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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #200 on: Feb 01, 09, 08:19:49 PM »
As Mr. Rogers would say "would you be my friend".  Oh, wait, you are my friend.  I'm happy!!! :elefant: :drummer:

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #201 on: Feb 01, 09, 09:13:30 PM »
Here's a new species recently seen on Wrightwood roofs.


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« Reply #202 on: Feb 02, 09, 03:26:57 PM »
Wrightwood, your excellent pictures are of a woodrat - in Vector Control, we only had to tell a woodrat from a roof rat, and tell either from a Norway rat, so I can't tell the species.  But that definitely is a woodrat.  There are at least three species that would be found around this area - they have wide and overlapping ranges.

A Norway rat has a tail shorter than its body.  These can get ridiculously large near seacoasts, but would not be as large in these parts.  A roof rat should have a tail longer than its body, and ears slightly larger than  Norway rat ears - also larger in proportion to its own eyes.  Color isn't reliable for identification - roof rats especially can easily interbreed with escaped colored domestic rats, and be multicolored.  Body color can be caramel to almost black, with or without a white belly.  Both of these types usually have coarse 'guard hairs' that are longer than the pelt in general.

Woodrats, or packrats, are very common in the local forests.  They make nests that are huge piles of sticks, leaves, fluff and maybe a few shiny objects that they found somewhere.  They store food in them, which attracts bugs.  The rats are often host to ticks, which can carry Lyme disease, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, ehrlichiosis or babesiosis; and fleas that can transmit plague.  They transmit Hantavirus, as deer mice do.  Their head is more distinct from their body - they have more of a 'neck' than a roof or Norway rat.  They have bigger ears - more of a 'Mickey' effect.  The tail is often just a bit longer than the body, but it varies - it will be bare though, like on other rats.  Their fur is softer and more plush than other rats, and usually they don't have the coarse guard hairs.  They can have a white belly or not, and white feet on some species.  They get pretty fat if they can live off human trash or petfood.  If they nest in an attic or house, the nest will be big and messy, and dust from cleanup is a Hantavirus hazard - spray with a mix of bleach and water, clean it up as a wet mess, no vacuuming, and use gloves and a dustmask.

Disposal of any rat from a trap is best done without touching the animal.  Shoveling it into a bag is good, or if necessary handle only with gloves.  Double-bag the body for disposal.

I always thought of them as a little 'cuter' than roof rats, but they carry just as many diseases and are just as much a health hazard.  Vector Control tollfree number - 800-442-2283, for information on exclusion and identification.  Website:  http://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/vectorcontrol/vectorpublic.htm

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #203 on: Feb 02, 09, 03:38:00 PM »
Great information SoCalGal!
I'm glad we haven't seen any further signs of them. We do butt up to the forest so the wood rats 'wood' make sense.

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #204 on: Feb 06, 09, 06:45:09 PM »
Anybody have a rat-sized live trap?

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #205 on: Feb 06, 09, 07:03:20 PM »
Anybody have a rat-sized live trap?

Yep!  I got it for ground squirrels, but you can borrow it.  Come to think of it, I think I have a rat in my garage, so I would want the trap back.  Didn't think of that until I saw your post just now. 

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #206 on: Feb 06, 09, 07:38:55 PM »
Nolena... if you relocate him or her rat, please make it no closer than Lone Pine Canyon  :thumbs:

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #207 on: Feb 06, 09, 08:04:29 PM »
Nolena... if you relocate him or her rat, please make it no closer than Lone Pine Canyon  :thumbs:

All the way down Lone Pine Canyon!!

Do wood rats chew on wood framework?  I have seen where it looks like something is knawing on wood. 

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #208 on: Feb 06, 09, 08:06:15 PM »
I just set the trap in my garage.  I used peanut butter on a cracker, and a couple of whole peanuts, as bait.  I hope he/she likes tomato and basil flavored wheat thins, those are the only crackers I have on hand.   ;D

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« Reply #209 on: Feb 06, 09, 11:18:33 PM »
it is actually illegal to catch and release rats, they are vermin, who's neigborhood do you let them go in?

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #210 on: Feb 06, 09, 11:39:31 PM »
NIMBY.


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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #211 on: Feb 08, 09, 03:36:06 PM »
it is actually illegal to catch and release rats, they are vermin, who's neigborhood do you let them go in?

You hear that Nolena & BBob?  You can't release them on someone else's property.  Just put on some rubber gloves and strangle the little suckers.  You might want some earplugs too, I understand they can cry!  And don't look them in the eyes!    :o :o :o :o :bigcry: :bigcry:

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #212 on: Feb 08, 09, 05:26:57 PM »
it is actually illegal to catch and release rats, they are vermin, who's neigborhood do you let them go in?


Nobody's neighborhood, I didn't catch it, but even if I had, I'd take it halfway down LPC or something.  Assuming I would want to take the trap with a rat in it, in my car.  Oh puke!  :P  Maybe I'll just re-think the issue and get some of that sticky paper, although I caught a little field mouse on that stuff once, and it almost broke my heart to watch it struggle.   :'(

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #213 on: Feb 08, 09, 05:40:00 PM »
Nolena... if you relocate him or her rat, please make it no closer than Lone Pine Canyon  :thumbs:

Actually, I've always left them up on Linnet just east of the camp. I hear that the people there really like rats.
I leave them there with a little rat condo and a trail of food leading to the east, on the south side of the road.... ;D

Happy rat residents.  ;D

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #214 on: Feb 08, 09, 07:10:40 PM »
If I were dealing with this issue and could use bait to entice them to go into a cage, I would relocate the critters to a natural environment - like miles out in the wooded forest far away from residential areas where they can make friends with other wild animals. ;D

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #215 on: Nov 13, 10, 10:27:37 AM »
Well, it looks like we are unique in our rat problem - a mammalogist from Berkley told my new neighbor who is a disease biologist that we have the highest elevation of roof rats known to them.  My neighbor has trapped a few and has taken blood samples which he has sent to lab. They are trying to determine the exact species of the rats and if they are carriers of any thing we all should be wary of.  I hope the rats realize they don't belong here and all run back down the hill.

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #216 on: Nov 13, 10, 01:51:33 PM »
Hmmm. Roof rat.
I think I dated him.  ;)

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« Reply #217 on: Nov 22, 10, 06:52:22 AM »
More rat info:  A couple of the things they can carry are Rat Typhus/also called Murine Typhus; Plague (there are several forms - it may attack skin or especially the lungs, Pneumonic Plague - Bubonic Plague is when the lymph glands are infected, swell and turn purple, and eventually burst open); and even Hantavirus. :P  :o  There are others, but those have been found in San Bern. County Vector Control trapping.  The fleas transmit disease even if the rats are dead and gone.

First:  take in pet food when the pet is not eating.  Any feeder that the pet can get food out of, the rats can get food out of - they are really clever.  They can fit through any opening that their head can go through - that is, a diameter a little smaller than a quarter.  Second, though not so much at this season:  take in any fruit that falls off trees in your yard.  Keep an eye on bird feeders - might want to take those in at night.  Third - trim tree branches and leaves so they don't touch the roof.  Ideally the branches would be at least 3 feet from the roof, or any fencing, and not overhanging them - rats can jump that far or drop from overhangs.  But in Wrightwood, where houses and trees are dense, I know that would be tough for many.  It might be worth putting metal no-climb bands around tree trunks if you can see them using a particular tree.

Go around the house and yard and search for those little openings into sheltered places where they could nest.  A clue might be a dark streak on paint or masonry surfaces - their fur is greasy (!) and it leaves grease streaks where they run through most often.  Watch especially for those streaks near openings or cracks.  Those are good places to set traps.  And about bait - just use something firm in texture.  Peanut butter is great stuff, but if used alone they will just lick it off without setting off the trigger.  Crackers, nuts or fruit slices are good if firmly pushed on or wired on.

Wear gloves for sure if handling a trap with a live rat in it.  Transporting further than 500 feet, or about a tenth of a mile, and releasing them is indeed illegal in California.  Those who have the nerve to do the rats in would be doing the world a service, but it does take nerve.  I'd say try and get the kind of traps with toothed spring jaws that do an instant guillotine action - the animal dies instantly and doesn't suffer, and in some brands the corpse is enclosed in a box so you don't see it.  Be sure and spray pesticide around the trap area afterwards, and even more if cleaning up a nest, so that fleas and eggs all die.

If allowed to get densely populated with rats, a neighborhood is more likely to contain diseased rats - so the catch-and-release is not doing anyone a favor.  They know that living near man's habitats is much easier than roughing it in the wild, so they will just come back to houses.  Call in an experienced neighbor, or a professional, if necessary.  More info from the County is available from the Vector Control Program, phone 909-388-4600 or at 800-44-ABATE.  They rent traps, and can send out techs to an area to help identify rat hideouts or areas that need repair/cleanout.  If nothing else they have pamphlets and info on disease transmission and findings.


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Re: Roof rat info
« Reply #218 on: Nov 22, 10, 07:00:20 AM »
We had a problem with Hood Rats a couple of years ago... When handling Hood Rats, it's best that the gloves come off.   ;)

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Re: Rat problem in town
« Reply #219 on: Nov 22, 10, 09:40:57 AM »
I saw those rats that Jason had problems with and the gloves did need to come off.

Thanks for the tips SoCalGal.   I haven't seen one yet but that doesn't mean they don't live here in my house.