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Offline SkierBob

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #520 on: Jun 12, 13, 09:26:46 AM »
Just chased him back up the wash from Sycamore.  Trash pick up was today, so nothing for him in the cans.

 :2thumbsup:  Good job chasing him away. 

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Re: Bears!
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Re: Bears!
« Reply #522 on: Jun 12, 13, 10:38:35 AM »
This is a really interesting thread. I have a few thoughts to share:

1) Why is it that the bears down on the L.A. County side are shot with tranquilizers and relocated and here we're seemingly told that would not be an option? Perhaps a bit of p.r. for the "SAVE WOODY" campaign???  I'm just assuming there is only one Woody.

2) What about putting those obnoxious little noise things in birthday cards on the inside of your trash cans? When the bear opens it.. it might scare him.

3) Just a question here: Do the 'bear proof' trashcans work?

4) I feed the wild birds here on the ground. I don't use the bird feeders. They seem to know exactly when I'm going to do that.
I feed them in the late afternoon and watch them swooping in within an instant.

Just a couple of ideas. Loved the video of the bear opening the car door.. he almost seemed like a valet. cheryl o7o

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #523 on: Jun 12, 13, 10:53:41 AM »
Cheryl

Last year  my trash cans were gotten into several times and we did see a bear around.  I called CR&R, got the new trash cans and have not had a problem since.  You just have to make sure when you close them the get latched.


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Re: Bears!
« Reply #524 on: Jun 12, 13, 11:22:03 AM »
I have an air horn that I keep with me on hikes/walks. It's a smaller version of the ones boaters often use. It works wonderfully for scaring away the loose dogs I often encounter on our streets, and I imagine it would work well in the "go home Woody" department...I got it at Big 5....

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #525 on: Jun 12, 13, 11:34:38 AM »
New bill would revamp DFW handling of animals

http://www.sierrawave.net/16560/new-bill-would/

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1) Why is it that the bears down on the L.A. County side are shot with tranquilizers and relocated and here we're seemingly told that would not be an option?
see below
Department's Statewide Black Bear Policy 2071
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/bear/statewidepolicy.html

Following are the Department's three categories with examples, for responding to reported bear problems:

Category 1 - ("No Harm- No Foul bear") A non-habituated bear has strayed into a populated area and does not return to bear habitat. In most situations, removal of the attractants from the area will cause the bear to return to wild habitat and only phone contact with the reporting party will be necessary. Site response is only necessary in cases where a bear does not leave, or if other knowledge indicates that either the safety of the bear or the public is compromised. Techniques to cause (haze) the bear to leave may include, but are not limited to the use of non-lethal projectiles (e.g. rubber slug shot shells or sling shot projectiles) to drive the bear away and/or "bear" dogs to chase and haze the bear out of the area. Unless otherwise specified by a supervisor, a Department employee shall accompany any persons using dogs to chase or haze bears. Tranquilizing and removing the bear can be used if other methods are determined to be unsafe or have been unsuccessful.

Category 2 - (Habituated bear) A bear has become habituated to humans and may be a nuisance problem (no property damage involved) by tipping over garbage cans, invading compost piles, walking across porches, etc. Bears that have been previously captured and removed, but return to areas of human habitation are included in this category. The responder should continue to recommend reasonable corrective measures as a long-term solution to the problem. Reasonable corrective measures include, but are not limited to area clean-up, removal of trash or other food attractants, bear-proofing food storage areas, electric fencing, temporary closure of campsites, and/or the techniques listed in Category 1 above. Habituated bears are not candidates for moving and shall either be humanely euthanized or placed with a permitted animal care facility upon failure of the corrective measures.

Category 3 - (Depredation bear) A bear has caused real property damage to dwellings, structures, vehicles, apiaries, other man-made objects. If the damage is minor and there are no other previous reports of damage, the implementation of reasonable corrective measures to remove the attractants as outlined for Category 2 bears should be followed. If the situation worsens or damage is considered substantial in the opinion of the responder, corrective measures shall be made prior to, or in addition to, issuing a depredation permit pursuant to Fish and Game Code Section 4181. In cases where a bear has caused extensive and/or chronic damage to private property, such as injured or killed livestock, entered into an unoccupied home or cabin, or repeated damage where corrective or bear-proofing efforts have failed, the Department shall issue a depredation permit, if the property owner requests one. If the property owner does not want a depredation permit, the Department shall continue to advise on measures which need to be taken to prevent further property damage.

As provided for in Section 4181.1 of the Fish and Game Code, landowners or their employees may kill a bear encountered in the act of molesting or injuring livestock as long as this taking is reported to the Department by the next working day. The carcass must be made available to the Department. After investigation, an after-the-fact depredation permit can be issued.

As provided for in Section 4181.1 of the Fish and Game Code, land owners may kill a bear encountered in the act of molesting or injuring livestock as long as this taking is reported to the Department by the next working day. The carcass also must be made available for inspection. After investigation, and after the fact depredation permit can be issued, the Department employee has the option of allowing the landowner to retain the carcass.



Chief and Searles Lay Out Bear Problem to Council
http://www.sierrawave.net/2144/chief-and-searles-lay-out-bear-problem-to-council/

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #526 on: Jun 12, 13, 01:28:28 PM »

2) What about putting those obnoxious little noise things in birthday cards on the inside of your trash cans? When the bear opens it.. it might scare him.


Bears are pretty smart and once they realize the noise doesn't do anything they'll likely endure it if they really want what they're trying to get.  Years ago, on the other side of the mountains, we tried keeping a hive, which was discovered by a bear.  We hooked up a strobe light and loud boom box to a motion detector.  First time (like at 2 am or something) it worked and scared the bear off.  Next time we got to hear Motley Crue while the bear enjoyed his meal.  Our neighbors loved us.

Air horn attached to a person would definitely be more effective...

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #527 on: Jun 12, 13, 02:10:42 PM »
It's pretty hard to scare a bear away once he's tasted food.  Best thing to do is never let them get into the trash in the first place.  Once they get your trash it becomes their trash and they'll fight you for it. 

Mammoth Lakes has never been able to deal with their Bear problems (even though they pay the Bear Whisper 60k a year).  Mainly due to the city's failure to educated the public on the importance of making sure the bear proof trash cans are closed properly and not giving a big fine to the people that continue to feed the bears thinking they're helping them.  Your local trash company should if they don't already send out ecucational flyers with their bill telling the importance of keeping trash away from the bears.

I can't stress enough you have to haze them and run them off the second you see them or they will become use to humans and they will eventually have to be put down. 



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Re: Bears!
« Reply #528 on: Jun 12, 13, 02:18:01 PM »
Ok... I read through what SkierBob posted. It does seem to me that the bears 'on the other side of the hill' are clearly between Category 2 & 3.. see news media footage. And, yet all have been relocated after being tranq'd. All to the good.

Whereas our Woody might be a Category 2.. tho I would argue for Category 1.5.

Question:  Have you Wrightwoodians thought about asking CR&R to provide 'bear proof cans' for everyone? The trash does seem to be a good part of the problem here. And, it really is in the entire community's interest to discourage the darlings.

Suggestion: No more pics of Woody in the trash or we'll never convince W&F he's not a 'Category 2' bear... which I must note can be relocated to a facility. But, I don't think that W&F can apply one set of how they interpret the rules to us and another for the 'other side of the hill.' Course, I've never seen a bear here in PH.. so I do think it is up to you that live in WW to decide here. cheryl o7o

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #529 on: Jun 12, 13, 02:41:57 PM »
He does seem to skidaddle when told he is unwelcome. I would hope that would make him eligible for relocation.  :sweatdrop:

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #530 on: Jun 12, 13, 03:30:43 PM »
Reports of young bear in oak/linnet area right now


YIKES! I just ran down that street today about noon. Had I seen this, I would have probably picked another street. Thankfully, I did not see "Woody"

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #531 on: Jun 12, 13, 04:22:04 PM »
Sadly, the last time I remember there being a persistent bear problem.  I witnessed in horror a dead bear in the back of a pick up truck being driven out of town.  NOT tranquilized.  After that, I just stopped giving any locations of deer or other creatures being seen.  We have to be able to help each other as a community by warning each other, it would be good to see a large turn out at the MAC meeting.   :2thumbsup:

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #532 on: Jun 12, 13, 04:31:06 PM »
Just another idea here... working with CR&R on 'bear proof cans' and doing outreach to the community to order them and properly close them would make a great Eagle project. I'm thinking of the young man that did such great work with the house number project. My son's Eagle project was painting all the benches, etc on the Santa Monica Pier. Not as easy as it might sound. cheryl o7o

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What's a Human To Do? Be Bear Aware:
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Re: Bears!
« Reply #534 on: Jun 13, 13, 01:44:18 PM »
I always carry a can of the Counter Assault bear ppper spray with me when out hiking.  Supposed to be equally effective on bears, mountain lions, coyotes (dogs), snakes, anything with a good sense of smell.  They were $50 at REI a couple years ago.   

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #535 on: Jun 13, 13, 03:10:46 PM »
It's highly unlikely you'll get attacked by a bear unless you get between mamma and her cubs, and even at that she'll give you more then fair warning. 
When they're pissed they'll start rocking back and forth on their haunches.  When you see this its fair warning that they're giving serious thought about getting more aggressive.   

The only time I've been stalked by a bear is when I've been carrying a Buck out on my back.  Last year hunting on Prince Of Wales Island I carried a buck for  miles back to the boat.  We came across three bear that very quitely followed us. It was amazing to watch them walk through the brush without making a sound.  I walked all the way back carrying my rifle with one in the chamber.  However even these bears would scurry off if we tossed a few rocks and shouted at them, the scary thing was they kept coming back.  Some of these Bears look at you in such a way you know they've never seen a human before.   We deliberately hunt on Islands that have no Grizzly on them as they are a completely different bear to deal with.

Pepper spray isn't going to do a thing to a Mountain Lion because you're never going to see him coming. He's going to jump on your back and go for your neck, if he can't get your neck he's going to bite your head.  Pepper spray is better then nothing though, I suppose the safest thing to do is don't hike alone but that's not always an option. 

I feel pretty sketchy going up to my deer lick at night by myself.  I usually have my dogs with me and leashed in my Ranger.  I figure a mountain lion will go for them first giving me oppertunity defend myself.

I'm not afraid of no bear  ;D  but if I can get away I'm going to come up Monday and listen to your bear guy. 

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #536 on: Jun 13, 13, 06:11:47 PM »
I feel pretty sketchy going up to my deer lick at night by myself.  I usually have my dogs with me and leashed in my Ranger.  I figure a mountain lion will go for them first giving me oppertunity defend myself.

I think your dogs would feel better if you just didn't go at night. Otoh, seems like you'd be a better target since you're on the ground and they're in the jeep. Just sayin'...  :o

Agreed about the mtn. lion from what I've read.

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #537 on: Jun 13, 13, 10:18:11 PM »
We don't have bear-proof cans (moved here in March 2012, weren't issued them), but neighbors that have them say the bears knock them over and jump on the sides until the lid pops off. Neighbors seem to understand how to properly lock the cans, so I am reluctant to ask for them.

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #538 on: Jun 14, 13, 09:00:54 AM »
When they started issuing bear proof cans, I was leary.    They seemed smaller than the original cans (at least they seem smaller) so I didn't want them.   They will have to prove to me that the volume capacity is the same.  They were replacing them right after they were empty.   So for about a month, I would rush out there and bring my treasured can in before they replaced them.   As a result, I've never had a bear proof can.   I do, however, strap my can to a big tree so it can't get knocked over.   Then if I put more than 2 bags of trash in the can, I strap the top to keep the bears from reaching in and getting into the trash.    Works for me and I haven't had to deal with bears in my trash except the one time I didn't strap the top tight enough and they pushed the top and was able to pull out a bag.    My trash can has bear scratches all over it and bite marks on top but those are battle scars and the can wears them proudly. 

With all my neighbors complaints about the latches not working all the time and because their trash exceeded the capacity so they couldn't close the lid, I'm glad I never got a 'bear proof' can.  Besides, I'm going to start putting them in my garage and bringing them out on trash day.


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Re: Bears!
« Reply #539 on: Jun 14, 13, 11:37:24 AM »
Anyone who wants bearproof-ish cans can call and request them.  A good idea if you don't have a garage to store your trash in.