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Sagebrush

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Re: Loose Dogs on Trail
« Reply #20 on: Jun 10, 08, 09:56:08 PM »


Really...  you have total control of four dogs off leash?  And then when the other 8 dogs off leash come across you on a mtn trail you still have total control ?  We will call you the dog wisperer.

Actually yes....My dogs listen very well. Im the pack leader, not them, so I set the pack mentality. If I have to deal with an aggressive dog then I will.

Call me what you will discombubulated....you must have just figured out what I do for a living... ;)

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« Reply #21 on: Jun 10, 08, 10:07:37 PM »
Here we go again, discussing for 5 or 6 pages what should be COMMON SENSE!!

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Re: Loose Dogs on Trail
« Reply #22 on: Jun 10, 08, 10:18:55 PM »
And I was just trying to figure out who the woman was!

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« Reply #23 on: Jun 11, 08, 06:52:55 AM »
This is precisely the same mentality that causes illegal trespass.

People thinking htey are above the law or the laws don't apply to them.

I just hope you same folks who openly promote ignoring the law don't have any kids to pass
your ideas on to.

Is it okay to kill someone because you decide they are bad and that law does not apply to you? Because you know better?


And BTW I would fully support a dog park here just to curb this problem. That makes WAY more sense that a skateboard park. It would serve more of the community.

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« Reply #24 on: Jun 11, 08, 07:03:51 AM »
You mentioned it, there are no plans for just a skate board park.  Last year we started  plans for a general park (dogs welcome, on leashes) that include a skate park area.  There are no plans for just a skate board park!   

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« Reply #25 on: Jun 11, 08, 07:10:36 AM »
You all think you have it so bad! 

I have a dog who likes to ride a skateboard without a leash.... I have nowhere to go.....  :'(  :violins:  :violins:

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« Reply #26 on: Jun 11, 08, 07:18:34 AM »
You all think you have it so bad! 

I have a dog who likes to ride a skateboard without a leash.... I have nowhere to go.....  :'(  :violins:  :violins:

The worst kind!  I bet you were a dog without a leash when young. ;D     

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Re: Loose Dogs on Trail
« Reply #27 on: Jun 11, 08, 07:26:05 AM »
We would have done what we always do when we run into off leash dogs on that trail... Let them meet and greet eachother.

Sagebrush, I can't image how you can assume that ALL loose dogs are going to meet and greet each other and get along. I was walking my dog on a leash in Pinon Hills and he was "greeted" by two other dogs. There was some sniffing and a little hair raising, and then a 3rd dog came up and started fighting. Then all three of those dogs attacked my dog and literally pulled him out of his collar. I was standing there holding an empty leash and there was nothing I could do.

Fortunately the owner came running out and pulled his dogs apart. My dog had to have surgery, but fortunately he's fine now.

Do you realize how terrifying it is for me/my dog now when we are walking and there are loose dogs? We don't know what they are like and can never assume they are socialized. Even socialized dogs can attack in a pack.

Sagebrush

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« Reply #28 on: Jun 11, 08, 07:45:25 AM »

Is it okay to kill someone because you decide they are bad and that law does not apply to you? Because you know better?


How can you equate murder with walking dogs off leash? ::) Are you kidding me? A bit dramatic.....

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« Reply #29 on: Jun 11, 08, 08:08:26 AM »
Come on people.....We all know that one of the joys of living in WW is hiking and doing trails with your dogs off leash. I hiked with 4 dogs off leash today up at INSPO and had a blast. Did not see anyone with 8 dogs. I think I would have remembered that!!

The key here is to only have dogs off leash who are socialized!
   

See if these examples make any more sense.

Come on people.....We all know that one of the joys of living in WW is hiking and building campfires where we want to and when we want to. I built a great one today to cook lunch  today up at INSPO and had a blast. Did not see anyone else cooking their lunch. I think I would have remembered that!!

The key here is to only have fires that are friendly to Mother Nature!
                                                  ???

Come on people.....We all know that one of the joys of living in WW is hiking and shooting our semi-automatic weapons. I hiked  today up at INSPO and had a blast knocking pine cones off those old, knurled looking trees. Did not see anyone with a rifle more powerful then mine. I think I would have remembered that!! 

The key here is to only shoot your high powered rifle when no one will catch you!

I guess being the Alpha means you can ignore things the rest of us pay attention to. 



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Re: Loose Dogs on Trail
« Reply #30 on: Jun 11, 08, 08:31:01 AM »
How can you equate murder with walking dogs off leash? ::) Are you kidding me? A bit dramatic.....

Dramatic...NO....the law is the law, rules are rules.... abide by the rules/law or suffer the consequences. Like it or not. It doesn't matter if it it riding bikes, driving, murder, theft, walking dogs without a leash.

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« Reply #31 on: Jun 11, 08, 01:42:08 PM »
Oh man, here we go again  ::). But I guess I'll throw my  :2cents: in as well and get bashed for it too . . . .  Warning - I have not taken hours to think of my response or the correct way to say it so I will ramble . . .

As a teen, we took my parents' dogs to the foothills and let them run to their hearts content quite often. Very well behaved animals - came when called back and got along with any other animals we ran into (except chickens, but that's another story). Whether legal or not, we did it. If it wasn't for those long runs, my parents' huskies would not have stayed in their yard during the week. The few times we did come across anyone with another dog, we made sure ours came back to us and we would stay with them until the other animal had gone. Each owner was responsible for keeping their own animal under control. That was a given. The same goes for when the dogs are in the front yard "off-leash". They know their boundaries and when they have to stay with my parents. Never a bad off-leash experience.

My own dogs are pretty socialized - might be scared of people and certain places, but they love other dogs. They are not however good on leashes - comes from having an owner with 3 toddlers trying to help walk them I suppose. They are great off leash when in familiar territory or with familiar people. So if we happen to be someplace that is wide open with no people, I have no problem taking them off their leashes. If it's against the law - then it is my choice to break that law and suffer the consequences - just like any other criminal. For example when we go off-roading, my dogs will wander around where ever we stop for lunch. If I walk them on their leashes, it could take 30 minutes before they'll actually relieve themselves, but if I let them go on their own - it's only seconds. I actually have never had a ranger tell me to leash them either - the opportunity has presented itself though.

Having said all that, I don't think I'd be hiking with 8 dogs by myself anyway. I barely hike, let alone with my dogs. 8 would be out of the question. I also would hope that the owner would have more common sense - if you have an aggressive dog, you don't let them off leash. That lady was just plain stupid. And anything that happened as a result is her fault. But I can't condemn every single person who hikes with their dogs off leash. Walking in a neighborhood with lots of people around, yes that shouldn't happen - but in the middle of nowhere? It's not the end of the world. We're NOT talking forest fires or gunfire or murder, we're talking about walking dogs - let's not exaggerate and make this such a huge deal. I understand an animal was hurt and that owner is upset - I'm upset it happened too - the situation could have been avoided. But I'm not going to throw blanket statements out there either that all dogs do not get along and should all be restrained at all times. My dog being on a leash is not going to protect MY dog if another is aggressive. It's the aggressive dog who should have been restrained in the first place - that's common sense.

Ok go ahead and pick apart my whole post in tiny little sections and tell me I'm a horrible dog owner and how much I break the law and promote doing so. Let me block my head with my arms - ok go . . . .

Sagebrush

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« Reply #32 on: Jun 11, 08, 01:49:54 PM »
   

See if these examples make any more sense.

Come on people.....We all know that one of the joys of living in WW is hiking and building campfires where we want to and when we want to. I built a great one today to cook lunch  today up at INSPO and had a blast. Did not see anyone else cooking their lunch. I think I would have remembered that!!

The key here is to only have fires that are friendly to Mother Nature!
                                                  ???

Come on people.....We all know that one of the joys of living in WW is hiking and shooting our semi-automatic weapons. I hiked  today up at INSPO and had a blast knocking pine cones off those old, knurled looking trees. Did not see anyone with a rifle more powerful then mine. I think I would have remembered that!! 

The key here is to only shoot your high powered rifle when no one will catch you!

I guess being the Alpha means you can ignore things the rest of us pay attention to. 




Actually Wildman...those examples don't make any more sense, because you are equating firearms and possibly burning down an entire town/forest to walking a dog off the leash. ::)

Dramatic...NO....the law is the law, rules are rules.... abide by the rules/law or suffer the consequences. Like it or not. It doesn't matter if it it riding bikes, driving, murder, theft, walking dogs without a leash.

The law is not the law! Thats why there are distinguishing punishments for different ones. Misdemeanors and felonies are quite different just as walking a dog off leash and murdering someone is! Black and white is not the way to look at it...If you guys are so worried about it maybe you should hike the trails and write citations or do the citizens arrests you seem to be so eager to do. In the meantime, we (and by we I mean a good amount of people in this town) will continue to hike our trails with our dogs off leash and have no problems...

Some of you talk about a pack mentality......pot-kettle-black perhaps?

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Re: Loose Dogs on Trail
« Reply #33 on: Jun 11, 08, 04:02:32 PM »
Here is a picture of Hillbilly's dog (the one on the skateboard with out the leash).  Sort of looks like Bob!  Hate to see this on a trail.


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« Reply #34 on: Jun 11, 08, 04:03:31 PM »
I saw a dog off leash today!  :o


It was my own dog, so I did not go screaming call 911, flailing my arms in the air, while running down the trail.  ;D

Sagebrush

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« Reply #35 on: Jun 11, 08, 04:46:46 PM »
Here is a picture of Hillbilly's dog (the one on the skateboard with out the leash).  Sort of looks like Bob!  Hate to see this on a trail.



OMG that needs to be leashed for sure!!!

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Re: Loose Dogs on Trail
« Reply #36 on: Jun 11, 08, 04:54:03 PM »
I think I dated him once.

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Re: Loose Dogs on Trail
« Reply #37 on: Jun 11, 08, 06:13:19 PM »
It is good to be light-hearted about this issue.

But, I was walking my dog about 6 months ago on leash - another dog off leash ran toward us in the street - my dog bolted to meet the other dog and put me off balance - I sustained serious and very painful facial injuries from the fall when my head hit the pavement.

Please keep all dogs on leash so no one will be injured.

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« Reply #38 on: Jun 11, 08, 08:40:57 PM »
There is a difference between a loose dog on the street and a loose dog on the trails. Noone should walk dogs without a leash on residential streets that does not have absolute control. Ive seen people that DO have that kind of control but it is rare.

My dogs on the trail are having the time of their lives. I would never take that away from them. They are well behaved, large active dogs who need to run. This helps them in their everyday life.

To say that a dog fight might possibly occur when walking on the trails is the same as saying that you might get into an accident when driving to the post office, ect. We can do the "what if" game all day long. When it comes down to it.....We see off leash dogs on various trails almost 2-3 times weekly and there has NEVER been an issue. There has always seemed to be an unwritten understanding between all of us that hike up there that the dogs are off leash- non aggressive. My dogs love other dogs and are submissive and will permit a more aggressive dog to prove its point and move on. Yet, we have never run into that while hiking up here.

And by the way Wildman.....being Alpha doesn't mean that I get to ignore the things that the rest of you seem to get so upset about, it simply means that I understand dogs more than you... ;)

This forum seems to be a place where people like to gloat about how much they follow the rules, never speed or run a stop sign, or break any other rule. If I am the one who will suffer a ticket for walking my dogs off leash why does it bother you people so much? I will accept my punishment from all the rangers (who wave and drive past me every time they see me and often times chat with us) when the time comes. In the meantime, lighten up, and quit trying to prove to everyone how perfect you are.


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Re: Loose Dogs on Trail
« Reply #39 on: Jun 11, 08, 10:13:12 PM »
Can't believe I'm responding to this thread let alone reading it....! How about taking along a BIG stick or pepper spray to fend off a miscreant dog or wild animal. One should do this any time yer out walking in the forest, with or with out yer pet.