information.
I understand what they are asking, but I think that's the kind of area that you probably DON'T want to look closely at people doing "suspicious" things in the bushes. They just don't patrol that "alternative people" area anywhere near enough. From what I understand it's a free for all in there. I sometimes wonder what kind of things unsuspecting passers by stumble across.
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That may be. I'm betting that patrols will be stepped up in that area. There is a lot of traffic on Cajon Blvd/66, much of from people passing through on the way to other places.
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I agree Joe,
When we first got into our place I took some dual sport rides around the area and explored the dirt roads. I was once stopped at the train crossing on Sheep Creek dirt road. I was sitting there waiting and drinking some water when A pair of SBCSD exited their car and approached me. I was thinking what did I do. They asked how is it going and am I alone. Yep, new to the area and riding around a bit. They told me to be careful being by myself and they explained to me what goes on. Really? OK thanks for the tip. So fast forward 11 yrs later and 10 yrs. volunteering with the FS I couldn't believe the chaos that went on in Big Rock Creek. BBq's by the water, fire rings, you name it, it went on. Now, there is no parking signs every where in there and it's much easier to control fire compliance and run them off. While I'm at it, I've been raking cigarette butts out of my yard for 12 yrs now. Pretty stupid. Recently, there was a video posted of a guy filming some fire activity on the east side and he waves his hand past his recording device and he's got a cigarette in his hand. Brilliant. There's a lot that goes on in our local campgrounds and surrounding ridges a lot of people don't see or know about. I've seen a lot of stupid people over the years and it's amazing this has happened sooner.
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Hello everyone. My name is Scott and my wife and I just bought a house and moved up to wrightwood in January and we cannot believe how nice the town is and how friendly people are. I am a paramedic and have had access the the areas that are all shut down. I wanted to show you all pictures of the area of lone pine and the 138. This whole area from lone pine to Clyde Ranch is all burnt and gone. At Clyde ranch there are a few structures that had been lost. After the Ranch heading towards town all of the vegetation was still there on both the North and south sides. The fire fighters have a good handle on the hill to the south east of the town where the fire is smoldering. Here are the pictures. And I'd like to thank all who stayed and looked after the unwanted guests in the town. I would have been right beside you if I didn't have a 2 week old girl at home. Here are the pictures. (http://)
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Here's an article from Press Enterprise about the Blue Cut Fire not qualifying for federal disaster aid.
http://www.pe.com/articles/fire-811151-county-san.html (http://www.pe.com/articles/fire-811151-county-san.html)
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I don't know exactly where the fire started, but if the Blue Cut area was burned, then hopefully all that "activity" in that area will have to move some place else. We have lived in Wrightwood for 22 years and I drive Cajon Blvd quite a lot to avoid traffic on the 15. It has always bemused me that the activity down there is ignored by law enforcement (so it is basically condoned).
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Hello everyone. My name is Scott and my wife and I just bought a house and moved up to wrightwood in January and we cannot believe how nice the town is and how friendly people are. I am a paramedic and have had access the the areas that are all shut down. I wanted to show you all pictures of the area of lone pine and the 138. This whole area from lone pine to Clyde Ranch is all burnt and gone. At Clyde ranch there are a few structures that had been lost. After the Ranch heading towards town all of the vegetation was still there on both the North and south sides. The fire fighters have a good handle on the hill to the south east of the town where the fire is smoldering. Here are the pictures. And I'd like to thank all who stayed and looked after the unwanted guests in the town. I would have been right beside you if I didn't have a 2 week old girl at home. Here are the pictures. (http://)
Welcome to town Scott. We were here during the Sheep Fire in 09 and it burned all of the Swarthout Valley up Lone Pine. That was knew growth that burned recently. They were able to save Clyde's Ranch completely then with much more fuels in there at the time. I don't know what went wrong this time. BTW, no pictures were embedded.
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I don't know exactly where the fire started, but if the Blue Cut area was burned, then hopefully all that "activity" in that area will have to move some place else. We have lived in Wrightwood for 22 years and I drive Cajon Blvd quite a lot to avoid traffic on the 15. It has always bemused me that the activity down there is ignored by law enforcement (so it is basically condoned).
I'm betting that road will be closed for a very long time.
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Is that article about not getting FIMA funds true? We are not considered a federal disaster? I hope that is not true !
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Also is WW opening up today? I wanna go home!!
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Hi Scott and welcome. Having problems with the pics?
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_BlueCut.IR.KMZ.8.20.16.a.jpg)
For those with Google Earth - KMZ file (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/BlueCut.IR.KMZ.8.20.16.kmz)
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_BlueCut.IR.8.20.16.a..JPG)
Larger PDF file (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_BLUECUT_IR_Map.8.20.16.pdf)
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The article said that Blue Cut didn't meet the threshold for federal disaster aid. It didn't say what the threshold was. I hope County officials are working with Rep.Cook, Feinstein and Boxer to address this. cheryl o7o
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Me too! I am amazed how the Fed can say no yet this is one of the larger fires. If I had one of the 96 homes and one of the 200+ out buildings and they told me we did not meet the threshold... What do we need loss of life. Give me a break! 82000 displaced people? And threshold not met! Good lord.
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_Ops_8.20.16.JPG)
Enlarged Wrightwood area
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_Ops_8.20.16.b.JPG)
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_Ops_8.20.16.legend.JPG)
PDF Version (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_Ops_8.20.16.pdf)
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So much for "transparency". Where are the tankers? I paid my fire fees. I feel that one little hot spot along Hwy 2 is there just to keep us from going home!
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Much of the time tankers were unable to fly due to turbulent conditions. Fire fees are not for fire suppression.
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So much for "transparency". Where are the tankers? I paid my fire fees. I feel that one little hot spot along Hwy 2 is there just to keep us from going home!
You pay the fire fee to CalFire alone and it was supposed to be for "fire prevention" when it started....not for trucks, firefighters or aircraft.
You have no air tankers because there is no longer a need for them on this fire. They have moved on to the fire in Lake Isabella, Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo and other fires around the state and nation. We had predominently federal air tankers although there were also many CalFire tankers and helos when the needs were immediate. The nation is at Planning Level 4 which means that significant amounts of people, engines, dozers and aircraft are committed to fires around the country. The resources are allocated based on immediate need for life or large amounts of property. All of the pilots who flew here....landed...refueled and are dropping somewhere else in the country. I was on a fire last year in northern CA with 1 medium helicopter for almost 4 days before they could shake another loose. Our fire up north was in wilderness and not threatening any towns or homes. Remember that there are major fires burning in 7 western states that are all requesting scarce resources that we compete with. Thankfully, Blue Cut is on the down hill slide to complete containment.
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More looters arrested per county text information system , they need to let us back in, half the population is already there anyway
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A link to a face book series of posts on the Blue Cut fire. Some amazing photos and videos
https://www.facebook.com/topic/Blue-Cut-Fire/117337844943092?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6320940788486658231 (https://www.facebook.com/topic/Blue-Cut-Fire/117337844943092?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6320940788486658231)
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Jim Wilkins, I always love your informative posts. Can I ask: What is the legitimate reason for not letting us back in at this point? I would understand if the fire had actually come through Wrightwood, with downed power lines and other hazards, hot spots in the area, etc. Makes sense for West Cajon ... But it didn't, and that little area of heat around Gobbler's Knob doesn't seem threatening at all ... far less than just the Sharp Fire a few years ago. I'm starting to feel frustrated, and would rather not feel that way. We evacuated as soon as the call came, hoping to stay out of everyone's way, and I'd like to keep thinking that was the right choice.
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INCIDENT UPDATED 18 MIN. AGO
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
Uptade 8/20/16 AM
Incident: Blue Cut Fire Wildfire
Released: 55 min. ago
Related Information
Fire Status: Overnight firefighters made good progress and will continue to work
aggressively today to gain additional containment of the fire along with mopping up all
areas of the fire in an effort to move toward repopulation of evacuated areas.
Additionally, utility companies will continue to work in the fire area to replace damaged or
destroyed infrastructure. The Damage Assessment Team has confirmed that the fire has
destroyed 105 single family homes and 213 other minor structures.
For information on damaged or destroyed homes please contact the Local Assistance
Center at 760-539-3093 between 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. The County of San Bernardino
will also make a notification to residents in the affected areas via the Telephone
Emergency Notification System.
Basic Information
Current as of 8/20/2016, 9:06:57 AM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS CIIMT 4 - Opliger SBCo Fire - Felgar CAL-FIRE - Shaw SBCo Sheriff - Dorsey CHP - Dominguez
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 2,684
Size 37,020 Acres
Percent of Perimeter Contained 68%
Fuels Involved
Heavy brush
Significant Events
A Damage Assessment Team working under the Blue Cut Fire Unified Command announced today that a preliminary estimate of 96 single family residences and 213 outbuildings were destroyed by the Blue Cut Fire. This is a preliminary report.
Outlook
Planned Actions
Provide structure defense. Complete containment lines; reinforce existing containment lines. Continue to assess for damaged/destroyed structures. Assist with repopulation where possible. Prepare for the approval and integration of the suppression repair plan.
Projected Incident Activity
Interagency Incident Management Team 4 (Opliger) has assumed command of the fire.
Remarks
Initially, roughly 34,500 structures were threatened; the
number is updated to approximately 3,198 structures in and around the communities of Wrightwood, Lytle Creek,
and the West Cajon Valley area:
As a result from the initial evacuated population of some
82,649 people. Approximately 7,000 civilians remain evacuated.
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Moderate relative humidity recovery - 30 to 60 %; minimum temps of 58-68; ridgetop winds will be southwest 5-18 mph with gusts 15-25mph. Slope and valley winds variable 2-10 mph with gusts 8-18 mph.
RED FLAG warning for the area expired Friday night at 2100.
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More looters arrested per county text information system , they need to let us back in, half the population is already there anyway
Do you have any more info on that? All I can find is a rehashing of the 3 they caught a few days ago. I heard some scofflaw stay behinds chased someone away from a house in Lytle Creek, but haven't heard anything up here.
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See Reply #469 about more looting
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Jim Wilkins, I always love your informative posts. Can I ask: What is the legitimate reason for not letting us back in at this point? I would understand if the fire had actually come through Wrightwood, with downed power lines and other hazards, hot spots in the area, etc. Makes sense for West Cajon ... But it didn't, and that little area of heat around Gobbler's Knob doesn't seem threatening at all ...
TimG, I'm definitely not Jim Wilkins. We don't look anything alike. :) But if you check the maps that Wrightwood loaded this morning, you will see that the "uncontrolled fire line" is very much active and pretty close. I'm hoping we can go home today too, but it appears to be more than a single hot spot. Of course, I yield to Jim's knowledge and experience!
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See Reply #469 about more looting
Thanks, missed that one.
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ChrisLynnet, that fire hasn't moved in days, there are two breaks dug in between, the red flag conditions are gone, and it would have to go through the Sharp Fire burn area to get to WW, which still doesn't have much vegetation. I'm not a firefighter, though, so don't know, which is why I'd love to hear from someone who does, but it doesn't seem at all threatening to me. Jim even said that this is on the "downward slide to full containment" and doesn't warrant the use of air support.
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Jim Wilkins, I always love your informative posts. Can I ask: What is the legitimate reason for not letting us back in at this point? I would understand if the fire had actually come through Wrightwood, with downed power lines and other hazards, hot spots in the area, etc. Makes sense for West Cajon ... But it didn't, and that little area of heat around Gobbler's Knob doesn't seem threatening at all ... far less than just the Sharp Fire a few years ago. I'm starting to feel frustrated, and would rather not feel that way. We evacuated as soon as the call came, hoping to stay out of everyone's way, and I'd like to keep thinking that as the right choice.
I share your pain. I sit with my horses and dogs down at a safe place in Phelan. I actually had been dispatched to the fire as a PIO when it blew up and we got out. It is frustrating. The sky is clear and no smoke seen. I would share that there are so many factors involved before you release an evacuated area back in.....all of them involving safety. They won't open the hiway until all the powerpoles and roadside guards are replaced. The management team and the Sheriffs are working to get all the roadblocks open. They honestly do know how these things affect residents. Look for something sooner then later (how's that for hedging a bet)
I will tell you I have been on 6 fire where we had significant civilian fatalities which occurred when folks stayed behind and were caught or died on roads congested with those "who knew when it was time to get out" and by 100 foot flame lengths and they died in their cars. I have been on three fires were firefighters were severely burned going in after folks who had snuck around the roadblocks and the fires blew up. Be frustrated....I am. But know you made a good and reasonable call. In the almost 50 years I have lived in Wrightwood, fire has not come into the village as a fire storm but it can and if it does, it will be hell on earth.
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I think the longer it takes to allow folks to return to their homes will cause fewer people to evacuate next time.
I have guests in my spare bedroom waiting to return to ww and I don't think they will evac when asked next time.
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Thanks, Jim Wilkins, that helps.
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Great response Jim, thank you. I decided not to be mad at the people who stayed, what good does it do? And a number of them are helping as best they can, including looking after my cat! But it's impossible to explain to them why "knowing when to get out" may be the wrong, wrong decision. I do wish that so many of them would stop saying that they stayed because they are firefighting families. They should know better than anyone what can and does happen. Ah well.
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I will tell you I have been on 6 fire where we had significant civilian fatalities which occurred when folks stayed behind and were caught or died on roads congested with those "who knew when it was time to get out" and by 100 foot flame lengths and they died in their cars. I have been on three fires were firefighters were severely burned going in after folks who had snuck around the roadblocks and the fires blew up. Be frustrated....I am. But know you made a good and reasonable call. In the almost 50 years I have lived in Wrightwood, fire has not come into the village as a fire storm but it can and if it does, it will be hell on earth.
Jim,
Thanks for the insight. Definitely good points to consider as I weigh whether to stay in the future. I'm certainly not as experienced as most here and wouldn't feel confident to stay. I do appreciate the discussions regarding this here, and the passionate debate.
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There are no down power poles and guard rails on Largo Vista/N4!! Let us back in!!!
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I will tell you I have been on 6 fire where we had significant civilian fatalities which occurred when folks stayed behind and were caught or died on roads congested with those "who knew when it was time to get out" and by 100 foot flame lengths and they died in their cars.
Remember a few days ago, when some truck driver decided to take Hwy 18 eastbound, east of I-15, and got stuck on "hair pin turns". Well, that closed Highway 18 for a while over there.
We already have lost 2 of the 3 ways in/out of Wrightwood, with SR-2/Big Pines to our west being the only way in and out. What if, during this "we know when its finally time to leave" moment, someone had an accident, or stalled vehicle, that blocked that only remaining way out of town. That would be bad.
Yea, I can see why it's probably better to have the majority of traffic gone, before it's too late.
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I think the longer it takes to allow folks to return to their homes will cause fewer people to evacuate next time.
True.
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Jim, Chris..
Great points. (Chris.. I have it on good authority that you do look like Jim.. without the mustache.)
I understand the frustration that folks here are expressing. It's one thing to be away from home on a vacation. It is vastly different in this situation. You have very little time to pack up everything that is important to you. And, there isn't room for everything. You're worried about your home and property. You're worried about livestock and pets you had to leave behind. You're worried about looting. Your adrenaline works for awhile and then you're just drained from anxiety. You can't sleep so you're even more drained. (I'm talking about myself here.) Social media becomes an outlet for the frustration. Sometimes some of us.. express that frustration in ways we shouldn't. It's human and understandable. We all react to a crisis in different ways. So, lettuce give one another a bit of room for our various meltdowns. (This does not mean we can't give a smack-down to someone that needs it.)
Let's stay focused. WW hasn't lost any homes that I've heard about. The folks in the WCV have a whole world of hurt to deal with. Our community will need to reach out to them .. however we can. And, when this is over and everyone is home.. those that still have a home.. we should debrief a bit about this whole experience. One thing I know for sure is that this site is golden. best to everyone, cheryl o7o
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Trail cam footage recovered from fire, pay attention to the time stamp
http://schoutdoors.com/threads/trail-cam-goes-out-in-a-blaze-of-glory.10011/
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I agree with Jim's post.
I'm a retired CalFire Captain, with a lot of fire experience.
I evacuated with my dogs and cats.
If a crown fire took off, there would not be time to get out.
I feel that everyone should evacuate, and that people who don't endanger firefighters, but I'm not going to argue about it. Those currently in, or retired from, the fire service should know this, and be examples, and the first to evacuate.
But I'm not going to argue about it.
I'm as frustrated as anyone else about not being home.
But I have faith in, and respect for, those in charge of battling this fire and keeping us safe.
I'll play by the rules.
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Words of Wisdom from people who know and have fire fighting experience. Okay Nolena you owe me $20 for saying something good or positive about you (and Jim).
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Remember a few days ago, when some truck driver decided to take Hwy 18 eastbound, east of I-15, and got stuck on "hair pin turns". Well, that closed Highway 18 for a while over there.
We already have lost 2 of the 3 ways in/out of Wrightwood, with SR-2/Big Pines to our west being the only way in and out. What if, during this "we know when its finally time to leave" moment, someone had an accident, or stalled vehicle, that blocked that only remaining way out of town. That would be bad.
Yea, I can see why it's probably better to have the majority of traffic gone, before it's too late.
It would probably be a jam up caused by all the news crews. There seemed to be more news vans driving around then residents.
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Jim, Chris.. Great points. (Chris.. I have it on good authority that you do look like Jim.. without the mustache.)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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It would probably be a jam up caused by all the news crews. There seemed to be more news vans driving around then residents.
The solution is simple! We all need to apply for Press Passes, so we can ignore the signs :)
(just kidding!)
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Ok...such a curve ball here, but If I can get up to the Mtn High West Lot (and still blocked) would I be allowed to ride my bike into WW and attend to my home?
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Come up largo vista. Lots of cars parked in MH that did exactly that.
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Ok...such a curve ball here, but If I can get up to the Mtn High West Lot (and still blocked) would I be allowed to ride my bike into WW and attend to my home?
There was a blockade at Jackson Lake the other day, so probably not from that direction.
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I'm sure that I represent a large number of people who are simply thankful for the continued efforts of everyone involved in saving the town of Wrightwood from destruction, regardless of any personal inconvenience. While we may miss our homes, we are grateful beyond words for having homes to return to...whenever that time arrives.
This is a microwave generation where people seem to expect everything to happen at video-game speed. I blame the zeitgeist of this age and an overinflated sense of entitlement to having things go one's personal way in nearly every situation. Those of us who are older, and have seen how things often spiral out of control in the blink of an eye, are more willing to wait and be content with knowing that we will soon have the joy of coming home.
During this brief time of waiting, I urge those anxious to return to our beautiful little town to spend some of your time in prayer for those whose lives have been forever changed by the enormity of their losses. It will turn your focus to where it ought to be and perhaps move you with compassion to assist them in some way in the days and weeks to come.
At the very least. ..it should help you wait a little longer.
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Hearing a rumor that was coming from I guess in front of the hardware store from fire crews that at noon they were going to let voluntary return with ID any thing on this?
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The solution is simple! We all need to apply for Press Passes, so we can ignore the signs :)
(just kidding!)
just to lighten us up, Bob C, here you go, what are friends for anyway (has your pic too)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/Untitled-1_zpspdd2he53.jpg)
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just to lighten us up, Bob C, here you go, what are friends for anyway (has your pic too)
Oh thanks a lot, Chuck! I printed the thing, and tried to bust through the barricade with my iPhone cam. I was pulled out of the car, and proned out. I'm on my way to jail. Please send bail money! #Press Lives Matter
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I was pulled out of the car, and proned out.
Don't let them take you through the Blue Cut area.
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Oh Ezzpete... So LOL. cheryl o7o
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The key word is rumor.
When the official word is put out we'll all know within minutes.
Hearing a rumor that was coming from I guess in front of the hardware store from fire crews that at noon they were going to let voluntary return with ID any thing on this?
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I know how rumors go. I just had to pay for another night were I am staying. Because I don't what's going on.
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3 more arrests made in Blue Cut fire evacuation areas - Sun article (http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20160820/3-more-arrests-made-in-blue-cut-fire-evacuation-areas)
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Jim and Nolena, thank you so much for your input! I too am frustrated at not being allowed back home yet. I not only left my house, but my business! Since the last mandatory evacuation I now live in a "Evacuation Prepared Mode". Because of this, I was driving out with my Jeep fully loaded within 10 min. of evacuation notification. Call me what you will, but as soon as I saw the smoke plume, I started staging stuff by the front door! My cat has his own emergency "to go" bag, which includes a battery operated crate fan to keep his carrier cool. He has some issues and I knew that this would be more difficult for him than animals that I evacuated with in the past. I believe that half the stuff in my Jeep was for him! This was his first time away from home, with the exception of annual vet visits and he is not dealing well at all. I will be adding a pheromone diffuser and some kind of anxiety medication to his evacuation bag, something that I did not even think about before. My heart goes out to those who were unable to get back home to take their pets with them. That has always been one of my biggest fears. I pray that everyone is safe!
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I should have added, that although frustrated at not being allowed back home yet, I am staying put until it's safe to return! I don't want to evacuate again anytime soon with a screaming cat! He is now safe and cozy and taking refuge in the towel cupboard in my mom's bathroom!
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Caltrans District 8 ?@Caltrans8 14 seconds ago
#CajonPass I-15 -- all ramps reopen at Cleghorn and Kenwood #Caltrans8 #BlueCutFire
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Ok...such a curve ball here, but If I can get up to the Mtn High West Lot (and still blocked) would I be allowed to ride my bike into WW and attend to my home?
We came up N4 from the 138. The officer at mthigh west said the same rumor posted earlier. "Rumor Only, Noon today for residents with ID."
Like Wrightwood says, you'll get the official notice on here fast.
The officer also said you can walk past and go to Wrightwood. Not sure about biking.
We chose another alternative that I will take to my grave..... :eyebrows:
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SB County Sheriff ?@sbcountysheriff 20s20 seconds ago
#BlueCutFire - mandatory evac orders for Wrightwood reduced to voluntary 12:00pm today for RESIDENTS ONLY verification needed at Hwy138/Hwy2
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I just saw that -- it's real, right? I mean, does SB Fire know about it? I'm packing up!
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Pac-Fan, I KNOW what you did! - - - I did the same thing last night :-)
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I just saw that -- it's real, right? I mean, does SB Fire know about it? I'm packing up!
SB County Fire Retweeted
InciWeb ?@inciweb 5m5 minutes ago
#BlueCutFire #CA #CABDF http://bit.ly/2bKuQLe Blue Cut Fire: Wrightwood Residents allowed to return
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SBSD - Headquarters
Advisory: Blue Cut Fire - Wrightwood RESIDENTS ONLY allowed to return home today at 12:00 verification required at Hwy138/Hwy2
Evacuations reduced to Voluntary in Wrightwood
Immediate Release
August 20, 2016 at 12:00pm
Effective Saturday, August 20th, at 12:00 p.m., the mandatory evacuation orders for the community of Wrightwood will be reduced to voluntary. RESIDENTS ONLY will be allowed past the road closure at Hwy 138 / Hwy 2 by providing verification of residency to personnel assigned at the road closure.
We appreciate all the people who evacuated the Wrightwood area. The Blue Cut Fire posed a real danger to residents living in these areas. Your safety remains our top concern.
We ask that residents returning to the evacuation zone exercise caution. Firefighters, engines, and heavy equipment continue to operate in the area. The San Bernardino County Sheriff will continue enhanced patrols through these areas with additional units.
The remaining mandatory evacuations will be lifted as soon as the danger to residents has been reduced.
Further information: Information Call Center (909) 383-5688 or http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962
WELCOME HOME!!
Public Affairs Division (909) 387-3700
JOHN McMAHON, Sheriff-Coroner
San Bernardino County Sheriff-Coroner Department
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138 is still closed from 2 to the freeway correct?
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Caltrans show all closed
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Working on getting a clarification on Hwy 138.
The SBCSD release says
Wrightwood RESIDENTS ONLY allowed to return home today at 12:00 (Sat 8-20) verification required at Hwy138/Hwy2
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provide verification of residency to personnel assigned at the road closure
You need to show something that has your street address and name on it. Tax bill - utility bill - etc.
Drivers License with a PO Box may not work.
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Looks like people are entering from the West (Beekley Rd) portion of Hwy 138
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqUyuplUkAAh2uz.jpg)
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It doesn't include the west end of west Cajon valley, huh?
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Correct - West Cajon Valley and Hwy 138 between I15 and Hwy remain closed
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Another proof of residency would be a vehicle registration with street address listed.
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At this point: People with vehicles parked at MT High cannot enter at the area. They would need to drive to Hwy 138 and Hwy 2.
Again: Hwy 138 remains closed between I15 and Hwy 2 (West Cajon Valley)
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Just did some rough calculation how long it would take my son to get home:
Let's say 3000 people evacuated that want to come back now and let's further assume there are two people per car on average, that means there will be 1500 cars entering WW. Let's also assume that on average the check for residency take 15-20 seconds, that means about 500 minutes spend on checking the cars into WW. That's EIGHT hours!
And then, who thought to bring a tax bill with the physical address when evacuating? But there I might have some good news, I was checked last night and my ID with the PO Box was good enough.
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They wait time people were just told at mthigh west would be another 4 hours. There are some pretty unhappy people up there right now. The officers at the post are getting an earful!
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Hows that for bureaucracy?
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And then, who thought to bring a tax bill with the physical address when evacuating?
Every PO Box holder in Wrightwood received an emergency magnet in April 2015 with Proof of Residency listed on the evacuation checklist
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/WFSC.Magnet.4.27.15.a.JPG)
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Merlinsilk, I know many families with multiple cars. Many loaded all of their vehicles up and drove out. That would put even more cars on the road back home! So, it could be more than 4 hours! I'm just glad to be going home, and having a home to go back to!
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(http://s3.amazonaws.com/nixle/uploads/pub_media/user21447-1471727925-media1)
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Here's one reason why Hwy 138 remains closed.
Jennifer Maher Verified account ?@JCMaherPhoto 1 hour ago
Utility crews repair power lines damaged by the #BlueCutFire along highway 138 west of the 15 freeway
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqVEZhJVIAAa9cl.jpg:large)
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Got in an hour and a half ago with just a driver's license. One officer asked me for my physical address. That was it. Beekley was slow going but from there on not bad. Had to slow down briefly for the driver's license check twice, but pretty painless. Looks a bit slower right now if, looking at Google Maps.
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We came through about 3:30 -- turned us around at the 15 and the 138. (I wasn't sure if that was still closed, it was.) Went north to 395/Phelan Rd. Checkpoint at Beekley and the 138, waved us through. Checkpoint at the 2 and 138. Looked at my CDL and asked my street address, which I gave him. "Welcome home!" Oh and Elk, thank you so much for your initial post and THANK YOU TO THIS FORUM! I like Facebook too, but no facts there. I always came here for the real thing.
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Can you get in from he West yet?
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Video of the fire fight from several different areas of the fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeZlWQiDbaA
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Pac-Fan, I KNOW what you did! - - - I did the same thing last night :-)
:wink3:
I wasn't about to sit there another 1.5 hrs only to be told we'd have to wait another 4 hours or GO BACK down N4 to 138 to the 2! ::)
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We came home from the Glendale area leaving 2:45 and arriving about 4:40.
Our route was 5 to 14 to Pearblossum 138 to the 2. There were 3 check points,
one at Beekley and the 138... about 50% of the folks in line there were turned away.
We showed my wife's DL which has our physical address on it.
The next was 138 and 2, but we were the only ones in sight.
The third was at 2 and Desert front.. in each case, upon checking her DL the officers
said "Welcome Home"
the cabin was just as we left it. No smoke smell or ashes...
the oven timer was flashing and ten minutes behind time so it looks like we only lost about 10 minutes of power.
SO Glad to be home.
:2thumbsup:
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Soooo very happy you're all making it home safely.
I did get word from a neighbor that our home is fine. The fire went around both our houses. Amazing...
A little tile roof charring, she says, but in good shape. I can't wait to see it myself.
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Smokey on the east side but still nice to be home
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CAL FIRE ?@CAL_FIRE 11m11 minutes ago California, USA
#BlueCutFire [update] N of San Bernardino (San Bernardino Co) now 37,020 acres & 73% cont. http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
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Any new info on the checkpoint up at Big Pines? Can we enter there now and what wait times are to be expected?
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There now seems to be a lot more helicopter traffic above - what does that mean?
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Bluecut Fire
INCIDENT UPDATED 4 MIN. AGO
Basic Information
Current as of 8/20/2016, 6:33:37 PM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS CIIMT 4 - Opliger SBCo Fire - Felgar CAL-FIRE - Shaw SBCo Sheriff - Dorsey CHP - Dominguez
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 2,684
Size 37,020 Acres
Percent of Perimeter Contained 73%
Fuels Involved
Heavy brush
Significant Events
A Damage Assessment Team working under the Blue Cut Fire Unified Command announced today that a preliminary estimate of 105 single family residences and 213 outbuildings were destroyed by the Blue Cut Fire. This is a preliminary report.
Outlook
Planned Actions
Provide structure defense. Complete containment lines; reinforce existing containment lines. Continue to assess for damaged/destroyed structures. Assist with repopulation where possible. Prepare for the approval and integration of the suppression repair plan.
Projected Incident Activity
Interagency Incident Management Team 4 (Opliger) has assumed command of the fire.
Remarks
Initially, roughly 34,500 structures were threatened; the
number is updated to approximately 3,198 structures in and around the communities of Wrightwood, Lytle Creek,
and the West Cajon Valley area:
As a result from the initial evacuated population of some
82,649 people. Approximately 7,000 civilians remain evacuated.
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Moderate relative humidity recovery - 30 to 60 %; minimum temps of 58-68; ridgetop winds will be southwest 5-18 mph with gusts 15-25mph. Slope and valley winds variable 2-10 mph with gusts 8-18 mph.
RED FLAG warning for the area expired Friday night at 2100.
MANDATORY EVACUATIONS AREAS
The Community of Lytle Creek Canyon
West Cajon Valley
VOLUNTARY EVACUATIONS
The community of Wrightwood is open to residents only (must present proof of address).
INTERSTATE 15
I-15 North and Southbound is open through the Cajon Pass. Please exercise extreme caution as crews an equipment are still working along the road.
All ramps remain closed at: Kenwood Avenue and Cleghorn Road.
ROAD CLOSURES
Highway 138 is closed from Interstate 15 to State Route 2
State Route 2 closed from LA County Line to the 138.
Old Cajon Blvd north of Devore.
Lytle Creek Road at Glen Helen Parkway.
Lone Pine Canyon Road from East Canyon Drive through Highway 138.
Swarthout Canyon Road to Cajon Boulevard.
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I've noticed that too. I assume that would be Cal Fire scanning the area for spot fires and flare-ups using FLIR.
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To people asking about N4 / Mt. High side -- I have no idea. You can absolutely come via the 138 and 2. The only thing we had to do coming north on the 15 is overshoot the 138, get off on 395 and come back around to 138 that way.
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Any new info on the checkpoint up at Big Pines? Can we enter there now and what wait times are to be expected?
I did read that some people were let through at Big Pines. Entry does require ID and/or proof of residency.
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Good afternoon, Wrightwood families,
As the Blue Cut Fire is gradually getting under control, I sincerely hope this message finds you all safe and appreciating all that is most important. Sadly, many people in our community lost their homes or other property in the fire. If you or someone you know is in any need of support at all, please lean on your Snowline School District family. We have access to many resources, and we are here for you to provide any support that is needed. Feel free to email me at john_garner@snowlineschools.com to inform me of ways we can be of assistance. You may also call 760-539-3093 for County assistance.
I received notice from the San Bernardino Sheriff that evacuations in Wrightwood have been reduced to voluntary for residents. Verification must be shown to be allowed to re-enter town.
The West Cajon Valley is still under mandatory evacuation at this time, but I hope those residents will be able to return to their homes soon.
Announcements about the re-opening of Snowline schools will come as soon as all factors can be assessed.
Thank you, and I hope to see all of our students soon.
John Garner
Principal
Wrightwood Elementary School
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Here are some pictures from the east side.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/fire%20view%202_zpstfsnezet.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/fire%20view%203_zpswczga2gq.jpg)
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There now seems to be a lot more helicopter traffic above - what does that mean?
There's an active wildfire burning that is only 73% perimeter contained and lots of islands of vegetation that hasn't burned.
Containment does not mean the fire is out.
Expect to smell and see smoke for days along with Fire Trucks, Fire Fighters and helicopter activity.
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So glad to be home
Thank you to all who worked so hard to protect our community. :2thumbsup:
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The uncontained fire line on Gobblers Knob is 2.2 miles from the easternmost house on Lone Pine Canyon.
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INCIDENT UPDATED 39 MIN. AGO
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
Basic Information
Current as of 8/21/2016, 6:20:26 AM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS CIIMT 4 - Opliger SBCo Fire - Felgar CAL-FIRE - Shaw SBCo Sheriff - Dorsey CHP - Dominguez
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 1,782
Size 37,020 Acres
Percent of Perimeter Contained 83%
Estimated Containment Date Wednesday August 31st, 2016 approx. 06:00 PM
Fuels Involved
Heavy brush
Significant Events
A Damage Assessment Team working under the Blue Cut Fire Unified Command announced a preliminary estimate of 105 single family residences and 216 outbuildings were destroyed by the Blue Cut Fire. This initial report also
shows multiple vehicles (and also includes boats,
RV's, trailers, boats, and water tanks) damaged
or destroyed.
Experiencing minimal fire behavior in a fire environment with extreme fire behavior potential. Active fire
behavior mitigated by effective fire suppression efforts.
Outlook
Planned Actions
Provide structure defense. Complete containment lines; reinforce existing containment lines. Continue to assess for damaged/destroyed structures. Assist with repopulation where possible. Prepare for the approval and implementation of the suppression repair plan.
Projected Incident Activity
Interagency Incident Management Team 4 (Opliger) has assumed command of the fire.
Remarks
Initially, roughly 34,500 structures were threatened; the number is updated to
approximately 611 structures in and around the communities of Lytle Creek and the West Cajon Valley area:
As a result from the initial evacuated population of some 82,649 people, approximately 2,419 civilians remain evacuated.
The Community of Wrightwood was opened to residents only (with residency verification) at noon Saturday. Lytle Creek and West Cajon Valley remain under mandatory evacuation.
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Moderate RH recovery - 30 - 55%, winds (ridgetop)southwest 4-12 mph with gusts to 12-20 mph; slope and valley winds - down canyon 2-12 mph with gusts 8-22 mph
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any word on road openings so folks can get down to work on Monday?
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Same road closures that were in place when you went to bed last night. New announcements will be made today but you can go out 2 to 138 and then where you need to go.
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_PIO_arch_D_land_2016_Blue_Cut_CABDF00701_lr.JPG)
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_BlueCut.8.21.16_IRa.JPG)
PDF Version (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_20160821_0422_BLUECUT_IR_Map.pdf)
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Note: On this map Sharp Fire and Gobblers Fire perimeters shown for reference only
(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD.BlueCut8.21.!6.KMZb.JPG)
For those with Google Earth (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/8.21.16._Bluecut_IR.kmz)
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Blue Cut Fire's impact on farm animals and infrastructure
http://www.youtube.com/v/_EDojhaUtTc&showsearch=0&rel=0&fs=1&autoplay=0&ap=%2526fmt%3D18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EDojhaUtTc
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(https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/bluecutrail.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=770)
Smoke rises from beneath railroad tracks damaged by the Blue Cut Fire. (Credit: Marcus Yam / Los Angeles Times)
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SB County Sheriff ?@sbcountysheriff 2 minutes ago
Blue Cut Fire - Residents in Lytle Creek are being allowed to return home 10:00am verification of residency needed
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Helicopter activity yesterday evening was them leaving the area. They were based at the top of table mountain. 3 helicopters, sherif and pilots, mechanics. Very nice people and true Heros!
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I have a question. The reports kept saying 82,000 people were evacuated. Where did they get that number? Wrightwood, Lytle Creek, and West Cajon make up maybe a 10th of that number!
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Lynn.. I have pondering that question myself. Somewhere in "Just for Fun" I posted the census numbers for WW, Pinon Hills and Phelan. Those may not have included Oak Hills and Lytle Creek.. but still I don't get that number. Something to ponder as we wash ash off our cars and out of hair. cheryl o7o
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I made an inquiry to SBCSD about the number of evacuees.
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The response I received.
The additional evacuation area also included large sections of Phelan and parts of Hesperia and Victorville.
Plus don't forget that Oak Hills and Summit Valley were also evacuated.
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Returning Home After a Fire (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwiQu5ywqtPOAhUG3WMKHTcgCcQQFggwMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcalfire.ca.gov%2Fcommunications%2Fdownloads%2Ffact_sheets%2FPGE_ReturningHomeAfterAfterAFire_print.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEkG-AAOqnXDn6Qd8dTS3VlyXTwSA&sig2=9wdXi2dKrNyV05Nz4yFG8w&cad=rja)
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Any info on whether or not there will be school tomorrow?
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Even teachers are awaiting school info.
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Fire officials view an outdoor map of the Blue Cut fire at the command post located at Glen Helen Regional Park, on Sunday, August 21, 2016. (Staff photo by David Bauman/Riverside Press-Enterprise, SCNG)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cqac81jUkAEqTgM.jpg:large)
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I made a run to stater's and on the way home they had checked my ID at Beekley/138 and then again at the 138/2. I asked the CHP officer about the double check and he said they were doing it because they have been catching people trying to sneak in.... ???
Not sure why non-residents would be trying to sneak in? Or maybe there are residents out there w/out ID?
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pac-fan.. I think they're trying to stop thieves and looters and protect the community. cheryl o7
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Yesterday we got ID'd at Desert Front Road too. Glad to see the presence.
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Not sure why non-residents would be trying to sneak in?
Because there are no witnesses to catch you looting.
... and because people foolishly leave their houses unlocked due to the stress of evacuating.
Not that I know anyone who did that.
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can we get in on highway 2 from the west ?
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School IS open tomorrow, 8/22.
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All schools in the Snowline School District will be open and operate as normal for all students and staff on Monday, August 22.
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can we get in on highway 2 from the west ?
According to that latest announcement, no. 138 closes at Stone Basin (and does not go thru to the 15)
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pac-fan.. I think they're trying to stop thieves and looters and protect the community. cheryl o7
I guess. It's just hard for me to believe they'd be still coming up to loot when residents have been returning for more than 24 hours. I guess I have to remember that looters are lacking in the "smarts" department! ;D
The CHP guys were really nice. One was going to wave me through based on some pine tree needles I had stuck to my wipers.
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can we get in on highway 2 from the west ?
Yes yes and yes. I came through no problem this morning riding my bike up from near LAX. I showed him a copy of the deed, water bill, drivers license and my Forest Service drivers license. We chatted it up for awhile and he was a nice guy. This was at the around the 11:00 hr. Pretty much had the road to myself from Islip on into Big Pines. ;D
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Just got a phone message from the county. Lone Pine Canyon Rd is open to residents only. Then it said Lone Pine Canyon is closed from Swarthout Cnyn Rd to 138.
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Some interesting pictures. Not all trees burned, some browned but may be alive still, I hope. These are all on the east side just east of Pacific Crest area
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/IMG_1277%20trees%20south%20east_zpsj9beoj0a.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/IMG_1273%20trees%20burned%20some%20okay_zps0e09xzfm.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/IMG_1275%20trees%20burned_zpstrrl89ne.jpg)
replacing poles north of the flats
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/IMG_1279%20telephone%20poles_zpsntlul1sc.jpg)
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One more picture from this AM. It was interesting to see different kind of activity, a whirlwind. (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/20160821_110536%20whirl%20wind%202_zpsqzfqjehd.jpg)
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No checkpoints anywhere when we came home an hour ago.
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INCIDENT UPDATED 1 MIN. AGO
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
Basic Information
Current as of 8/21/2016, 6:15:50 PM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS CIIMT 4 - Opliger SBCo Fire - Felgar CAL-FIRE - Shaw SBCo Sheriff - Dorsey CHP - Dominguez
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 1,223
Size 37,020 Acres
Percent of Perimeter Contained 85%
Estimated Containment Date Wednesday August 31st, 2016 approx. 06:00 PM
Fuels Involved
Chaparral (6 feet)
Short Grass (1 foot)
Timber (Litter and Understory)
Significant Events
A Damage Assessment Team working under the Blue Cut Fire Unified Command announced a preliminary estimate of 105 single family residences and 216 outbuildings were destroyed by the Blue Cut Fire. This initial report also shows multiple vehicles (and also includes boats, RV's, trailers, boats, and water tanks) damaged or destroyed.
Experiencing minimal fire behavior in a fire environment with extreme fire behavior potential.Active fire behavior mitigated by effective fire suppression efforts.
Outlook
Planned Actions
Mop up, secure, and reinforce containment lines.
Operational support for the suppression repair plan.
Continue demobilization of excess resources to the incident.
Remarks
Initially, roughly 34,500 structures were threatened.
Effective Sunday, August 21st, at 4:00 p.m., the evacuation orders for Wrightwood,
Swarthout Canyon, Lone Pine Canyon, West Cajon Valley and Lytle Creek have all been
lifted. RESIDENTS ONLY will be allowed past the road closures.
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Max temp - 89 degree
Minimum RH - 20%
Wind - southwest 6 mph - gust to 16 mph
Unit Information
USFS Shield
San Bernardino National Forest
U.S. Forest Service
602 S. Tippecanoe Avenue
San Bernardino, CA 92408
Incident Contact
Fire Information
Phone: 909-383-5688
Hours: 5:00AM - Midnight
Recent Articles
Reunification of Pets and Owners
News - 10 min. ago
August 21 Evening Update
Announcement - 13 min. ago
All Evacuations Lifted
Announcement - 4 hrs. ago
Morning Update 8-21-16
Announcement - 10 hrs. ago
Related Incident Links
San Bernardino County Reverse 911 Registration
Riverside County Reverse 9-11 Registration
Center for Disease Control - Smoke Impacts
Mojave District - Air Quality Management District
CAL FIRE - Ready for Wildfire?
San Bernardino County Family Disaster Planning
Fire Glossary of Terms
Governor Brown Declares State of Emergency
Temporary Flight Restriction Website
Drone Safety Website
Incident Cooperators
American Red Cross
Bureau of Land Management
Apple Valley Fire Protection District
Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad
CALFIRE
CALFIRE -Inyo-Mono-San Bernardino Unit
California Conservation Corps
California Dept. of Corrections
California Dept. of Transportation
California Highway Patrol
California Office of Emergency Services
Kinder Morgan Gas
San Bernardino County Animal Control
San Bernardino County Fire Department
San Bernardino County Office of Emergency Services
San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department
SoCalGas
Union Pacific Railroad
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We came through at 5:00 pm
At N4 & hwy 2, ---CHP checked our ID's
And a kid in front of us on foot, giving a story....wanted in.
CHP asked him for ID, officer then took it and kept it!!!!
And said "I'll give it back to you when you come back!"
I've never seen that before??!!
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This may be a little premature, but does anyone think there will be an effort to replant trees? I'm sure my daughter's Girl Scout troop would be interested in participating.
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Anyone have a resource for found wildlife with burns? Burned bunny has been found in WCV. If not, advice on care? Asking for a client down there.
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Aug 16, 2016 Blue Cut Fire Time Line from Forum postings (Zero to 18,000 acres in 12 hours)
10:37 AM Report of Fire Location: I15 S No / Kenwood Ave (CHP Log)
FIRE JUST STARTING TO BLAZE - TRANS TO SB COMM CENTER
10:52 AM About 2 acres
10:49 AM PER 75-152 1/4 MILE AWAY FROM FWY AT THIS POINT, OUT W/CAL FIRE NOW
10:53 AM Full air response 2nd alarm
11:00 AM Shut down Old Cajon - from Cleghorn to Kenwood
11:01 AM 3 helicopters and 4 air tankers in route
11:04 AM Fire has potential to jump Old Cajon
11:05 AM Reduce air tanker request to 2
11:06 AM Fire is at 2 acres w/ fast rate of spread
11:13 AM 5 acres - heavy fuels
11:30 AM Per IC - Initiate evacuation of Swarthout Canyon - fire has spotted
11:31 AM IC - Close Swarthout between Cajon and Lone Pine - 7 air tankers on order
11:31 AM PER FIRE - REQUESTING IMMEDIATE CLOSURE OF CAJON BTW SWARTHOUT CANYON AND LONE PINE
11:37 AM FIRE JUMPED OVER TO SWARTHOUT/ HAVE CORDS SHUT DOWN CLEGHORN X CAJON
11:39 AM Immediate threat to structures in (lower) Swarthout area
11:41 AM Per IC - Shut down Lone Pine Caynon at Hwy 138
11:50 AM 3 additional type 1 helicopters - VLAT requested
11:51 AM BluecutFire 300 acres
11:51 AM IC requesting Hwy 138 shut down
11:56 Am IC order gel task force
12:00 PM Requesting full closure I15 north and south
12:02 PM Per IC : Evacuations requested for West Cajon Valley
12:08 PM mandatory evacs for West Cajon Valley Hwy 2 to I-15
12:18 PM Channel 9 reporting 1,000 acres
12:47 PM Hwy 138 closed from Hwy 2 to Summit Valley RD
12:49 PM evacuations ordered for Lytle Creek
01:07 PM estimated 1500 acres
01:30 PM VLAT 910 on scene and just made it's first retardant drop
02:22 PM now 2500 acres
02:24 PM new evacuation area N of 138, E of SheepCreek, S of Phelan Rd, W of Caliente
02:53 PM The fire is currently 5,500 acres in heavy fuels
03:22 PM IC has just requested MANDATORY EVACUATIONS for Wrightwood
06:48 PM one corner was burning of McDonalds....The Summit Inn was burning
08:43 PM Size 9,000 Acres Total Personnel 700 - Fuels Involved Heavy brush
09:26 PM 15,000 acres
10:31 PM 18,000 acres 0% contained
11:54 PM 28-square-miles
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OMG!!! We were driving home from vacation in Colorado and our cell phone was blowing up. We had no idea how fast it was growing. Unfortunately this is the new fire norm.
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INCIDENT UPDATED 1:02 HRS. AGO
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
Basic Information
Current as of 8/22/2016, 6:04:52 AM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS CIIMT 4 - Opliger SBCo Fire - Felgar CAL-FIRE - Shaw SBCo Sheriff - Dorsey CHP - Dominguez
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 1,223
Size 37,020 Acres
Percent of Perimeter Contained 89%
Estimated Containment Date Wednesday August 31st, 2016 approx. 06:00 PM
Fuels Involved
Chaparral (6 feet)
Short Grass (1 foot)
Timber (Litter and Understory)
Significant Events
A Damage Assessment Team working under the Blue Cut Fire Unified Command announced a preliminary estimate of 105 single family residences and 216 outbuildings were destroyed by the Blue Cut Fire. This initial report also shows multiple vehicles (and also includes boats, RV's, trailers, boats, and water tanks) damaged or destroyed.
Experiencing minimal fire behavior in a fire environment with extreme fire behavior potential.
Minimal fire activity and smoldering overnight. Active fire behavior mitigated by effective fire suppression efforts.
Outlook
Planned Actions
Mop up, secure, and reinforce containment lines. Operational support for the suppression repair plan. Continue demobilization of excess resources to the incident.
Remarks
Initially, roughly 34,500 structures were threatened.
Effective Sunday, August 21st, at 4:00 p.m., the evacuation orders for Wrightwood,
Swarthout Canyon, Lone Pine Canyon, West Cajon Valley and Lytle Creek have all been
lifted. RESIDENTS ONLY will be allowed past the road closures.
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Min temp - 61 degree
Max RH - 55%
Wind - southwest 2 mph - gust to 5 mph
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD.Bluecut_IR_Map8.22.16a.JPG)
PDF Version (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MDBluecut_IR_Map8.22.16a.pdf)
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD.Bluecut_KMZ_Map8.22.16a.jpg)
Those with Google Earth KMZ file (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/Bluecut_KMZ_Map8.22.16a.kmz)
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Some interesting pictures. Not all trees burned, some browned but may be alive still, I hope.
While patrolling, I've noticed that a lot of the trees that appeared to have burned in the Pine Fire on Table Mountain have sprouted new growth. I've noticed this on trees in the Station Fire as well when I use Angeles Crest. They appeared to lay dormant for several years and are now coming back to life.
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I wonder what would have happened if the two tankers hadn't been cancelled at 11:05?
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Is there any info on when Lone Pine Canyon and 138 will be opened all the way?
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Is there any info on when Lone Pine Canyon and 138 will be opened all the way?
Timing is not known. There is a lot of emergency repair work being done by Cal-trans, Edison and the Railroad in this area.
They are working very hard to get the work done as quickly as possible. Patience is key.
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Per Forum Member ink slinger at 11am 8-22-16
The Post Master told me they're bringing up our mail from Phelan right now.
They're enlisting a crew of postal workers from other offices and will remain open for package pick up until at least 5:30 today. Ron (Postmaster) will call me if they get permission to stay open later.
He said he plans to be back on schedule with our regular mail service within 3 days.
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I hope they are keeping an eye on the Isolated Heat Sources on the north fork of Lytle Creek/Alpine Canyon area, as well as the west slope of Pine Mountain, just over the LA/SB county line.
It could be an artifact of the Infrared flyover, but it does concern me.
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RennMan,
I've been closely following radio traffic this morning and must say fire crews are being very aggressive on going after hot spots. I haven't been posting each time a hot spot shows up but there's plenty of them they've went after today. (all within the perimeter boundaries and no threat to containment)
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There's currently radio traffic about SCE replacing poles along Hwy 2 using a helicopter. Expect minor delays
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The delays on Hwy 2 were more than minor. My SIL waited more than 30 minutes at Hwy 2 and Wright Mountain Road. Allow plenty of time --
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I wonder what would have happened if the two tankers hadn't been cancelled at 11:05?
Ah yes...what if.
Aircraft are a very expensive and much in demand resource. There was a very brief moment in time when the IC (Incident Commander) thought he had the resources and conditions to hold the fire at around 4 acres. Over 96% of all wildfires that start are held by responding equipment. I've returned equipment only to reorder when the situation I though I had changed. The IC had air tankers and helicopters working the fire as well as a full brush response. It is very typical to hear an IC return/make available excess equipment....from a fire, traffic collision, rescue, if it appears the units responding can handle. Remember, aircraft are just one component in putting out a fire. When the situation changed rapidly, the IC adapted rapidly and started ordering and ordering. Additional everything was continuously ordered from that time on...including the VLAT (Very Large Air Tanker DC-10). Listening to their calm, professional voices reminded me why I enjoyed working with them for so many years.
The folks who responded to the initial call are from USFS San Bernardino, SBCO Fire and CalFire.....as well as mutual aid from other Forests and agencies (including law enforcement). All three agencies have tremendous experience managing fires like this one given the place that we operate. I listened to the fire from the inception and all I heard was professionals working together to mitigate a horrendous situation. I had plenty of time because we evacuated our horses and dogs to to safe location.
I am so thankful no one died.
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Helicopter activity replacing poles on Hwy 138
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/IMG_1287%20helo%20good%202_zpsvqlnmm2z.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/IMG_1300%20helo%20good_zpswgsirctz.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/IMG_1281%20helo%20good%203_zps9e50ogo0.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d180/chuck3195/IMG_1301%20helo%20good%203_zpsqu52cwjg.jpg)
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Anyone have a resource for found wildlife with burns? Burned bunny has been found in WCV. If not, advice on care? Asking for a client down there.
Google wildlife rehabber. Big Bear Alpine Zoo is a wildlife sanctuary.
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Posting here as well (sorry for the duplicate):
What is the access permission for those that are non-resident homeowners? With our CDL not showing a WW address, we'll be bringing the appropriate utility paperwork, but, what is the access permission for "weekenders"? Thank you.
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To answer my own question...
I called the SB Sheriff (760/868-1006) and was told as I was a homeowner I was able to come up to WW. I would have to provide either a utility bill/property tax bill along with photo ID. The utility bill will verify the address and the photo ID will verify me to the utility bill.
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They are not checking ID going into Wrightwood now. The checkpoint at the 2 and 138 is just for West Cajon. We were in and out of there today several times returning horses to Lazy Faire Ranch.
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They are not checking ID going into Wrightwood now. The checkpoint at the 2 and 138 is just for West Cajon. We were in and out of there today several times returning horses to Lazy Faire Ranch.
Thank you!
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Would like to know about Rosalie Johnson's ranch. It's the other half of the Clyde Ranch.
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Caltrans District 8
?@Caltrans8
SR 138 west of 15 opened at 6:00 pm this evening. Slow for work crews over next few days.
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INCIDENT UPDATED 44 MIN. AGO
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
Basic Information
Current as of 8/22/2016, 6:21:47 PM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS CIIMT 4 - Opliger SBCo Fire - Felgar CAL-FIRE - Shaw SBCo Sheriff - Dorsey CHP - Dominguez
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 1,223
Size 37,020 Acres
Percent of Perimeter Contained 89%
Estimated Containment Date Wednesday August 31st, 2016 approx. 06:00 PM
Fuels Involved
Chaparral (6 feet)
Short Grass (1 foot)
Timber (Litter and Understory)
Significant Events
Minimal fire behavior in a fire environment with extreme fire behavior potential. Active fire behavior mitigated by effective fire suppression efforts.
Outlook
Planned Actions
Mop up, secure, and reinforce containment lines. Operational support for the suppression repair plan. Continue demobilization of excess resources to the incident.
Remarks
Repopulation of areas continue (subject to residency verification). The following are road closures (residency verification required for access) to assist with restoring essential power to the community. Hwy 138 open to residents only from Hwy 2 to Stone Basin Road.
Hwy 138 at Stone Basin Road to Interstate 15 is closed to allow emergency equipment in the area to replace power poles affected by the fire.
Lone Pine Canyon Road to Swarthout Canyon Road to Hwy 138 is closed.
US Forest Road 3N31 at Lone Pine Canyon road is closed.
The dirt portion of Lytle Creek Road is closed from the gun range in to the forest.
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Min temp - 61 degree
Max RH - 55%
Wind - southwest 2 mph - gust to 5 mph
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD.Bluecut_IR_Map8.22.16a.JPG)
PDF Version (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MDBluecut_IR_Map8.22.16a.pdf)
I'm colorblind so most color coded maps cause me confusion. This one for some reason I can actually see clearly. :2thumbsup:
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To answer my own question...
I called the SB Sheriff (760/868-1006) and was told as I was a homeowner I was able to come up to WW. I would have to provide either a utility bill/property tax bill along with photo ID. The utility bill will verify the address and the photo ID will verify me to the utility bill.
I live Off the mountain, just being a weekender. I had no problems getting through the checkpoints having a copy of my deed. They didn't even ask for my drivers license. I carry it along with Tax Bill and Fire Insurance policy in both my vehicles at all times.
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INCIDENT UPDATED 9 MIN. AGO
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4962/
Basic Information
Current as of 8/23/2016, 7:38:03 AM
Incident Type Wildfire
Cause Unknown
Date of Origin Tuesday August 16th, 2016 approx. 10:36 AM
Location Cajon Pass West of I-15
Incident Commander USFS CIIMT 4 - Opliger SBCo Fire - Felgar CAL-FIRE - Shaw SBCo Sheriff - Dorsey CHP - Dominguez
Incident Description Wildfire
Current Situation
Total Personnel 1,223
Size 36,274 Acres
Percent of Perimeter Contained 100%
Estimated Containment Date Tuesday August 23rd, 2016 approx. 06:00 AM
Fuels Involved
Chaparral (6 feet)
Short Grass (1 foot)
Timber (Litter and Understory)
Significant Events
Minimal fire behavior in a fire environment with extreme fire behavior potential. Active fire behavior mitigated by effective fire suppression efforts.
Outlook
Planned Actions
Mop up, secure, and reinforce containment lines. Operational support for the suppression repair plan. Continue demobilization of excess resources to the incident.
Remarks
Repopulation of areas continue (subject to residency verification). The following are road closures (residency verification required for access) to assist with restoring essential power to the community. Hwy 138 open to residents only from Hwy 2 to Stone Basin Road.
Hwy 138 at Stone Basin Road to Interstate 15 is closed to allow emergency equipment in the area to replace power poles affected by the fire.
Lone Pine Canyon Road to Swarthout Canyon Road to Hwy 138 is closed.
US Forest Road 3N31 at Lone Pine Canyon road is closed.
The dirt portion of Lytle Creek Road is closed from the gun range in to the forest.
Current Weather
Weather Concerns
Min temp - 61 degree
Max RH - 55%
Wind - southwest 2 mph - gust to 5 mph
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LynnC .. Really glad to read the Lazy Faire is standing cheryl o7o
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Just spoke to the Sheriff's department and was informed that commuters traveling from Orange County, Los Angeles or the Inland Empire using I-15 North toward Wrightwood, can now use HWY 138 exit toward Wrightwood, as well as HWY 2 and everyone can get through. Can anyone confirm this?
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Yes, Hwy 138 was opened yesterday at 6pm.
Hwy 2 has been open for 2 days.
There might be delays do to repair crews.
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Expect to smell and see smoke for days! If in doubt call 911
Also you may see what are known as "Dust Devils" that appear to be smoke.
There were Fire Fighter reports of dust devils near Wrightwood today
A dust devil is a strong, well-formed, and relatively long-lived whirlwind
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NO government agency is currently taking Blue Cut fire relief donations!!
No law enforcement or fire agencies are asking. for donations.
This scam is currently under investigation.
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Is there any information regarding Lone Pine Canyon being open all the way to the 138?
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Here's a slide show of the some of the amazing fire storms that took place during the Blue Cut Fire. Check out the ferocity and flame lengths from just brush and chaparral fuel models and imagine in your minds eye what a Crown fire through the timber in Wrightwood would look like and how fast it would move in three directions. Would you really know when it was time to leave or better, would you have time to get out?
There's another series of photos you can click on to the right of the screen.
http://photos.sbsun.com/2016/08/blue-cut-fire-burning-thru-the-devore-pass-threatens-homes/?_ga=1.178228513.580892290.1470965299#1 (http://photos.sbsun.com/2016/08/blue-cut-fire-burning-thru-the-devore-pass-threatens-homes/?_ga=1.178228513.580892290.1470965299#1)
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Lone Pine Canyon is open all the way down now. I took it last night and twice today.
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Yes Lone Pine Canyon Rd to Hwy 138 is open.
Always the potential for delays while work continues in the burn areas.
Is there any information regarding Lone Pine Canyon being open all the way to the 138?
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Amazing photos, Jim. Thanks for sharing. Wow, how sad.
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Yes.. amazing photos and I clicked through all 161 of them. Some really great photography work by some of those photographers. cheryl o7o
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Lone Pine Canyon is open all the way down now. I took it last night and twice today.
Did you see the Johnson ranch? The other Clyde Ranch? Is it ok?
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Did you see the Johnson ranch? The other Clyde Ranch? Is it ok?
I don't know which is the Johnson Ranch but I know that I don't see anything around Clyde Ranch. I think I always took that area for granted. I know, as I look at it, that it looks very bare.
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The place they are speaking of would be West (uphill) from the barn that burned. There is a dirt driveway (normally with a gate) that runs back to the house. Normally pretty hidden by brush and trees.
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The gate Jim is talking about looks like this: https://goo.gl/maps/yx4xMvyu79S2
Note: the old wagon to the left has been gone for a while
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I saw the gate and dirt driveway and I saw a bunch of trees that looked untouched by the fire. Not sure what was beyond the trees.
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@ about 2:00 a.m., I was just gazing up at the burned areas from our East Canyon home. An orange spot began to glow brighter and brighter. I believe that's what is called a "hot spot" ?
I watched for at least 10 minutes, it didn't do much but burn, then slowly went out. Is that something I should call in? It's normal right? It made me realize that the fire is contained, but hot spots are going to pop up, and we'll most likely see them at night.
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NASA Satellite Views California's Massive Blue Cut Fire
On Aug. 16, 2016, at around 10:30 a.m., a brush fire ignited in the Cajon Pass east of Los Angeles, just to the west of Interstate 15. Within a matter of hours, extreme temperatures, high winds and low humidity allowed the fire to spread rapidly, burning through brush left tinder-dry by years of drought. By Aug. 17, the fire had expanded dramatically, and firefighters continue to battle to save homes and evacuate residents.
The Multi-angle Imaging SpectroRadiometer (MISR) instrument aboard NASA's Terra satellite passed over the region on Aug. 17 around 11:50 a.m. PDT (2:50 p.m. EDT) and captured this natural-color image from MISR's 70-degree forward-viewing camera, which covers an area about 257 miles (414 kilometers) wide. The oblique view angle makes the smoke more apparent than it would be in a more conventional vertical view. The Los Angeles metropolitan area is the large gray area on the coast in the center of the image. Three plumes from the Blue Cut Fire are clearly visible in the mountains to the north. This oblique view also shows an enormous cloud of smoke spreading northeastward over a significant portion of eastern California and Nevada. This smoke probably originated from the fire as it consumed almost 20,000 acres on the evening of Aug. 16 and traveled north overnight.
Also visible from this oblique view is considerable haziness filling California's Central Valley, to the northwest of the Blue Cut Fire. This haziness may be due to smoke from several other fires burning in California, including the Soberanes Fire near Monterey; the Clayton Fire north of San Francisco; the Chimney Fire; and the Cedar Fire, which is visible in the image in the southern Sierra Nevada.
MISR was built and is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California, for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The Terra spacecraft is managed by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland. The MISR data were obtained from the NASA Langley Research Center Atmospheric Science Data Center, Hampton, Virginia. JPL is a division of Caltech in Pasadena.
(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/images/largesize/PIA20888_hires.jpg)
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6594
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(http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD.BlueCut.IR.8.24.16.JPG)
PDF file (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/MD_BlueCutIR.8.24.16a.pdf)
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@ about 2:00 a.m., I was just gazing up at the burned areas from our East Canyon home. An orange spot began to glow brighter and brighter. I believe that's what is called a "hot spot" ?
I watched for at least 10 minutes, it didn't do much but burn, then slowly went out. Is that something I should call in? It's normal right? It made me realize that the fire is contained, but hot spots are going to pop up, and we'll most likely see them at night.
"Hot Spots" are very common and can pop for some time after the fire's spread is contained. When fires are being contained, firefighters will mop up 100-300 feet inside the line. The goal is create a big enough cold space where fire can not be seated and move out of the containment/control line. It is tedious work and done with hand tools, and water. Fire will burn into a tree root or inside of a crook and just smolder. A wind change or access to new fuel will make the fire flare. Inside the burn, they pose little or no threat. It is a normal part of the process. It can be quite alarming as a Manzanita flares up and lights up the sky for a brief time. If you feel uncomfortable, call 911. If you can see from WW, someone will drive out and check it out.
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It's a good thing if fuels well within the fire perimeter burn completely. That makes it more of a "clean burn" (nothing left to burn), rather than a "dirty burn (lots of unburned stuff inside the fire perimeter).
It's safer when there is nothing left to burn.
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Thanks for the information on hot spots...I didn't not feel like it was too uncomfortable. But...I did think of something huge......
Wait until we get our first real big SNOW.... Can you imagine the snow players? What a playground those hills are going to be!! It's going to be crazy, they'll be sledding on into our backyards with the sled runs they're going to make. But that's a topic for another thread.
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Jim, can you please explain a Crown fire for me?
Here's a slide show of the some of the amazing fire storms that took place during the Blue Cut Fire. Check out the ferocity and flame lengths from just brush and chaparral fuel models and imagine in your minds eye what a Crown fire through the timber in Wrightwood would look like and how fast it would move in three directions. Would you really know when it was time to leave or better, would you have time to get out?
There's another series of photos you can click on to the right of the screen.
http://photos.sbsun.com/2016/08/blue-cut-fire-burning-thru-the-devore-pass-threatens-homes/?_ga=1.178228513.580892290.1470965299#1 (http://photos.sbsun.com/2016/08/blue-cut-fire-burning-thru-the-devore-pass-threatens-homes/?_ga=1.178228513.580892290.1470965299#1)
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Jim, can you please explain a Crown fire for me?
This visual shows you what happens when fire goes from the ground through the ladder fuel up into the trees. It becomes a force of nature that sucks all the oxygen from the area and races forward in an effort to continue to have oxygen and fuel to feed itself. By the way, cabins and improvements can provide the final ladder up into the tree tops. There is fire from the ground to the tops of 120 foot trees. They are impossible to fight simply because of the incredible energy being released. They will fuel the 30,000 foot Pryocumulus clouds you see over major fires. Remember the Chaparral down in West Cajon Valley was putting up 100 foot flame fronts and heat in excess of 1500 degrees.
I'll try. Here's a pretty cool graphic that says it all pretty succinctly.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/fdwildman/more%20stuff%20for%20wrightwood/FireSUPPRESSED_zps3f4j5mp2.jpg)
Here's visual of what looking from Pine towards Lone Pine might look like.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/fdwildman/more%20stuff%20for%20wrightwood/cronw_zpshfl4f25p.jpg)
Video of Crown fire near Grand Teton NP, I think
https://www.facebook.com/GrandTetonNPS/videos/1392351054112820/ (https://www.facebook.com/GrandTetonNPS/videos/1392351054112820/)
Here is a fuel model with mixed fuel models trees....still a deadly condition.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/fdwildman/more%20stuff%20for%20wrightwood/crown%201_zpsvzlifpji.jpg)
Finally, an image from 1988 Yellowstone fire with today's growth behind the fellow holding the magazine.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/fdwildman/more%20stuff%20for%20wrightwood/mag%20tree_zpsy9rfgm1f.jpg)
Crown Fires sound like a thousand jet engines screaming in afterburner. Being close to one is a terrifying experience. Fighting it is futile. Pretending you can survive anywhere near one is folly.
Hope that helps.
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Am I wrong, seems like with the good helicopter coverage of this fire I saw instances where the fire advanced somewhat slowly and without fury. Not the entire fire at once, of course, but when passing through brush that was less dense. Seems almost as if real progress could have been made if the fire was hit at these spots during one of these moments of weakness. While these moments came and went, the air hardware might have been elsewhere, or the ground personnel were doing structure protection. Do firefighters ever have the opportunity to experiment with different fighting techniques on fires?
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Jim, good post.
If you don't evacuate, and there is a crown fire, you will NOT have time to get out.
Crown fires are faster than you OR your car.
Burning to death can ruin your day.
Think about that next time you decide to stay.
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Am I wrong, seems like with the good helicopter coverage of this fire I saw instances where the fire advanced somewhat slowly and without fury. Not the entire fire at once, of course, but when passing through brush that was less dense. Seems almost as if real progress could have been made if the fire was hit at these spots during one of these moments of weakness. While these moments came and went, the air hardware might have been elsewhere, or the ground personnel were doing structure protection. Do firefighters ever have the opportunity to experiment with different fighting techniques on fires?
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Interesting point.You were watching the great feed from ABC7 telecopter who was hovering outside the TFR at around 10,000 feet with an amazing telephoto lens. It's a marvelous tool to get a God's eye view of the incident. I'm going to post the first hour or so of the fire in response to your question...because they do try to take advantage of those "moments of weakness" or create them by various means.
"Aug 16, 2016 Blue Cut Fire Time Line from Forum postings (Zero to 18,000 acres in 12 hours)
10:37 AM Report of Fire Location: I15 S No / Kenwood Ave (CHP Log)
FIRE JUST STARTING TO BLAZE - TRANS TO SB COMM CENTER
10:52 AM About 2 acres
10:49 AM PER 75-152 1/4 MILE AWAY FROM FWY AT THIS POINT, OUT W/CAL FIRE NOW
10:53 AM Full air response 2nd alarm
11:00 AM Shut down Old Cajon - from Cleghorn to Kenwood
11:01 AM 3 helicopters and 4 air tankers in route
11:04 AM Fire has potential to jump Old Cajon
11:05 AM Reduce air tanker request to 2
11:06 AM Fire is at 2 acres w/ fast rate of spread
11:13 AM 5 acres - heavy fuels
11:30 AM Per IC - Initiate evacuation of Swarthout Canyon - fire has spotted
11:31 AM IC - Close Swarthout between Cajon and Lone Pine - 7 air tankers on order
11:31 AM PER FIRE - REQUESTING IMMEDIATE CLOSURE OF CAJON BTW SWARTHOUT CANYON AND LONE PINE
11:37 AM FIRE JUMPED OVER TO SWARTHOUT/ HAVE CORDS SHUT DOWN CLEGHORN X CAJON
11:39 AM Immediate threat to structures in (lower) Swarthout area
11:41 AM Per IC - Shut down Lone Pine Caynon at Hwy 138
11:50 AM 3 additional type 1 helicopters - VLAT requested
11:51 AM BluecutFire 300 acres
11:51 AM IC requesting Hwy 138 shut down
11:56 Am IC order gel task force
12:00 PM Requesting full closure I15 north and south
12:02 PM Per IC : Evacuations requested for West Cajon Valley
12:08 PM mandatory evacs for West Cajon Valley Hwy 2 to I-15
12:18 PM Channel 9 reporting 1,000 acres
12:47 PM Hwy 138 closed from Hwy 2 to Summit Valley RD
12:49 PM evacuations ordered for Lytle Creek
01:07 PM estimated 1500 acres
01:30 PM VLAT 910 on scene and just made it's first retardant drop"
Lots of moving parts and their were all moving in different directions and all at once. The command post was alongside the old Cajon where the IC was looking at maps on the hood of his unit for the first couple hours, talking into his portable radio. The IC made some quick decisions that saved lives in the first minutes of this fire that grew to 12,000 acres in 12 hours. As the fire management gets a chance to get more resources in and a chance to fly the fire to see exactly what it is doing....what fuels it is burning through and will be going through in the immediate future, they will seek those moments of opportunity to go "DIRECT" against the fire when it is at it's weakest. It might be a ridge top they think they can hold or an area with lots of rocky ground where fire might not take hold as well. They can use hand crews....bull dozers....helicopters or aircraft or a combination there of. They will only do it after weighing the what ifs regarding firefighter and civilian safety. To your second question, yes there are Federal Experimental Centers and also civilian universities that experiment with better ways to put fire out. They have a facility here on the Angeles and one in Missoula, Mt. In Southern CA forests, the firefighters get plenty of practice year round.
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Jim, thank you for that awesome post on explaining what a crown fire is. I'm only a pharmacist, who had a pretty safe life in her career. I know virtually nothing about fighting fires, except for a few things I've learned from my friend Nolena over the years. In my mind's eye, I thought "crown fire" meant that the tops of the trees were burning. This post from you was a real awakening. And yes, I have evacuated the two times that were mandatory, in the 39 years I've lived in our beautiful community of Wrightwood.
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"Aug 16, 2016 Blue Cut Fire Time Line from Forum postings (Zero to 18,000 acres in 12 hours)
10:37 AM Report of Fire Location: I15 S No / Kenwood Ave (CHP Log)
FIRE JUST STARTING TO BLAZE - TRANS TO SB COMM CENTER
10:52 AM About 2 acres
10:49 AM PER 75-152 1/4 MILE AWAY FROM FWY AT THIS POINT, OUT W/CAL FIRE NOW
10:53 AM Full air response 2nd alarm
11:00 AM Shut down Old Cajon - from Cleghorn to Kenwood
11:01 AM 3 helicopters and 4 air tankers in route
11:04 AM Fire has potential to jump Old Cajon
11:05 AM Reduce air tanker request to 2
11:06 AM Fire is at 2 acres w/ fast rate of spread
11:13 AM 5 acres - heavy fuels
11:30 AM Per IC - Initiate evacuation of Swarthout Canyon - fire has spotted
11:31 AM IC - Close Swarthout between Cajon and Lone Pine - 7 air tankers on order
11:31 AM PER FIRE - REQUESTING IMMEDIATE CLOSURE OF CAJON BTW SWARTHOUT CANYON AND LONE PINE
11:37 AM FIRE JUMPED OVER TO SWARTHOUT/ HAVE CORDS SHUT DOWN CLEGHORN X CAJON
11:39 AM Immediate threat to structures in (lower) Swarthout area
Thanks for the response. Oh, now I understand the reference made earlier in the thread. I doubt there's anyone here qualified to armchair quarterback such a decision, but after things have wrapped up do they gather to discuss the decision making process and learn from what happened and implement changes in process? Perhaps the drought conditions have established a new norm that needs to be accounted for, even more than they currently are. The one thing I will venture to throw out there is that I would expect to see a handful of ground personnel downwind of the incident to catch spots. Is this done? Seems like the area was road-accessible. I'd also want to look REALLY closely at the origins of the spot fire really close to those cottonwoods. People are down in the riverbed ALL THE TIME.
That said, the scope of the initial problem and it's likely origins is pretty clear on Google Maps: http://goo.gl/maps/EgSUVnumriw
Compare the location of those vehicles parked in the bushes with this photo from the 1st page of this thread. 100+ homes gone, history lost forever - thanks a lot losers. I'd still take a close look at the spot fire origin.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14021611_10210197215755755_4600276728204070139_n.jpg?oh=e078544d65efbefaa0418c53c4d761ec&oe=5846A20B)
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After the 2009 fire storm that came up LPC, several fire breaks were bulldozed up and down LPC. Of course they werent kept up because of "scarce" funds. I wouldnt be surprised if Blue Cut fire cost millions to fight which also include the bulldozers....go figure.....
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What vehicles were seen parked where the fire started? Did anyone get pics of said vehicles? Is this location known for something scuzzy or illicit?
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Those dozer lines do not disappear. Many times during the Burned Area Emergency Response (BAER) process they seed dozer lines with native seed to discourage repeated ground disturbance and further invasive weed spread from ORV recreation/ activities.
After the 2009 fire storm that came up LPC, several fire breaks were bulldozed up and down LPC. Of course they werent kept up because of "scarce" funds. I wouldnt be surprised if Blue Cut fire cost millions to fight which also include the bulldozers....go figure.....
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What vehicles were seen parked where the fire started? Did anyone get pics of said vehicles? Is this location known for something scuzzy or illicit?
Vehicles are parked there every day. Who would pay attention to that? It's a known pickup spot for members of the gay community. I try not to delve too deeply into finding out exactly what goes on, but I'm told "stuff" goes on in the bushes. I'm pretty sure prostitution has taken place there as well. On my commute through there I'd see regulars just about daily.
I went through Google Earth's historical imagery and didn't see anything similar to the vehicles shown in the link I provided earlier, so it must be a recent phenomenon.
Those dozer lines do not disappear.
True - if you look closely there is a clear old-appearing dozer line down one of the ridges on the south side of LPC. I don't know it well enough to be the spot where they did the fuel modification, but it's evident that the fire was extremely hot there and the ridge is pretty well denuded with little to no variation on either side of the line.
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What vehicles were seen parked where the fire started? Did anyone get pics of said vehicles? Is this location known for something scuzzy or illicit?
There are cars parked there all hours of the day, for what reason I have no clue
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The men with the alternative life style started congregating off of old Cajon when they were thrown out of the Rest Stop on I-10 at Cherry about 18 years ago. The open sexual activity there was non-stop (there were in my fire stations first due response area in Fontana) we would respond from 1-5 times a shift on medical aids to treat OD's-knife wounds and beatings. CalTrans shut the rest stops down on both sides and it's been closed ever since.
They now congregate on a curve of Rte 66 in an old shaded rest area and camp ground. The game plan is still the same. Men meeting for casual connections. There can be from 10-50 cars parked in the former (and very beautiful) tree shaded area. Lots of motor homes and lots of long haul truckers. They have spilled over to Lost Lake as well. I used to use the siren and air horn on the ambulance coming back from a call down there when I worked in Wrightwood just to see them scatter. I can only imagine an unknowing traveler pulling in there with the kids and dog to make lunch and rest for a spell ("Honey, take Junior and the Dog down to the creek that Google shows, I'll make lunch"). Periodically, the Sheriff and CHP will make a pass through there but they just reassemble the moment they leave.
It is not a place to break down or go out of curiosity.
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Before it was anything, it appears it was the weigh scales for the "new" at the time Route 66. Note that even then, bulldozer lines (or maybe those were hand cut) were on the ridges and were old enough to be overgrown even then. Some of the curbing you see still remains. Also note how small the oaks were at that time.
(http://www.66postcards.com/postcards/ca/postcards/CA045110.jpg)
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11:05 AM Reduce air tanker request to 2
Was discussing this and something occurred to me.......I wonder if this was misinterpreted. I bet someone here heard the radio but was this perhaps a call to reduce the air tanker request BY 2, not reduce the air tanker request TO 2?
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Many of the dozer lines have been there for decades and are reestablished during wildfires or fuel reduction projects.
In the past 10-12 years a lot of pre-fire planning and fuel modifications have taken place in Lone Pine Canyon and the Boundary Ridge area that's helped protect the communities of Wrightwood and Lytle Creek.
The Lone Pine Canyon Fuel Reduction was completed 10 years ago, with the Boundary Ridge Fuel Reduction work mostly done in 2007. The Sheep Fire burned a good portion of Lone Pine Canyon Oct 3, 2009 and was stopped before entering the community of Wrightwood because of the dozer line put in at the base of Circle Mountain in conjunction with the Boundary Ridge Fuel Reduction project in the same area.
Lone Pine Canyon Fuel Reduction Project (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/LonePineBurn/)
Boundary Ridge Fuel Reduction Project (http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php/topic,6293.msg118900.html#msg118900)
Sheep Fire Oct 3, 2009 (http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php/topic,14613.0.html)
Sharp Fire Aug 8, 2016 (http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php/topic,21367.0.html)
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Years ago, Mom and I stopped at the rest stop on the old 66 that is being discussed here. We decided that the next time we drove though there.. we'd wet our pants instead.
cheryl o7o
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Jim Wilkins: thank you, many times over, for all your postings and helping people who want to learn, about the importance of evacuating, the character and movement of fire, administrative overview/action, and debriefing. As a former emergency response person on the ground, and administrator, who has been part of teams fighting too many kinds of disasters, I am continually amazed when people think they can "fight nature" in these circumstances. Your explanation of a crown fire, and mention that the fire temp is 1500 degrees was excellent. As a citizen, I will do everything I can to make sure people in my community who need assistance because they are unaware of the emergency, or due to disability or age, get out of harm's way. But I have no patience with people who take up a first responder's time, energy, and focus by voluntarily or antagonistically getting in the way of the major task at hand.
I was very pleased to see that the Snowline School District acted so quickly to ensure that the safely of the students and staff were foremost at WW Elementary. It's my understanding the campus was completely vacated by 2:15pm. Hats off to Administration at all levels, and the teachers. Well done.
I am, however, deeply disturbed at the response of the SB Co Library who refused to release the employees of the WW Library until after WW was under mandatory evacuation...well after 4pm...and will be making a formal compliant to the agency and County about this matter. Both CERT team leaders, Patrick and Virginia Martin, and myself...and perhaps others, went to the library personally to make sure the librarians knew about the road closures and mandatory evac of W. Cajon Valley. I even stood and watched the Robin Cornett, Lead Librarian call down to administration to obtain permission to close down, or at least let one librarian who lives in Hesperia leave. Library Admin refused to let her go. I called down to the library two more times before I evacuated and still they were to remain on the job. This is deplorable.
The Director of the SB Co. Library needs to be called to task for this inappropriate and dangerous response and unnecessarily risking his employees lives. Librarians are non-essential personnel in these circumstances: they need to be protected. The proper procedure is to shut down the bldg so emergency responders do not have to be concerned about the personnel. At the same time the employees need to pack up, heed the mandatory evacuation order, and head for safety. When speaking of debriefing, hopefully this is an inter-agency venture.
As you know, Jim, you are doing a stellar job at educating the people who want to understand more by taking the time to post here. Again, thank you for your continued voice of reason and experience. Perhaps you could do some training for SB Co. Library administrative personnel and for other dept's whose employees are out in the field. Respectfully submitted, Sagespirit
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Thank you to all who fought the Blue Cut Fire especially those in LPC. My friend's son from Montana is one of those firefighters. The Clyde Ranch is almost gone. Only the big red house and the water station remain. Rosalie's house is gone. I just learned that yesterday. So much history in the Earp Cabin, the apple packing barn, the two out buildings. The apple orchard was heavily damaged. Rips out the hearts of those who are related to Almon and Priscilla Clyde and those who are in Wrightwood. Thank you again all who fought that beast.
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Does anybody know the current status of Lone Pine Cyn Road? The Inciweb site, last updated a few days ago, seems to imply that the bottom portion (toward swarthout and 138) was still closed.
Has it opened up so that we can leave town via Lone Pine and get to all the way to the 15?
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It's open no problem
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Various remarks to various people:
- Wrightwood, thank you and your helpers for this amazing forum. I joined years ago and don't know what I'd do without it.
- Jim Wilkins, thank you so much for your expert input, I always appreciate you taking the time to post.
- Sagespirit, you go girl -- I can't believe the library admin made that dangerous call! That's ridiculous.
- My gay son and I refer to the Blue Cut area as Perv Alley. I don't care what your orientation is, that's just gross.
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Definitely some woodsmoke in the air at home now. Lark & Cedar above the village center.
Could be from the Bakersfield area incidents or the ones in Kern County, per the USFS BlueSky Runs:
http://viewer.smoke.airfire.org/run/standard/NAM84-0.15deg/current/
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Yes, RennMan, smell of smoke quite strong for almost an hour now, here at Spruce and Lark, to the point of affecting my eyes. Went to the link you suggested, but could not ascertain source of smoke. Tried looking up current hot spots for the Blue Cut Fire. I "trust" some are still burning. Could not find any infrared maps for this date. Are we smelling drift smoke? Or is something happening again locally? Thanks.
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Couple things....we have just had a major fire that burned thousands of acres around us and right next to us. The burned areas will stink like smoke for some time. When the wind is favorable, you will smell the smoke stronger. Rennman listed some and the Santa Barbara fire is also still emitting smoke. There is new fire near Lake Isbella, the Havilah Fire, that is ripping through ground that just started this afternoon. That could be adding to the already smokey air. When the smoke gets up into the upper atmosphere, it can travel hundreds of miles on the wind currents. You will not find too many more or any infrared flight maps for the Blue Cut unless the Forest IC requests one. They are used to ascertain perimeters and where the heat is so they can extinguish it during a working fire.
Yes, there still are humans out there rooting out things that are still burning. They will take the last heat maps (the heat doesn't move much at this stage) and go with a hand held infrared scope. Also use a Mark 2 heat detector and feel the ashes with an ungloved hand. These spots are less important deep within the burn area as the receptive fuel beds are ash now. (Sidebar note During the fire, there was 100% receptivity- if a tiny ember landed on receptive fuels like grasses or dried leaves at the base of a tree-there would be 100% chance that a fire would start.) One of the reasons Blue Cut raced around was that it could easily spot several miles ahead on an ember lifted up into the convection column. My personal opinion is drift smoke that is carried down and in on the sea breeze.
My advice, maybe, is close the windows and pay a little extra for the AC if it troubles you. If you see something like billowing smoke or are just really concerned call 911. The men and women who will respond and make sure there is no threat... do for a living. The enjoy the opportunity to reassure those they protect. Ask to have them stop by your house and share what they find. That's what I would do.
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When we went up LPC Thursday to survey the damage there was abundant ash getting blown around by the typical winds, and the area had a general smokey-looking haze. I imagine you'll smell it until the first big rains. On a side note, I can't believe the fire burned as much as it did after having burned just 7 years ago. That's ominous.
There is new fire near Lake Isbella, the Havilah Fire,
And a fire in Havilah?! C'mon!!....it is uncanny the number of places that have caught fire this year that we have been to. I hope it doesn't do much damage. Such a neat un-California area. Cattle own portions of the road. Quite the surprise to turn a blind corner and have to dodge a big bull. Some history there too.
These are almost 10 years old now:
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Just adding my thanks to all the Firefighters, police agencies and other groups that came to help. And, in particular, this Forum that was a communication life-line during the evacuation. Every community in the US should have a Forum like this one.
Sagespirit: I hope you do champion the librarians whose supervisor wouldn't allow them to leave. You know, librarians can be truly vicious when defending books. It might be hard for them to challenge a supervisor. So, an advocate is important.
And, best to all of you. This is a community standing strong.. thanks to the good work of a lot of folks. cheryl o7o
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I've had lots of questions about how fighting these large wildland/Urban interface fire efforts work. There's lots of moving parts. They were the same thirty six years ago when the Panorama Fire broke and destroyed much of San Bernardino's North end. Here's a link to a program that aired on PBS back in 1981 about the Panorama Fire. I had just happened to there in Fontana when this fire broke hope taping a retrospective on a 25 car collision in the fog on the new I 15. I went over to get some stock footage....stayed the whole week and ended up spending a whole lot of weeks writing and editing. Program shows the fire from inception....the target rich environment firefighters faced on arrival in a 90 mile at times Santa Ana and hundreds of shake shingle roof homes on fire. It was challenge to write dialog the night before...edit and record and do it all over again. By the time I was wrapping up, /Winter rains were causing flooding and mudslides. It is certainly dated (I had dark hair and long sideburns) but still shows a reasonable idea of just how complex these devastating fires are and how much goes into it. Still are even more complicated with the drought and more development. There is some amazing fire storm footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABTulYftHkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABTulYftHkw)
Admin note:
Here's a link to the topic about the 26th anniversary of the Panorama Fire on Nov 24 2006. (http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php/topic,7710.msg125837.html#msg125837)
The YouTube video link is much better quality than the reduced 31.2Meg movie of 2006
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New fire at the 138 /2?
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Inside the Blue Cut perimeter
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Inside the Blue Cut perimeter
Do your readers know where this is?
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08/29/2016 19:13 ANF-3645 OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION Wildfire 138 EAST OF HWY 2 34,27.204 x 117,39.72
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Any update on this new fire near 138 and the 2?
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There is no new fire near Hwy 138 and Hwy 2 and it was within the burn perimeter of the Blue Cut Fire. You should expect to see hot spots popup for days. There's still a lot of Fire Fighters continuing to mop-up the Blue Cut Fire. I drove Lone Pine Canyon this morning and saw at least 4 crew buggies of Hot Shots going to work.
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During the Blue Cut Fire and most large fires, a pyrocumulus cloud may form overhead, rising up to 30,000 feet in the air. They can be dangerous as the the rising hot air and moisture from the products of combustion will eventually fall, with erratic and heavy downdrafts that spread the fire. Large embers can be drawn up into the sky and tossed miles ahead of the fire (on the Wallow Fire there was spotting five miles ahead of the main body from these massive clouds.)
This is photo taken from my house in the second hour of the Blue Cut Fire. The fire is moving a rapid rate and the combustion products are starting to rise up in the sky. The "Pyrocumulus" portion is not well defined but would soon rise to over 20,000 feet. This is last photo I took as we drove out with the horses.
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These two pictures are from the Station Fire and are taken fairly early in the day. These clouds were massive and would collapse several times as they built up and create downdrafts in every direction around the cloud.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/fdwildman/fishing/Pyrocumulus_cloud_in_the_Angeles_National_Forest_California_zps2hcx5vqd.jpg)
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This is a video that explains what these clouds are, how there are formed and why they can be dangerous.
https://weather.com/tv/shows/weather-underground/video/pyrocumulus-clouds-explained?pl=pl-meteorology-explained
(https://weather.com/tv/shows/weather-underground/video/pyrocumulus-clouds-explained?pl=pl-meteorology-explained)
These pyrocumulus clouds can have a real negative effect on fire behavior once they get established.
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There have been a large number of dust devil sightings and reports today. Fire Fighters responding report that the dust devils have picked up ash from the Blue Cut Fire and appear to be smoke.
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Any word on the reporting of fire Near Lone Pine this morning, 8/31/16
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There's an interesting op-ed in today's LAT regarding building in wild fire areas. The author is Ray Rasker. cheryl o7o
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From that SCPR website elsewhere in the Forum: a happy ending for this family.
http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2016/08/23/51504/the-food-safe-gel-that-saved-a-home-from-the-blue/
Remember the presentations a couple of years back about this fire retardant gel that could be applied to houses, etc.? This man used it. We drove by his place and it really is remarkable to see it sitting untouched surrounded by blackened acres. And the fire had to pass his place before it got north to us! Defensible Space saved us, but this gel could be another choice for some. Given the destruction others experienced nearby, we were truly impressed.
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Great to hear a success story
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Jim Wilkins:
Thank you for your article in this month's News Plus. Excellently written. Loved reading how you declined the PIO offer, even after initially accepting, as soon as you observed what was coming your way, and started preparations to evac immediately. And even with that foresight, benefit of experience, and acting asap, your admission, "I thought we would have enough time to get the trailers in....but with a fire like this, the only thing you could do was get the heck out."
I am so relieved you all (two-leggeds and four-leggeds) were able to get out safely, and that the ranch was in tact for you to return home. I hope your article is read and re-read by as many people possible. Thanks again, for everything you do. Sagespirit
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After every major wild land fire near any urban area, utilities scramble to get things restored as quickly as possible. Gas, electric, phone, roads....are labor intensive and require round the clock effort to get the most basic services back. This photo is just the Southern California Edison effort and is everybody at their Base Camp (I'm guessing at Glen Helen like the fire camp) They look to be self contained for 24 hour ops and use the Incident Command system to manage an incredible effort. Think of the surveying of the damage....having the engineers get involved....ordering the "stuff"....keeping track of the "stuff" as they prepare to install it....removing the burnt poles and wire and sub stations and installing new ones. It's a job that most don't see or even think of but we'd be in a world of hurt without their professional efforts. Success to them is seeing lights flicker on where it was dark last night.
All the utilities are doing their part as well....trying to get folks back to as much "normal" as possible. I've worked with all of them on so many occasions and I salute their professionalism. They all were out there well before the fire was out and the smoke was gone. Great job!
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 6 minutes ago
#BlueCutFire - If you travel thru Cajon Pass, you may see smoke on ridgetops within the fire perimeter. @Caltrans8
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Two Cal Fire Trucks just zipped down East Canyon, Hope it's nothing big....
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Crews were headed to forest road 3N31 for smoke showing. Well within Blue Cut Fire perimeter.
(3N31 starts just above Clyde Ranch and runs along the ridge line)
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..And that is precisely where Basel Street Home Remodeled junk/debris was dumped a few months ago,... just in case any crew members out there are wondering "What is all this crap and why is it burning so hard right here?"
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San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 53 minutes ago
Many reports of smoke in the #BlueCutFire area turning out to be dust devils. Take the extra seconds for a closer look before calling in.
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Blue Cut BAER Assessment Report Released
On September 16, 2016, the San Bernardino National Forest received $492,975 for emergency stabilization measures on Forest Service System lands burned by the Blue Cut Fire. The emergency treatments and activities are designed to decreased possible impacts to downstream values-at-risk from the Blue Cut burned area such as: human life and safety, property, critical natural resources and cultural resources.
Blue Cut BAER Assessment Report PDF (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/BlueCutBAERReport.pdf)
Blue Cut BAER Specialist Reports Released
Nine BAER Assessment Team Specialist Reports which contain analyses for the Blue Cut burned area
BAER Botany
BAER Engineering
BAER Heritage
BAER Hydrology
BAER OHV
BAER Soils
BAER Trails
BAER Weeds
BAER Wildlife
All 9 Blue Cut BAER Specialist Reports (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/BlueCutBAERSpecialistReports.pdf)
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(http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/CABDF/2016-08-25-1830-Blue-Cut-PostFire-BAER/picts/2016_09_16-11.32.44.797-CDT.jpeg)
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NWS Blue Cut fire hazard map (http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/sgx/kml/bluecutfire.php)
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Wow! The map shows a tremendous area. Talk about another close one. At least we have another fuel mitigation area:)
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Blue Cut Fire IA Structure Protection (2016) - Wildland Fire Lessons Learned Center
Firefighters had asked the residents to leave multiple times but they refused (http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/fires/BlueCut/BlueCut.IA_Structure_Protection_RLS.pdf)
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When you refuse to evacuate, you put not only yourself and your family at risk, you also risk the safety and lives of firefighters. You also impede firefighting efforts, as firefighters that could be stopping the spread of the fire are, instead, trying to protect you.
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It has been a year since this incident, and we all know where we were, or where we evacuated to.
Please be safe.
Has there been a determination as to the cause of this fire?