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Offline Nolena

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Gardening Aids
« on: Mar 21, 09, 09:39:48 PM »


By Carl Wilson, Colorado State University Cooperative Extension, Horticulture

Walls of Water are useful devices to extend the growing season for tomatoes, peppers, eggplant and other warm-season vegetables.
The channels of water in the sides of the plastic cone absorb heat from the sun during the day and radiate it back to the plant growing in the cone at night.
This provides an even greater benefit than simple frost-protection covers that do not store heat. While considered most useful during the cold weather of April and early May, this year they have been beneficial well into June. June night temperatures have been in the 50s and even dropped to 40 degrees along the Front Range. Chilling, not freezing, is the concern with warm-season vegetables at these night temperatures.
Tomatoes are subtropical plants that prosper in a uniformly moderate temperature range of 65 to 85 degrees. With chilly nights, plants often turn pale green or yellow, and leaves show purple veins. Growth is slow to nonexistent.
The pale color is a symptom of plants that are struggling physiologically and not taking up or using nitrogen well. The purple leaf veins reflect the plants' inability to take up phosphorous from the soil under cool temperatures, even though the quantity of phosphorous present is adequate or even high.
While a light application of fully soluble fertilizer may be somewhat useful, the real problem is cool temperatures, particularly night temperatures.
Plants grown without the benefit of a night heat source will remain set back for weeks, even after the weather finally turns warm.
Until night temperatures are consistently above 55 degrees, the Walls of Water are providing an appreciable benefit to your tomatoes, and you should consider letting them remain around your plants. Also be careful not to overwater plants, as cold and wet conditions are worse than cold and moist. Carefully dig down around plants to check soil moisture before watering.

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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #1 on: Jul 26, 09, 12:14:42 PM »
My tomatoes are not looking so hot this year.  I have two plants in huge above ground containers.  I water once a day in the early morning.  I am afraid they are getting too much water,  Veronica thinks not enough.  The soil feels moist all of the time.  I am wondering if it needs to dry out a bit.....

I found this guy on youtube.  Anybody use their vacuum bag fluff like he does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wge_1U9NfX8&feature=related

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« Reply #2 on: Jul 26, 09, 12:39:10 PM »
My guess is that you are drowning your roots as they are sitting in too much water. I don't think you need to water more than every two or three days depending on what type of soil you have. It is okay to let your tomato plants look a little wilted before you water them and I actually heard that this produces more fruit because the plant thinks it might not make it. Over watering also make you tomatoes not taste as good.

That is a pretty darn interesting theory about a different source for adding trace minerals to your tomatoes. I had never heard of that before, but it seems plausible.

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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #3 on: Jul 26, 09, 06:52:09 PM »
I like the idea of planting them in the bag of soil - how easy is that?

I'm not sure if I'm ready to try the vacuum bag stuff.

My tomatoes are looking very good in my greenhouse.  I hope I'm not watering them too much, as I water them every day, plus there is a mister in the morning and in the evening.  It gets very warm in there.  How do I know if I'm watering them too much?  On these hot days, I've even watered them in mornng and in the evenings.

I have one tomato plant that is in a pot, but it has reached the top of the greenhouse (well over my head) and must have 50-100 (or more) Roma tomatoes on it.  They are pretty small, but I counted 50 without even moving any of the vines.  Some are starting to turn red. 

Other tomato plants are also looking strong and healthy with lots of tomatoes (not as many as the tomatostalk).

So -- how much is too much watering?

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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #4 on: Jul 26, 09, 08:14:41 PM »
CC>I have one tomato plant that is in a pot, but it has reached the top of the greenhouse (well over my head) and must have 50-100 (or more) Roma tomatoes on it.  They are pretty small, but I counted 50 without even moving any of the vines.  Some are starting to turn red. 

Other tomato plants are also looking strong and healthy with lots of tomatoes (not as many as the tomatostalk).

LM>Roma's are typically very robust and 'determinant'. That means they produce all of their fruit in a short period of time. This is great for farmers who grow them for tomato paste, etc. 'Indeterminant' varieties produce a steady amount throughout the season.

CC>So -- how much is too much watering?

Check the soil! Dig in a little bit to see if it's damp or soaky wet. Pick up the pot and see how heavy it is before and after you water. Tomatoes do like to dry out a bit between watering, as they don't appreciate wet feet all the time. Otoh, that doesn't mean bone dry either.

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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #5 on: Jul 26, 09, 09:52:04 PM »
Thanks, LM.  I'll check it out in the morning!

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« Reply #6 on: Jul 27, 09, 01:44:31 PM »
BB>  I am with you on the watering.  My father in law grows outrageous tomatoes and he also told me water every two to three days.  I set mine up on a daily drip a few weeks ago when we went on vacation.  I am going to back off.  I think you're right about the plant wanting to produce more fruit if it is not getting so much water.  My two plants only have a few each.  I am hoping more will come in after I cut back on the watering.

CC>  I am not sure about trying the vacuum bag stuff either.  Maybe next year I'll try it on one plant, and compare the results against the others.

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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #7 on: Jul 27, 09, 03:27:55 PM »
"How much is too much watering?"

Dig a large hole next to the plant. Bend over and stick your whole head into the hole. If your hair is dripping wet when you stand back up, you are watering too much.

(Let me know when you are planning on doing this so that I can bring my camera.)

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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #8 on: Jul 27, 09, 04:00:14 PM »
Nolena - I'd be glad to allow you to test for excess water!

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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #9 on: Jul 27, 09, 05:55:51 PM »
Sorry.
Already washed my hair.

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« Reply #10 on: Jul 27, 09, 09:12:20 PM »
I am trying out all different kinds of growing methods this summer since I have yet to hit on the sytems that really work. 



I have been using the tomato automator from Burpee.  I planted all plants the same size, three in the automator and one not.  The three in the automator are at least double the size of the one that is not, and the three are setting fruit like crazy.  The one plant in the ground is struggling, even with the same food and water.  You put time release fertilizer in the depressions in the tray, and I fill it twice a day and it seeps in slowly.  So far I am really happy with them. 

Also trying a raised bed of compost (homemade) vs in the ground in Miracle Grow planter mix with fertilizer for zucchini plants.  I water them each daily, and even with extra dose of time release fertilizer on the in ground plants,  my raised bed of natural compost has doubled the size of the zucchini.  The other plants are doing OK, but don't look as strong and dark green.

Also tried growing beans and snap peas in the large black tubs like a large tree would come in.  Have three sticks tied for them to grow up, and they are doing terrific.  Have NEVER been able to grow beans from seed directly in the ground here, never could keep enough water on them no matter how much compost I mixed in.  They are starting to blossom and set beans, and I just planted them from seed the last week of June. 

I have noticed those plants growing in buckets or tubs need water only every other or every third day.  The stuff in the ground really suffers if they do not get daily water.

Every year I dump more and more homemade compost in my garden and every year it gets a little better, but with the success of the zucchini I think I will be looking for a dumptruck full of the stuff next spring!!!

 

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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #11 on: Jul 30, 09, 09:21:51 AM »
My Gardening aid is a Makita Jack hammer  :2thumbsup:


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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #12 on: Jul 30, 09, 11:32:26 AM »
My Gardening aid is a Makita Jack hammer  :2thumbsup:



Sounds like some good soil  :P  I know it well.

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« Reply #13 on: Jul 30, 09, 12:22:03 PM »
Where we used to live, we wound up "digging" holes by using the pressure washer aimed at one little spot....

has anyone tried the upside-down tomato growers?  I was thinking they might help keep a lot of pests from easy access to a tomato-plant dinner....

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« Reply #14 on: Jul 30, 09, 12:33:04 PM »
SoCalGal:  follow this link to Wrightwood's "topsy turvy" tomato plant

http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php?topic=13667.0

BTW John, we need an update on your plants...or did Nolena clean you out?

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« Reply #15 on: Jul 30, 09, 12:34:44 PM »
Thank you makgirl!

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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #16 on: Jul 30, 09, 06:09:49 PM »
SoCalGal:  follow this link to Wrightwood's "topsy turvy" tomato plant

http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php?topic=13667.0

BTW John, we need an update on your plants...or did Nolena clean you out?


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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #17 on: Jul 30, 09, 10:56:34 PM »
I pretty much suck at real gardening.  My herb gardens have always done well. 

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Re: Gardening Aids
« Reply #19 on: Aug 02, 09, 08:44:27 AM »