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Offline Wrightwood

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I was getting pretty smelly there for a little while. Thanks for the clarification.

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From time to time I visit Palm Springs and surrounding communities.   I see well watered lawns everywhere so I find the claims of water shortages rather "miff-ful" to say the least.   >:(

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Offline Moose

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If California can not support the infrastructure which includes more water usage,  STOP building, and STOP forcing residents that are already conserving to conserve more while promoting more building that requires more water usage.  Very simple.

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We're in an interesting spot here in Wrightwood because our water comes from right here -- we don't import water from Northern California or the Colorado river.

That said, water politics is and always has been baroque, ever since the Colorado River Compact of 1922.

It's best to go and read the actual bill and see what it actually says.  Since it's written by lawyers and bureaucrats, best to read it more than once.

55 gallons per day is 2.2 CCF per month. 

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Sometimes I regret chiming in but I do have some insight here. I work for a water district. Some of the concepts in this bill are so drenched in water industry parlance that it's easy to be confused/deceived. Water districts allocate a certain amount of water to a household that is designated as "indoor" water. No we don't have a separate meter that can tell us how much of your usage was indoors. It's simply an up front portion of water that is charged at a different rate (usually less) than the remainder of the water you use. So you get assigned 2.2 ccf of water usage per person, per month that will be charged at the indoor rate (ex. $1.75/ccf). Any water you consume beyond that will be considered outdoor usage and will be charged at a different rate (ex. $3.25/ccf). Some districts even have another tier above outdoor that is often considered wasteful usage and is charged at an even higher premium rate (ex. $5.00/ccf). As it stands, water districts are allowed to set the indoor allocation how ever they want based on a number of factors. This bill forces water districts to set the indoor allocation to 55g/day (2.2 ccf over a month). Doesn't seem like a big deal? Just remember that the only tool a water district has to force you to reduce consumption is it's rate structure. If water is cheap, we use it without a thought. I hate to say, but most people can't be bothered to conserve water at all unless it hits them in the pocket book.

Regarding the seemingly wasteful habits of some in other communities... yup. We like to think that moral shaming has some power over people but it really doesn't. Those green lawns you see in the desert are VERY expensive green lawns. If someone is willing to pay $1000 a month to maintain a putting green in 110 degree heat, we don't really have a way to stop them. As it stands, the water quality from the Colorado and from up north are becoming more questionable, requiring higher degrees of treatment. We are overdrafting basically every groundwater table (including in Wrightwood) in the state. And yes, they are continuing to build homes. All I can say is that where I work, we are pressed from all sides trying to establish current and future sources of water. The state can change delivery agreements with little or no notice. The logistics of the larger water infrastructure prevents some water sources from even being deliverable to all organizations that need it. It's a crazy web, and then enter the politicians. That speaks for itself.

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They just ask. Honor system. Some agencies don't do it yet and will need to start.

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I believe we're in the South Lahontan District. Hard to tell from the maps as the line runs through the National Forest. So, some of you could be in the South Coast region.

Pretty sure in this context "water district" means water company.

For some that's probably the Phelan-Pinion Hills CSD, Some get their water from Sheep Creek (not sure their full name) and in Wrightwood it's the Golden State Water Company.

As I read the text of the bill, it's this organization that will pay $1000/day for being out of compliance. 

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lwt42... I agree with you. The state board is broken down into "districts." There are numerous water companies within those districts. 

I was referring to the charts that were posted earlier in this thread. It looks like most of this area and its three water companies are in the South Lahontan District. There's one chart that shows the usage for this area. There's another chart/map on the state site that shows this district use declined more than the So. Coast District 2013/14 to 2016. But, our use here per capita, like most inland districts, is higher than the coastal districts.


We have horses and more than average landscaping. My water bill is already in the "ouch zone" rate. Our year-over-year use is down. This bill and its rollout is of high interest to me. cheryl o7o

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lwt42... I agree with you. The state board is broken down into "districts." There are numerous water companies within those districts. 
I'm talking about the organization that supplies water -- the people who send you a water bill.  Those are often "districts" although they can be companies or departments of another entity.
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We have horses and more than average landscaping.
I would think you'd qualify for agricultural rates for at least part of your bill.

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The last state conservation mandate did not make allowances for livestock. I haven't read this new one yet. I will.  Thanks to everyone that has shared in this thread. Cheryl o7o

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I'll stir this up a bit more. For this, I need to put my ratepayer hat on. Some of you might remember Prop 218 from 1996. If you don't, it was a constitutional amendment to the CA state constitution that created the requirement that new taxes be voted on by the people that would end up being taxed. Part of that amendment (which is the 13th amendment to the CA state constitution), states that "fees" for services cannot be assessed on a property beyond the actual costs incurred by the provider (Article XIII D, section 6, subdivision (b)(3) of the California Constitution). In other words, if I'm a public entity or utility, I can't charge you $20 for something that cost me $10 to deliver to you. That would be a profit, and that would be a no no. In the appeals case of Capistrano Taxpayer Association Inc. V City of San Juan Capistrano the court ruled in favor of the Capistrano Taxpayers Association Inc. and determined that the City of San Juan Capistrano was in violation of Prop 218 mandates by charging a higher rate for water because of the drought. The water didn't cost the city any more to provide. They were using the increased rates to encourage conservation. Now what do we do with THIS information? I pressed my old water company for months on this and ended up being told that the governor had issued a state of emergency so they could do whatever it took to drive down usage.  You could get a class action going like the Capistrano Taxpayers Association did but that took months and the original court ruling was not in their favor. They had to go to an appeals court.