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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #180 on: Jan 12, 13, 06:15:31 PM »
After submitting all three forms (as recommended) to the various agencies, I got my rejection letters today in the mail.  One from the Board of Equalization and one from the Fire Prevention Fee Service Center.  Both saying my request for redetermination had been rejected, as I knew it would be.  Hopefully by submitting these forms I will now be in the system in case any the outcome of any lawsuit reverses this "tax".

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #181 on: Jan 12, 13, 06:20:29 PM »
I also got my 2 rejection letters last month. Thought it was a bit over the top to get 2 different ones.

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #182 on: Jan 12, 13, 06:24:31 PM »
.37 and .45 cents (total .82) of my $115 well spent.  Plus they sent an envelope with the invoice that had a net amount due of $0.00. 

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #183 on: Jan 23, 13, 06:12:07 PM »
Since I have not received my bill I called the Board of Equalization.  Turns out they had the wrong PO Box, missing one digit.  They will correct and send a new bill with an extension, due to incorrect mailing information.

Still have not received a new bill.  I called them and they made adjustments, now have interest due, said they will correct and send me a bill.  They said this fun should be fixed in two weeks.  If I don't receive a bill, a corrected bill, to call back ;D 

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #184 on: Jan 26, 13, 03:42:08 PM »
There's an interesting piece in the LAT today about the Dept of Forestry hiding around $3 million in a fund with a non-profit to avoid the money being transferred to the general fund.

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Cal Fire kept $3.6 million from state's treasury, records show
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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #186 on: Jan 29, 13, 11:57:21 PM »
From: Firetaxprotest.org

Cal Fire faces investigation by authorities
The Los Angeles Times has exposed the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection for hiding $3.6 million in money derived from legal settlements that many are saying should have been deposited in the General Fund.
 
Instead, Cal Fire hid the money in a nonprofit account, using it to buy digital cameras and evidence sheds.
 
Following questions raised by the Times, Cal Fire now faces an investigation by the Department of Finance.  Cal Fire officials are cooperating with authorities and researching how to deposit the remainder of the money in the General Fund where it belongs.

We will soon be in communication with you about the current status of the lawsuit by email.  However, lawsuits generally take considerable time and encounter many procedural delays and roadblocks.  Please be patient and do not call us asking when you will receive your refund.  We will let you know when the lawsuit is resolved.
 
Thank you so much for your support.

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California fire funds paid for GPS units, Pismo Beach conference
« Reply #187 on: Jan 31, 13, 03:40:55 PM »

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #188 on: Feb 01, 13, 06:58:39 PM »
Support SB 125 and stop paying the Fire Fee

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/sen/sb_0101-0150/sb_125_bill_20130122_introduced.html

BILL NUMBER: SB 125 INTRODUCED BY Senator Gaines JANUARY 22, 2013

An act to amend Section 4212 of the Public Resources Code, relating to fire prevention.

This bill,  recently introduced at the State level,  would exempt property owners who live in an area currently provided fire protection by a fire district (such as our County Fire Department with stations in Wrightwood).

The key provision of this proposed law is:

(d)  Notwithstanding any other law, a property owner of a habitable structure that is both within a state responsibility area and within the boundaries of a local fire district that provides fire protection service in the district shall be exempt from the payment of the fire prevention fee required under subdivision (a).

Contact your State representatives and urge their support and passage of SB 125.

State Assembly (District 36) Assembly Member Steve Fox-DEM

http://asmdc.org/members/a36/

State Senate (District 23) Senator Bill Emmerson-REP

http://cssrc.us/web/23/

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #189 on: Feb 05, 13, 04:36:34 PM »
Well here is one to add a bit of tinder to the fire. I was talking with a friend yesterday about the fire fees. She had called to see whether a payment plan was available. She was told yes, but if she protested the fee it would not be available to her.
Say what?  cheryl o7o

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #190 on: Feb 05, 13, 05:40:36 PM »
^^ I doubt the right hand knows what the left hand is doing.

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Legislature to renew debate over rural fire fee
« Reply #191 on: Feb 18, 13, 11:35:11 PM »
By DON THOMPSON
Associated Press

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- An annual fire-prevention fee that is unpopular with some rural property owners is headed back before the state Legislature, as Gov. Jerry Brown proposes to expand its use and opponents try to kill it.

The fee was imposed for the first time last year and helps fund the state's firefighting agency. It has run into two new hurdles in recent weeks that are feeding criticism and uncertainty about its future.

First came a disclosure that the Department of Forestry and Fire Protection funneled money from wildfire damage settlements into a special account instead of the state treasury.

That revelation was followed by an opinion from the Legislature's legal counsel that the department is improperly using some of the new fire fee revenue to collect damages from those who maliciously or accidentally start fires, instead of its intended purpose.

The news prompted a state audit, led Republican lawmakers to call for a federal investigation and bolstered the hopes of an anti-tax organization that is suing over the way the fee was enacted.

Department spokesman Daniel Berlant said there was no intent to hide $3.6 million in wildfire settlement money that was placed in an account kept by the California District Attorneys Association. Most of the money was used to buy digital cameras, radio scanners and other equipment, and for conferences to train county prosecutors and fire investigators.

The department provided documents it said show that state officials were told about the fund, unlike the parks department where officials deliberately hid $20 million from lawmakers and the governor.

A February 2010 email to the Department of Finance, state Assembly and Bureau of State Audits has an attached memo outlining 10 financial and management issues facing the firefighting agency. The Wildland Fire Investigation Training and Equipment Fund at the center of the dispute is addressed in four paragraphs on page seven of the 10-page memo.

A 26-page internal audit of the account also was posted on a public website in 2009, four years after the fund was created.

Finance Department spokesman H.D. Palmer said the existence of the fund was not widely known, and officials are now auditing the account.

Putting money from wildfire settlements into an account overseen by the district attorneys association is like playing "shell games with the public's money," said Assemblyman Adam Gray, D-Merced.

He is chairman of the Joint Legislative Audit Committee, which plans a hearing on the shift.

Republican lawmakers sent Brown a letter two weeks ago demanding that he ask a federal prosecutor to investigate. The administration is still working on a response.

"It damages the credibility of the agency," said Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association President Jon Coupal, whose organization is suing to overturn the new property fee. "This smacks of the same issues that tarnished the parks department."

As revenue from the new fee on rural property owners comes in, the state fire department is using a portion of it to pay for 24 employees who collect damages from those who start wildland fires. Brown has proposed using $3.7 million from the fees to fund that program permanently, but the legality of that move also is being challenged.

The nonpartisan Office of Legislative Counsel concluded that using the rural property fee to investigate and prosecute those who start wildfires violates the state constitution because there is no direct benefit to the property owners paying it. The fee ranges up to $150 a year and is assessed on nearly 800,000 property owners.

Republican lawmakers have introduced at least five bills to repeal or restrict the new fee.

Meanwhile, the administration wants the Legislature to amend the property fee so the money collected can be used for fire-prevention efforts in areas that border the regions where the fee is assessed.

That bill would require a two-thirds vote of the Legislature and officially turn the fee into a tax. The property fee was approved on a simple majority vote in 2011. Its opponents argue in their court filings that it actually is a tax that required a two-thirds vote by the Legislature.

"It's just another tax," said Vince Cal of Greenwood as he recently took time out from mowing his lawn in the tiny Sierra Nevada community 50 miles northeast of Sacramento.

"Prop. 13 was supposed to stop all that; now they put another name on it," he said, referring to the landmark 1978 property tax initiative.

Democrats now have two-thirds majorities in the Legislature and could make the legal challenge moot if they voted with a supermajority to redefine the assessment as a tax. That wouldn't matter to Darnell Olszweski, a single mother who lives in the foothill community of Garden Valley and sees no problem with an extra assessment for those who willingly live in wildfire country.

"It's for our protection, and I don't see why not if it is going for a good cause," she said.

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/02/18/5198460/legislature-to-renew-debate-over.html

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #192 on: Feb 26, 13, 08:52:01 PM »

Important information about your 2013 fire tax bill

Cal Fire is preparing to mail the next round of fire tax bills to people in the so-called State Responsibility Area.  CalFire will bill you every year until we win our class action lawsuit.

http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=a40c318dba8ce9a0fc951284f&id=4707837722&e=287f3cb9d1
 

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #193 on: Feb 27, 13, 12:41:29 AM »
Important information about your 2013 fire tax bill
Cal Fire is preparing to mail the next round of fire tax bills to people in the so-called State Responsibility Area.  CalFire will bill you every year until we win our class action lawsuit.
 
Some people have already begun to ask whether they should protest their bill again.  If you already filed the Petition for Redetermination according to the instructions on FireTaxProtest.org, and you received a denial that was not due to your Petition being late or incomplete, then you do NOT need to protest again unless you face one of three special circumstances, which are as follows:

    Your parcel is no longer located in the State Responsibility Area
    Your parcel has fewer habitable structures than the number billed, or
    Your bill omitted the $35 credit for a parcel located within the jurisdiction of a local fire protection agency.

If you have not already filed the protest paperwork on FireTaxProtest.org, you should protest now.
 
Our lawsuit continues to wind its way through the process and we will be in touch with more information when it becomes available.  Please be patient as lawsuits typically take a long time.

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Fire fees - Court gives us green light to serve lawsuit on defendants
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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
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Runner Asks Cal Fire to Delay Potentially Incorrect Bills
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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
« Reply #198 on: Mar 25, 13, 05:31:48 PM »
You are invited to a Fire Fee Tele-Townhall!

You are invited to join Board of Equalization Member George Runner April 2, 2013 at 6:00 p.m. for a teleconference townhall concerning the confusing and controversial California Fire Prevention Fee

If you would like to participate, please register in advance at: http://www.calfirefee.com/townhall/

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Re: Fire fees under California state budget
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