Local Hunting

[TheSandman]

indeed he does.

i once tried out for a running back position in the nfl but they told me i'd ruin the game.  final scores of 717-10 wouldn't fly with the fans.





 

[wwpt]

 

    Now that's dedication....and a good set of wheels..
 
 

[wwpt]

 
   Last time I checked, the beef herds for food were self sustaining and growing...no problems there.
 
  Around the 1970's, A red flag alert was implemented in California annd a number of other areas that there were many species about to be decimated, extinct from ever roaming our Mountains again if something wasn't done quickly. As a person that enjoys nature and has been going to the San Gabriels for decades - I wanted my kids to be able to see a deer or a bear firsthand and experience the Mountains as my forefathers did. 
 
   I believe it is all of our responsibility to our children.

   Everytime I hear one of those rifle shots in October up here, I think of one less animal to be preserved in this  dwindling and delicate ecosystem of ours. 
 
    The only place that should be open  for Hunters in 21st Century California is at Knotts Berry Farm, Shooting the never-ending string of Ducks in the Arcade.

[ocgal]

Hunting a sport?  Intelligent humans on quads, with G.P.S. , infrared high powered rifles with scopes, walkies etc. etc., versus a dumb defenseless animal.  Go out there with only a knife and you'll get my respect. And since when did the markets run out of fresh meat!! 

While I personally buy my meat at the market- I wouldn't call it "fresh"...animals raised in captivity to be eaten often times are given growth hormones.  As I have stated before, my husband's family are all hunters- they hunt for their meat because there is a population of wild animals up there to do so.  That is fresh-  no hormones and such. 

I am not anti-hunting if there is a population that sustains it.  There is not in the San Gabriels.  How many of you have seen wild animals up here (other than coyote and raccoons)?  In our (almost) 7 years, I have seen one deer and one bear.  We've camped up here, hiked up here- in comparison, when you drive through Montana there are deer everywhere...you even have to look out for them along the interstate if you can imagine that.  That simply isn't so up here....

  
   Everytime I hear one of those rifle shots in October up here, I think of one less animal to be preserved in this  dwindling and delicate ecosystem of ours. 
 
    The only place that should be open  for Hunters in 21st Century California is at Knotts Berry Farm, Shooting the never-ending string of Ducks in the Arcade.

I totally agree!   

[GirlFarmer]

This season I saw 36 deer, 6 of which were bucks.  I only saw 1 bear and haven't had one in my trash since Labor day.  I think the dog chasers need to give the area a break for a couple years.  Deer tags are issued based upon a healthy sustaining population.  DFG biologist, I believe, are responsible for determining this.  One of the reasons, I've heard from one DFG employee (unknown if factual), for the lack of field control is the added burden placed upon the DFG by the environmentalists.  They spend all their time counting, confirming, checking environmental reports for every development.
The animals are out there.  You just need to limit your impact to see them and keep your eyes wide open.  I have also shot, with a camera, many sheep in the area.  They seem not to be the wariest (sp) of animals.  I've also heard from a reliable source of areas thick with carcasses (horns included) because of lions.

[angelwolf326]

And why are predators special?  Unless your particular brand of religion forbids it, all are good for consumption.  I've been the hunted by these creatures more than once.

Wolves, mountain lions, cougars, now tell me you eat these?

[gypsywolf]

[Surfer_Dude]

As far as predator prey ratio being balanced, I know that the coyote population in America is at an all time high.  Coyotes are in areas of the United States they have never been in before.  The theories behind this are worth googling.

[GirlFarmer]

The State has tracked the deer population since the 1800's.  They are well within the stable range.  Check dfg.ca.gov under hunting, big game, deer management programs.

I don't personally have a need to hunt lions (if it were legal) because I haven't aquired a taste for it.  I don't know how it would taste.  I do know that without the aid of dogs, it would be extremely difficult if not nearly impossible.  It would be good to allow hunting of lions without dogs in order to restore the lions fear of man.  The number killed would probably be insignificant and would benefit bighorn sheep numbers.  But in this State, it will probably never happen.

[KWBoy]

Should this be a whole diffrent topic about hunting? 

[ChattyCathy]

Yes, it's gotten way off topic.  But it was most likely one or more of these hunters who killed 3, and who knows how many more, bighorn sheep.  Let's not forget that.

[buddy]

I find it ironic that a lot of the hunter bashers are the same people that brag about the steak at the Blue Ridge or can't wait for the new hot dog stand to open.  Was the life of the animal raised for consumption worth less than the one taken in the field?  Most never have a single thought about the animal they are consuming.  Most hunters go through a wide range of emotion and thought when taking life.  Much care is then given while processing.  I know for a fact that you can't help but remember the animal every time you cook the meal from the one you've taken.  How many have had a single care when mowing through your burger?  These kind of fakers make me puke.  I have nothing but respect for true vegetarians, they take action for their convictions.  I've spent many days in the forest this past season and never once did I come across a hunter drinking.  I'm sure many probably did once they got back to their campsites, but not out and about.  I believe that the out of shape drunk hunters described here are a rarity.  Most can keep pace or out hike the typical person.  That said, I know it's true that some don't hunt, but really just need an excuse to get away.
I have also noticed in recent years an influx of hunters from another culture that do not share the same values as we have traditionally in this country.  We grew up with Give a Hoot Don't Pollute and that native american guy crying on the side of the freeway.  This new culture that is taking over doesn't even think twice about throwing granola wrappers or water bottles all over the forest.  This group has shown disrespect for many laws but we must all sit by silently for fear of being branded a racist.
Bottom line....if you're a meat eater, why are you picking on the hunter?  Are you naive as to where the meat on you sandwich came from?  And why is it OK to tell stories of trophy fish caught or lost?  I realize that fishing rods don't shoot.  But how many hunting accidents in relation to the number of hunters out there do you really here about? (Dick Cheney aside).
There are thousands of tags available for D-11 but it never sells out because only 3% are actually successful.   

Very well said I could not agree more. When you purchase your tag for this area  D 11, you are also allowed to hunt in two additional areas, D15 Orange and riverside county and , D13 Ventura county and some of Kern county, So if you  purchase a deer tag in any of  these areas D11, D13, D15 you can hunt in any of them. Since they started this I have noticed a very large increase in hunters in our area.

[AntiFltLndrs]

This topic makes me want to eat a carrot.

[AntiFltLndrs]

Wait, first I'll vote...then I'll eat my carrot

[wwpt]

 
   D-11, D-13, D-Whatever.....How could you shoot Bambi?  Or Thumper?

[Nolena]

To Quote Funky:
"Should this be a whole diffrent topic about hunting?"

Yes, it should be, so here it is.

[rdnckgrl78]

   D-11, D-13, D-Whatever.....How could you shoot Bambi?  Or Thumper?

How can you eat a cow, or a chicken, or a fish?  Is it not all the same?  How can one piece of meat be more important than another?

[wwpt]

 
  No, it's not all the same. If you can't distingiuish between Staters shelf meat and loading up a gun and shooting local wildlife, I can't explain it to you.

[rdnckgrl78]

  No, it's not all the same. If you can't distingiuish between Staters shelf meat and loading up a gun and shooting local wildlife, I can't explain it to you.

The only difference I see is that you are paying someone to kill your meat, and my husband is killing his own.  Yes, we do buy meat from the grocery store but we also shoot our own meat.  It takes much more effort to hunt, kill, cure, chop, and prepare the meat then it does to walk into a store and pay for it.

[Big Pines]

The only difference I see is that you are paying someone to kill your meat, and my husband is killing his own.  Yes, we do buy meat from the grocery store but we also shoot our own meat.  It takes much more effort to hunt, kill, cure, chop, and prepare the meat then it does to walk into a store and pay for it.
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Very well put rdnckgrl78 I could not agree more