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KC

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Bluecut Name?
« on: Oct 20, 02, 06:02:58 AM »
Anyone know where the BlueCut name comes from on the I15 ?

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Re: Bluecut Name?
« Reply #1 on: Oct 20, 02, 08:31:45 AM »
Blue Cut is a name of a road cut through blue-colored rock, the Pelona schist. I imagine the name came from the the color of the rock where the cut was made.
See: http://users.cwnet.com/varner/route66/cajon.htm
Cajon Pass and the Blue Cut, California

Here are more  pictures of it.
http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=200
http://www.trainweb.org/brettrw/sf3751/sf3751.html

You probably know that you can drive Old Route 66 from Cleghorn to Kenwood, I think it is, right before the 215 split. You can see the cut better on this road.

CalTrans also calls one of turnouts on Angeles Crest Highway "Blue Cut". It is between Grassy Hollow and Vincent Gap at mile marker  LA 76.11 and does cut right throught the Pelona schist.


I would like to know how Blue Ridge got its name. I have heard that it is because of a blue haze which forms over it in the afternoon or because of the blue color of the Pelona schist that forms it. Does anyone know?


KC

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Re: Bluecut Name?
« Reply #2 on: Oct 20, 02, 01:33:04 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: Oct 23, 02, 04:29:27 AM »
Pinemouse,

I was told the mineral formation at blue cut was "Actinalite". You called it Pelona Schist. Is this the same mineral. Actinalite never did seem correct to me.


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zelicaon

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 23, 02, 07:47:12 AM »
It is my understanding that actinolite is a form of schist. Pelona [from Sierra Pelona Mountains to the northwest] schist is the name of the rock formation that includes it. I do not know if the rock at Blue Cut is specifically actinolite or not. Maybe the WW Naturalist can help me out here.

Here is an absolutely marvelous page about actinolite and where to find it at Wrightwood:
http://www.highdesertinsider.com/html/actinolw.htm

Be sure to click on the arrows to find more places to look for rocks nearby

Pictures of the Pelona schist, the rock and the formation
http://oro.ess.ucla.edu/labdata/figures/subcon-fig1.gif
http://www.usd353.com/ike/4THGRADE/JFIKE/pelona_schist.htm


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« Reply #5 on: Oct 26, 02, 12:03:59 PM »
Actinolite is very different from the Pelona Schist, although both are metamorphic rocks in this area.  Schist is a rock made up primarily of the mineral Mica, and the word "schist" comes from the same root as "schism" and "schizo" which means to split.  If you have ever picked up a piece of our grey schist in town, you can often see layering and even break the rock easily with your hands, which is one of the reasons we have such spectacular slides along blue ridge.  We have a blue-grey schist as well as a less common green schist, with chlorite the main mineral component.

Actinolite is a mineral that is green, shiny, and has crystals like blades of grass.  It is typically formed along tectonic plate margins, such as the North American-Pacific Plate boundary where Wrightwood sits!  Actinolite is not nearly as common as schist, but is still easily found in and around Wrightwood.  I have read that the heat and pressure needed to form Actinolite is approximately the equivalent of placing your hand on a hot stove and parking 500 cars on top... what sadist thought of that?!!  It is my understanding, but I need to check this, that Actinolite is a more fully "cooked" version of green schist, so although it looks very different from the Pelona Schist, it may not be as different in its mineral structure as it looks.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, or add to this if you know more!  I will do a search to see if I can find some web sites on this.  I will also send photos of each to the webmaster to post!

zelicaon

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« Reply #6 on: Oct 29, 02, 10:57:39 AM »
I couldn't stand it any longer. I had to go find out if the Blue Cut was gray schist or actinolite.

Using the Naturalist's excellent descriptions and a dissecting microsope I determined from the three samples I took home that this is the typical grey-blue schist with layers of mica crystals. That is not to say that there may be some actinolite imbedded in a place I didn't get to. But I couldn't find any grass-like crystals under magnification from the rocks I found along the road.

I don't recommend too much climbing around there as the rocks are disintegrating and very slippery. There is a large chain fence that is supposed to protect the county road from the falling rocks. The color changes with the direction you approach the cut and with the time of day. Can anyone explain this?


zelicaon

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« Reply #7 on: Nov 10, 02, 12:25:24 PM »
You're welcome, KC. :D We get a great amount of pleasure from sharing the results of our research, experience and enjoyment of these marvelous mountains with others.

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« Reply #8 on: Nov 21, 13, 07:48:56 PM »
Actinolite is found in great abundance in Slover Canyon, just outside of town at the top of Swarthout Valley. It appears in the canyon as a rich green mixed crystal there. It is one of the best outcroppings of the mineral in the entire state.

In Europe, some actinolite is more blueish in appearance. Actinolite can be processed into a form of asbestos, however it is totally harmless in rock form. Asbestos is only dangerous when it is a fine powder.

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« Reply #9 on: Nov 21, 13, 09:56:32 PM »
Thank you Bill. The mineral is so pretty I always enjoy seeing it.

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« Reply #10 on: Nov 23, 13, 08:09:44 AM »
This is a great discussion. My thanks to those of you with great knowledge to share. After we bought here in P.H. I stopped collecting rocks.. I now just trip over them and my grandchildren play on them.  Do any of you know what those pretty pink ones are in the West Cajon? I've yet to find one over here.  cheryl o7o


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« Reply #12 on: Nov 24, 13, 07:07:11 AM »
Nope that isn't what they look like. But that one was sure pretty. cheryl o7o

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« Reply #13 on: Nov 26, 13, 08:32:10 AM »
Maybe you mean the kind of orangey-pink, blocky crystals in granite-like rocks?  One in a while they happen to weather out and are found by themselves.  Those are a kind of feldspar, calcium-rich if I remember rightly.  Some are a more pale candy-pink than orangey - it varies with the chemistry.  Big feldspar crystals mostly form in igneous rocks, actually the kind of igneous rocks that crystallize while cooling slowly deep in the Earth's crust.  Volcanic rock - lava that cools into flows, with few or no crystals - is also igneous, and may have the same chemicals, but has cooled too slowly to form big crystals.

My guess for the blue stuff in Wrightwood (and Blue Cut, which is along another part of the San Andreas) is that it is a slightly more metamorphosed kind of rock than actinolite.  There is a rough scale of metamorphosis that uses color, a "green facies" as opposed to a "blue facies", with the blue stuff being more metamorphosed - more highly cooked, more pressured and more torn-up and twisted - than the green kind, which is where the actinolite is usually classed.  The color is only a rough guide, but since the San Andreas runs through this part of the state, it's a slam-dunk that there is plenty of very torn up, very highly metamorphosed rock here - as opposed to places where the fault action hasn't been that strong over the centuries.  And - the more metamorphosed it is, the faster it degrades and weathers into that gooey blue clay.  The fine clay particles are what travel so far out in the alluvial fan, from the stream mouth out into the desert floor.  That's why we always know where Wrightwood is on TV airphotos - that distinctive bluish fan!

The old-fashioned way to prospect for mineable riches was to wander around with your burro and pay attention to the rocks around you.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Blue Cut name was from those times.  Fault zones are often great places to find riches.

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« Reply #14 on: Nov 26, 13, 09:13:07 AM »
You guys are such rock experts I can't believe it. The ones that Mom and I found were up along Hess Road south of the 138.. up a good ways. There's likely none left .. I think we got them all. hah! They are now in mortar steps leading down from the house.

I wouldn't call them 'orangey' looking. And, I didn't see any crystals.. but I'm no rock expert. They were pink and white.  And, believe it or not.. I had them at my house in L.A. in the garden. When I moved up here fulltime .. I moved them with me. Can you believe I actually moved rocks up here? But hey.. I didn't have any pink ones here. cheryl o7o

 

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