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Offline tcaarabians

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #280 on: Sep 08, 15, 04:21:53 PM »
Forester... I'd check with the Board of Equalization.  You can use your parcel map #.  Might as well check or you can get a late fee.  cheryl o7o

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #281 on: Sep 08, 15, 06:48:57 PM »
Okay, thank you Cheryl. 

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #282 on: Oct 04, 15, 05:08:46 PM »
$43 million in California fire prevention money goes unspent
SACRAMENTO, Calif.

A state fire prevention account has ended recent fiscal years with tens of millions of dollars unspent despite bone-dry conditions across much of California's wildland area.

The state ended the fiscal year in June with an estimated $43 million in fee money left over for fire prevention, the Sacramento Bee reported Sunday (http://bit.ly/1WFIfCD).

The state collected more than $300 million through June from more than 800,000 property owners who pay a fire prevention fee. Most of them pay $117.33 a year for each habitable structure.

The money has been generated by a contentious, four-year-old fee pushed through by Gov. Jerry Brown and legislative Democrats over the objections of Republicans and rural property owners.

Statewide since January, more than 5,300 fires have torched almost 300,000 acres, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. The toll would have been worse without activities and projects funded by the fire prevention fee, state officials said.

Yet they said they have proceeded cautiously in spending the prevention fee money because they were not sure how much money the charge would bring in.

"Given the fact that it's a relatively new fund, there's not a long track record on receipts. We do want to maintain a prudent reserve for unforeseen circumstances," Department of Finance spokesman H.D. Palmer said.

State Sen. Jim Nielsen, R-Gerber, who sits on the budget subcommittee that oversees Cal Fire, rejected the idea that the fire fund's large reserve reflects prudence.

"They're hoarding it," he said. "What for, I don't know."

Some have suggested the state may have one eye on the courts, where it is fighting a lawsuit filed by critics who contend the fee is an illegal tax.

In August, a Sacramento County judge elevated the case to class-action status, and a trial date is expected next year. If the state ultimately loses, the fee revenue would disappear and the state would face refunding an estimated 12,000 property owners eligible for the class.

Refunding five years of fees to landowners who filed a required protest would cost more than $7 million. Nevada County Supervisor Hank Weston, echoing a common belief, said he thinks the large balance in the fire prevention fund reflects officials' concern the state will lose the case.

Weston, a former Cal Fire unit chief who pays the fire prevention charge, said there's no excuse for all of the unspent money in the fund.

"Statewide, they're collecting $75 million (a year), during one of the worst droughts, in one of worst fire seasons, and the best thing would have been to add a bunch of inspectors. They didn't do that," Weston said.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article37738437.html

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Sacramento Bee report reveals unintended consequences of the fire tax
« Reply #283 on: Oct 27, 15, 05:32:34 PM »

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #284 on: Dec 16, 15, 03:25:59 PM »

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #285 on: Jan 23, 16, 09:31:45 AM »

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #286 on: Jan 23, 16, 07:59:55 PM »
I think I always imagined the court ruling the fire fee unlawful and us getting a full refund.

"Class action" always makes me think a partial award (or worse, attorneys accepting a low pre-trial settlement) where, after the attorneys get their 30-40%, our share of the remainder is perhaps a dime on the dollar.

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #287 on: Jan 23, 16, 08:27:27 PM »
after the attorneys get their 30-40%

Not so sure about that with it being:
Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #288 on: Jan 24, 16, 10:13:31 AM »
I think Cheapskate made some good points.  And those points are often how class-action settlements or court decisions are made. I guess we'll all have to wait to see. I did not formally file a protest to the fire fee. I did write "paid under protest" on my check. I do have a friend that asked to make payments. She was told she could do that but she'd have to waive her right to protest the fee. So, I question when  the release from the Jarvis group states "everyone who has not opted out" will be a party to the class action suit .. is correct.   cheryl o7o

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #289 on: Jan 24, 16, 04:41:52 PM »
I respect the work that the Howard Jarvis group has done and continues to do.  If anybody can get this unfair tax off of our backs, it will be HJTA.  As for getting refunds, that's probably not going to happen.  A lot depends on how the judge rules on the lawsuit.  I would be satisfied if the fee was eliminated. 

If I received a refund, I would probably become even more generous in my support of HJTA.  I am still mindful of the property tax savings that we have enjoyed over the years since Proposition 13 became law.  Thank you HJTA!

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #290 on: Jan 25, 16, 02:46:58 PM »
Just FYI if you bought/sold a Wrightwood house since this went into affect .... We bought one house in June 2014 and sold the other one in July 2014. I had to pay fire fees for the full year for both, even though there were only 9-days worth of the year on the house we sold. They don't do any kind of pro-rated bill.

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #291 on: Jan 26, 16, 08:09:56 AM »
KW.. my escrow pro-rated fees that had been paid. Just a thought. cheryl o7o

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #292 on: Jan 26, 16, 08:37:18 AM »
The fee never came up during the sales process or escrow. Maybe the realtors in town need to be aware of this and include this issue to be resolved in escrow. The person at the State Board of Equalization said it's an ongoing problem because some escrow companies don't know about it. I didn't know about it until I got a late notice with interest for my new house. They waived the late fee and interest once they learned of the issue.

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #293 on: Jan 27, 16, 09:56:15 AM »
KW.. good points. When we bought here the fire fees had not been enacted.  I might have tried sending the new owners of the house you sold the bill for the upcoming year because I believe the fee is prospective. Course, I can see why you wouldn't have wanted a delinquent bill in your name with the BOE/state. If nothing else, perhaps you'll be a 'double plaintiff' in the Howard Jarvis lawsuit.  cheryl o7o

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #294 on: Jan 27, 16, 09:29:55 PM »
KW,

I do believe the "realtors in town" live in town.  So they're well aware of the fee.  And, in my experience, when they accept listings they don't press the sellers into disclosures.  More disclosures = fewer sales.  Turn a blind eye, etc.

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #295 on: Jan 28, 16, 10:27:50 AM »

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #296 on: Jan 29, 16, 09:08:11 AM »
In my limited experience with class action lawsuits, part of the court process is for the defendant (the state in this case) to mail the notice to the potential plaintiffs (you and me in this case).  I haven't received a letter yet.  March 7 appears to be the cut-off date for 'opting out.' Seems a bit close in time if a mailing is to go out.
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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #297 on: Jan 29, 16, 05:36:26 PM »
Yeah, 'dem notices need to be in the mail PDQ!  :-)

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #298 on: May 09, 16, 04:24:25 PM »

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #299 on: May 10, 16, 02:04:37 PM »