Author Topic: WCSD Notice of Public Hearing - August 3, 2017 (Read 84164 times)

Wrightwood · « **Reply #2 on:** Aug 03, 17, 02:09:28 AM »

Resolution No. 2017-2 - Solid Waste Collection LA County

Resolution No. 2017-3 - Solid Wast Collection San Bernardino County

Cheapskate · « **Reply #3 on:** Aug 03, 17, 04:46:58 AM »

So...am I reading this correctly: after public comment, blah blah, the WWCSD Board can impose a tax on our LA neighbors? When the collective "we" approved the CSD we gave them taxing power?

lynnc · « **Reply #4 on:** Aug 03, 17, 02:06:47 PM »

You are not reading this correctly. It is just the opposite. LA County residents will get dump cards from San Bernardino County even though their property tax "slice" for that will still go to LA County. That will be paid for out of the CSD budget.

Cheapskate · « **Reply #5 on:** Aug 03, 17, 02:48:00 PM »

Thanks for that explanation!

thehallmarks · « **Reply #6 on:** Aug 03, 17, 06:10:59 PM »

LA County residents will get dump cards from San Bernardino County even though their property tax "slice" for that will still go to LA County. That will be paid for out of the CSD budget.

Then can I get the CSD to pay for my 4 dump card fees also?

Bob C · « **Reply #7 on:** Aug 03, 17, 07:46:28 PM »

Are you sure about LA County getting the money from LA, and not the CSD?

cdragonfly · « **Reply #8 on:** Aug 03, 17, 10:15:48 PM »

I need it explained to me, clearly, why we residents of SB County, are footing the dumpcard costs for LA County residents. Also, at about $85.00 per LA household, how much does this add up to? This makes no sense to me. Someone, please explain this!

thehallmarks · « **Reply #9 on:** Aug 03, 17, 10:17:16 PM »

I thought the issue was to get LA cty to put the fee on the tax role for the parcels now a part of the WW CSD and send the funds to the CSD.
I also heard--early in the formation of the CSD that the County Supervisor for that area was refusing to cooperate! Something to the effect, I'm not going to collect a tax/fee on my constituents and send to $$ to another cty.

Bob C · « **Reply #10 on:** Aug 03, 17, 11:41:38 PM »

This has gone through several "versions"...

Early on, the CSD candidates were suggesting that they issue the cards for SB County residents (Mandatory), and "optionally" allow LA County residents to purchase cards (no property tax assessment).

The latest *I* heard was that yes, LA County was able to put a local tax on LA County property taxes, which I assumed also meant they would send that money to the CSD.

I'm not happy about this tax anyway, but have paid it every year I've lived here. I don't use the dump, so it's just $85 profit for the county. Every time you use the dump, the dump "charges" the county a fee. That fee comes out of the $85. If you never use your dump card, the county (now CSD) would pocket that money.

I don't like it being mandatory for SB County residents. It would also be very unfair if it was an "optional" thing for LA County residents. If it's optional for them, it should be optional for us in SB County. And if the CSD does not get money from LA County, then this is completely unfair.

The only way this works, is that it's mandatory for all, and the CSD gets the money, or its optional for all.

lynnc · « **Reply #11 on:** Aug 04, 17, 12:50:13 AM »

I'm not sure anymore of the final resolution. I suggest going to the meeting tonight for details!

Wrightwood · « **Reply #12 on:** Aug 04, 17, 04:01:25 AM »

Audio from meeting:
http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/CSD/WCSD.8.3.17.MP3

Ultimate Internet Access · « **Reply #13 on:** Aug 04, 17, 04:52:05 AM »

I should have posted earlier but I just ran out of time today;

It was agreed tonight by the board to extend the hearing to August 7th. The issue is that we need to find out from LAFCO if voting no on the LA County Dump Fee Resolution would affect the CSD in some negative way.

There is a deadline of August 10th in which to approve the resolution and give it to LA County.

If voting no on the resolution for imposing a tax on the LA County residents does not affect the CSD in LAFCO's eyes then I think several board members are inclined to vote that way.
I myself am a bit conflicted. On the one hand I don't like the LA residents paying an additional fee and LA County not giving it back to the CSD. On the other hand I think it unfair as well that LA County Residents pay zero towards the Community Building, the grounds, the Museum, or really any of the other facilities that the CSD is in charge of in our nice little town, which just so happens to be in both Counties. I can understand why they feel a bit ripped off since LA County just seems to tax LA County residents and give nothing back.

The whole idea of incorporating LA County into the CSD was to make it one place instead of a town split in two.

It would be nice to have LA County give the CSD part of the money they already collect. But that battle will have to wait until until after San Bernardino County gives us the money that is rightfully ours, which will take time and persistence. All normal and expected.

Regards,

--Wes

Bob C · « **Reply #14 on:** Aug 04, 17, 05:00:38 AM »

Not all SB county residents are happy about being forced to pay this fee either!

Wrightwood · « **Reply #15 on:** Aug 04, 17, 03:31:57 PM »

Maybe someone could post a typical LA County tax bill showing the solid waste line item.

Here's what a 2016-2017 SB County bill

Ultimate Internet Access · « **Reply #16 on:** Aug 04, 17, 11:15:11 PM »

I have done some more research and according to LA County there is no solid waste fee for residential LA County residents. There is one for commercial businesses for around $35. in LA County however.

Regards,

--Wes'

lynnc · « **Reply #17 on:** Aug 05, 17, 05:03:31 AM »

If voting no on the resolution for imposing a tax on the LA County residents does not affect the CSD in LAFCO's eyes then I think several board members are inclined to vote that way.
I myself am a bit conflicted. On the one hand I don't like the LA residents paying an additional fee and LA County not giving it back to the CSD. On the other hand I think it unfair as well that LA County Residents pay zero towards the Community Building, the grounds, the Museum, or really any of the other facilities that the CSD is in charge of in our nice little town, which just so happens to be in both Counties. I can understand why they feel a bit ripped off since LA County just seems to tax LA County residents and give nothing back.

Wes and board, please keep in mind that one of the promises of the CSD was to offer the LA County residents dump cards. They have been neglected for a long time and this is a fairly minor fee. And it was in the proposed budget. (I don't live on the LA County side - I just think you need to take them into consideration)

tcaarabians · « **Reply #18 on:** Aug 05, 17, 05:58:48 AM »

Well,since I can't sleep.. I thought I'd chime in.

The SBC tax bill that Wrightwood posted doesn't add up to me. The $1813 tax levy and the other charges do not add up to the $1937 total taxes owed. Perhaps a page is missing? Whatever, it doesn't matter because the focus here is the dump fee.

The $85.14 is what we here in SBC pay for the privilege to use the dump four times a month. I always found it to be a cultural experience when I used the dump. I now have two CR&R accounts. One for the house trash and one for the horses. I'm old now and I like convenience. I haven't used my dump card in years. That is ok with me.

A thought for those of you that don't like to pay the dump fee on your tax bill: What if that went away and it was all voluntary? Would the desert and our neighborhoods become even more strewn with trash? Just thinking here.

I do think the issue of whether LA County residents in the WWCSD will have an added bill for dump use or whether the County of L.A. will be transferring funds to the WWCSD is an issue to be resolved. I'm sure that will happen.

Wes.. The fact that L.A. County residents don't have their taxes go towards the community building, the museum, etc. is an argument that doesn't hold water. All the WW visitors that come annually don't contribute either. The L.A. County residents of the Wrightwood area are not some poor cousins. They are part of the community here. That is why they were included in the WWCSD proposal. LynnC is right.

The CSD has hired a new manager/executive director/whatever title. I'm sure he will be forthcoming with information on these issues once he is on board. And, it does sound like your Board is focused on this issue and the fairness for the L.A.side property owners of WW.

A new entity like the WWCSD does need a smidge of time to get up and running. In the meantime, I think all questions are good questions. cheryl o7o

Bob C · « **Reply #19 on:** Aug 05, 17, 06:43:55 AM »

Quote from: tcaarabians on Aug 05, 17, 05:58:48 AM

A thought for those of you that don't like to pay the dump fee on your tax bill: What if that went away and it was all voluntary? Would the desert and our neighborhoods become even more strewn with trash? Just thinking here.

This fee is more about being a money maker.

If the intent was to reduce illegal dumping, then the solution is simple: prove you have trash service or you get assessed the dump fee

Author Topic: WCSD Notice of Public Hearing - August 3, 2017 (Read 84164 times)

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