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North State Lawmakers Target Fire Tax Fee
« Reply #60 on: Mar 17, 12, 09:46:29 AM »
North State Lawmakers Target Fire Tax Fee

A controversial statewide fire protection fee that targets rural property owners is now in the cross-hairs of Republican lawmakers.

Today, a group of assemblymen made it official, introducing a bill that would repeal the annual fee.

Governor Jerry Brown and democratic lawmakers approved the fee last year, saying those who choose to live in rural areas should pay more for the cost of fire protection, but Republican lawmakers feel the fee is being unfairly imposed.

It's a controversial wildfire fee that has rural homeowner and Cohasset resident Jean Freedom fired up.

"It is unfair, it isn't equal, just to be taxed more and double because you live out in the country doesn't make any sense to me," said Freedom.

She isn't alone.

"We already pay a lot of taxes and this is just another one in a recession so it's really hard on all of us up here," said Cohasset resident Perry Johnson.

The wildfire fee requires rural homeowners residing in the 31 million acres that fall under the protection of Cal Fire to pay as much as $150 annually for fire fighting services.

The fee could raise as much as 84 million dollars to help the state's firefighting budget, something Cal Fire spokesman Daniel Berlant says helps guarantee a stable funding source for the state's firefighters.

"This is isn't new money. This is money that is being taken out of our general fund portion and being replaced by this special fund so really what it does is create a stable funding source for us for fire prevention," said Berlant.

But north state lawmakers Jim Nielsen and Doug LaMalfa today introduced legislation that would repeal the fee.

They think it's a tax and it should've required two-thirds vote to pass.

"This fire tax is indeed illegal, it doesn't follow constitutional guidelines for a two-thirds vote by the legislature ,nor was it even presented to the people for a vote. It's another attack on rural Californians," said LaMalfa.

"It is not only illegal, it happened in a despicable way, dark of night, behind closed doors, no public input on this immense and enduring fee," added Nielsen.

"I don't see where it's a necessity. I think they're just trying to come up with more money to cover their shortfalls," concluded Johnson.

http://www.khsltv.com/content/localnews/story/North-State-Lawmakers-Target-Fire-Tax-Fee/oEvnZwllSUa5xWgJ884UkQ.cspx

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Re: North State Lawmakers Target Fire Tax Fee
« Reply #61 on: Mar 17, 12, 01:30:36 PM »
Governor Jerry Brown and democratic lawmakers approved the fee last year, saying those who choose to live in rural areas should pay more for the cost of fire protection...

Yeah, right democrats... sounds reasonable at first glance, but they don't even apply these kinds of thoughts fairly either. Our sales tax went up 1/2 percent after that nasty earthquake in San Francisco several years ago (even though we don't live there), because we had to help them pay for their damage.

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #62 on: Mar 17, 12, 01:47:58 PM »
Two wrongs don't make a right, Bob.

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #66 on: Mar 27, 12, 08:56:58 AM »
Yesterday State Assembly Bill AB 1506 passed the Natural Resources Committee. That bill would repeal the Fire fee if passed.


AB 1506 (Cook and Jeffries)
State responsibility areas: fire prevention fees.

Existing law requires the State Board of Forestry and Fire Protection, on or before September 1, 2011, to adopt emergency regulations to establish a fire prevention fee in an amount not to exceed $150 to be charged on each structure on a parcel that is within a state responsibility area, as defined, and requires that the fire prevention fee be adjusted annually using prescribed methods. Existing law requires the State Board of Equalization to collect the fire prevention fees, as prescribed, commencing with the 2011-12 fiscal year. Existing law establishes the State Responsibility Area Fire Prevention Fund and prohibits the collection of fire prevention fees if, commencing with the 2012-13 fiscal year, there are sufficient amounts of moneys in the fund to finance specified fire prevention activities for a fiscal year. Existing law requires that the fire prevention fees collected, except as provided, be deposited into the fund and be made available, to the board and the Department of Forestry and Fire Protection for certain specified fire protection activities that benefit the owners of structures in state responsibility areas who are required to pay the fee. Existing law further requires the board, on and after January 1, 2013, to submit an annual written report to the Legislature on specified topics.

This bill would repeal the above provisions relating to the fire prevention fees.

More:
http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/62718/

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #68 on: Jul 18, 12, 07:54:49 AM »
What is a habitable structure?
A "habitable structure" is a building that can be occupied for residential use. These include single family homes, multi-dwelling structures, mobile and manufactured homes, condominiums and apartment buildings. Habitable structures do NOT include incidental buildings such as detached garages, barns, outdoor sanitation facilities and sheds.

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #69 on: Jul 18, 12, 12:47:46 PM »
What about a guest room over a detached garage?

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
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Bills for Illegal Fire Tax Being Sent this Month
« Reply #71 on: Aug 01, 12, 07:18:45 AM »

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #72 on: Aug 01, 12, 02:32:10 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/CalFireFee
Links to a page nearly as promising as Ms. Steel's - CalFireFee.com - but their link to the sample bill didn't work for me.

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
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California fire fee ignites anger as bills go out
« Reply #74 on: Aug 12, 12, 05:49:29 PM »
More than 800,000 Californians who own property in wildfire country will begin receiving bills this week for a new annual fire-protection fee, rekindling outrage among rural residents and leading to a likely lawsuit seeking to overturn the surcharge.

The fee, passed by Democrats in the Legislature and signed by Gov. Jerry Brown last year, is intended to raise an estimated $84 million in its first year for fire-prevention efforts. The annual charge can run as high as $150 for property owners with a single occupied dwelling, although there is a $35 discount for those who already pay a local tax for fire protection.

The discount will apply to about 95 percent of rural property owners, but it's not enough to quell the anger in the parts of California where the fee will apply.

"Everybody that knows about it is upset, but I think 90 percent of the public has no idea it's coming. It's going to be quite a shock," said John Little of Laytonville, chief of the Long Valley Fire Protection District in rural Mendocino County.

He said the $115 annual bill will hurt residents in his 250-square-mile district. The region, between the Mendocino National Forest and the Pacific Ocean, has a jobless rate of 18 percent and many seniors living on fixed incomes.

The bills start going out Monday and will have been issued to more than 825,000 property owners by year's end. They are being sent to counties in alphabetical order, so residents of Alameda, Alpine and Amador counties will be first in line.

The fee was imposed on those who own property within the 31 million rural acres covered by the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, a responsibility area that includes about one-third of the state.

Fire danger there is growing more extreme, according to a recent University of California, Merced study prepared for the California Energy Commission. Climate change, development and changes to the landscape may double the fire risk to rural homes over the next 40 years, researchers found. They predict the greatest increase in risk in Northern California's foothills and mountains.

Brown sought the fee mostly to help close the state's budget deficit, calling it "a fee consistent with the 'beneficiary pays principle'," in his signing message. If additional money can be raised and dedicated to CalFire, he reasoned, a similar amount could go to other state services that have experienced deep budget cuts.

The fee will help prevent more spending cuts for state firefighters, department spokesman Daniel Berlant said.

Over the last 18 months, the department has dealt with an $80 million budget cut by hiring 700 fewer seasonal firefighters, closing an air base in Fresno and mothballing five bulldozers and both of its fire engines serving the Lake Tahoe area because it lacked enough firefighters to operate them. Fire protection around Lake Tahoe is now provided by local fire districts and the U.S. Forest Service.

The fee will pay for the department's existing fire-prevention efforts, including thinning brush and trees and clearing around homes.

Soon after the bills go out, the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association plans to file a lawsuit to have the fee declared unconstitutional.

Association president Jon Coupal said the fee is actually a tax, which requires a two-thirds vote in the Legislature to enact. The fire fee passed on simple majority votes in the Assembly and Senate, without support from any Republican lawmakers.

Adding to the confusion is a notice sent by the state Board of Equalization to alert affected property owners that a bill for the new fire fee would be coming. The notice shows a picture of a firefighter spraying water on flames, giving the impression that the fee is for suppression rather than its stated purpose of prevention. It further says property owners have 30 days to send their payment or "protest the amount of the bill in writing."

State fire officials worked with the board last week to revise the wording of the notice and substitute a different photograph, Berlant said. "Protest makes it sound like if you don't want to pay, you don't have to pay. That's not accurate," he said.

Property owners can ask for "redetermination" if they can prove, for instance, that their property is not in the state responsibility area and they should not have to pay. They also can argue that they are entitled to the $35 discount because they pay a local fire district tax or that they are being billed for more habitable structures than they actually own.

Former state Sen. George Runner, a Republican from Lancaster who sits on the Board of Equalization, pushed for the advance notice to give rural residents more time to pay or contest the billings. He agreed with changing the wording and the photograph to more accurately reflect the details of the new fee.

"We're going to use the word 'appeal.' This is going to the public. They don't understand the word 'redetermination.' Our agency tries to use words that real people understand," said Runner, who has been critical of the fee.

The nonpartisan Office of Legislative Counsel ruled that it qualifies as a fee because it directly pays for specific state services. Democratic lawmakers said they also followed a recommendation from the nonpartisan Legislative Analyst's Office to levy a fee on homeowners who directly benefit from the state's firefighting efforts in rural areas.

Opponents said it singles out one group of homeowners subject to a particular type of natural disaster.

"It's a bogus way the state is just trying to sidestep their budget issues and slap it on the rural communities," said mortgage broker Jason DeLeo, president of the chamber of commerce in Ramona, which abuts the Cleveland National Forest about 40 miles northeast of San Diego.

He recalls working with friends and neighbors using garden hoses to save homes threatened by devastating wildfires that roared through San Diego County in 2003. The same homeowners already clear around their homes to protect them from fires, without the state's help, he said. "The money they're going to raise from this isn't going to new fire engines, or firefighters or any of that," DeLeo said. "The only thing that could help is more boots on the ground, which none of this is going to do."

Berlant said the state fire department would face a gap of $85 million in its current year budget if the lawsuit succeeds in overturning the fee, forcing more service cuts.

Carol Banner, who lives and sells real estate in the Lake Arrowhead region of the San Bernardino Mountains 80 miles east of Los Angeles, is upset because she already pays for local fire protection.

"Those are the people who we call when we have a fire in our home or when the big one comes," she said.

Local fire officials said they worry the new fee will discourage residents from paying more for local services.

John Hallman, who sits on a local board that promotes fire-prevention efforts in his community near Lake Berryessa, has been trying to persuade his neighbors to each pay $25 to $50 a year. The money would go toward clearing brush around their properties and on the road linking the community to the Napa Valley.

"With this going through, people are not going to want to pay any more for sure," he said.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news%2Fstate&id=8770803

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Re: California fire fee ignites anger as bills go out
« Reply #75 on: Aug 12, 12, 08:57:43 PM »
Brown sought the fee mostly to help close the state's budget deficit, calling it "a fee consistent with the 'beneficiary pays principle'," in his signing message. If additional money can be raised and dedicated to CalFire, he reasoned, a similar amount could go to other state services that have experienced deep budget cuts.

Yeah, I love how they like to use "beneficiary pays" when it suits them. Seems to me, my sales tax went up after that rather nasty earthquake in the SF area several years ago, even though I didn't "benefit" from that money. I know I won't benefit from that stupid high-speed train either! If Sacramento can ever just cut the waste, then I'd feel more comfortable with these kinds of "beneficiary pays" approaches to things.

Personally, I think too many areas are considered SRAs, and even then, I think these are the kinds of costs that all citizens should chip in for via taxes, the way its been done up until now.

I also love how this tax (I refuse to call it a fee) is applied to multi-family dwellings. Take the same exact 4-plex. If it's 4 apartments, with renters paying one owner, that entire structure is "taxed" as one dwelling. If that same structure is 4 separate condo's, each family pays (so the state get 4 times the tax for that same building). At least that's the way I understand it works.

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Tri-Community Property Owners must read !
« Reply #76 on: Aug 21, 12, 06:38:01 PM »

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #77 on: Sep 12, 12, 09:00:49 PM »
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- One of California's top elected tax collectors is facing criticism for his high-profile campaign to block a controversial fee that Democratic leaders say he and the state board he serves are responsible for collecting, not opposing.

Republican Board of Equalization member George Runner says the Democratic Legislature and governor engaged in an "illegal money-grab" when they voted last year to charge rural residents whose homes are at risk from wildfires a $150 fee.

Runner has a website encouraging homeowners to appeal the fee. He has written and spoken out against it, and says he will join a planned lawsuit by opponents who argue it is an unconstitutional tax.

"I've opposed this new tax from the beginning, because I believe it is unconstitutional," Runner says on his website. "I intend to join a lawsuit asking the courts to halt this illegal money-grab as soon as possible."

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/12/4814411/calif-tax-collector-criticized.html#storylink=cpy

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #78 on: Sep 12, 12, 09:08:39 PM »
Has anyone seen a bill yet?

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
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