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ezzpete

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Home sweet Home
« on: Sep 18, 15, 09:23:21 PM »
Found this shelter while hiking.






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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #1 on: Sep 18, 15, 11:01:09 PM »
Please do not attempt to camp in it or light a fire in the fire ring. :)

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #2 on: Sep 19, 15, 07:39:03 AM »
I figured it had something to do with Grassy Hollow.  Putting that fire ring in the seems like an invitation to have a campfire. 

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #3 on: Sep 19, 15, 08:57:13 AM »

Sec 261.10 Occupancy and use.
 The following are prohibited a) Constructing, placing, or maintaining any kind of road, trail, structure,fence, enclosure, communication equipment, significant surface disturbance, or other improvement on National Forest System lands or facilities without a special-use authorization,contract, or approved operating plan when such authorization is required.


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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #4 on: Sep 19, 15, 10:58:15 PM »
Grassy Hollow had nothing to do with this structure. It was built by someone without authorization and will be removed.

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #5 on: Sep 21, 15, 07:52:21 AM »
We find these "blinds" all the time while patrolling for the USFS.  Hunters use them as camouflage on unsuspecting deer during the hunting season.  They are illegal and we tear them down when we find them.  It appears that hunters have prep the area for hunting season next month.  Please reveal the location so we can dismantle it.  From the picture it appears to be about the same place we find them all the time, up on Frost Peak.  Anybody with half a brain knows what could happen if you light a campfire in that ring, which is also illegal.

As volunteers with the USFS, we understand that many people don't realize that, while it is legal in other national forests, you can't just build a campfire anywhere you want in the Angeles National Forest.  It is illegal. We are the "nice guys" and are there to inform visitors as to the rules of our forest.  Two weekends ago while on patrol I was checking the usual places that people will build illegal campfire rings, Frost Peak, Heath Canyon Slide, Slover Canyon, etc.  At the edge of the Slide I came upon a tent with a beautifully constructed fire ring with fresh wood stacked along side it, sitting right in front of the tent.  I asked if anybody was home.  A man emerged from the tent.  I proceeded with my usual friendly instruction about the campfire ring being illegal.  I don't know if we have "idiot" written across our faces or what but he came back with a very common response:  "Oh that's not mine, that was already here".  At the same time, his girl friend from inside the tent began cussing me out.

Keeping my friendly composure I again explained that while they are welcome to camp there and are allowed to use gas or sterno stoves (with a valid Campfire Permit), you can only have campfires in established USFS campfire rings in the campgrounds.  The girl friend continued to cuss me out.  The gentleman was very nice and kept telling her to be quiet, which she wouldn't.  So I had to be a little more stern, still with a friendly smile on my face.  I said:  "Let me tell you what is going to happen.  Whether you built the campfire ring or not, you are responsible for it since it is in your camp.  You're going to break down that campfire ring and throw the rocks over the side and get rid of all that freshly cut wood, either putting it back in your truck, or throwing it over the side as well. I'm going to notify Patrol 38, Engine 338 and Edward 17 of the situation here.  Later today either myself or one of them will be back here to check to see if this ring is still here.  If it is, as you can imagine, they take illegal fires very seriously.  You don't just get a ticket.    You'll have to take a day off from work to appear before the Federal Judge in downtown Los Angeles at the Federal Courts building and he'll decide how much the fine will be up to $5,000 and possible confinement up to 6 months in jail.  You don't want to be like that guy we just heard of in the news that is going to spend years in jail because of an illegal campfire.  If you don't show up before the Federal Judge, he will issue a federal bench warrant and the next time you get stopped or your license plate is run, you'll be arrested on federal charges."

I told him:  "I'm just letting you know how serious they take illegal campfires in this forest, I'm being the nice guy. It is just not worth it."  The gentleman was very apologetic and happy that I had informed him of the seriousness of the illegal campfire ring and assured me he would take care of it.  I told him:  "You have a good day sir, it's a beautiful place to camp but it's going to get cold and windy on this ridge tonight."  I never did see his girlfriend but as I walked back to the truck she was still cussing me out from inside the tent.   ;D  The campfire ring was gone when I came back through the area.

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #6 on: Sep 21, 15, 08:02:50 AM »
We used to find these "structures" along some of the Angeles drainages (when there was water and fish) near easy to get to campgrounds.  Mostly found on flats above the water, under very old Oaks, they very elaborate with combustible roofs and most all had used fire rings inside.  Where we were, it was mostly party places judging by the cases and case of beer cans and broken bottles. 

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #7 on: Sep 21, 15, 09:44:24 AM »
Sec 261.10 Occupancy and use.
 The following are prohibited a) Constructing, placing, or maintaining any kind of road, trail, structure,fence, enclosure, communication equipment, significant surface disturbance, or other improvement on National Forest System lands or facilities without a special-use authorization,contract, or approved operating plan when such authorization is required.

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Sec 261 is part of the Title 36 CFR code.  Here is the code for illegal campfire rings: 
36 CFR 261.16 Developed recreation sites.
The following are prohibited: b) "Building, attending, maintaining or using a fire outside of a fire ring provided by the Forest Service for such purpose or outside of a stove, grill or fireplace."

Unattended or abandoned campfire:
36 CFR 261.5 Fire.
The following are prohibited: d) Leaving a fire without completely extinguishing it.

Upon coming upon these infractions an Incident Report is made, Angeles Dispatch is contacted and an Incident Report number is assigned.



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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #8 on: Sep 21, 15, 10:04:51 AM »
We find these "blinds" all the time while patrolling for the USFS.  Hunters use them as camouflage on unsuspecting deer during the hunting season.  They are illegal and we tear them down when we find them.  It appears that hunters have prep the area for hunting season next month.  Please reveal the location so we can dismantle it.  From the picture it appears to be about the same place we find them all the time, up on Frost Peak.  Anybody with half a brain knows what could happen if you light a campfire in that ring, which is also illegal.

As volunteers with the USFS, we understand that many people don't realize that, while it is legal in other national forests, you can't just build a campfire anywhere you want in the Angeles National Forest.  It is illegal. We are the "nice guys" and are there to inform visitors as to the rules of our forest.  Two weekends ago while on patrol I was checking the usual places that people will build illegal campfire rings, Frost Peak, Heath Canyon Slide, Slover Canyon, etc.  At the edge of the Slide I came upon a tent with a beautifully constructed fire ring with fresh wood stacked along side it, sitting right in front of the tent.  I asked if anybody was home.  A man emerged from the tent.  I proceeded with my usual friendly instruction about the campfire ring being illegal.  I don't know if we have "idiot" written across our faces or what but he came back with a very common response:  "Oh that's not mine, that was already here".  At the same time, his girl friend from inside the tent began cussing me out.

Keeping my friendly composure I again explained that while they are welcome to camp there and are allowed to use gas or sterno stoves (with a valid Campfire Permit), you can only have campfires in established USFS campfire rings in the campgrounds.  The girl friend continued to cuss me out.  The gentleman was very nice and kept telling her to be quiet, which she wouldn't.  So I had to be a little more stern, still with a friendly smile on my face.  I said:  "Let me tell you what is going to happen.  Whether you built the campfire ring or not, you are responsible for it since it is in your camp.  You're going to break down that campfire ring and throw the rocks over the side and get rid of all that freshly cut wood, either putting it back in your truck, or throwing it over the side as well. I'm going to notify Patrol 38, Engine 338 and Edward 17 of the situation here.  Later today either myself or one of them will be back here to check to see if this ring is still here.  If it is, as you can imagine, they take illegal fires very seriously.  You don't just get a ticket.    You'll have to take a day off from work to appear before the Federal Judge in downtown Los Angeles at the Federal Courts building and he'll decide how much the fine will be up to $5,000 and possible confinement up to 6 months in jail.  You don't want to be like that guy we just heard of in the news that is going to spend years in jail because of an illegal campfire.  If you don't show up before the Federal Judge, he will issue a federal bench warrant and the next time you get stopped or your license plate is run, you'll be arrested on federal charges."

I told him:  "I'm just letting you know how serious they take illegal campfires in this forest, I'm being the nice guy. It is just not worth it."  The gentleman was very apologetic and happy that I had informed him of the seriousness of the illegal campfire ring and assured me he would take care of it.  I told him:  "You have a good day sir, it's a beautiful place to camp but it's going to get cold and windy on this ridge tonight."  I never did see his girlfriend but as I walked back to the truck she was still cussing me out from inside the tent.   ;D  The campfire ring was gone when I came back through the area.

I dont think thats a hunting blind.

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #9 on: Sep 21, 15, 11:00:03 AM »
I dont think thats a hunting blind.

Granted, the above is not a typical hunting blind.  it is much more sophisticated than the typical hunting blind we usually find in that area.  Most are much smaller and more camouflaged using pine branches, etc., sometimes being nothing more than a wall.  But believe me, though this may have been built as a protection from the elements, some hunter will use the above structure as a "blind".  We've caught them doing this before using similar structures during hunting season.  Two weeks ago I ran into no fewer than 20 hunters already scoping out the area, getting ready for hunting season next month.  Thankfully over the past couple of years we've had a good Game Warden presence, sometimes having two at a time helping to patrol Blue Ridge, Lupine, Ball Flat and other favorite hunting spots during hunting season.

BTW,

Hunting Season for Deer...

Archery ends September 27th.  The normal hunting season in the Angeles National Forest runs from Saturday, October 10th through Sunday, November 8th.  5,500 tags will be issued.

Hunting Season for Bear...

Archery has ended.  The normal hunting season in the Angeles National Forest runs from Saturday, October 10th through Sunday, December 27th or earlier if the CDFW determines that 1,700 have been reportedly taken in the state.  The current 2015 California Black Bear harvest is at 130.

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #10 on: Sep 21, 15, 12:24:55 PM »
...it might be more of a fire ring blind.. ;D

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #11 on: Sep 21, 15, 12:46:42 PM »
Granted, the above is not a typical hunting blind.  it is much more sophisticated than the typical hunting blind we usually find in that area.  Most are much smaller and more camouflaged using pine branches, etc., sometimes being nothing more than a wall.  But believe me, though this may have been built as a protection from the elements, some hunter will use the above structure as a "blind".  We've caught them doing this before using similar structures during hunting season.  Two weeks ago I ran into no fewer than 20 hunters already scoping out the area, getting ready for hunting season next month.  Thankfully over the past couple of years we've had a good Game Warden presence, sometimes having two at a time helping to patrol Blue Ridge, Lupine, Ball Flat and other favorite hunting spots during hunting season.

BTW,

Hunting Season for Deer...

Archery ends September 27th.  The normal hunting season in the Angeles National Forest runs from Saturday, October 10th through Sunday, November 8th.  5,500 tags will be issued.

Hunting Season for Bear...

Archery has ended.  The normal hunting season in the Angeles National Forest runs from Saturday, October 10th through Sunday, December 27th or earlier if the CDFW determines that 1,700 have been reportedly taken in the state.  The current 2015 California Black Bear harvest is at 130.


Gotcha, but your first statement sounded like hunters had illegally created this, not that they may stumble upon it and use it.

I personally would avoid hunting near that if i found it, for a lot of different reasons

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #12 on: Sep 21, 15, 02:48:45 PM »
Looks like some kids play fort more than anything.

Back in the late 70's early 80's Sequoia NP rangers discovered an elaborate rock house built within the park just West of Old Army Pass.  They actually located the guy that built it and he said he'd been at it for more then 20 years.  Shortly after it's discovery the NPS blew it up. 

On the West side of the Kern trench about due West from Mt Whitney there is a place called the Chagoopa plateau  it lies on the Eastern edge of Mount Kaweah.   Many years ago there was a tree house built between six trees.  If I recall correctly it was built by the YCC.  I believe the tree house is there to this day.  It's probably pushing 100 years old or more by now. 


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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #13 on: Sep 21, 15, 04:57:36 PM »
No, this is not from hunters, not this years hunters anyway. I saw it for the first time almost a year ago, just now got around to taking pics. It's along the section of the PCT just north of Grassy Hollow. If you get to the road, you went too far.  You can see it very well from the trail, on the south side, down in a ravine. The fire ring is unused, and the whole thing looks like something you'd see along a interpretive trail.  It's so close to Grassy Hollow, that I thought it was some kind of teaching aid.

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #14 on: Sep 21, 15, 08:22:28 PM »
Two weeks ago I ran into no fewer than 20 hunters already scoping out the area, getting ready for hunting season next month.
Saw a guy in camo walking up LPC with a rifle over his shoulder and thought for sure hunting season had already started.

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #15 on: Sep 21, 15, 10:13:07 PM »
Saw a guy in camo walking up LPC with a rifle over his shoulder and thought for sure hunting season had already started.

Guys will scout ahead of time, often with a rifle in case he comes across something else that is in season

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #16 on: Sep 22, 15, 12:22:47 AM »
This not not from hunters, it was build sometime in Aug and anyway hunting is not allowed in that area.

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #17 on: Sep 22, 15, 07:47:18 AM »
This not not from hunters, it was build sometime in Aug and anyway hunting is not allowed in that area.

Maybe August 2014, but for sure not last month. Like I said I've seen it there for close to a year, and it was probably there before I saw it.

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #18 on: Sep 22, 15, 09:31:33 AM »
Maybe a BigFoot hut

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Re: Home sweet Home
« Reply #19 on: Sep 22, 15, 03:27:40 PM »
Sabrina of Grassy Hollow has surveyed the site and it appears there is also a second, Tee Pee style structure.  It appears that they were built as "forts" and not as hunting blinds.  They will be dismantled.