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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #20 on: Jul 06, 10, 05:11:36 PM »

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #21 on: Jul 06, 10, 06:00:56 PM »
I've had it confirmed that the VHF patch is NOT working.  Radio Comm is being handled via the 800 MHz trunked system which is still analog and not digital as of yet.

In most parts of town, you'll need a good outside antenna.  Program into your scanner San Bernardino County's "Sys-1" (Victorville) system, which is a "Motorola 2 800-UHF" trunked system.

Frequencies and Talk Groups for that system can be found here:

http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/bigpines/WrightwoodScannerFreqs/WrightwoodScannerFrequencies.html

If you have a BCD396XT digital trunking scanner and use ARC software to program it, I can send you the program file for the San Bernardino County "Sys-1" system upon request.  If you need instructions for other 800 MHz trunking scanners, I can probably get programming instructions for you as well.

 

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #22 on: Jul 07, 10, 06:06:30 PM »
<sigh>  It looks like it may be time to upgrade the scanner.  We have two PRO-95 scanners from Radio Shack.  I know they can be programmed to use the trunking system, I'm not certain about digital signal reception.

I'll review the specs again, and see what I can do, but it may be that the current technology has outpaced these scanners (admittedly they are 5+ years old), and I will need to go a different route.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #23 on: Jul 07, 10, 06:33:21 PM »
The Radio Shack Pro-95 is NOT a digital scanner.  That being said, it is a great "trunking" scanner and is more than capable of being used with San Bernardino's current 800 Trunking System.  I have the Pro-97 and use it exclusively in Wrightwood.

A digital scanner is very pricey and whether you buy a base or handheld, it's going to run you close to $500.

But take heart.  Switching over to digital may take some time. 

San Bernardino has to complete the rebanding of their system, which I hear is not going as smoothly as they had hoped, get all the kinks worked out, do a lot of testing and swap out all the analog radios in the entire county with radios capable of digital transmissions before they can switch over to digital.

Here in Burbank, when they converted over to the ICIS trunked system there was a lot of testing and real use working of the system.  It was a couple of years before they finally switched the system over to digital.

I'd go ahead and work on programming the SBCo "Sys-1" frequencies and talk groups into your PRO-95 scanners for now.

Trunking is a little different animal and requires different programming than conventional frequencies, but it is not that difficult.

http://www.neilvand**e.org/radioshack-pro-95/manual/#trunking
(cut and paste the above link into your browser and replace the ** with yk)

Pro-95 Manual:  http://support.radioshack.com/support_electronics/doc69/69487.pdf

In the meantime you can be saving for that day when you'll NEED digital to hear what is going on.  ;D

<sigh>  It looks like it may be time to upgrade the scanner.  We have two PRO-95 scanners from Radio Shack.  I know they can be programmed to use the trunking system, I'm not certain about digital signal reception.

I'll review the specs again, and see what I can do, but it may be that the current technology has outpaced these scanners (admittedly they are 5+ years old), and I will need to go a different route.

Thanks all!

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #24 on: Jul 15, 10, 06:40:20 PM »
One thing to check is get into the scranner groups at groups.yahoo.com, lots of help there, you can also get some software to make you programing easier, some of it is free.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #25 on: Jul 15, 10, 07:03:53 PM »
One thing to check is get into the scranner groups at groups.yahoo.com, lots of help there, you can also get some software to make you programing easier, some of it is free.

My website of choice is:  http://www.radioreference.com

Lots of help there and by professionals, including those installing and working on these radio systems.  They also have a huge database of frequencies that are kept up-to-date.

If you register with the website you can use your programming software to download Conventional and Trunking Systems directly from their database and then transfer it directly into your scanner.  This is a HUGE savings of time, especially with large Trunking Systems used by San Bernardino County, with many Systems (1 -15) for various areas with dozens of talk groups each, Los Angeles County Systems, as well as the ICIS system used throughout Southern California.

It can be done manually, but programming software is the only way to go.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #26 on: Jul 18, 10, 01:53:41 PM »
Yes I know RR very well, been there for years. I have a bcd396xt, had a RS psr 500 and many more dating back to the first RS 4 channel crystal unit. Not to mention tuneables back to 1970.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #27 on: Jul 18, 10, 08:23:57 PM »
I've been "monitoring" public safety for over 45 years as  my father was "career" LAPD.  At 10 years old in 1965 I'd tune my GE "radio" to the VHF band and listen to LAPD dispatch and for his unit while the Watts Riots were going on.

My first "Scanner", around 1970 was a GE All band tunable radio that had 4, count them, 4 LED presets that I had programmed to Burbank Police and Fire VHF frequencies and could be "scanned" at lightning speed, about 4 seconds per channel.

Crystal scanners would follow.  My first truely programable scanner was a Regency 16 channel base, VHF only of course.

Scores of scanners would follow that, base units and handhelds.  I had always been partial to the Regency brand which was bought out by BearCat, but have had many Radio shack, Fannon and AOR scanners as well. I had been a member of the RCMA (Radio Communications Monitoring Association) for many years.

In the late 70s, early 80s, one scanner that really stood out was the BearCat 300 which was 100 channel, 800MHz scanner with built in squelch break taping capablility.  I could press the tape button on the recorder and walk away.  Only transmissions would tape. Mobile/Cellphones were in their infancy and only the rich and famous could afford them so it would be very interesting to listen to that area of the spectrum.  Monitoring those frequencies was still legal and I had taped conversations of many celebrities using cell sites very close to me located near the Disney, NBC and Warner Bros studios, including Barbara Streisand, Richard Dryfus and Dudley Moore.  What was contained in the conversations, the Inquirer and other tabloids would kill for.  But of course disemanating information heard over the scanner to those who were not party to the original reception over the scanner is illegal.   ;D

VHF would lead to UHF.  UHF to 800 MHz.  800 MHz to 1.2 GHz to even ALL BAND scanners.  Trunking would arrive and now digital.  4 channels, 10 channels, 16 channels, 20 channels, 50 channels, 100 channels, 500 channels, 1000 channels and now Dynamic Allocated Memories that handle 1000s and 1000s of frequencies.  Boy have things changed over the years.

Today, my scanners of choice are my BCD396XT handheld and BC796D base unit. EVERYTHING in Burbank, Glendale and many other cities and agencies, including LAPD, have now gone digital and digital scanners are a requirement.  Unfortunately, digital scanners are very pricey and fewer and fewer people get into the scanner and monitoring hobby.  Thankfully the cities and agencies I listen to didn't go digitally "encrypted" as Santa Monica and much of Orange County did.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #28 on: Aug 20, 10, 10:40:46 PM »
Hey robert, I was up in WW last weekend, and using the 369 on SB 800 system 1, I heard a lot from the house, but nothing from WW101, I did hear a 101 assigned to a call, but was canceled 10 minutes later, and they responded by saying cleared in quarters, They never left? You said the SB system might be digital now, would that be P-25 type system?

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #29 on: Aug 21, 10, 03:51:53 AM »
I've found out that they have not gone digital yet and it might be awhile.  They want the whole system to be rebanded and tested for a period of time before going digitial.  When they do, it will be P-25.  I heard 101 traffic on the 800Mhz system two weekends ago from here at the cabin.

Also, I've been monitoring the live stream of the SBCo System 1 trunking System during the week from down below and there has been alot of 101 traffic on the system. So it appears they've moved completely to 800Mhz for now.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #30 on: Aug 21, 10, 05:45:50 AM »
Monitor D-Fire-2 867.86250. It is a conventional frequency on the 800 system that they seem to be using more recently.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #31 on: Aug 21, 10, 01:40:48 PM »
Monitor D-Fire-2 867.86250. It is a conventional frequency on the 800 system that they seem to be using more recently.

They have used that frequency all along.  It is known as "Direct".  It's used exactly the same way you would use "simplex" and is used when Engine 101 wants to talk to MA101, etc., locally at a scene or while just around here in town without going through the trunking system.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #32 on: Sep 13, 10, 07:57:54 PM »
Some clarification from a SBCo contact:

"County 3 (151.1525) is on Quartzite for that area (not Frost) and while not patched to 800, is monitored 24/7 by Comm Center for either mutual aid units or department units unable to get into the 800 system due to coverage issues. The Wrightwood station folks have not complained about any coverage issues - (other than those that have existed for the past 15 years). Primary dispatch is the conventional 800 on Frost, so the recent VHF changes don't affect them since the former VHF 151.145 and new freq are both at the same location. Unfortunately for the cooperators, the department decided to no longer "be their scanner" for them by patching 24/7. So, they won't patch 24/7 anymore which leaves the VHF open for patching to the 800mhz "fireground" tactical channels.  But there is no VHF at Frost, only 800MHz."

"For Wrightwood and the entire Victor Valley area, simply listening to "D-FIRE-2" (867.8625) on any old conventional scanner with 800mhz gets you 95% of unincorporated area responses anyway."

As for going digital?:

"They have no time frame to go digital.  I'm sure it's been talked about but never got down to the committee consisting of all the fire agencies in the county that I'm apart of.  Perhaps one day after all of the re-banding stuff gets completed.  I even see the county has some licensing in the 700mhz range but I feel very confident that will be quite some time from now if ever."


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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #33 on: Sep 14, 10, 10:37:34 PM »
One thing I have noticed is System 1 fire-1 is set for fire and such, where as system1 fire-2 is set for rescue units.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #34 on: Sep 15, 10, 04:34:43 AM »
One thing I have noticed is System 1 fire-1 is set for fire and such, where as system1 fire-2 is set for rescue units.

1-FIRE-2 is Dispatch and 1-FIRE-2 is Response/Tactical for basic calls. Eventually 1-FIRE-1 will be for County units and 1-FIRE-3 for City units Response/Tactical.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #35 on: Nov 08, 10, 02:58:43 PM »

and this: (Click on the Station Number to see a picture of the Station.  I am still trying to get updated info on these stations).

Fire Station Locations



I know this is an old post but I saw you were trying to keep it updated, information only SBCO station 127 in Trona is now SBCO station 57.

Im not sure what other changes have been made but I am aware of that one.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #36 on: Nov 08, 10, 08:34:38 PM »
I know this is an old post but I saw you were trying to keep it updated, information only SBCO station 127 in Trona is now SBCO station 57.

Im not sure what other changes have been made but I am aware of that one.

Thanks.  I have an updated version I've been working on.  I just forgot to upload it.   ;D  It's there now.  More changes to come.

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #37 on: Nov 09, 10, 12:09:37 AM »
No thank you. Way cool list

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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #38 on: Mar 03, 11, 07:19:47 PM »
These links have been fixed...

Wrightwood Scanner Frequencies

and this: (Click on the Station Number to see a picture of the Station.  I am still trying to get updated info on these stations).

Fire Station Locations


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Re: Seeking Scanner Frequencies and Fire Station information
« Reply #39 on: Mar 03, 11, 07:25:22 PM »
yep that's a great list. I have them all in my truck now.  Plus everything up hwy 395 through kern, Inyo and Mono counties.