Local Hunting

[angelwolf326]

Please wwpt don't EVEN get me started on hunters.....

[Wildman]

Same group I saw at Jackson Lake early in the season.  They drove up and down N4 with the dogs on top of the kennels.  When they started braying, they let the dogs go.

Nothing wrong with hunting.  Depends on how you look at it.  I haven't picked up a gun since the second tour in VN.  Personal choice...I don't begrudge those who hunt for meat or even, relaxation, as long as they show respect for the creatures they hunt.  Many find that they enjoy just getting out for the "process" of hunting regardless of whether they shoot anything or not.  Not much difference between a person shooting a deer for the venison and a hawk taking a rabbit to feed his family.

[angiepoo]

My feelings too!  If you are going to eat it then great.  But shooting it for the sport angers me.  And in my oppinion, using a gun for hunting isn't real hunting.  Try using a bow instead.  Now that's hunting!

[angelwolf326]

hunting for relaxation?? 

what is that about... 

oh i'm stressed lemm go out and shot a defenseless animal  (that may have a family to feed also)

[Wildman]

Cinchy-A bow requires a better stalk for sure, but oftentimes the kill may not be as swift or clean as a bullet.  The animal must often be trailed for long distances as it slowly bleeds to death.

Hunting/fishing is a process.  Anticipation of getting out in the woods...planning the the logistics...being with good friends...enjoying the beauty of the out of doors...smelling cowboy coffee boiled in a battered old pot. The relaxation comes not from killing something but from being
in a wonderful place away from the hustle and bustle of daily life. 

For many folks, going deer hunting has been a family tradition for over half a century.  Getting together often overshadows whether you kill a deer or not.  With the folks I grew up with, it was a something you did with respect for the animals.  As I said, I have not fired a shot at a living thing since my return from my second tour in Viet Nam.  I buy my meat from the grocery store. (Have you ever been to a slaughter house?  It is not a pretty place.  There is no respect for the animal). I feed hundreds of wild animals on our place. 

Don't know if getting all excited because there are millions of hunters across our nation is productive.  Certainly nothing to lose any sleep over.

[wwpt]

 
   I think what struck me as so unfair about this is that Bear meat is notoriously terrible eating, therefore I concluded they were killing for all the wrong reasons....ie ...a bear head hanging over a fireplace or the thrill of the hunt only. Maybe re-sale of the expensive bladders to the oriental community?
 
  If they're going to match wits and derive their pleasure from stalking and tracking, They sure incorporated alot of technology that makes it not even a challenge.

[MazzyStar]

Questions:

Don't you have to have a hunting permit which specifies what game is allowed to be hunted at what time?
Is there ever a "bear" season?

[Wrightwood]

I've merged the recent topic and previous one on the same subject.

[K9luvr]

   I think what struck me as so unfair about this is that Bear meat is notoriously terrible eating, therefore I concluded they were killing for all the wrong reasons....

Um, I've eaten bear meat and it was actually quite tasty.  I won't eat it now for personal reasons.

[Nolena]

"Have you ever been to a slaughter house?  It is not a pretty place.  There is no respect for the animal."

You've got that right! 

[K9luvr]

If you buy kosher meat you know it was killed swiftly and with respect.  That is part of rabbinic law.  But it does have a lot of salt in it because they heavily salt the meat to get rid of most of the blood.  The slaughterhouse has to be overseen by an orthodox rabbi. 

[gypsywolf]

I have no problem hunting for meat. I am a meat-eater. I agree that buying meat is no worse than hunting and as some have pointed out, even more inhumane.

I do have a problem with the kind of hunting mentioned here. That is not hunting. It is a disgrace and no regard for the animal they are killing.

I DO HAVE a HUGE problem with hunting predators. Unless there is some reason that they are overpopulating an area (due, of course, to mismanagement, as Mother Nature doesn't usually let this happen) then maybe I would relent.

Hunters donate lots of money to wildlife management. I know duck stamps go a long way towards habitat preservation. So there is an upside to hunters.

Man has been hunting game as long as he has had the tools to do so. Hunting itself is not evil. But the way it is carried out is just sacrilegious sometimes.

[Wildman]

Yes, you have to have a permit and there is an exclusive season when bears may be taken.  The Black Bear population in our mountains is stable and some say, growing.  Very few bears are taken in our mountains...most folks don't have the savvy to get close enough.

[angelwolf326]

Yes Wildman I have, I actually was married to a butcher for many years so I have seen alot of meat.  LOL

The only way I feel okay about hunting is if you are doing it to feed your family out of need, like wild animals do. 

I eat meat but rarely. I feel to over stuffed when I do, it is typically hamburger meat in spaghetti sauce or an occasional burger. 

 I do not care for the whole trophy hunter, kill just to kill HE-MAN hunters.

[Surfer_Dude]

[Wildman]

This thread was merged, I believe, with an earlier one which might give the impression that folks are still out there hunting.
If they are, they're poaching.


 "I do not care for the whole trophy hunter, kill just to kill HE-MAN hunters."

Who does?

[kew]

hunting for relaxation?? 

what is that about... 

oh i'm stressed lemm go out and shot a defenseless animal  (that may have a family to feed also)

A REAL hunter, when hunting for relaxation, uses a camera.

[phoenixgirl]

Oh, this makes me sad.  I saw those guys last fall when I was at Jackson lake.  They were driving down hwy 2.  I understand hunting, don't like it, THAT does not sound like hunting to me.  What can we do if they are acting outside of the hunting laws?

[Wildman]

You can report it to Fish and Game in Long Beach.  They are extremely short on officers.  Our resident Fish and Game officer retired and his replacement is dealing with development issues as they relate to streams and creeks.   They will probably thank you for the report and not send anyone out.  LA County Sheriff could enforce gross violations but....there is no LA County Sheriff that will be patrolling that area.

[wwpt]

 
 
  I'll bet those guys skirt around the Law by having 6 guys and 3 trucks and therefore are allowed the 6 dogs working in tandem to run the bears. Game Warden probably already has met these folks and stood by helplessly as the letter of the Law was not being violated.