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Re: Self protection
« Reply #40 on: Mar 09, 12, 04:55:28 AM »
wrongone2messwith, I sent you a PM

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #41 on: Mar 09, 12, 05:30:30 AM »
Any one getting or possessing a gun needs safety training before using it.  It's important to remember that if you use a gun, never point a gun at anyone unless you plan to shoot them.  Always assume the gun is loaded.  Don't flash a weapon.  If they are in your house and you show what you have, they might have something bigger.  If you are timid in the use of guns, you may be the one getting shot.

Guns are not for everyone.  Everyone has the right to one!    Unless you are a felon.     

My father was career LAPD.  He Retired as a leutenant with 8 shootings and 7 kills.  All the shootings were justified and he received accomendations and multiple awards from Chief Parker.  Things were different in the 50s, 60s and 70s.  Joseph Walbalm was his partner for awhile and he encorpoated my father as a character into his book "The Blue Knight", using his real name.  My father tried to sue him but Joseph had changed his middle initial.  ;D

Whenever I hear someone say, they could have shot them in the leg instead of killing them, they have no idea.  When an office fires his weapon it is to KILL and they unload it.  If a policeman fires his weapon it is to KILL.  Thankfully tasers have given another avenue of subduing dangerous suspects. 

At 5 years old on the way to LAPD night at Disneyland or going to the PIKE or POP, my father would pass his 38 revolver to me in the back seat and ask me to unload it and load it again and hand it to him in a safe manner.  My mother would have had a fit!  I nearly blew my head off as an infant when my father was cleaning his service revolver.

The one piece of advice my father gave me was: "Only unloaded guns kill people".  You must always treat every gun as if it is loaded.

Most people are killed by a family member who mistakenly thought they were an intruder.  Keep that in mind folks and be safe!

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #42 on: Mar 09, 12, 02:57:46 PM »

I've been holding my tounge on this topic but it's serious discussion going on and thought I'd add my opinion / advice.

and they unload it. 

Might have been in the day, but that was not what I was trained at the LACSD training facililty when I was working out there. I got so chewed out during a live fire on the move training drill for emptying my weapon and all my magazines. The instructor got nose to nose with me and shouted, with real spit flying "there's three more bad guys in bushes, now what are ya gonna do". That has stuck with me for years, maybe it was his breath that left the impression.  ;)  Or maybe your intruder has a buddy you don't see?

If our readers don't know this man, they should, and buy his home defense book, join a range and practice...  a lot. Get additional training and read about the legal ramifications of using deadly force, even if it was justified. During one of my classroom training sessions, the instructor drilled it into our heads to always look for a way out instead of firing your weapon. The decision to fight or flight is a very important decision and can and will come up during the court proceedings that could change your life forever. This talk is serious stuff and the family of the perpetrator can sue the shooter for wrongfull death even if leathal force was justified by the DA. The jury will decide your fate, the attourneys will empty your pockets defending you.

Leo's have the legal force of the Dept. and the City or County backing them up. Law abiding citizens are on their own. Don't look to the NRA for calling in the cavelry either.

http://massadayoobgroup.com/

And some others worth looking at
http://www.thunderranchinc.com/
http://www.frontsight.com/




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Re: Self protection
« Reply #43 on: Mar 09, 12, 03:08:35 PM »
When our kids were young we camped at Lake Havasu in our motor home.  In the middle of the night, the man from the rv next door knocked on our door.  He was bringing back our younger son, maybe 6 at that time.  He had gotten up, left the motorhome and gone into the one next door.  This was the first time we were ever aware of him sleep walking and we never heard a sound.  It didn't wake his brother sleeping next to him either.

That man was a little shaken up as he had thought it was an intruder and had his gun ready to shoot. Thank God he realized in time that it was a child.  I can't imagine how any of us would have gone on if he hadn't.

Everyone has a right to protect themselves, but there is a lot of responsibility that goes along with that.  An alarm system can be an excellent way of alerting you to someone entering your house the second they break a contact.  It's a good opportunity to let the person get away very quickly.  I think it's clear from all the crime reports that we have a problem right now in Wrightwood.  It would be a good time to make our community very uninhospitable to anyone with bad intentions.  I think it is important to think first in terms of deterrence methods to reduce the chance you would ever need to use a gun.     

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #44 on: Mar 09, 12, 03:46:27 PM »
There's a sad story running on Reuter's today out of Orlando. A 17 year old walked to the local store to buy some candy. The Neighborhood Watch Captain thought he was suspicious and shot him. The child died. He was black in a mostly white neighborhood and was visiting his father. Really sad.
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Re: Self protection
« Reply #45 on: Mar 09, 12, 03:52:56 PM »
For: edssds- I'm gonna make this short...you have a point, he entered from my back door, tried again to open my back door, keep in mind I'm fenced and he made his way under the fence...lots of work to tell me my car light was on though it wasn't...he hasn't knocked yet, only came in and tried two attemp
ts to open door...hearing me saying I'm calling cops to then leave. Knock at front door with porch light on wouldve been the way to go for a normal person not there to harm me or steal from me. But you're right...he was probably just trying to make a friend. Lmao! You fail miserably in your point. Are you a defense attorney? Try again. Do me a favor, if u see my car light on, let my battery die.  Good luck and ill warn u again to stay safe and lock your doors. Defend yourself how you wish. I chose my way.

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #46 on: Mar 09, 12, 03:55:04 PM »
And sorry I didn't keep it short....guess I had more to say to you. I "think" you shouldn't give a bad person the benefit of the doubt in this case. He was there for wrong reasons. I'm "certain".

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #47 on: Mar 09, 12, 04:35:45 PM »
Interesting that he closed the door. I surprised burglars on two different occasions (in L.A.). The first time they ran out my rear sliding glass door. I walked over to close it and found my TV lying on my patio. I was fairly certain I hadn't left it there. On the second occasion, I came home and found a side door open and all my grandfather's military medals lying on my bed and my camera equipment dumped on the floor. In both instances the person/s ran and did not take the time to close the door.

Wrong2: If you don't want to go to the expense of a security system, you could hang some bells on your door that ring when the door is opened. And, some wind chimes in your windows. You can't really get past those without making noise. You can also cut those goofy musical messages that come in cards out and afix it to your door. My son did that in his bedroom, used to drive me nuts. And, hey, people here are trying to help and offer some 'food for thought' .. no reason to get personal.

Now, I'm not sure if this should be here or moved to the new 'self protection' thread.
cheryl o7o


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Re: Self protection
« Reply #48 on: Mar 09, 12, 04:49:34 PM »
Cheryl I put bells on doors. Thank you! And hilarious how u say "you r pretty sure u didn't leave it there"...I needed that laugh. Thank u for ur comments and ideas.:)

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #49 on: Mar 09, 12, 05:03:21 PM »
At the Chamber board meeting last night, the subject of security was discussed.  Someone related a comment by a burglar when asked what houses burglars stay away from -

"The ones with American flags.  You know those people have guns."

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #50 on: Mar 09, 12, 05:22:55 PM »
LOL! The guy probably had a point!

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #51 on: Mar 09, 12, 05:24:35 PM »
Thanks wrong2 (which is what I'm going to call you because I don't want to call you 'messwith').

We could start a new thread somewhere called "Exploits with thieves." I have any number of stories. Here is one and I'll try to make it short. I was missing money out of my purse. I was fairly certain who the thief was (he worked here) and I laid a trap. He fell into it. So, I told him to wait for me on the porch and I had a project for him.
I came out, dumped my entire purse at his feet and said "I want you help me find my missing $20's" He lied, then he cried, and then he fessed up. I never got my money back, but I did find a bunch of missing lipstick.. so all to the good.  That's when I got a security system up here. cheryl o7o

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #52 on: Mar 09, 12, 06:26:10 PM »
Bells and wind chimes are a great idea im going to the craft store to pick some up,it will also let me know if my teenager is sneaking in or out. :P

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Self protection
« Reply #53 on: Mar 09, 12, 06:30:12 PM »
Also wrong2 Ive been keeping watch on the house you think the perp lives in..They left Wednesday morning and have not returned yet..

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #54 on: Mar 09, 12, 06:37:26 PM »
You guys are great! A week ago I couldve been messed with let's be honest...I've gotten my brave up and refuse to fear this guy anymore. Hilarious how you dumped purse out..clever! And its sad we have to try to outsmart these guys. I took two days off work to put up barriers along the fence so I can at least see if attemt was made while I'm away from the house or next morning, and the bells were put up instantly. Thanks everyone for the offer to help. There sure are some good people here. I have to comment the women especially who have offered to actually come over if I hear him again outside my home. Incredible of you and very brave! I'm extremely honored. Want to hug each and every one of those who offered that. I can't thank you enough.

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #55 on: Mar 09, 12, 06:42:03 PM »
Cats meow....you are amazing! Lol!!! Thank you!!!!!!!! I am so impressed! Please keep it up?! There are 3 living there. One this female blonde, a guy with some weight on him, and the younger one with shaved-blonde hair. I have address but sound like you already know. Wow!!!!! :). Thank you!

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #56 on: Mar 09, 12, 06:44:01 PM »
I've got to change my name...- sounds so mean. Lol. I'm good people and wouldn't hurt a fly unless felt like I was in serious danger.

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #57 on: Mar 09, 12, 06:51:15 PM »
Wait...umm are u watchin my house? Lol. I've been gone since wed. Mine is red house on lark. Bad news house is on street just below me. From my back yard I can see his faced same way as my house faces. Fro front of his house he sees back of mine. Regardless....thank you. You are truly awesome!

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #58 on: Mar 09, 12, 06:56:01 PM »
Maybe this should go in "forum changes," but speaking of community crime...

I don't know if having an icon that shows when folks are posting via cell phone is a good idea, especially in a small town where it's so easy to know where everyone lives.  Assuming that's what that icon means, is there any way to turn it off?

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #59 on: Mar 09, 12, 06:58:00 PM »
Oh no. I do this from phone. Why is this bad tim?