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angelwolf326

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #140 on: Jan 06, 07, 12:44:29 AM »
Giorgann, what did they do?  I can't have any poison due to pets...  can you let me know and maybe im me their info?

thanks!

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #141 on: Jan 06, 07, 03:13:04 AM »
Angelwolf,
Your big dogs would have to eat a lot of bait to get a fatal dose.  Most rat poisons are anti-clotting which cause the rats to bleed to death internally.  If your dog shows any bleeding abnormality after poisoning the rats you can give them some vitamin K. 


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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #142 on: Jan 06, 07, 07:32:50 AM »
Idon't think putting any poison pellets out is a good idea.  The rats will probably take it back to their nest.  They will eat some and die (hopefully), but there will be some left that your animals can get into and die. 

Even if you don't have a pet yourself, the rats may take the poison where another animal can get it. 


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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #143 on: Jan 06, 07, 11:54:48 AM »
Hi Angel Wolf~

They have these "rat hotel" thingies they've set up in my garage behind some of my junk. They put three of them out, each in a different location in the garage. Inside the hotels they put these little baggies, which the rats like to chew on. The baggies have a scent to them (I cant smell them but the rats can) that "is very attracting to rats." They go in to the hotel thingies and chew on the baggies and they get poisoned. Every couple weeks the exterminator comes out, checks if we need more baggies. About every other month she goes around the house and sprays for other pests (we were overcome with spiders and ants and beetles this year, for some reason, and I just couldnt keep up with them with  organic alternatives or store-bought poisons this past year). The spray she uses has a very light odor to it, and not very unpleasant. I wouldnt go so far to say it was pleasant, but it's not so bad.

We have pets, too, including a very small dog. We were concerned about that, but she set the "hotels" behind stuff, the animals cant get to them.

I dont know if the rats are able to cart off any of the bait they eat in the hotels, to a nest or something. It didnt occur to me, so I didnt ask. What the exterminator said is that the scent is very attracting, and they go into the boxes and chew the baggies, get poisoned by the bait, go away and die. And they have. It has worked out great for us.

I dunno if I can say this on the forum, they might delete it? But the exterminator is Clark Pest Control, and the Lancaster office services our area.

KWBoy

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #144 on: Jan 06, 07, 12:09:10 PM »
Giorgiann,
     You are more than welcome to post your recommendations here you just can't post here on the public forum a company name that gave you bad services. So your post is safe.  ;)

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #145 on: Jan 06, 07, 12:44:35 PM »
Second hand poison for the dogs that Angelwolf has would almost be impossible.  The dogs would have to eat many rats that had just injested the lethal doses.   The lethal dose for for a dog is 21g per pound.  Her dog Mogli  weighs 75+ lbs that would be 1575gs. ( A gram is the same amount in a packet of sugar.)

http://www.drpeay.com/Article31.phtml

Bromethalin is a new nonanticoagulant (Assault, Vengeance) designed to be lethal to rodents after a single dose. The minimum lethal dose for the dog is approximately 21g bait per pound body weight, meaning that a 30 lb dog would have to consume 630g bait (or 15 packs of bait) to receive a lethal dose. Ingestion of rodents that have consumed bromethalin does not cause toxicity in the dog. Thus bromethalin is a safer rodenticide for use where dogs are present than the anticoagulant rodenticides.

Giorgiann

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #146 on: Jan 07, 07, 12:43:30 AM »
Thank youFunkyGorilla!!
And thank you, too Surfer_Dude, that is useful information!

angelwolf326

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #147 on: Jan 07, 07, 01:23:31 PM »
thanks everybody, my dogs, all 3 are well over 30 lbs...

angelwolf326

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #148 on: Jan 07, 07, 04:07:21 PM »
I am going to try some non chemical stuff first.

 I cleaned my garage, got rid of all piles of anything, swept all the junk he left me up and I am leaving my hood open so it is not a place where it can hide.  I have placed dryer sheets on my tires and the area they have chewed in my car so we will see how the night goes...  I read that they do not like the smell of dryer sheets. 

With gas thieves in our village I don't want my car out...

I am going to also get rid of all cardboard boxes as they seem to like to eat them and replace with plastic sealed containers..  I am also going to put my bird seed in a sealed container.  He seems to like the sunflower seeds alot!

Wish me luck!!

KWBoy

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #149 on: Jan 07, 07, 07:23:36 PM »
I have a stack of 4"x4"X10' foot Boards stacked 4" off the ground and rats took dog poop :o, grocery bags, A home depot red flag, dog hair and made a nice little nest under it  :-X

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #150 on: Jan 07, 07, 07:55:56 PM »
I have a stack of 4"x4"X10' foot Boards stacked 4" off the ground and rats took dog poop :o, grocery bags, A home depot red flag, dog hair and made a nice little nest under it  :-X

And that was just in your bedroom!!!    :o ;D

KWBoy

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #151 on: Jan 07, 07, 08:22:56 PM »
No it was right next to my cage  ;)

michael

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #152 on: Jan 08, 07, 08:14:00 AM »
I am constructing a home in Pinon Hills at present.  The tubs are in place (cast iron) and filled with water.  There are three tubs.

Two of the the three have dead rats in them.  There is something to the bucket of water with a ramp to it idea.  They simply can't resist the water, don't see worth a diddle, and dive in.   There is no escape.  Dead Rat.


angelwolf326

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #153 on: Jan 16, 07, 10:46:48 AM »
Ok, it's war......  The dang rat chewed a huge hole in my CERT bag and in my vest!!!!!  He also chewed up a bag with Mogli's stuff in it........    So I found an old trap under the house and I set it and WHAM, DEAD RAT......  he was pretty big, about 6 inches......  Him and the trap were disposed of, I am not sure how someone can touch a trap to take it out after they are dead, I couldn't.

I am going to buy some more and put them out to see if there are others....

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« Reply #154 on: Oct 15, 07, 06:52:11 AM »
Rats!
Or, rather, rat, singular. One of the native ones. Hiding in the living room.
Why do they do this to me before I've had enough coffee?

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« Reply #155 on: Oct 15, 07, 07:25:35 AM »
I saw a rat Saturday night on top of the fence between my neighbor's house..... First time I have seen a live one up here.  We have had problems with mice in our crawl space.

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Re: Incoming Wildlife
« Reply #156 on: Oct 15, 07, 07:44:47 AM »
OOOhh, no  I hope you got to finish your cup first!   ::)

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Re: Incoming Wildlife
« Reply #157 on: Oct 15, 07, 08:11:22 AM »
Our son lives up against the Heathcreek wash and he has had a problem with rats for awhile now!

YUCK!

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #158 on: Oct 15, 07, 10:41:10 AM »
Too bad I could not ask our owls (we have 2 right now) living on our property to come there and have a rat snack! Owls are the best for rodent control. I think Wildman knows where there are some owls, maybe he can send them your way ;)

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #159 on: Oct 15, 07, 01:24:56 PM »
To everyone having rat problems - the County of San Bernardino has some help for County residents (sorry L.A. residents):  the Vector Control office operates in almost the whole county for unincorporated areas, and has an 800 number:  800-44-ABATE, and they can rent traps for a deposit which will be returned.  I worked for them for over seven years.  Most of what they do is education, not extermination, although an intervention-type trapping can happen if anyone has evidence they were bitten.  They have leaflets that help direct the efforts to exclude rats and mice from houses, and how to tell the native Woodrats/Packrats from the non-native Roof Rats and Norway/Wharf Rats.  (Quick note:  a Norway rat usually has a tail shorter than the body.  A Roof rat has a tail a good bit longer, but they are often shortened in injuries.  A Woodrat is not as streamlined, and has larger ears, more cartoon-mouse-like, than the foreigners.)  All three do carry disease.  Incidentally, raccoons sometimes carry roundworms and spread the sticky, drought-resistant eggs in their feces.

The Agriculture office, if the number is still the same, can give information on pesticides, herbicides and their safe use, at 909-387-2105.  They sell some gopher baits - general rodent baits also, if I remember correctly.  They also rent gopher traps if anyone is so afflicted.

We used to call bird feeders "squirrel feeders" in Vector.  If you keep food like seeds and nuts, they strongly recommend that you get METAL containers to keep out rats.  Not feeding them, not watering them (fix drippy spigots), not sheltering them (clean up branches and refuse, keep wood off the ground in a rack) and doing strict exclusion (the earlier mention of steel or aluminum wool around pipes was perfect) is what the Vector office recommends.  Rats can squeeze through a space that will allow their skulls to pass - about a quarter in most cases, but of course the youngsters are smaller.  Woodrats are the main chewers of car wiring and other insulation - leave the hood up and it won't appear so safe a place to them.  When I was on field trips in Geophysics, we had to lay our hundreds of feet of wire and sensors for seismic data out in the desert.  We would inspect it before layout, and in almost every location, we would find that rabbits or rats had chewed up insulation in places, often as soon as a half-hour after it was on the ground.  During the day.  But seriously - rat chewing can start attic fires from exposed, shorted wiring.  Take care of as much of the above precautions as you can, soon!