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Apocalypse soon?
« on: Aug 14, 07, 05:39:26 PM »
Video: San Andreas Earthquake Simulation
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SoCal overdue for big quake to hit the San Andreas Fault
Andrew Silva and Andrew Edwards, Staff Writers
San Bernardino County Sun

It'll be bad. Hurricane Katrina bad. Likely worse.

Thousands dead. Buildings collapsed. Freeways severed.

Scientists for the first time are figuring out in great detail just how bad it will be when the southern section of the San Andreas Fault, roughly between Palmdale and the Salton Sea, cuts loose.

"One of our goals is not to say, `We're all gonna die,"' said Lucy Jones of the California Institute of Technology, who is leading the effort. "It's, `Here's how you're going to die if you don't change anything."'

Scientists, academics, utility companies and emergency planners have jumped aboard the project so they can figure out exactly what will happen and how to reduce damage or at least be better prepared.

"What if a community decided to enact this measure on their water system? What if we could prevent the spill of petroleum product when a pipeline breaks?" said. "Our goal is to get the discussion going, and see how our choices are affecting our long-term survivability."

A detailed report is expected next spring. In November 2008 the state will use that information to create one of the most ambitious disaster drills ever undertaken.

While 300 miles of the northern fault ripped in 1906, killing an estimated 3,000 people in San Francisco, and the middle part shook during the powerful 1857 Fort Tejon earthquake, the southern section of the fault hasn't popped since the late 1600s.

There were six earthquakes in the 900 years before that, and none in the past 300, Jones said, meaning the most devastating disaster in 100 years is long overdue.

That's why scientists got funding last year to study a potential magnitude 7.8 quake that would originate near the Salton Sea and race 200 miles up the fault to Lake Hughes, just west of Lancaster.

What has surprised scientists is the level of destruction the earthquake would cause in Los Angeles, even though the fault is 60 miles away.

Though they're refining the computer models, the shock waves could turn west at the Cajon Pass and blast into Los Angeles.

(A link to animation showing how the shock waves are expected to behave is available at www.sbsun.com.)

That's about the same distance San Francisco was from the epicenter of the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. That magnitude 6.9 quake knocked down a freeway, severely damaged the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge and killed 63 people.

A 7.8 quake would shake nearly 10 times harder.

And it would shake for minutes. The magnitude 6.7 1994 Northridge quake lasted only seven seconds but killed 60 people.

"The calculations of motion on a San Andreas earthquake surprised us with longer term motion than we expected," said Tom Heaton, a professor of engineering seismology at Caltech. "I think people will be unpleasantly surprised by how hard the shaking is."

Even though the shaking in Los Angeles wouldn't be as intense because of the distance, the city sits on a deep basin of sediment that will shake like a bowl of gelatin and prolong the event.

"There will be large low-frequency waves. The ground will shift 10 or 20 feet. The (high-rise) buildings will resonate back and forth, and the slow part of the ground motion is important to them," Heaton said.

Some researchers think it's possible some skyscrapers could collapse.

The scope of the disaster makes planning for emergency responders difficult at best.

Last year, when visiting the command center for firefighters who were then mopping up the Esperanza Fire, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger hailed the abilities of the state's firefighters and confidently proclaimed that a disaster on the scale of Hurricane Katrina could not happen in the Golden State.

But no matter how well-trained the state's firefighters and other emergency responders may be, Southern Californians who survive the "Big One" will need to make sure they have food, water and other supplies to stay alive without the aid of government agencies or relief organizations during the quake's immediate aftermath.

"Citizens need to be able to take care of themselves," said Denise Benson, director of the county's Office of Emergency Services.

John Amrhein, the San Bernardino County sheriff's emergency services coordinator, recommends having a week's worth of supplies. He said people living in hard-to-reach places like the San Bernardino and San Gabriel Mountains need to have enough supplies to hold out for at least two weeks.

Information is available at www.daretoprepare.org.

"There would be so much damage down in the valley that they wouldn't have enough time to come up into (Lytle Creek)," said Sally Boyd, a Lytle Creek resident who for about two years has been a member of San Bernardino County's Community Emergency Response Team, or CERT.

CERT members train to assist government emergency responders during fires, floods and earthquakes. Boyd said the idea is that volunteers would be able to immediately assist their neighbors before officials arrive on scene.

For the first three days or so after a 7.8-magnitude quake along the southern San Andreas, sheriff's deputies would spend much of their time surveying disaster zones and figuring out how and where to deploy, Amrhein said.

Besides assisting evacuations, controlling crowds and keeping an eye out for looters, deputies would also be responsible for keeping the county's jail population alive and behind bars.

Regarding evacuations, people leaving areas with severe damage will probably have to seek safety close to home, since a serious earthquake could crumble overpasses and tear up streets.

"If that happens you're probably not going to go very far," Amrhein said.

Thousands of High Desert commuters will be stranded when the 15 Freeway through the Cajon Pass is cut. The fault could move 15 feet there, slicing the traffic lanes.

Estimates accessible from the Web site of the Governor's Office of Emergency Services show that across 10 Southern California counties, a temblor would kill 524 people if the quake began at 5 p.m.

Another 749 people would likely suffer possible life-threatening injuries.

Jones cautioned that those estimates are based on a limited database. There are thousands of pre-1975 concrete buildings that would likely fail, and if the quake happened during a weekday, the number of casualties could be staggering.

The report in the spring will include much better casualty estimates, she said.

Additionally, a quake would cause thousands of ruptures to water and natural gas pipelines and destroy more than 18,600 buildings, according to the estimate.

Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton is designed to withstand an 8.3-magnitude quake, said Scott Smith, the hospital's disaster coordinator.

He said it's possible Arrowhead Regional could be the only hospital left functioning in the San Bernardino Valley after a major quake.

Whatever happens, Smith said Arrowhead Regional keeps a cache of emergency supplies and medicine locked away in case a disaster creates a surge of patients. The hospital has three mass-casualty tents that could provide temporary shelter for the injured.

The hospital has 120 cots on-hand for patients who could be treated inside the tents or within the facility's halls and lobbies. Patients and caregivers could also expect to have an independent water supply. Smith said Arrowhead Regional has a 750,000-gallon water tank.

San Bernardino is notorious for its number of unreinforced brick buildings, which would certainly end up as piles of rubble.

Steps need to be taken as soon as possible to reduce the damage and casualties, experts agree, but some solutions will be expensive.

"An earthquake is inevitable," Jones said. "Disaster is not."

Jones Contact writer Andrew Silva at (909) 386-3889 or via e-mail at andrew.silva@sbsun.com.

Contact writer Andrew Edwards at (909) 335-9520 or via e-mail at andrew.edwards@sbsun.com.

LOOKING AHEAD

The 200-mile southern section of the San Andreas Fault could generate a magnitude 7.8 earthquake. Among the consequences:

Thousands die, depending on what time of day the quake hits.

Hundreds or thousands of older buildings collapse.

Skyscrapers in downtown Los Angeles could be badly damaged and some may fall.

The 15 Freeway through the Cajon Pass will be severed,

stranding tens of thousands of High Desert commuters.

The 10 Freeway between Banning and Desert Hot Springs will

be cut, possibly in several locations.

The 14 Freeway north of Palmdale will be cut.

Some communities could go months without water.

Small businesses may fail if water and other utilities aren't quickly restored.

Pipelines will be severed, triggering fires and interrupting supplies.

Older hospitals may suffer damage, causing remaining hospitals to be swamped with casualties.

Source: Lucy Jones, California Institute of Technology
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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #1 on: Aug 14, 07, 05:53:31 PM »

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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #2 on: Aug 14, 07, 06:04:44 PM »
Could your family survive for 2 to 3 weeks without assistance?

Have you and your family taken a CERT class to be prepared?

Do you know how you will communicate with family and friends when there is no phone service, cell service, internet service or any type wireless service for the general public?

If you can't answer in the affirmative to all the above questions, you might want to ask yourself why not. Is your family not that important to you?

As Dr. Lucy Jones stated very nicely: "An earthquake is inevitable."  "Disaster is not."

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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #3 on: Aug 14, 07, 07:05:31 PM »
Could your family survive for 2 to 3 weeks without assistance?

Have you and your family taken a CERT class to be prepared?

Do you know how you will communicate with family and friends when there is no phone service, cell service, internet service or any type wireless service for the general public?

If you can't answer in the affirmative to all the above questions, you might want to ask yourself why not. Is your family not that important to you?

As Dr. Lucy Jones stated very nicely: "An earthquake is inevitable."  "Disaster is not."

Fires are inevitable after a good shaker... Some fires will be structures that become brush fires..

Could Wrightwood survive a brush fire after an earthquake without assistance? 

 Earthquake is inevitable, Disaster is plausible.


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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #4 on: Aug 14, 07, 07:09:51 PM »
As indicated in other posts, the Wrightwood Disaster Preparedness Team (WDPT) is selling 3-day emergency kits which include water, first aid supplies, food, etc.  They have a 5-year shelf life.

This is by no means the minimum that one should be prepared with, but it is a start.  The WDPT wants everyone to be prepared.  I would be happy to supply a list of what is in the emergency kits if you want to make up your own.  This list was provided by Captain Bennett as essentials to survive for 3 days.

The WDPT bought these items in bulk to make up the kits, and although it is a fundraiser for the WDPT, I doubt that you can make up the "ingredients" at much lower a cost.  (Double $55, single $30, pet $25)

All of the proceeds from these kits go right back into the community by filling the trailers in both SB County and LA County with emergency supplies.    If and when there is an emergency, we want to be prepared to handle the needs of the community.

CERT training is essential for each household.  Approximately 100 people are CERT trained in WW (give or take).  CERT training is free and is sponsored by FEMA.  This class is a must for every single family in Wrightwood.  

I am a member of WDPT (not the spokesman), and I would be happy to get you the information you need for CERT training or any other questions.  The kits can be delivered, or they are available at most of the music events, car show, etc.

We all must be prepared to overt a Disaster.  

PM me with any questions or concerns.

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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #5 on: Aug 14, 07, 07:15:53 PM »
Do you know how to turn off your gas and other utilities?  Is your water heater secured?  These are major sources of fire after an earthquake.

Everyone needs to know the basics.


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Fires are inevitable after a good shaker... Some fires will be structures that become brush fires..

Could Wrightwood survive a brush fire after an earthquake without assistance? 

 Earthquake is inevitable, Disaster is plausible.


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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #6 on: Aug 14, 07, 07:54:06 PM »
Cathy feel free to post the list in a new topic

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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #7 on: Aug 14, 07, 08:06:04 PM »
And if you don't believe the above articles, just take a look here
http://www.consrv.ca.gov/cgs/rghm/pshamap/pshamap.asp?Longitude=-117.635&Latitude=34.308

Probabilistic Seismic Hazard Map

A probabilistic seismic hazard map is a map that shows the hazard from earthquakes that geologists and seismologists agree could occur in California. It is probabilistic in the sense that the analysis takes into consideration the uncertainties in the size and location of earthquakes and the resulting ground motions that can affect a particular site.

The maps are typically expressed in terms of probability of exceeding a certain ground motion. For example, the 10% probability of exceedance in 50 years maps depict an annual probability of 1 in 475 of being exceeded each year. This level of ground shaking has been used for designing buildings in high seismic areas. The maps for 10% probability of exceedance in 50 years show ground motions that we do not think will be exceeded in the next 50 years. In fact, there is a 90% chance that these ground motions will NOT be exceeded. This probability level allows engineers to design buildings for larger ground motions than what we think will occur during a 50-year interval, which will make buildings safer than if they were only designed for the ground motions that we expect to occur in the next 50 years.

View/Download a copy of Earthquake Shaking Potential map shown at right:
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View/Download a copy of Regional Earthquake Shaking Potential maps similar to above: (pdf files)
North Coast        San Francisco Area       Central Coast        Los Angeles Area        San Diego Area



Wrightwood is between the 70-80% and above 80% probablility we will exceed projected levels. 
In my book that is not "if" but "when". 

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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #8 on: Aug 14, 07, 11:39:19 PM »
Estimated Fault Movement in Wrightwood is between 3 and 4 meters.  It will most likely not be on a single fault but will be slightly dispersed.

Internet tie lines to the Internet backbone will be cut in both the Banning and Cajon Pass.

All acqueducts carrying water into Southern California will be cut.

Telephone system will be down

Electrical system will be down.

Pipelines through Banning and Cajon Pass will be cut.

Railroads will be cut through Banning Pass, Cajon Pass, and the Palmdale area.  Only one out will be along the coast, maybe.  Depends upon the severity of the quake.

Indio is expected to have 8 meters of movement, Banning Pass 2 to 3 meters (again spread out due to numerous faults), and through San Bernardino and Cajon Pass proper about 6 meters.

Go to http://visservices.sdsc.edu/projects/scec/terashake/ for super computer simulations of the shaking.

We won't have the worst damage.

One Comparison:

Northridge had about 60,000 tons of debris generated.

This one will have at least 6,000,000 tons of debris generated.

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« Reply #9 on: Aug 15, 07, 03:33:15 AM »
CERT training is essential for each household.  Approximately 100 people are CERT trained in WW (give or take).  CERT training is free and is sponsored by FEMA.  This class is a must for every single family in Wrightwood. 

I want to echo CattyCathy's comments about CERT training.

Another aspect of the CERT training is the knowledge you will gain that can be used in various day to day events. Most, if not all, of us are in our cars several times a week. If you come upon an accident, with sever injuries, would YOU know what to do until the paramedics arrive? Or will you be like most people and stand helpless, hoping the professionals arrive before someone dies. I had that experience shortly after completing the CERT training. Due to the training I was able to secure the location, enlist the help of an ER nurse and when the paramedics arrived I was able to give them a 20 second report on the condition of the victims.

If that accident had happened 1 month earlier I would have been standing on the side line with everyone else.

Did I save a life that day? I have no idea. What I do know, is I knew what to do until real help arrived.

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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #10 on: Aug 15, 07, 03:38:10 AM »
For the past 2 years, I noticed there is a booth regarding earthquakes at Mountaineering Days.   I think he is from either JPL or US Geo but in any case, the guy know of a earthquake simulator that could have been brought up here. (Its just a room that sits on a device that will shake at different intensity.) His supervisor wont let him bring it because of lack of news coverage for the event.  

Sounds like his super is more interested in his 15 minutes of fame instead of preventing injuries and saving lives.  

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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #11 on: Aug 16, 07, 12:22:04 AM »
Three major earthquakes strike Peru -- a magnitude 7.7 and two magnitude 7.5,
according to the U.S. Geological Survey. There is no word on casualties but
Reuters reports buildings shaking in the capital, Lima.

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Re: Apocalypse soon?
« Reply #12 on: Aug 16, 07, 07:44:11 PM »
Just heard on FOX that there was a 3.5 earthquake in Chatsworth, they were discussing the Precursor vs. Stress Reliever theories of these small earthquakes.