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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #40 on: Jan 08, 10, 02:21:37 PM »
Here is the link the Volunteers use:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sanbernardino/ap/maps/anf-bigpines-bigrock.shtml

You'll also notice that the recreation fee area stops up on Blue Ridge at the Devil's Backbone Trailhead behind Wright Mountain.

So if you are stopped at the Heath Creek Slide, you'll need one.  If you travel the road past the trail head, say to the end at Slover, you will not need one.


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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #41 on: Jan 08, 10, 10:32:41 PM »
Your Adventure Pass dollars at work:

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You have a lot of people doing what they can to keep our part of the Angeles National Forest beautiful.  Would you like to help?  As Toolman said, all you have to do is pop in at the Big Pines Ranger Station and tell the guy behind the counter you're interested...



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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #42 on: Jan 10, 10, 10:51:38 AM »

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #43 on: Jan 10, 10, 12:29:24 PM »
He said it was not necessary as he never has had one has been cited several times in the past and simply does not pay the fee. I was wondering what will ultimately happen to this guy if he continues to ignore the tickets, beyond this information.

How would it play out if he ignores all notices and mail and continues parking in the same spot. Will his car be towed? Will he be arrested?

It is "possible" that the next time he gets pulled over and has his plate run by law enforcement, as the registered owner of the vehicle, he will come up with a warrant.

We were taught in training that after 30 days, a bench warrant "CAN" be issued.  I don't know if that has ever happened, but if your friend is getting multiple NNCs and he keeps ignoring them, the "system" will take notice and he is going to get somebody's attention.  I'd say he's multiplying his chances for problems down the line.

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #44 on: Jan 10, 10, 02:05:22 PM »

PLUS that trail is closed
PLUS the forest is closed

$5000 fine each order
Check the ANF web pages

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/orders/MtLowe0001.pdf


 Order No. 01-09-02
MI. LOWE TRUCK TRAIL CLOSURE OCCUPANCY AND USE ANGELES NATIONAL FOREST
Pursuant to 36 CFR 261 .50(b), and to protect natural resources and provide for public safety, the following act is prohibited within the Los Angeles River Ranger District of the Angeles National Forest This Order is effective from June 9, 2009 through June 8, 2010.
Being on Mt. Lowe Truck Trail (Forest Trail No. 2N50) from its intersection with Eaton Saddle then continuing west 112 mile to its intersection with Markham Saddle, as shown in Exhibil A 36 CFR 261 .55(a).
Pursuant to 36 CFR 261 .50(e), the following persons are exempt from this Order:
Persons with a permit from the Forest Service specifically authorizing the otherwise prohibited act or omission.
Any Federal, State, or local officer, or member of an organized rescue or fire fighting force in the performance of an official duty.

This prohibition is in addition to the general prohibitions contained in 36 CFR Part 261 , Subpart A.
Done at Arcadia, California, this eight day of June, 2009. 
Forest Supervisor Angeles National Forest
A violation of this prohibition is punishable by a fine of not more than $5,000 for an individual or $10,000 for an organization, or imprisonment for not more than six months, or both, 16 USC 551 and 18 USC 3559, 3571, and 3581.



http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/orders/StationFireRecoveryOrder-01-09-08.pdf


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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #45 on: Jan 10, 10, 07:43:30 PM »
OUCH!   ;D

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #46 on: Jan 10, 10, 08:37:25 PM »
OUCH!   ;D
He's 28... ::) I sent him all these quotes..  ;D Hope he figures it out before any of it happens... :P

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #47 on: Jan 10, 10, 08:47:31 PM »
He's 28... ::) I sent him all these quotes..  ;D Hope he figures it out before any of it happens... :P
:2thumbsup:  You're a good friend!

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #48 on: Jan 12, 10, 01:03:07 PM »
To give you an idea of changes in the recreation budgets, here is an interesting comparison.

In 1995, the Recreation and Lands staff on my current district (Sandia, just outside of Albuquerque, NM) had a budget of 1.1 million dollars for the rec and lands program.

In 2010, the Recreation and Lands budgets for the entire FOREST (Cibola--there are 4 mountain districts and 2 national grassland districts) is 1.8 million dollars. 

Yes, that is still a lot of money.  But costs have also gone up as well.  That is why you are not seeing as many paid employees out and about dealing with the recreation program.  There used to be a "maintenance crew" of 5 people, now we are down to one.  This is why, given current budget configurations, the agency has become so dependent upon Recreation Fee program (in So CA, the Adventure Pass) monies and volunteers. 

Just thought it was an interesting comparison, now that we have our final budget....

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #49 on: Jan 12, 10, 02:12:47 PM »
Unbelievable photos! 

I guess these idiots like to feel at home while using our forests - making the forest look like their neighborhoods.

Disgusting!
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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #50 on: Jan 12, 10, 04:33:41 PM »
Unbelievable photos! 

I guess these idiots like to feel at home while using our forests - making the forest look like their neighborhoods.

Disgusting!
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Seriously, but what could be done if you catch someone in the act? Legally I mean.

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #51 on: Jan 12, 10, 04:56:16 PM »
In 1995, the Recreation and Lands staff on my current district (Sandia, just outside of Albuquerque, NM) had a budget of 1.1 million dollars for the rec and lands program.

In 2010, the Recreation and Lands budgets for the entire FOREST (Cibola--there are 4 mountain districts and 2 national grassland districts) is 1.8 million dollars. 


Geez, that's awful. Those figures really bring it home.

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #52 on: Jan 12, 10, 06:09:37 PM »
Seriously, but what could be done if you catch someone in the act? Legally I mean.

Because it happens in a National Forest, it is a "Federal Crime".  We take pictures of all the "tags" and gang "monikers" when buildings and signs are hit by grafitti, before removing it or painting it over.  This information is cataloged.

When a "tagger" or gang member is caught in the act of using that particular "moniker", even if it is down in the city, the court systems pulls up all the cataloged occurances of that particular "tag" or "moniker", and the person is charged with EACH occurance.  I've been told that the Forest Service was successful not very long ago in putting a "tagger" away for a lot of years because of having pictorial evidence of his "moniker" all over the Forest.

That is one reason we always carry a camera with us when out on patrol.  The picture is sent in to our superiors electronically with a reference to the Incident Report that was created.

I've never caught anybody in the act, but I don't think it'd be too hard to have the person apprehended by a nearby LEO, CHP or Sheriff's officer, as there are only a couple of routes they can use to get off the mountain and it takes at least 30 to 45 minutes to so.   ;D

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #53 on: Jan 12, 10, 06:22:40 PM »
Because it happens in a National Forest, it is a "Federal Crime".  We take pictures of all the "tags" and gang "monikers" when buildings and signs are hit by grafitti, before painting it over.  This information is cataloged.

When a "tagger" or gang member is caught in the act of using that particular "moniker", even if it is down in the city, the court systems pulls up all the cataloged occurances of that particular "tag" or "moniker", and the person is charged with EACH occurance.  I've been told that the Forest Service was successful not very long ago in putting a "tagger" away for a lot of years because of having pictorial evidence of his "moniker" all over the Forest.

That is one reason we always carry a camera with us when out on patrol.  The picture is sent in to our superiors with a reference to the Incident Report that was created.
Thanks, That's interesting. I didn't know you are a ranger. So what would you do if you saw a tagging in progress? I mean can you arrest them on the spot?

What's to stop a rival gang from tagging the others moniker?  :P

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #54 on: Jan 12, 10, 06:45:24 PM »
Thanks, That's interesting. I didn't know you are a ranger. So what would you do if you saw a tagging in progress? I mean can you arrest them on the spot?

What's to stop a rival gang from tagging the others moniker?  :P

I am one of the Volunteers working for the USFS out of the Big Pines Station.  For the most part there are three "branches" of the USFS that most forest visitors come into contact with.  Recreation, Fire and Law Enforcement.  As Volunteers for the USFS we work in "Recreation".  We are the face of the Forest Service before the public.  We are the good guys, the rangers you remember when growing up.  We take care of the campgrounds and trails.  We are there to answer questions, inform the public of and enforce various Forest regulations, and pass out Smokey Bear comic and activity books to the kids.  Should we encounter an injury, we call in the Paramedics.  If we encounter a crime in progress, we call in the LEOs. 

Part of our training dealt with how to handle situations and keep ourselves out of harms way.  Our training is always ongoing and "people skills" are very important.  We rarely work alone and we do not put ourselves in dangerous situations or where we might run into serious problems with unsavory characters.  We have LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) Federal Police, if you will, who patrol the area as well and work with us.  It is their job to cite lawbreakers and make arrests.

Just a couple of weekends ago when we were responding on a illegal campfire that was off the beaten path, in an area where we've had problems with illegal shooting, we called in for assistance from "Edwards-17" (LEO) and a LACo Sheriff's 260-Roberts unit.  It really wasn't needed but they were in the area, so why not?  It is better to be safe than sorry.  You never know who you're going to run into in the woods.  I kind of felt sorry for the guy.  He just wanted to get away from all the commotion in the campgrounds by the Hwy, and here comes a USFS Blazer, a Federal Law Enforcement Cruiser and an LACo Sheriff's rig.  The only ones missing were the CHP and the FBI.   ;D 

The LEO ran his license for wants and warrants and we had him put the illegal campfire out.  He could have been cited, but hey, we are not out there to ruin people's day.  We gave him suggestions on where to camp where he could have a campfire legally and bid him a good day.

Should we observe tagging going on, or something more serious like individuals with guns, we'd observe, keep ourselves out of harms way, contact Angeles Dispatch and have them bring in the people who can handle it.  It's hard to out run the radio.

As for someone else using another's moniker, that kind of defeats the purpose of their tagging in the first place.  They want THEIR moniker made known.  In the case of a tagger being charged with ALL the occurrences of it, I doubt he did it all himself, as there are other members of the "gang",  but he's the one that got caught.  Hey, it's a risky business.   ;D   

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #55 on: Jan 13, 10, 06:00:34 AM »
They won't use another's moniker, what they will do is put a line thru a rival gang's tag then put their own below it. Here on the Sandia, we got caught in the cross fire of a gang war between North Side Locos (NSL) and South Side Locos/TSK (Thugs Causing Kaos) (SSL and TSK).  There was krap all over the place.  They were trying to set up territory on the mountain and expand their enterprises (none good).  With the help of the Sherrif's office, we were able to squeeze them back into the city.  They still make forays into the mountains but we try and get rid of the graffiti right away.  It is an ongoing battle.  Personally, I think they are all a bunch of worthless turdfondlers!

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #56 on: Jan 13, 10, 07:11:21 PM »
The outdoor toilet vaults at Inspiration Point Vista were pumped clean today with over 1500 gallons of waste removed including four 55 gallon plastic trash bags of bottles and cans, ect. removed.  The Sweet Smelling Toilets (SST's) should be good for several months depending upon use patterns before they need to be pumped again.  The Adventure Pass helps to keep the SST's clean for the public.

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #57 on: Jan 14, 10, 02:18:40 PM »
Just found out we used 10 cases of toilet paper just for the month of December.  There are 80 rolls in each case.

Adventure Pass monies paid for it.

The beauty of the Adventure Pass program is that those who used it, paid for it.   :2thumbsup:

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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #58 on: Apr 05, 10, 12:46:06 PM »
We do care and thank the public for supporting the program.




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Re: Adventure Pass Fee Compliance program
« Reply #59 on: Jun 05, 10, 07:37:48 AM »
I just read in the AV Press today and tomorrow Adventure passes are not required in the forest..

any truth to this?