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Offline lagomorphmom

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Cecil the Lion
« on: Jul 29, 15, 01:04:55 PM »
Came across this video today, I think Jimmy says it better than I could have and that some of you might enjoy listening.
And for any "it was just a lion" folks, I'd first say that "sportsmen" don't kill off the best genetic material (including offspring in this case) and second #CaringIsNotACompetition

There is a link to the organization that was studying Cecil and other lions on the video.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/11769870/Jimmy-Kimmel-breaks-down-over-Cecil-the-lion-death.html
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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #1 on: Jul 31, 15, 11:12:20 AM »
What is the fate of one big cat compared with the civil wars and human-rights abuses that fill the headlines -- or should fill the headlines -- every day?

Read more at http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0715/lowry073115.php3#JdAGsleRvkFzJ44X.99

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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #2 on: Jul 31, 15, 12:38:19 PM »
Well "the Hallmarks" .. I guess that humanity can love animals and humans too.  We should all keep working on that. I read a lot of different news outlets.. and I read of all the human-rights abuses. So many of them I can't hardly read them all.
I guess sometimes it just takes a lion that was shot for no other reason than sport .. to refocus us all. We humans and the animals that live among us.. are in this together. .. cheryl o7o

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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #3 on: Jul 31, 15, 01:06:57 PM »
I have to assume the dentist is educated, but I can't fathom an educated person killing for sport. 


I'm for throwing the dentist to the lions and moving on.. 

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Re: Cecil the Lion
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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #5 on: Aug 03, 15, 09:38:05 AM »
Zimbabwe has a 95% unemployment and under employment rate.  One of their main sources of income is offering Big Game hunting to tourist who feel the need to kill big animals for nothing but the sport of it.  This has been going on for decades and many of the animals are killed illegally.  Nothing has changed and the only reason there is such an outcry about Cecil is because of the media coverage.  Personally I'd never even heard of Cecil before the story broke.  Don't get me wrong.  I don't agree with hunting Big Game animals.  My point is that I don't know why this is such media fodder.  It happens all the time.  I heard on the news this morning that 600 lions are killed every year and 3/4 of those are killed by Americans.  It figures.

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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #6 on: Aug 03, 15, 11:48:45 AM »
I know just a tad about the country. At one time farming made a good deal of money. Then the governance that is in place now came along saying that they would be more equitable. Then the new folks kicked the farmers with skills and knowledge out of the country. Now the farms are not farms and produce precious little. So this is what is left. A very wealthy few, a poverty stricken populous, and a high need to sell almost anything including the national wealth. Banana republics aren't just in the jungles anymore.

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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #7 on: Aug 03, 15, 12:23:45 PM »
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A very wealthy few, a poverty stricken populous,

Sounds like Mexico 


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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #8 on: Aug 03, 15, 04:24:36 PM »
Zimbabwe has a 95% unemployment and under employment rate.  One of their main sources of income is offering Big Game hunting to tourist who feel the need to kill big animals for nothing but the sport of it.  This has been going on for decades and many of the animals are killed illegally.  Nothing has changed and the only reason there is such an outcry about Cecil is because of the media coverage.  Personally I'd never even heard of Cecil before the story broke.  Don't get me wrong.  I don't agree with hunting Big Game animals.  My point is that I don't know why this is such media fodder.  It happens all the time.  I heard on the news this morning that 600 lions are killed every year and 3/4 of those are killed by Americans.  It figures.

My mom used to ask me "if the other kids wanted to jump off of a bridge, would you?"

Doesn't matter that it's been done for a long time or the country is poor. Numbers are getting d@mn short firstly and secondly these "trophy" hunters are only interested in killing the best genetic stock, not the weak and ill as happens in nature when predators hunt. As "Elite Sport Hunters" they should be working with the countries to better sustain these creatures and their own livelihoods hand-in-hand, e.g. Ducks Unlimited (if they are not a perfect example, sorry, but you get my drift).

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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #9 on: Aug 09, 15, 11:31:50 AM »
I always find it amusing that most people care more for this lion than they do to the humans who are being killed daily.  And on a side note why does no one bother to care of all the other innocent animals that this lion has killed?  I'm sure it has killed some babies and left others orphaned.  See what I'm getting at you can spin this anyway you want.  nothing more than media hype pushing their agenda

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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #10 on: Aug 09, 15, 03:28:57 PM »
Who cares about media agenda, the fact is the lion population is vulnerable and shouldn't be hunted at all.  I don't get this whole why worry about lions when people are killed every day, it shouldn't be an either or thing, we should be concerned with life in general.

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Re: Cecil the Lion
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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #12 on: Aug 10, 15, 09:01:22 AM »
Speedracer... Thanks for that very relevant link. I agree with that perspective. cheryl o7o

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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #13 on: Aug 10, 15, 06:19:38 PM »
I always find it amusing that most people care more for this lion than they do to the humans who are being killed daily. 

Can't say I'm amused. First of all, and again, I don't know why caring should be considered a competition and I don't understand why some people don't care at all. Yes, this was one lion, but we're at the point that losing genetic material is important.

This National Geographic link is a real eye opener.
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/big-cats-initiative/lion-decline-map/
Don't just look at the numbers on the video map, check out how the lion terrain is shrinking. Here's some figures:

Est. African lion count worldwide
1940's     450,000
1960's     200,000
1980's     100,000
1990's      50,000
2000's      20,000

Even if the early figures are overestimated and the newer ones, which I would expect to be more accurate, are underestimated, I find this incredibly shocking. Not just for the lions but all of the other species that they represent by habitat loss. I try to look at the positive side of everything, but I see nothing good about where these figures are going, nor the limited efforts to correct the decline.

Btw, the recent halt to lion hunting in Zimbabwe has been lifted - they were afraid that it would encourage poaching and, of course, they were losing trophy "hunter" money.

And then there's the African elephant and the rhinoceros, maybe we could care instead about putting money into getting viagra in the drinking water worldwide so trophies and tusks become not such a big deal.

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Re: Cecil the Lion
« Reply #14 on: Aug 11, 15, 01:14:45 PM »
I agree that caring is not a competition.
Caring about one thing in no way impacts caring about something else.
"Caring" is not a finite emotion.
I care about a lot of issues, involving humans and non-humans, including trophy hunting.