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Offline RobertW

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More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« on: Nov 28, 05, 07:17:26 AM »

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Re: More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« Reply #1 on: Nov 28, 05, 07:35:35 AM »
Thanks for the report and the pictures RobertW. That was quite an effort on your part. Nolena, KW, myself and a few others hiked the slide area on 10/30 and there were no tracks or signs of that vehicle. I have pictures of KW above the area of the top plateau, that  I took that day and there is nothing visible in them in regards to car tracks. That really is the pits that someone would do that in that area and would go to so much effort to launch that car from the top. Too bad the sheep cam was not up there to maybe have gotten a picture of the perpetrators.

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Re: More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« Reply #2 on: Nov 28, 05, 07:42:23 AM »
RobertW this make me sick. That vehicle will undoubtedly be coming down in future slide activity and cause additional problems.

The Bighorn Sheep numbers in the San Gabriel's Mountains had dropped to critical levels in recent years and just appear to be making a comeback. The Wright Mountain/Pine Mountain & Heath Canyon areas have been recently added to the Bighorn Sheep summer ranges in the study protocols.

To allow public vehicle access to this critical sheep habitat is going to make a huge difference in the recovery process. This exact issue was brought to the forest service attention over 1 year ago. With this summers vehicle access to the area we have now went through a summer with hunters target shooting in the area and now vehicles are being dumped over the side. So long Bighorns...............

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Re: More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« Reply #3 on: Nov 28, 05, 07:49:41 AM »

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Re: More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« Reply #4 on: Nov 28, 05, 08:07:27 AM »
And people wonder why so many are opposed to having Hwy 39 reopened?  Parts of our forest have been war zones for years.  Some parts have more graffiti then urban areas.  Sadly, those elements are slowly moving Eastward.

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« Reply #5 on: Nov 29, 05, 08:15:46 PM »
Um, where have you all been?  There are upwards of 30-50 cars dumped on the forest every year.  Many of them are dumped on the desert side.  Littlerock area is a favorite.  What is really great is about every 3-5 years, there is a bonus of a dead body in it.  These are stolen, stripped, and often torched.  Many a fire response comes to a vehicle that has been treated this way.  There are currently upwards of about 10-15 vehicles that are on the Santa Clara/Mojave River district alone that are so remote, they can't be towed away by a tow truck.  And who can pay for this?  There is no money allocated to the agency for picking up this kind of dumping trash.  Does the agency lock everyone out?  Do they put gates on all the roads and only the "special" people get to drive the roads.  After all, this is public land.  There is no legal means by which the District Ranger or the Forest Supervisor could keep the road closed down to Lupine anymore.  That was supposed to be a 5 year closure based on the Narrows Fire.  It was in place for almost 8 years. 

A NEPA process will have to be done in order for an additional gate to be put in.  Who does the work?  There are already 27 pages of priority one projects on the forest.  Who pays for the gate?  They cost over $9,000 just to purchase one.  (Oh, and by the way, as of December 31, 2005 there are NO contracting officers for the 4 southern california forests--so who would process the purchase order?) and even if the money was there for the purchase of the gate, then you have to pay for the installation--dozer time, personnel time, etc.  There is no money allocated for this.  The budget is 25% less what it was last year and nationwide, fire is already severly in the hole. Guess who makes up the difference?  Deficit spending is not allowed so any surplus from other functions (like wildlife that would pay for this gate) is sucked up to pay for the fire deficit. 

It is easy to sit back and point the finger and say "this is wrong, and that's wrong."  It is a h*ll of a lot harder to be sitting in the trenches trying to figure out how to do more with less until you are expected to do everything with nothing. 

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Re: More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« Reply #6 on: Nov 29, 05, 08:33:47 PM »
Oh I get it "keep your mouth shut if you can't do anything about it". I kinda thought the voice of these concerned citizens was well put. Things are tough all over but it costs nothing to window shop.   Get over it

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Re: More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« Reply #9 on: Nov 30, 05, 03:02:20 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: Nov 30, 05, 05:25:01 AM »
You better knock it off Hillbilly, someone might think you're using SLANDER.           Stupid meth head tweakers ;D

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Re: More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« Reply #12 on: Nov 30, 05, 07:10:26 AM »
I'm actively involved with the San Gabriel Mountains Bighorn Sheep Restoration Project and a member of the State Hwy39 Bighorn Sheep Study Technical Advisory Committee. I don't need to tell most of you the amount of time, money and effort that is being put forth by volunteers, CDFG, ANF, SBNF and others on this bighorn sheep recovery process.

When I learned over a year ago that the forest service was planning on reopening the Lupin area my thoughts were focused on how the bighorn sheep recovery might be affected.

While attending various forest service and bighorn sheep functions I spoke with numerous biologists regarding the opening of this gated area and they all agreed that it would have a direct impact on the building population in the Wright Mountain and Heath Canyon areas.

The cost of over $9,000 was discussed with a number of people and a few alternate suggestions were made that could save the forest service a good deal of money. A local building material company has offered to help with the materials if needed and a suggestion was offered to move an existing Blue Ridge gate (that appears to serve no purpose) and would save half the $9K cost.

This issue was not on a hidden agenda, never presented in a negative manner and there was no finger pointing intended. It was presented then and now as a concern for the recovery process of the San Gabriel Mountains bighorn sheep with suggestions being made to help minimize or eliminate the costs.

Lets try and find some solutions and not place blame on why it can't be done. If fund raising efforts are needed I wouldn't hesitate to approach the Bighorn Sheep Restoration Program for funding.

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Re: More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« Reply #13 on: Nov 30, 05, 07:42:43 AM »

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Re: More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« Reply #15 on: Jan 15, 06, 07:04:17 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 15, 06, 10:33:14 PM »
 
   Rumor around town is some 19 yr old gal got mad at her boyfriend and let the car roll as they were partying up top.
 
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Re: More "Trash" dumped in the Forest!
« Reply #17 on: Jan 15, 06, 11:06:14 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: Jan 16, 06, 12:09:25 AM »
I don't think I have ever heard of such dumping.  This could be a  Ripley's Believe It or Not.

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« Reply #19 on: Jan 16, 06, 07:23:02 AM »
 
   I was wondering how someone could strip it in such an inaccessible place. Whatever the reason could be for doing this, they  should pay for the removal. It's only fair.