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rmcclellan

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Mormon Rocks
« on: Dec 31, 10, 07:29:23 PM »
My family and I were hiking around at Mormon Rocks yesterday and my youngest son climbed into a cave and found some petroglyphs.  We searched the internet and found no reports of any authentic cave paintings listed in this area.  We did find that the Serrano Indians lived in the area.  We are no experts in the field, but it did seem authentic.  There were pictures of a tent village, a large god overseeing everything, mountain goats, birds, spiders, and several other geographic designs.  The only colors used were black, reddish-brown, gold and white which all seem natural.  Some pictures are fully in tact, others are starting to slough off the sandstone.  Does anyone know anything about these? Any ideas about who I might contact for more info?

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #1 on: Dec 31, 10, 09:16:16 PM »
Some time back I checked out a book at the WW library about petroglyphs in the high desert area.  Sorry, I don't recall the title, but I am sure that if you were to ask them they could help you locate it.  Have you been on the interpretive trail that starts at the Mormon Rocks Ranger station?  They used to have maps available at the trail head detailing Native American areas of interest along the trail.  You might also check out the WW museum for information.  Good luck!  I would love to hear what you find out.

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #2 on: Dec 31, 10, 09:26:53 PM »
Does anyone know anything about these? Any ideas about who I might contact for more info?

Not sure if his expertise extends into the Mormon Rocks area, but our own Terry Graham (forum name is GRAHAM_RANCH) is a wealth of information about so very many aspects of local history.  You could check the History board on this forum to see if he has ever posted anything about that area (that board is near the bottom of the main page of topics).  Or send him a personal message.

Another place to check would be the local museum, located on Cedar St. in the old firehouse, west side of the street between Apple and Evergreen.  They are open on most Saturdays from 10-4, I doubt if they will be open on NY Day.

Good luck, and welcome to this forum!     :welcomehere:

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #3 on: Dec 31, 10, 09:59:26 PM »
And, there is an archeologist in the area that works out of the Big Pines VIS, you could also call up there to contact him.  249-3504 for the BP VIS

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #4 on: Jan 01, 11, 08:25:34 AM »
Have you been on the interpretive trail that starts at the Mormon Rocks Ranger station?  They used to have maps available at the trail head detailing Native American areas of interest along the trail.  You might also check out the WW museum for information.  Good luck!  I would love to hear what you find out.

Well, I'm a dope. I had no idea there was an interpretive trail there, cool. when the weather warms up a little I'll check it out.

BTW, I'm also very interested to hear what the OP finds out about the paintings, how interesting!

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #5 on: Jan 01, 11, 09:23:29 AM »

You got me searching the internet on this also but not to many publications with detailed information. What I did find interesting is that the original name of the area is Rock Candy Mountains later to be named Mormon Rocks after Mormon Utah settlers made they're way through the Cajon Pass. I did find the Serrano and Mojave Indians populated the area in the 1800's.

 If you have a lot of time to kill, try the below link. You may find an abstract, but will most likely need a $$ subscription for the entire research paper.

 http://www.scahome.org/publications/proceedings_topics.html



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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #6 on: Jan 01, 11, 09:46:14 AM »
I wonder how many of us did an online search for Mormon Rocks because of your post rmcclellan?  Toolman, we must have happened upon the same site.  Rock Candy Mountains?  That was news to me.  We live in such a geologically interesting area.  Just like Vasquez Rocks off of the 14 freeway, it is amazing what the ground beneath our feet has done, and is doing!

BTW, the trail behind the ranger station is just beautiful in the early spring when all of the wild flowers are blooming.  Don't forget to bring along a camera! 

Check out www.sblib.org and type in 'petroglyphs california' for a listing of books on the subject that are available within the SB library system. 

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #7 on: Jan 01, 11, 02:18:51 PM »
Thanks everyone!! We will continue to research and share anything we find out.

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #8 on: Jan 02, 11, 07:53:59 PM »
Hi, I just sent you a PM and would appreciate a phone call.

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #9 on: Jan 02, 11, 10:24:35 PM »
I think we should all vote to change it back to Rock Candy Mountains.  It just sounds so much yummier!!!

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #10 on: Jan 08, 11, 01:27:19 PM »
Just like Vasquez Rocks off of the 14 freeway, it is amazing what the ground beneath our feet has done, and is doing!


According to someone I worked with that had a geology background, they used to be the same rock formation.  But Vasquez Rocks is on the Pacific Plate that is moving northward and Mormon Rocks is on the Continental (? not sure if I have the right plate...) plate that isn't really moving.  As you know, the San Andreas Fault runs right thru the area (as well as WW).  I always correct people when they say, "California is going to fall in the ocean"  uh, no--San Francisco will be a suburb of Anchorage...

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #11 on: Jan 08, 11, 03:00:14 PM »
And, there is an archeologist in the area that works out of the Big Pines VIS, you could also call up there to contact him.  249-3504 for the BP VIS

His direct number is: 249-3317

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #12 on: Jan 17, 11, 05:41:23 PM »
According to someone I worked with that had a geology background, they used to be the same rock formation.  But Vasquez Rocks is on the Pacific Plate that is moving northward and Mormon Rocks is on the Continental (? not sure if I have the right plate...) plate that isn't really moving.  As you know, the San Andreas Fault runs right thru the area (as well as WW).  I always correct people when they say, "California is going to fall in the ocean"  uh, no--San Francisco will be a suburb of Anchorage...

Well...working off my memory from my college classes and field studies....

The correct plates are the North American Plate and the Pacific Plate. The two plates converge and form the San Andres fault.   They are what are considered "right lateral strike/slip fault " which means if you are standing on the North American plate and facing the Pacific plate during an earthquake you will move to the right (in a northwest direction). Same is true if you were on the Pacific plate facing the North American plate....you would move right (in a south east direction)  during an earthquake.   

Wrightwood is located in a transverse mountain range (San Gabriel Mountains) running in a east/west direction while the majority of mountain ranges run in a north/south direction.  The mountains moved (thanks to the San Andreas fault) in a counter clockwise direction.  The far east end of the range moved from the the area where the Garlock/San Andreas Fault meet.  If you ever look at a raised relief map of the area where the faults meet, it looks like a large arrow pointing west. 

The Vasquez rocks, Mormon Rocks and Devils Punch bowl were remnants of  riverbed that were thrust up with the plate movement. 

Interesting to look at the rocks up close.  You can see the various layers of "sediment" from the old river beds.  There are layers with large rock and layers with thin "silt".  The layers with large rock would be periods of heavy rain and flooding...carrying larger rocks and sediment.  The layers of fine "sand" would be from periods of light rain carrying silt down stream. 

Your right about California NOT falling into the ocean.  Long ago, the general belief was California was sitting on a shelf.  That shelf was expected to fall off into the ocean if there was a big earth quake.  They discovered that theory was not correct. 

My concern would be that half of Wrightwood would end up in Mexico, the other half in San Francisco   ;)

I hear it is cheaper to live in Mexico.... ;D

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #13 on: Jan 17, 11, 05:58:49 PM »
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I was just down there Friday shooting for fun, and ran into another WW photog shooting senior portraits with the rocks as a backdrop.  Thanks for ALL the info. Interesting that their might be old cave paintings in the area, I would love to get shots of these petroglyphs or markings.

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Re: Mormon Rocks
« Reply #14 on: Apr 23, 17, 11:12:11 AM »
There are some faked indian drawings in some of the caves in the Mormon Rocks.  They are well done and in fact mimic native peoples drawings, but they are done with modern paints, and first showed up around 1995 or so. They are located on the North side of the tracks that run right thru the middle of the rocks.
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