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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #60 on: Feb 04, 13, 08:45:31 AM »
I guess one should have 6 month's worth of medication on hand instead of 1. . .

Seek grants  to get Wrightwood off the grid completely, with a mix of home solar and solar farms (multiple hwy 2 locations and that patch at the 2/138).

And I still wouldn't worry about it (though if you want to live here after a big quake, long term prep is a god idea).

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/138463/roger-c-altman/the-fall-and-rise-of-the-west?cid=soc-facebook-in-comments-the_fall_and_rise_of_the_west-020413

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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #61 on: Feb 04, 13, 12:45:49 PM »
So -
It seems to me a good starting point would be to encourage everyone in the area to be CERT-trained.  (And then promote every community to be CERT-trained).  We are very fortunate to have both great training and a very active dedicated group available to us.  It would be good to know your neighbors are prepared and then as an individual you can think through what additional preparation you want to take for any disaster you think you might face. 

Also, as a winter resort, we need to consider the people who could be stranded in Wrightwood if a disaster occurred during snowplay time.

Next Basic CERT Training 2013

March 9, 16 and 23 at Serrano High School in Phelan
8 AM to 4:00 PM on Saturdays
Training is free but preregistration is required
by contacting Jean Jones at 760-249-5189, jones.cert@gmail.com
or PO Box 2913, Wrightwood, CA 92397

Great suggestion KathySC..

After considering everything that has been said in this thread.... I believe that the wisest first step for me is to join CERT.   I enrolled in the March classes this morning.  :2thumbsup:

The second thing would be to bump up the amount of  time that one would need to have supplies on hand from a week or 2 to maybe 45 to 60 days.

And the 3rd thing would be to log more "tangible" evidence as/if/when it occurs  in the public domain to this thread indicating either things are getting better or things are getting worse, etc


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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #62 on: Feb 06, 13, 09:05:02 AM »
As part of my continuing efforts to get a handle on what is happening to the economy, I found a good article about Quantitative Easing

http://www.thedailycrux.com/Post/42196/-qe-for-dummies---an-explanation-of-the-fed-s-money-printing-program-anyone-can-understand

Since the fed can no longer alter the "price" of money to effect monetary policy, the only tool they have left to work with is altering the "quantity" of money.

However...   on the same site was a link to this article

http://www.thedailycrux.com/Post/42031/controversial-post--dhs-insider-warns--life-for-the-average-american-is-going-to-change-significantly--this-year

which if any of it is true, means we are dealing with something much more significant than just a sour economy.
I found it seriously depressing.  (you have to follow a couple of links to get to the interview)

The part about the medical records is true because I do that for a living.

How does one prepare for something like this?

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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #63 on: Feb 06, 13, 11:54:47 AM »
"RB: People better pay close attention over the next few months. First, there won’t be any meaningful deal about the fiscal crisis. This is planned, I mean, the lack of deal is planned. In fact, it’ necessary to pave the way for what is in the short term agenda."

Said on 12/28, three days before they ... made a deal.  This coming from an "insider" who predicted unrest due to massive election fraud last fall. And we're supposed to build a bunker based on his/her predictions now?

People have been saying the dollar will collapse since at least the Nixon Shock.  That's 40 years of paranoia -- have a lifetime wasted for anyone caught up in it.  In the '80s it was Rex 84 now it's DHS and FEMA camps.  Obviously the oligarchs have contingency plans for us, but that's not what they want for us.  They want the entire world to be America -- happily passive.

If you read up on Modern Money Theory, the fears of inflation are entirely debunked.  China needs heavy dollars to float their economy, the world still needs dollars to buy oil, and we all need dollars to pay our taxes.  Our monetary policies are certainly sub-optimal, and mostly designed for the purpose of wealth extraction, but there's no implosion looming.  It's a bit of a fiscal Mutually Assured Destruction scenario.  It's going to be the status quo for a long time, and the only goal of the elites is to make sure that it happens for as long as possible.  Read their memoirs.  The status quo means the elite stay elite.  That's all they talk about at Builderberg, and the CFR, and the Bohemian Grove, and all the other fancy places where the rulers of the world get to run around naked.



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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #64 on: Feb 07, 13, 12:33:42 PM »
Hi Tim

I'm not sure the fiscal cliff deal was completely done.... the only thing that was accomplished was a tax hike.  They kicked the spending cut side of the coin/can down the road again to March 1, I believe.

Everything I am reading says that inflation is and will be a problem. Example ...

http://www.billbonnersdiary.com/articles/bonner-american-inflation.html

I still have a lot to learn however before I would place any bets on our economic future.

 

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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #65 on: Feb 07, 13, 12:45:48 PM »
On the topic of preparedness, here is a little motivator for getting prepared.....  it describes what can happen to you and your family if you're not prepared and something serious happens.

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/how-horrific-will-it-be-for-the-non-prepper_05122012

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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #67 on: Feb 11, 13, 04:57:47 PM »

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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #68 on: Feb 11, 13, 08:06:01 PM »
*sigh* It's not internment camps. It's union busting. The unionized workers were on strike for 6 days so the ferries and ships in port could not leave, thus depriving isolated islands of supplies. The non-unionized port of Piraeus ended up sending its ferries instead. And BTW, it HAS happened here. It's called Bloomberg threatening the public sanitation workers in NYC to get back to work. Maybe he was right, maybe he was wrong; but it really wasn't the beginning of some totalitarian meltdown.

Greece is in serious trouble, no doubt. And I'm usually a union supporter. But when a piece that you quote begins with an inflated diatribe, it's impossible to read whatever reasonable conclusion it might bear.



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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #70 on: Feb 12, 13, 02:55:36 PM »
The part about the medical records is true because I do that for a living.

So how does that work viz a viz you being in compliance with the patient privacy aspects of Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPA)???

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« Reply #71 on: Feb 16, 13, 10:01:40 AM »
So how does that work viz a viz you being in compliance with the patient privacy aspects of Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPA)???

I designed the middleware infrastructure that connects our large HMOs computer systems to each other and to the new NHIEs. In the past I wrote the messaging payload standards used to transport data over these networks.  Everything we do now has a variety of mechanisms at the various layers to provide security to protect patient privacy.  Although my company goes to great lengths to protect patient privacy, once it gets into the hands of the Feds, I suspect your medical history will be no more secure than your tax returns. After all, are they going to sue themselves if one of their employees violates their own HIPAA laws. 


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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #72 on: Feb 16, 13, 10:17:47 AM »
This article sums up pretty well the consensus of thought about the impact of QE among economists that are not paid by the government.
The last paragraph gives a hint as to how one should prepare to position ones assets for the coming crisis.


By Lawrence Fuller   at SeekingAlpha.com

Dear Chairman Bernanke,

I applauded your leadership in the spring of 2009 when you employed an unconventional monetary policy tool to reverse the fear-induced deflationary spiral in stock and bond prices during the financial crisis. It was this initial bond-purchase program, known as quantitative easing (QE1), which emboldened many of us to maintain an aggressively bullish outlook at the early stages of the recovery. Yet over the past four years, the quantitative easing that began as an economic resuscitation program has transformed itself into a life-support system for our financial markets, and alongside the rapidly diminishing returns this has meant for the real economy, escalating levels of risk continue to build. While you were successful in restoring some semblance of rationality in market valuations by purchasing Treasury bonds during the financial crisis in order to mitigate fear and restore confidence, I think it is reckless to manipulate valuations beyond what fundamentals would otherwise dictate today in an attempt to entice irrational exuberance, thus engineering a desired economic outcome.

You said late last year that your economic models indicate that continued bond buying will result in an increase in economic growth, creating jobs and lowering the unemployment rate. Are these the same models that guided monetary policy just prior to the financial crisis? As economic growth was slowing in July 2007, just five months before the onset of the Great Recession, you told us that "overall, the U.S. economy appears likely to expand at a moderate pace over the second half of 2007, with growth then strengthening a bit in 2008 to a rate close to the economy's underlying trend." That forecast did not pan out.

Today, we see an economic slowdown very similar to what we saw in 2007. The rate of growth has slowed from what was 4% more than a year ago to what looks to be less than 1% in the most recently reported quarter, despite more than $2 trillion of bond purchases to date. Instead of inflated home prices in the early stages of decline, it is corporate profits and revenues that have been inflated by fiscal and monetary policy stimulus. Corporate profits for S&P 500 companies are on track to decline for a second quarter in a row. That is not a good sign for growth, considering that previous consecutive quarterly declines were followed by recession. At the same time, you are encouraging investors to take more risk.

I hope that you have a better understanding of financial market fundamentals today than you did of real estate fundamentals in 2007, considering that you have openly targeted the stock market as your primary transmission mechanism for monetary policy. I fear that you do not. Your expertise seems limited to the recognition that each time you launched another quantitative easing program the stock market would rally until the program ended. Since the growth and job creation you expected did not follow, you launched one program after another until your most recent announcement to purchase Treasury debt and mortgage-backed securities indefinitely (QEternity). Have you considered the consequences of what might happen if your models that are forecasting the growth necessary to substantiate the stock market gains we have realized to date are wrong again? I don't think you have. Furthermore, your blitzkrieg of liquidity has muffled the market's ability to flash warning signs to investors. I recognize that most investors are not concerned with the means, when the end is higher stock and bond prices, just as most Americans were not concerned with the means by which home prices were artificially inflated and rising, that is until they began to fall.

By manipulating the prices and yields of the safest securities, you have forced investors to redirect money into increasingly higher-risk investments in an attempt to simply maintain purchasing power after taxes and inflation. This has become exceedingly difficult to accomplish for those of us that do not wish to speculate or assume substantial principal risk. I understand this to be your master plan -- inflate financial asset values to create a perception of wealth that will then encourage investors to spend money on goods and services. Yet this manipulation has a domino effect across a broad spectrum of fixed-income and equity assets, and centrally planning supply and demand in what used to be a free market has consequences.

Investors look at changes in the prices and yields of different types of fixed-income securities from a historical perspective in order to receive signals about developing economic risks. The recent decline in junk bond yields to all-time historic lows of 5.9% does not seem justified at this stage of the business cycle. Given the declining rates of growth in corporate revenues and the economy, junk bond yields should be rising, not falling.

The stock market used to be viewed as a similar discounting mechanism, or leading indicator, meaning that changes in trends were a window into the economic developments that lie ahead. However, you have deafened this indicator's forecasting ability as well with your Pavlovian monetary response to every market correction. Your counterpart at the European Central Bank, Mario Draghi, has taken note. His primary focus is on keeping the sovereign yields of bankrupt countries like Spain below a certain threshold (6%) in order to give the perception that all is well. He has gone as far as to lend money, with your assistance, to insolvent banks, in order to create the artificial demand necessary to prop up prices of sovereign debt.

From my perspective, at a time when there is tremendous risk in the global economy and financial markets, we have an unprecedented suppression of the market's ability to measure or reflect that risk, because you have thwarted the pricing mechanism that rules free markets-supply and demand. You are attempting to engineer an economic outcome by manipulating the value of financial assets that should be reflections of that outcome, and not the catalysts to achieving it. The illusion of prosperity that you are helping to create is just that -- an illusion. Should real-world fundamentals continue to deteriorate, the illusion will lose its luster, volatility will soar, and financial markets will return to fair value. It is completely nonsensical to think that the solution to our economic plight is the same combination of low interest rates and abundant liquidity that led to the last crisis, especially when the primary benefactors are the same too-big-to-fail banks that built the last house of cards. It is naive to believe that they will be responsible the second time around. In fact, after the scandals at MF Global and JP Morgan, we know that they continue to be irresponsible.

The Fed is governed by a dual mandate to maintain stable prices and achieve full employment. It is also responsible for regulating our largest financial institutions and monitoring systemic risk. It is fair to argue that financial market stability is also a responsibility that falls on your shoulders, especially when you are attempting to influence market prices. Yet there has been no meaningful financial reform to date that prevents our too-big-to-fail banks from repeating the malinvestment that led to the last crisis. The excess reserves you have created, which are rapidly approaching $2 trillion, are not producing the demand for goods and services that our economy needs. They are instead being misallocated towards investment into financial markets. We have no idea what types of investments these banks hold or how much leverage is being employed.

My greatest concern is how you intend to centrally plan the smooth transition for investors from the bond market to the stock market in what is being coined "the great rotation." I see the potential for a repeat of 1994. I was a financial consultant with Merrill Lynch at that time, and vividly remember the most experienced of my piers being stunned by the extent of the losses in the bond market and the speed with which those losses occurred. I do not believe you have accounted for the loss of wealth that would result should a disorderly exit by banks, institutional investors and the investing public occur from the bond market as a result of current or future monetary policy.

If you were an investor, I would advise you to hold some of what everyone else hates -- cash. I would advise that you sell some of what everyone else wants to buy -- equities. Finally, I would recommend positioning your fixed-income holdings so as to be prepared now for a rise in interest rates and deterioration in credit quality that is as inevitable as the next stage of the business cycle.

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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #73 on: Feb 19, 13, 07:06:55 AM »
Interesting piece in the LAT today. They've conducted an audit of the Federal Reserve gold and it seems to be all there. They've also revalued its worth and increased it. cheryl o7o

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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #74 on: Feb 27, 13, 03:49:16 AM »
Emergency.... Emergency    we just had a 7.9 earthquake event along the WW San Andres Fault.

Are you prepared?

Sadly enough ... in spite of my "preaching" we are not...  i.e. finally got my first 55gal water barrell but have not put water in it yet.

Tell us, if you are not prepared, who do you think will help you in the case of a 7+ earthquake?


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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #75 on: Feb 27, 13, 06:10:34 AM »
This is an exercise!

Emergency.... Emergency    we just had a 7.9 earthquake event along the WW San Andres Fault.

This is an exercise!

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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #76 on: Feb 27, 13, 10:42:17 AM »
Thanks Wrightwood.. and Mojave please don't do that again. Besides, this is an 'economic disaster' thread.. not an "earthquake disaster' thread. Please get your disaster posts straight.

If we did have a 7.9 on the San Andreas .. anywhere near us.. we would, more than likely, not be able to communicate on the Internet.  We would probably not have telephone service.. TV would be out.. as would radio .. except for emergency radios. Except of course for our wonderful HAM operators. Elec could easily go out.. and water lines would be broken. I'm not even going to get into road access.

To bring this back to the point of this thread "economic disaster" .. I guess the 'sequestration' situation is ongoing and there are cuts coming down the pike. Witness the story about Immigration releasing low-level illegals the other day. I thought that a bit premature myself. Sort of 'shot across the bow' if you will.

But, hey.. we can all use these cuts as they may or may not come.. for practice for the real 'economic disaster' as posited by this thread.   (Sidenote to those of you following this thread: When I was up looking for Miko yesterday.. I did a pit stop at Jenson's and stocked up on Chow Mein. So, the barter rates could easily go up here if we're reduced to that.)

At this point I think John Boehner needs to channel Lyndon Johnson.. I guess we'll all see. cheryl o7o

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Re: Wrightwood Economic Disaster Awareness/Preparedness
« Reply #77 on: Feb 27, 13, 12:51:24 PM »

 

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