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Earthquake safety-some new information
« on: Sep 13, 06, 01:42:43 PM »
EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE:  "TRIANGLE OF LIFE"

I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced rescue team. The information in this article will save lives in an earthquake.

I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries, and I am a member of many rescue teams from many countries. I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years. I have worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous disasters.

The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City during the 1985 earthquake.  Every child was under its desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know that the children were told to hide under something.

Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This space is what I call the  "triangle of life". The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that the person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building. They are everywhere.

TEN TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY

1) Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN  BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are crushed to death. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are crushed.

2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position. You should too in an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it.

3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake. If the wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created. Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs.

4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on The back of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake.

5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to a sofa, or large chair.

6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls forward or backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed!

7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the building). The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each other until structural failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly mutilated. Even if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is not damaged.

8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible - It is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than the interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the building the greater the probability that your escape route will be blocked.

9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying next to their vehicles Everyone killed would have survived if they had been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly across them.

10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices and other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact. Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper.

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Re: Earthquake safety-some new information
« Reply #1 on: Sep 13, 06, 01:57:02 PM »
Hank, I believe this info was posted before and not all of it was found to be factual. This guy is highly controversial, to say the least.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/triangle.asp

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Re: Earthquake safety-some new information
« Reply #2 on: Sep 13, 06, 02:46:27 PM »
This was also brought up at CERT Training and discussed.


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Re: Earthquake safety-some new information
« Reply #4 on: Sep 13, 06, 05:56:07 PM »
Hank, I believe this info was posted before and not all of it was found to be factual. This guy is highly controversial, to say the least.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/triangle.asp

I got it from a local person who is a retired engineer.  I didn't think I had to "question" his information--certainly not his motivation.  Just as if I got something from you or WW or Clint.  I would input "credibility" to it--I guess I need to run everything thru snopes in the future.
 
However, I suggest we let Capt. Wayne Bennett evaluate the particulars of the "extract" and see if any of the recommendations are acceptable.  I remember hearing about some of the "voids" suggestions previously--perhaps during the safety class put on by Capt. Bennett.   Matter of fact, even snopes states, "We can't say that every single point mentioned in the article about earthquake safety by controversial "rescue expert" Doug Copp is wrong or bad advice"...
 
The American Red Cross has not recommended use of a doorway for earthquake protection for more than a decade so give Copp one with that recommendation.
 
The Red Cross states that if you have done a good job of earthquake mitigation (that is, removing pictures or mirrors that could fall on a bed; anchoring tall bedroom furniture to wall studs, and the like), then you are safer to stay in bed rather than roll out of it during the shaking of an earthquake.  I agree with that statement but the operative word is "if" and most folks haven't.  I had a friend and associate--who used to live in WW--whose sister died in the Northridge earthquake when something fell on her while she was still laying in bed.  I suggest that if she had rolled out of bed and "snuggled" up to the edge of the bed she might be alive today!
 
And finally, the Red Cross is not saying that identifying potential voids is wrong or inappropriate so I guess that's another "atta boy" for Copp!
 
According to another snopes reference, the "safe life voids" are the first places that search and rescue personnel look for survivors.  They also state that the larger and stronger the object the larger void it will provide. Also, they criticized Copp for stating "roll up into a fetal position" while later they state, "the smaller target you present to falling objects the less chance there is so something hitting you."
 
Perhaps in time the "Drop, Cover, and Hold On" may go the way of the "duck and cover" admonition during early nuclear education--and who has any level of confidence in FEMA now days?
 
Copp may be a fraud but let's not "throw the baby out with the wash"!!!

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« Reply #5 on: Sep 13, 06, 10:34:45 PM »
I met Doug Copp over 12 years ago. Niether his credentials or his theory held up under scrunity.

Triangle of Life (not Dougs creation. This basic rescue theory  has been around for years) is based on the principles of a void space being created by the furniture in a room when a roof  or building collapses. That principle holds up. BUT... it is irresponsible to tell someone not to take protective cover under furniture but rather get next to the furniture where you are vulnerable to imploding glass, light fixtures, etc. falling or if the roof does fail, splintering lumber impaling you. If the furniture gets crushed it does not matter where you are. You are crushed too.
Facts: The two quakes in Calif. both 7.1 on the ricther scale. 64 died in one and 67 died in the other. Yet in Iran, Turkey, China, Pakistan they have quakes of 5.3 to 7 on the ricther scale that results in deaths from 5,000 to 30,000.
California construction is of lightweight wood framing. We do not use unreinforced concrete. Which is why the crushing he refers to would be very rare.
Fact: In California you are at greater risk being injured by glass shards and falling light fixtures and heavy furniture (items that are taller than they are wide are going to fall over) than by collapsing buildings.
Aside from the disaster sites I have been to, even in Wrightwood when we had the collapses due to snow load several years ago it was evident that victims would have been better off under their household furnishings rather than lying next to them.
You only have to view the photos of todays accident behind Off Melrose to see the strength of wood construction. A third to half the studs were taken out by the vehicle and yet the building was still standing on its own.
DUCK, COVER & HOLD is still the most appropriate thing to do.


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Re: Earthquake safety-some new information
« Reply #6 on: Sep 13, 06, 11:08:03 PM »
Thank you Captain Bennett for the clarification.

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Re: Earthquake safety-some new information
« Reply #7 on: Apr 10, 11, 08:40:48 AM »
As is now common after large earthquakes, an email with "new" advice for
what to do during earthquakes is again being circulated by
well-intending people who don't know that the information is dangerous
and that its advocate has been broadly discredited. This method termed
the "Triangle of Life" is not endorsed by the California Emergency
Management Agency (Cal EMA).

The information you receive has been forwarded for many years. While it
seems credible, it actually contains dangerous recommendations and is
promoted by someone whose credibility has been broadly challenged as not
being the expert he claims to be.

According to the Earthquake Country Alliance, the "Triangle of Life" has been shown to be "potentially life threatening ."

Wayne Bennett has written a number of articles on the Triangle of Life versus Drop, Cover and Hold On. Here's a link:
http://www.disasterpreparedness101.com/

To learn more, please visit: www.earthquakecountry.org/dropcoverholdon