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Offline Joe Schmoe

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #80 on: Mar 22, 15, 04:12:51 PM »
Our current but always open to revision consensus is, CO2 levels cause global warming, global warming causes climate change, climate change causes drought in California.  Trees consume CO2 and release oxygen and water vapor.  Cutting down trees?  Stupid idea.

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #81 on: Mar 22, 15, 05:21:16 PM »
Uh. . . ya. Nice theory, but I don't buy it on a few points. Joe's, for one. And so, if you thin out the trees, allowing more snow to hit the ground, you're still going to have evaporation (which I assume is the problem). Now you're going to have sunlight hitting areas where there wasn't any, still allowing for that evaporation. Maybe less, but the differential seems hardly beneficial given what trees do.

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« Reply #82 on: Mar 22, 15, 09:47:23 PM »
   The science is beyond simply evaporation. Plant roots cause an ability for water to permeate the ground thus hold water. This root mass holds the soil, thus stabilizing the earth near the plant material. Trees exude gases thus encouraging moisture to be consolidated into raindrops, thus rain. As forests decrease in mass, desertification takes hold e.g, the cedars of Lebanon and large parts of North Africa. Sugar production (photosynthesis) will decrease per acre thus carbon will not be sequestered in the trees, thus not decreasing carbon as gas. Also, and not the least, is that slope erosion control will most certainly be compromised. Soils of America are washed into the ocean at tremendous levels over the past century. Only 7% of the earth's surface is arable and thus plant-able and we will be contributing to its diminution. The winners of this scheme will most likely be forest products companies i.e., 20" diameter trees and better (see above article). Japan has had the inside on this feature for many years for plywood to sell here. Thus funneling our dollars to Asia.  The electric companies (who will go to the PUC to increase rates to cut the forests) thus increasing your utility bill. The losers may be sound management of our forests, including biodiversity, forest health and stability of the environment.
   I'm not sure, but this, to me, seems like a ploy for particular interests at the expense of everyone else.
Oddly, I just read an article about removing the forests except for an occasional tree with a certain genotype to stop the aggression of bark beetles even though bark beetles are part of our ecosystem and do a particular job. Our forests would return hundreds of years from now. This smells of the same scent. I'm not sure of the actual intent or quality of the original source prior to the commentary by the Sacramento Bee.

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #83 on: Mar 22, 15, 10:16:03 PM »
People need to stop breeding.
Over-population by humans is killing our planet.
Parent the ones who are already here. We don't need more.

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #84 on: Mar 23, 15, 03:37:16 AM »
If thinning our forests to previous levels is the answer, and that is a big "if,"
then the solution would be for the US Forest Service to mark the trees that need to be cut and allow private parties to fell the trees for firewood. That would save the expense of hiring loggers to cut trees that are not commercially viable, while bringing in some income from modest wood cutting fees. (When I lived in MT, back in the 1980s,  cutting permits were $5 per tree.)

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #85 on: Apr 08, 15, 04:25:06 PM »
Emergency Regulations Development to Achieve 25% Conservation

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Urban water supplier tiers

Do not see Wrightwood on the list but it does include Phelan Pinon Hills Community Services District along with Golden State Water Company San Dimas

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #86 on: Apr 08, 15, 06:17:48 PM »
People need to stop breeding.
Over-population by humans is killing our planet.
Parent the ones who are already here. We don't need more.

My opinion exactly. 

Thinning forest is ridiculous waste of time, effort, and money.. again IMO.

Lack of parenting has given us the society we have today.  Society is in a tailspin.

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Re: Drought news
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Offline Joe Schmoe

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #88 on: Apr 08, 15, 08:31:24 PM »
Good luck getting the affluent to sacrifice their monuments to themselves.  Those who can most afford to modify their water usage simply wont.  Maybe areas that have the highest evaporation rates should be required to save the most water/pay the highest penalties?

Drive around any affluent area and ask yourselves if you think their landscaping will look drastically different in a couple years.  You know you will answer no.

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #89 on: Apr 08, 15, 08:49:06 PM »
Drive around affluent communities and you will see vector control treating the street gutters that are literally mossy from the constant water flowing from landscape

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #90 on: Apr 08, 15, 11:24:26 PM »
Are the golf courses and parks in the article watered with reclaimed sewage water? I know Ontario's golf course and at least one park, along w/some landscaping is--I wonder how widespread those programs are?

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #91 on: Apr 09, 15, 03:02:08 AM »
A recent news story stated a third of all golf courses in (I believe) southern California use recycled water.

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #92 on: Apr 09, 15, 03:20:02 AM »
And then there are those towns that fine residents who *gasp* allow their lawns to get brown spots.  Sure hope those fines will at least be temporarily removed during this drought emergency...  In the mean time, praying for more rain over here.

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #93 on: Apr 22, 15, 03:58:54 PM »
California Drought a Shortage of Water or Common Sense?

http://reason.com/archives/2015/04/17/california-drought-a-shortage-of-water-o

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #94 on: Apr 22, 15, 06:32:36 PM »
This is an interesting new breakthrough that promises to replace the need for reverse osmosis and/or buying bottled water.  It's another way individuals can conserve water.

http://www.naturalnews.com/049436_water_filter_revolutionary_breakthrough_conservation.html

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #95 on: Apr 22, 15, 09:51:02 PM »
Copy and paste the above link into your browser. For some reason the active link starts with "ftp:..." instead of "http:..."

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #96 on: Apr 22, 15, 10:02:51 PM »

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Re: Drought news
« Reply #97 on: Apr 22, 15, 10:13:16 PM »
I found the error and corrected it - the link above should work now.

Copy and paste the above link into your browser. For some reason the active link starts with "ftp:..." instead of "http:..."

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Re: Drought news
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« Reply #99 on: Apr 27, 15, 03:53:13 PM »