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New Dump Cards being Issued by WW CSD
« on: Sep 29, 17, 11:35:34 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 29, 17, 12:09:35 PM »
We are getting all the new Dump Cards in the mail as I write this.  They are completely new cards. A few comments below;

1. The old County issued dump cards will not work and will not be accepted after September 30th.
2. We are using data supplied by the County. It could have been maintained better but we will can correct addresses and names as we go.
3. The CSD does have the ability to make these cards on demand as we have our own card printer. dumpcards@wrightwoodcsd.org
4. LA County residents will get their cards. BTW LA County was very helpful and friendly throughout the process of getting us the mailing addresses and parcel addresses on a very short deadline.
5. As stated before the data was not well maintained and there were several physical addresses in the database where there should have been a mailing address for example.
6. If you don't get a dump card by 9th (allowing for postal mail delivery), then send an email to dumpcards@wrightwoodcsd.org and we can correct the data and make you a new one quickly.
7. This is our first shot at this so there are bound to be mistakes as we were in a hurry to meet the County's deadline of October 1st. We very much appreciate your patience as we work through the process.

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« Reply #2 on: Sep 29, 17, 12:22:25 PM »
Thankful I have a dumpster.

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« Reply #3 on: Nov 10, 17, 05:16:56 PM »
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Hi all, in response to some posts here, I'd like to take a few minutes to reply and clarify again what is going on regarding trash. There're a lot of rumors, some completely false accusations, more than a few misunderstandings, and a few inaccuracies regarding trash especially, in regards to your CSD. So I'll try an answer some questions that have come up.

I try to be forthcoming, informative, and helpful regarding posts, but I can't always see them. Some people have me blocked on a particular post, and that's fine, so it's really great when others join in on stating the facts about the "new" rules for trash here in Wrightwood. In reality, there really aren't any "new" dump rules, but an enforcement of the old ones and a new procedure to two perhaps, but not new rules. I thought I'd start this thread to address some of the questions.

How much do we pay for the dump?

As others have pointed out, if you have questions about dump fees etc, please read the article in the Mountaineer Progress this week. Basically folks, we each pay $85 per year per developed parcel to use the dump. That's it. Frankly, I personally thought we each paid a lot more than that. Before I knew the dollar amount, I had no idea it was so low. I would have said we each pay hundreds of dollars as a guess. I had to actually pull my tax receipt out and verify it because I didn't believe it.

I used to be so irritated when I went to the dump and they made me pay for tile I was ripping out of my bathroom, or old tires etc because "I pay my taxes, I should get to use it how I want to use it!" But the facts of the matter are that we pay about a $1.00 per week to use the dump for regular, household waste. That's a pretty good deal.

So that $85 per developed parcel has to go REALLY far to accommodate a town for a whole year. So yes, the rules, as laid out by the state and the county, have to be enforced now so that we don't go over our budget. The rule was always one time per week for regular household waste. Go back and look at your letter that came with the old dump card. It was always one time per week, up to 500 lbs for regular household waste. No remodeling waste, no contracting waste, no business waste.

Why can't I go to the dump as much as I used to?

Now, when we became a CSD on July 1st, the county left us very little money to run our CSD until the new tax money dispursement comes in. So for a little more than $1.00 per week, you get to use the dump for up to 500 lbs of private household trash dumping. That's your basic food wrappers, paper plates, food waste, dog poo etc. That is not renovation waste such as tile, drywall, wood; not remodeling waste, and not contracting. This is exactly the same as it always was. Granted, the dump used to allow you to go back and use a previous unpunched week, and mostly because the scale didn't work, they didn't weigh you but "guessed" how much you were taking in. However, the CSD cannot allow that anymore because it was being abused, for the most part, by contractors. Contractors were using it to dump their remodeling waste at taxpayer expense instead of building it into their quote and paying for it. The county did keep records on what each dump card took to the dump, so it is documented that some individuals were dumping literal TONS of trash each week on a private dump card meant for household waste. That just can't be allowed any more. If you would like to see how much trash you took per week, Wes would be happy to give you that figure if you are curious.

I need to clean my yard so I don't get a fine, so how do I do a clean up if I can't take pine needles?

Pine needles and other yard waste can be taken more than 1 time per week, up to 52 times per year in a regular full tax year allotment. However, since the CSD didn't have a full year of jurisdiction for this year, you can take your pine needle waste up to the remaining 13 times that were left in this year at the time of the agreement. I hope that makes sense. If you want to use your 13 times in one week FOR PINE NEEDLE REMOVAL ONLY, you can. The CSD did allow for multiple trips of pine needle removal in a week as that is a job that tends to be a job people do all at once....a big clean up of the yard done on a Saturday for example.

Now, to keep reduce the amount of pine needles put into the dump, as mandated by the state, the CSD will be arranging more pine needle clean up weekends, where we can take them and drop them off in town at the lot next to the post office. Currently, it's been only that one time per year in the spring. But there will be 3 in the coming year I believe. This way, we as a community aren't charged for them at the landfill. They will be recycled and used at Mt. High, or taken to be turned into mulch, and it is so much easier to take them by the load in town instead of taking them to the dump. This is an IMPROVEMENT in your services. This is one example of what was done with the awesome cooperation of Brent at C R and R who has gone above and beyond to make suggestions, and to offer services that they county could have had, but never taken advantage of.

Another example, C R and R now empties the trash cans at the park instead of the CSD paying an employee to do it. This is saving YOU, a Wrightwood property owner, money. It is allowing the CSD board, who are your neighbors, and your friends, to stretch your tax dollars. This service was offered to the county many times by C R and R, but the county never took advantage of it and the county paid an employee to do it. Mostly this was because there really wasn't a local representative to say 'Yes, we'd love it if C R and R would pick up the trash at the park on your runs.' So now, by having regular communication with C R and R, the CSD is working together with them to reduce what goes into the landfill, as required by the state, and to save us money as tax payers.

I have too much trash this week. So what if it's more than 500 lbs?

If you need to go to the dump more than once per week for regular household waste - not remodeling waste, not carpet, not private contracting waste, you still CAN go to the dump more than once per week, but you have to pay for that additional load. Say for example that you are cleaning out a house that was in the family, but is now being sold. You need to get rid of the figurines, the avocado curtains and the seventies clothing that remained in the house that no one in the family wanted. You can still take that to the dump, but after your 1 time per week allotment, you will have to pay for the load. You can still use the dump, but you have to pay the fee per pound. The cost is .03 per pound. So the first load of that week up to 500 lbs of regular household waste would be punched on your dump card, but the additional loads would be .03 per pound. They will weigh you in and out so you have an exact measurement. No more guessing.

But I am busting out a wall, how do I get rid of this remodeling waste?

If you are remodeling a house, or are a contractor, or have a business, you can still use the dump. But you have to pay for that waste because it is not covered under "regular household waste". The county doesn't assess business parcels the $85 per year for dump services. A business should either have a dumpster for trash, or pay when they go to the dump.

ONE VERY IMPORTANT CHANGE

The only other important, and also irritating difference in trash enforcement is that you can't take regular household waste and green waste at the same time. Unfortunately, that's because they county scales and computers are not sophisticated enough to let the load be separated. So if you are taking a bunch of pine needles, you'll have to take it on a separate run from regular household waste so your don't go over the 500 lb limit. It's very annoying and unfortunate. The CSD tried to get around that issue, but ultimately, the county just does not have the computer system to accommodate it. It is an inconvenience for sure. Hopefully it will be fixed in the future.

It takes a long time now to be weighed and out

If you are experiencing delays at the dump while taking the trash, I have found personally, that a great way to avoid a long line at the dump is to go late in the afternoon on Saturday. For some reason, the line at the dump is very long in the mornings, and has almost no wait in the afternoons. You can dash in and out after 2 or so on Saturdays.

What will happen to the money that the CSD saves by enforcing the rules?

The money saved by not allowing the abuse of the dump cards will mean more money goes into the general budget for the town. We can do improvements to the parks, and the community buildings. We can have better cleanups for snow play season. In short, it's not been decided, but it will be in the general fund for the town, to be decided by the town. No money goes for salary for any board member. They are all serving without pay.

I hope that clarifies what is going on with regards to the CSD and trash. By taking on this power, we have voted our friends and neighbors to make decisions that are sometimes unpopular. They aren't a nameless faceless group of bureaucrats. They honestly are your neighbors, your fellow church members, and your friends. No one likes a budget. But if we are to have local representation, and a say in how we want to run our town, we have to live within our means. And by enforcing the rules that have always been in place, we can do that. And local representation means we will not be bullied and neglected by the county, but have our own priorities.

Again, please come to the meetings and see what is really happening with your tax dollars. There is always a public commentary portion of the meeting where you can have your say. The board would like to hear your feedback and concerns. You can also email at dumpcards@wrightwoodcsd.org on this issue specifically.

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« Reply #4 on: Nov 11, 17, 08:40:25 AM »
That's a good explanation and answers most of my questions, thank you!

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« Reply #5 on: Nov 11, 17, 09:57:34 AM »
A buck a week sounds like a great deal. I average 2 trips to the dump per year, so my trips to the dump cost $42.72 each. I mostly take my one 13 gallon bag to my Moms house and throw it away there.

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« Reply #6 on: Nov 11, 17, 12:25:10 PM »
I haven't used my dup card -- county or the new one.

I'm okay pitching in if it means trash goes to the dump and not into the forest or along the side of the road.

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« Reply #7 on: Nov 11, 17, 03:40:37 PM »
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I haven't used my dup card -- county or the new one.

Just to be clear, because it was a surprise to me as well..

If you have CR&R you end up using it 52 times in a year. They only transport it for you.. the assessment of $85 bucks covers the actual dumping whether you take it there or CR&R does.

Regards,

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« Reply #8 on: Nov 11, 17, 08:40:14 PM »
Just to be clear, because it was a surprise to me as well..

If you have CR&R you end up using it 52 times in a year. They only transport it for you.. the assessment of $85 bucks covers the actual dumping whether you take it there or CR&R does.

Regards,

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This does make sense -- thanks!

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« Reply #9 on: Nov 15, 17, 08:35:32 AM »
Just to be clear, because it was a surprise to me as well..

If you have CR&R you end up using it 52 times in a year. They only transport it for you.. the assessment of $85 bucks covers the actual dumping whether you take it there or CR&R does.

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Yes, you pay the 85 bucks no matter what. If you want your trash picked up at your house, that's extra. The thing that erks me is that I use the card a couple of times a year and now if my load is over 500 lbs, I will need to pay more on top of the $42.72 I already paid for the trip. This will not keep people from dumping out in the desert/forest, but will probably cause more of it.

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« Reply #10 on: Nov 15, 17, 09:33:47 AM »
so, does everyone get a dump card even if they have CR&R pick up their trash? 

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« Reply #11 on: Nov 15, 17, 09:44:13 AM »
Yes, you pay the 85 bucks no matter what. If you want your trash picked up at your house, that's extra. The thing that erks me is that I use the card a couple of times a year and now if my load is over 500 lbs, I will need to pay more on top of the $42.72 I already paid for the trip. This will not keep people from dumping out in the desert/forest, but will probably cause more of it.

I may be entirely wrong on this, but it seems to me that the problem is one of accounting.

The county sets the dump fee at $85, and collects that for the CSD.

The county then bills the CSD for what we actually use.

Leaving the CSD to cover the overage -- and ultimately, that hurts those who live in the CSD.

If the county decides that protecting the desert (which lies outside the CSD) is important, then the county needs to change the accounting (or police the desert for illegal dumping).

I'm in favor of that change with the county, but until then, this is what we've got.

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 15, 17, 01:55:31 PM »
lwt42:   I'm in the pphcsd. It works the same way for us. I'm one of those people that never uses my dump card.  I believe that is true for a lot of folks. They fall somewhere between never and seldom.  There has always been an overage not a balance due that goes to the CSD. The estimates for that were likely in the LAFCO budget that was submitted to establish the WCSD.  (Course, after reading the Publisher's Opinion in the last Mountaineer Progress, there seems to be some questions about the WCSD budget assumptions as prepared by LAFCO.)

AvocadoFlyer:  Yes, you receive a dump card regardless if you use CR&R for home pickup.

I believe there are various agencies at the county, state and federal level that police illegal dumping. There are never enough resources to address that problem.  cheryl o7o

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« Reply #13 on: Nov 15, 17, 02:49:26 PM »
lwt42:   I'm in the pphcsd. It works the same way for us. I'm one of those people that never uses my dump card.  I believe that is true for a lot of folks. They fall somewhere between never and seldom.  There has always been an overage not a balance due that goes to the CSD. The estimates for that were likely in the LAFCO budget that was submitted to establish the WCSD.  (Course, after reading the Publisher's Opinion in the last Mountaineer Progress, there seems to be some questions about the WCSD budget assumptions as prepared by LAFCO.)
I haven't asked the right questions or reviewed the books, so I'm not going to assume.  That's why I started with a disclaimer.

What I've seen is that the Wrightwood CSD gets $85 per resident, and issues dump cards.  The dump charges the CSD per-pound, which pretty much guarantees that there will be a surplus, or a deficit.  As a taxpayer I pay for apples, and the CSD has to pay for something entirely different.

Wes did explain that those of us using CR&R are paying CR&R to take our trash to the dump, and the $85 pays for the transfer station and the landfill.

I know a bit about the LAFCO, and their budget estimates are estimates.  The WCSD board has the advantage of seeing some real numbers.  It's also early.  Things may look very different when the WCSD has had a year or two to operate.

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« Reply #14 on: Nov 15, 17, 03:55:00 PM »

Wes did explain that those of us using CR&R are paying CR&R to take our trash to the dump, and the $85 pays for the transfer station and the landfill.


Unless things have changed more than I understand, if you have CR&R pick up your trash, you are paying a fee for a trash container, pick up and delivery to the dump. The card is something every home owner pays for along with property taxes and has no effect on your CR&R account, if you have one.
The dump card is for people who don't want to pay CR&R to pick up their trash. If there really are many people who don't use their cards, then the county (or whoever gets the $85.00) is raking in the bucks for doing nothing and providing nothing.
A more fair system would be to either take into consideration that we only use our dump card a couple times a year and wave fees for loads over 500 lbs (to an extent) or let people opt out of the $85.00 annual tax, and let them pay for dumping as needed on a per pound basis.

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« Reply #15 on: Nov 15, 17, 05:09:41 PM »
Unless things have changed more than I understand, if you have CR&R pick up your trash, you are paying a fee for a trash container, pick up and delivery to the dump. The card is something every home owner pays for along with property taxes and has no effect on your CR&R account, if you have one.
The dump card is for people who don't want to pay CR&R to pick up their trash. If there really are many people who don't use their cards, then the county (or whoever gets the $85.00) is raking in the bucks for doing nothing and providing nothing.
A more fair system would be to either take into consideration that we only use our dump card a couple times a year and wave fees for loads over 500 lbs (to an extent) or let people opt out of the $85.00 annual tax, and let them pay for dumping as needed on a per pound basis.

This is what Wes said on the subject:

Just to be clear, because it was a surprise to me as well..

If you have CR&R you end up using it 52 times in a year. They only transport it for you.. the assessment of $85 bucks covers the actual dumping whether you take it there or CR&R does.

Regards,

--Wes

On my tax bill, this shows as "*CO LAND USE - SWM  760-530-4919"

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« Reply #16 on: Nov 16, 17, 06:35:49 AM »
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Wes did explain that those of us using CR&R are paying CR&R to take our trash to the dump, and the $85 pays for the transfer station and the landfill.

That's right.

If for example there were no direct tax assessment of $85 then CR&R would have to raise their prices to cover the landfill dump fees.

Regards,

--Wes

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« Reply #17 on: Nov 16, 17, 07:05:44 AM »
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If there really are many people who don't use their cards, then the county (or whoever gets the $85.00) is raking in the bucks for doing nothing and providing nothing.
The nature of taxes is that some people use it a lot and some not so much.

The assessment is designed for once a week normal household waste. CR&R has about 1600 customers or so in WW and the average weight varies from 145 lbs per household to 200 lbs a month. Lets take the high end and say that is 50lbs per week. It's about 3 cents a pound so that is 1.50 x 4 = $6.00 per week in normal household waste. $6.00 per month x 12 months is $72. That leaves $13.

That is just the CR&R side.. if those same people use their dump card (and they do) then it can get upside down pretty fast. If like the County did, we allow contractors to use the dump card as free dumping for their commercial jobs it really gets out of hand in a hurry. I don't think that it's fair to the other tax payers to subsidize businesses in this way.

I only say this because I have the data and it stood out pretty clearly that the existing controls that the County had in their letter that was included with all dump cards in years past, needed to be enforced.

Below is an example;

The name and address are not included. But this is one dump card keep in mind..

Date                 Tons Pounds   Fee
07/01/2017   0.36   720       21.5784
07/10/2017   1.62   3240       97.1028
07/10/2017   0.37   740       22.1778
07/11/2017   0.75   1500       44.955
07/12/2017   0.81   1620       48.5514
07/18/2017   0.81   1620       48.5514
07/19/2017   0.98   1960       58.7412
07/20/2017   0.45   900       26.973
07/21/2017   0.59   1180       35.3646
07/25/2017   0.32   640       19.1808
07/25/2017   0.35   700       20.979
07/27/2017   0.4   800       23.976
08/07/2017   0.88   1760       52.7472
08/10/2017   0.81   1620       48.5514
08/11/2017   1.14   2280       68.3316
08/11/2017   0.38   760       22.7772
08/18/2017   0.94   1880       56.3436
08/21/2017   1.12   2240       67.1328
08/22/2017   1.61   3220       96.5034
08/24/2017   0.26   520       15.5844
09/05/2017   0.72   1440       43.16
09/13/2017   0.19   380       11.39

That is 31,720 lbs.. at a price of $950.65 - that is really stretching that $85 bucks to say the least.

Obviously this is not legitimate Household waste at a 200 lb per month average.

While it is true that the goal is to have money left over I don't know if it would be so much that the WCSD will need a rake.
But whatever money is left, does come back to the community, whereas before it just went to the County and was never included in the CSA-56 budget for WW.
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Regards,

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« Reply #18 on: Nov 16, 17, 10:42:53 AM »
That's right.

If for example there were no direct tax assessment of $85 then CR&R would have to raise their prices to cover the landfill dump fees.

Regards,

--Wes

I have no problem paying the 85 for the "greater good". But if you only get your card punched a couple of times a year, they should wave extra cost for being over 500 lbs. If I were to go 2x each month with 500# I'd be leaving 12000# of trash per year. If I go 2X a year and bring 1000#, that comes out to 10K# less than my annual limit. Why should I have to pay extra for these 2 dumpings that come out to be WAY less than my annual amount of 12K#?

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« Reply #19 on: Nov 16, 17, 02:53:39 PM »

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Why should I have to pay extra for these 2 dumpings that come out to be WAY less than my annual amount of 12K#?

Because the State requires that you remove trash from your house once per week. The limit is 500 lbs each time but in reality if it is normal household waste it should be far less then that. 50 lbs is about right according to the numbers I see for all of last year. We use the limit to try and accommodate the Green Waste (pine needles and leaves) which could come out close to the limit or even above depending on a persons yard. But if someone were to hit the limit every week I would say it is commercial and not residential at all, which is expressly prohibited.

Regards,

--Wes