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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #500 on: Dec 20, 16, 04:12:51 AM »
Wes,
Just curious.. how long does each splice of fiber cable take? (approximately)
Any photos or video of the process available  ;)

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #501 on: Dec 20, 16, 04:14:29 PM »
Funny the router I have from Verizon/Frontier covers my two story house,front and back porch and garage. Just wish the service was better. Hope the new companies routers do the same.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #502 on: Dec 20, 16, 05:12:20 PM »
My Verizon router works just about everywhere except certain spots outside....BTW, has work on Section 3 started yet?

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #503 on: Dec 20, 16, 06:50:38 PM »
Wireless coverage depends on a lot of different things:  The size of your house, and what materials are in the walls and floors.

As a general rule, the radio coverage is going to be a circle, so putting it in the middle of your house will be better than at an edge.

Generally, higher in the room is better than lower -- the signal can go over things it would otherwise have to go through.

Coverage will generally be a "donut" shape, lying flat.  On a floor directly above the router, you may have very poor signal (in the donut hole).

This is all "generally."

If your home is newer, or has been upgraded, it may have insulation with a foil backing.  The foil blocks radio signals pretty well.

Inside a house, insulation is usually for sound, not heat, so foil isn't needed, but sometimes the contractor uses what he has and there is nothing wrong with that until you find the foil blocks WiFi between rooms or from floor to floor.

That's why, in an ideal world, you'd have several access points around your home (the WiFi part of the typical home router is an "access point") and they'd be wired back to your router.

Makes me a tiny bit crazy when I see that the Google offering (which is a router and two access points) imply that it's somehow different than a router, but that's marketing for you.

If fairly tech-savvy, you can get some nice access points and do a commercial-grade wired set of access points, maybe with an outdoor AP to cover your yard/deck/patio, but for most of us, that's overkill.

The access point built-in to the Verizon routers is not that strong, so if it's working for you, most anything newer will work better.  If it's good enough, better probably won't be that noticeable.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #504 on: Dec 20, 16, 07:28:38 PM »
Install a free Wifi Analyzer app and you'll have a good idea on coverage around your home.  farproc Wifi Analyzer

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #505 on: Dec 21, 16, 02:42:06 AM »
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Section 3 started yet

Not yet, but about to.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #506 on: Dec 21, 16, 03:15:44 AM »
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Makes me a tiny bit crazy when I see that the Google offering (which is a router and two access points) imply that it's somehow different than a router, but that's marketing for you.

I think it is more then that and I think they are on to something.

I bought one of the three packs and played around with it last night and tonight. Works pretty well I would have to say. It has a very easy setup method. You download an app on your phone and that controls everything from the install to the ongoing maintenance. And wow.. automatic firmware updates! Holy smokes, someone besides Apple is thinking about it? This is increasingly important due to routers being pretty easy to hack out.. Automatic updates will prevent mistakes in the code from persisting, this is a mighty good thing.

Google has tried very very hard to make this easy and this is the best one I have seen yet. Even the packaging is very Apple like. When you hate to throw the packaging away because it is so nice, you know you bought some Apple stuff. This is the first non Apple packaging where I found myself trying to figure out what to to do with the cool box..

Let me say first that I am not a huge Google fan, their interfaces and the way things work are generally over complicated and obtuse. I am the family IT guy and I just set up all this stuff for everyone in the family.. Let my brother Admin his Google account? Are you crazy! But this is different.. way different. I might actually just let my brother set it up himself! Now that is testimony, let me tell you..

You need a Google account to get it activated but once that is done it is just a couple of options to push and it self discovers and gets it all setup for you. Very slick. Not very Google like.. what happened?

Extenders are often necessary nowadays if you want to cover every part of your house completely. Anyone can see this just by going to Best Buy and noting the deluge of network extenders on the shelves.
It is often a compromise in some way to use just one Access Point (Router) without an extender. I dislike most of the extenders out there... lots of people (including me) have bought the TP-Link's and they work for a while.. But they are crap, they are terrible after a while.. .  The configurations get wiped out routinely, they lock up which requires frequent reboots, just the worst. Recommending these to a customer is not a good idea in that we find ourselves trying to support the lousy things over the phone.

Instead our strategy at UIA is find the place in the house the is going to get the most use.. then extend with a hardwire Ethernet cable from the ONT (where the Fiber comes in ) to that part of the house and put the WiFi router there. We go around the house and conduct speed tests where ever we think there might be use, such as the TV, office, Kitchen and so on. We take pains to hook up everything for our customer.. every device. We feel this part is essential.. we are already there after all.. lets just get it done.

Usually this works pretty well. It doesn't mean however that in some corner somewhere there might be 20 or 10 Mbps instead of 100 Mbps for example..

I am always hesitant to recommend extenders as they can be a real pain in the neck (see above comments), but the Google system is different and might actually work.
I have an upstairs and and downstairs.. lots of walls.. and so far so good. I like that I can see how well the Access Points are talking to each other.. gives me a graphic view of how it is performing that is easy to understand. I get 600 Mbps next to the Primary router which is as good as my Apple. Really simple and easy to keep adding Access points around the house.

I will comment further in another post on why your DSL WiFi might give you full coverage whereas our UIA high speed may not give you that same complete coverage.


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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #507 on: Dec 21, 16, 03:48:18 AM »
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Funny the router I have from Verizon/Frontier covers my two story house, front and back porch and garage. Just wish the service was better. Hope the new companies routers do the same.

Maybe, maybe not.. it requires some explanation.

First you are getting full coverage at very low bandwidth.. All your devices are playing in the same frequency space.. or mostly so. Think of the frequency space as a pipe.. with more bandwidth we are using more of that pipe.. it is filling the pipe up.. that's why a wired connection is faster and more reliable.. it is a pipe connected directly to the router, it doesn't share it with any other device. Whereas a WiFi connection is a shared pipe among all the devices.. each device must select or pull it's conversation as it passes by in this one pipe.

A slow DSL connection doesn't use much of the frequency (shared pipe) and so there is less noise.

Now what not be obvious is that your neighbors are operating on the same frequency as you... everyone is. When they all start to get high speed Internet they are flooding the frequency and that is just consuming more of the pipe. It's true that they are further away.. but they since they are using more bandwidth they have more of an influence then in the DSL days over the same frequency.

So WiFi coverage may change over time. As more and more people get high speed Internet they will be competing for the same frequency space. The better routers (like the one we supply) will do a better and better job of filtering as things progress.

WiFi is annoyingly complicated to explain, sorry best I could do.. still a work in progress!

My recommendations are:

1. Hardwire important points.. like to your office computer if you work from home, or your TV,  like me,  is downstairs and across the river.
2. Use good WiFi routers.. if yours is more than 2 years old.. forget it. Junk it. Use the one we supply or better.
3. Get one of the Google Router kits like I talk about in the previous post.. they will truly extend your network. At $229 that is way cheaper then hardwiring..



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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #508 on: Dec 21, 16, 03:50:48 AM »
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Just curious.. how long does each splice of fiber cable take?

Way to long if you are waiting for Fiber!

I will try to get some pics tomorrow.. It is tedious and precise work. That's why no one wants me to do it!

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #509 on: Dec 21, 16, 07:21:18 PM »
We are opening a maintenance window on Wednesday the 21st from 8am to 12pm. The Internet will be down for Section 1 during that time. We are splicing in Section 2 to our main feed. We will not need to do this for subsequent sections however.

11:20am, and no outage happened yet. Is it still going to happen?


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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #510 on: Dec 21, 16, 07:35:08 PM »
11:20am, and no outage happened yet. Is it still going to happen?


It was out at one location I know of on Oriole, east of Spruce, but has been restored.  It was never out at my location near the Community Garden. 

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #511 on: Dec 21, 16, 08:02:12 PM »
I think it is more then that and I think they are on to something.

I bought one of the three packs and played around with it last night and tonight. Works pretty well I would have to say. It has a very easy setup method. You download an app on your phone and that controls everything from the install to the ongoing maintenance. And wow.. automatic firmware updates! Holy smokes, someone besides Apple is thinking about it? This is increasingly important due to routers being pretty easy to hack out.. Automatic updates will prevent mistakes in the code from persisting, this is a mighty good thing.

There is a lot to be said for "easy setup" and while some of us may find a mix of things easy to set up, we've also visited friends and found an amazing mess that has ultimately been bashed into something kind-of workable.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #512 on: Dec 21, 16, 09:30:32 PM »
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11:20am, and no outage happened yet. Is it still going to happen?

Everything has been restored.. some people in section one would not have been affected but our notification system is not quite granular enough for that. It wasn't down to long.. about 2 hours.
But everything is cut over and we now have connectivity feeds to the cabinets in section 2. Almost all the terminals are up and we are moving on with the splicing for section 2.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #513 on: Dec 21, 16, 09:52:57 PM »
Hi Wes,

I read up on the google wifi as I have to plan some better coverage for a customer's office. Found out that you can run the google router in bridge mode but you will lose the mesh networking capability.

Would you have - by any chance - experience with the ubiquity access points? On first glace they also do what google wifi does but you would not need to replace the router.

I have enjoyed the Apple WiFi access points over the years.. I have one at home and at the office in Wrightwood and they are consistently fast. I can get 400 to 600 Mbps out of it if I an reasonably close.. pretty good, but sadly Apple is getting out of that business.

I am about to receive the Google Whole Home Coverage Router package https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MAW2294/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Like a lot of people we have a 2 story home up here and it is hard if not impossible to get the entire house covered with one WiFi. There is always some trade off. I thought I would get one of these packages and try it out. I did run an Ethernet wire to my TV and boy that is just so good.  I am wondering if the Google WiFi can bridge over the Ethernet, that would be nice.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #514 on: Dec 21, 16, 11:03:31 PM »
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Would you have - by any chance - experience with the ubiquity access points?

Yes, we have used both Ubiquiti indoor and outdoor WiFi Access Points. They work very well. You need  PC to set them up.. you can disconnect from it afterwords but you manage it with their Windows App. If you need to admin them remotely you will need to install the app on a PC at the location..

If the goal is many more connections then what a typical home WiFi router can do (about 30 to 40 connections max) then Ubiquiti is a good choice.. They are a step above the residential units. We buy the more expensive $500 ones..

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #515 on: Dec 21, 16, 11:18:48 PM »
They work very well. You need  PC to set them up.. you can disconnect from it afterwords but you manage it with their Windows App.
They have a phone app. that will set up (but not manage) them.  Last time I looked the phone app. was not well publicized.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #516 on: Dec 22, 16, 12:50:15 AM »
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They have a phone app.

If it is bridged I don't see how this would work..

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #517 on: Dec 22, 16, 03:05:17 AM »
If it is bridged I don't see how this would work..
The phone app. needs to see the QR code label on the AP to configure it. 

I'm guessing that the app. uses info in the QR code to connect to some sort of hidden connectivity/API that is only to configure that AP.

I'm only reporting what I've read.  Since I first read about the app. they've added the ability to talk to a UniFi controller.

I think the big difference between what Ubiquiti is doing, and what Google WiFi does is ease of setup. 

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #518 on: Dec 22, 16, 03:43:34 AM »
Oh I misread your post.. Your talking about the Google WiFi.. that's right it uses the QR code to get everything setup. Works pretty good..

I would say they are really two different products.. The Ubiquiti stuff is more of a specialty product that can take many more connections and plus can be configured to shape bandwidth based on user profile.. much more suited to a commercial environment.

Google WiFi is really nifty and I am excited about it because it is clear they have thought about the home user and the problems of covering an entire house with WiFi. I am doubly excited because we at UIA will benefit from these types of easy to use products. It frustrates the user to walk them through some lousy interface over the phone.. difficult and time consuming.

I am liking the Google product more and more. I discovered that I can see how much bandwidth is being used by my network over my phone for example.. neat.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #519 on: Dec 22, 16, 04:19:11 AM »
Oh I misread your post.. Your talking about the Google WiFi.. that's right it uses the QR code to get everything setup. Works pretty good..

I would say they are really two different products.. The Ubiquiti stuff is more of a specialty product that can take many more connections and plus can be configured to shape bandwidth based on user profile.. much more suited to a commercial environment.

Google WiFi is really nifty and I am excited about it because it is clear they have thought about the home user and the problems of covering an entire house with WiFi. I am doubly excited because we at UIA will benefit from these types of easy to use products. It frustrates the user to walk them through some lousy interface over the phone.. difficult and time consuming.

I am liking the Google product more and more. I discovered that I can see how much bandwidth is being used by my network over my phone for example.. neat.

Regards,

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I completely agree that the Google WiFi product and Ubiquiti UniFi are different, and aimed at different markets.

Ubiquiti does have a QR code on the AP and a phone app. can be used to configure a stand-alone AP.  They call that "EasyFi" and they haven't promoted that much as far as I can see.

That said, it's nothing close to the ease-of-setup with Google WiFi.  UniFi is aimed at networking professionals.

I'd have no trouble deploying a UniFi system, but many of my friends would struggle mightily.  I'd expect to invest some time learning the details, and that wouldn't bother me much, but it'd be frustrating as all hell to someone who isn't used to doing netmasks or who doesn't just know the RFC-1918 blocks off the top of their head.

Having something that you can suggest to friends or family, and not become their de-facto technical support is a pretty big deal.