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Offline ForestGal

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« on: Apr 11, 17, 02:09:20 AM »
Has anyone else noticed an issue with those tiny black ants in their homes yet?  The ants are tiny and smell strongly of formic acid when you squish them.  If I don't remember to pick up my little dog's dish after she eats, I'm finding those dang ants in her uneaten food.  This only started a week or so ago.  My dog is a miniature dachshund, so I cannot elevate her food dishes, or she would not be able to reach them.  And, I cannot find any trails of ants, so I can't even figure out where they are entering the house. 
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« Reply #1 on: Apr 11, 17, 02:24:07 AM »
I haven't seen any this year, and hopefully won't. A few years ago one of those tiny black ants bit me on the ankle. It hurt quite a bit right when it happened. But when I woke up in the night it felt like I had been beaten on my whole leg with a big hammer. It was terrible, and hurt for a few days.

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« Reply #2 on: Apr 11, 17, 02:34:16 AM »
Has anyone else noticed an issue with those tiny black ants in their homes yet?  The ants are tiny and smell strongly of formic acid when you squish them.  If I don't remember to pick up my little dog's dish after she eats, I'm finding those dang ants in her uneaten food.  This only started a week or so ago.  My dog is a miniature dachshund, so I cannot elevate her food dishes, or she would not be able to reach them.  And, I cannot find any trails of ants, so I can't even figure out where they are entering the house.

You could try drawing a circle around her bowl in chalk.

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« Reply #3 on: Apr 11, 17, 03:07:58 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: Apr 11, 17, 03:43:22 AM »
I have some of those Terro ant baits, and they worked wonderfully, when my ant issue was near an upper kitchen window.  (Not my fave thing to have ant poison in my kitchen bay window above the sink, but they really work!)  I have since had that ant entrance sealed off.  I can't stand the thought of putting them on the floor, or near my little Heidi's food.  It just seems awfully early in the season to be seeing them yet, but it has been a wet winter....

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« Reply #5 on: Apr 11, 17, 03:49:00 AM »
I haven't seen any this year, and hopefully won't. A few years ago one of those tiny black ants bit me on the ankle. It hurt quite a bit right when it happened. But when I woke up in the night it felt like I had been beaten on my whole leg with a big hammer. It was terrible, and hurt for a few days.

Wow Pete, you must have had a terrible allergic reaction to that ant bite!  The ants I'm talking about are so tiny that I didn't even think they could inflict a bite on a human. Those nasty larger red ants that I find in the driveway, are another matter.  Oh well, I do love spring!   :sunny:

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« Reply #6 on: Apr 11, 17, 03:58:38 AM »
hmmm...maybe it was spider bite

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« Reply #7 on: Apr 11, 17, 02:35:31 PM »
I guess it was an allergic reaction, and it was definitely one of the tiny black ants. When I first felt the bite, I saw it. I didn't think a tiny thing like that could do much, but wow! I've also been bitten by the big red ones. They give me a bump about 3 inches in diameter that feels moist to the touch. Pretty bad, but nothing like I got from the black one.

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« Reply #8 on: Apr 11, 17, 03:43:09 PM »
We spray the perimeter of the house regularly. I also use Simple Green on the kitchen counters and around the pet dishes. So far, so good.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 11, 17, 04:39:37 PM »
Better get one of those expensive Epi pen (though there are cheaper generic ones)

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« Reply #10 on: Apr 11, 17, 06:53:55 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions for the chalk and the Simple Green.  I don't think either of those would be toxic.  My dog is just so low to the ground, and she loves to sniff everything, that I need to be very careful what ends up on the floor.  (Good thing that neither of us seems to be allergic to dust, heehee!)

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« Reply #11 on: Apr 11, 17, 11:31:36 PM »
I sometimes have issues with ants in my dog's food. Ants will not walk across Vaseline. I put a ring of it around the outside of the bowl and no more ants in the food. Its nontoxic, doesn't dry out, and lasts until you clean it off. 

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« Reply #12 on: Apr 12, 17, 12:07:40 AM »
I have large dogs, but the issue is the same with ants and bird feeders, areas near BBQs, and trash cans.  But, once I saw how my dogs would get into the little liquid bait stations, I started burying them - placing the bait holder in a large metal can with a lid, and with lots of holes punched in it.  Then I put a very large, flat rock on a paving stone over that, in an area where I pass through a lot and would see if it were disturbed. 

Then I didn't feel that this was taking care of the ant problem.  After a little reading, I discovered that some ants like sweet sugary items, and some like grease or meaty foods.  (I found a trail of ants in my kitchen attacking a bottle of prescription cough syrup, of all things.)  So I went with a commercial mix of diatomaceous earth - a white chalkish substance, not toxic, and available in lots of places by itself - which had powdered borax in it.  This can be a little toxic, and I was going to make my own bait, so I dug the same kind of hole, placed a three-inch length of plastic pipe in it with the openings at top and bottom, filled in enough dirt around its outer shell to keep it upright, and put bait food into this pipe, with the powdered borax/diatomaceous earth squirted in a circle around it.  Then I capped the whole thing with my paver and rock.  My dogs never bother it.

This mix of borax and DE is only good for three or four days, and then must be reapplied.  Rainy weather makes it weaken faster, dry weather makes it last a little longer.  If the ants seem to be gone - this worked pretty well for me - then I need to remember to clean out the old bait, lest I feed any survivors.

Inside a house, the DE can be applied by itself.  It's inert, but is a light dust that will get spread around, so don't use so much that the floor feels slippery.  If your doggie gets a sniff, she will decide that it's boring and tastes funny.  If she sniffed up a bunch, it could get to her lungs and give her a cough, but so could powdered cinnamon or lots of other nontoxic things.  It doesn't irritate paws or nose.  Let her know you want it left alone.

The baits I use most often in my station:  old tortilla chips that were fried in lard, or the aforementioned cough syrup.  I guess other sweets would work, but I resent giving them anything nice.  Anyway, putting the syrup on a paper towel makes for easy cleanout later.

I absolutely agree about the Simple Green.  If you have the unfortunate experience of waking and finding several hundred ants when you walk into your kitchen, spray the usual diluted spray all over them - it stops them in their tracks, and then they can be wiped up without stings.  It seems to deter them from coming back to that part of the room, a little - at the very least, it must be good at breaking up the molecules of their pheromone trails.  But it can be a little corrosive on aluminum and maybe more, I think, so don't think of it as a pesticide that can be sprayed and left in puddles on surfaces (as my hubby tried to do).  Wonderful stuff, though.

If you have room for an inconspicuous, outdoor buried bait station, it really works.  They carry the poison back to the queen, who dies, and they lose their source of egg laying.  They can hatch or adopt another queen, but it takes time, and keeping the numbers down improves the odds against kitchen invasions.  And in the meantime, the bait and borax powder are away from the house.  Give this a try if you keep having ants despite the premade bait stations.  The borax/DE mix comes in a white plastic bottle, about a quart size, with a squirt-type cone nozzle.  It didn't cost too much.

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« Reply #13 on: Apr 12, 17, 06:50:08 PM »
I put the cat food dish into a larger dish filled with water - the ants won't cross the moat.

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« Reply #14 on: Apr 13, 17, 06:37:37 PM »
Another thing ants absolutely don't like is cinnamon powder. The won't cross that stuff.
And - I heard, but did not try - DE (diatomaceous earth - the stuff in your pool filter) should work the same way.

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« Reply #15 on: Apr 20, 17, 12:54:30 AM »
Thanks for all the informative suggestions, everyone!  I learned a few things from several of you, ideas that I had not heard of before, to deter the little buggers.  I have not had an issue for several days now, except for one lone tiny ant on the kitchen floor this afternoon, nowhere near Heidi's feeding station, and it went to ant heaven as soon as I noticed it.  I will definitely refer back to these comments as the summer progresses, and I am being totally on the lookout near where the dog eats. 

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« Reply #16 on: Apr 20, 17, 06:31:48 PM »
I take up the dog dish after he eats. If he doesn't finish his dinner within an hour.. the dish is el gonno. Now that he is older.. his eating habits have changed a bit. Sometimes he'll just walk away from his dinner. I'll try to lure him back.. and remove the dish if he doesn't eat it. He doesn't seem to be starving.

Ezzpete.. If I were you.. I might talk to my doctor about what antihistamines you should keep on hand if you get a bite. It does sound like you're allergic.  Benedryl spray works great for me if I get a bite.  And, you may want the pill form as well. I've never had a reaction like what you described. Just local swelling and itching. That is annoying enough. cheryl o7o

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« Reply #17 on: Apr 21, 17, 03:09:23 PM »
Cheryl o7o  I have tried some children's Benadryl for the red ant bites. It does seem to help with the itching. I try to stay away from Drs. since all they seem to do is push pills. I always keep some of the Benedryl around because a few years ago my dog got a bee sting on the lip. He went into shock, and I was camped out in the desert, so I kinda freaked out. I had internet so I looked it up and that's what a bunch of people recommended. I hightailed it into town and got some. I gave him a little shot and a few hours later he was almost back to normal. He still snaps at bees though.

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« Reply #18 on: Apr 22, 17, 04:41:02 PM »
I get immediate relief with the Benadryl spray. Yikes! You were camped in the desert with a dog going into shock. Quick thinking on your part to get him aid immediately.

My worst experience with bites was when I was attacked by yellow jackets. I was out in the early morning watering my garden before work. I evidently disturbed them and was swarmed. I was bitten three or four times before I could get to the house. My neck started to swell up. I convinced my doctor to take me in quickly. He gave me a shot... the swelling went away. I also called Vector Control and they found the nest I had disturbed and removed it.  I remain thankful that none of my neighbors were out early enough to see me ripping my clothes off in the front yard.

And, just a reminder that it's rattle snake season and this year is supposedly worse than others. I just gave our dog his rattle snake booster. And, tomorrow we're spraying the perimeter of the house again for ants. I do that a bit more often than the manufacturer says you need to do. It dries quickly and doesn't affect the animals here.  It does deter ants.  cheryl o7o

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« Reply #19 on: Apr 22, 17, 08:50:56 PM »
Merlinsilk and anyone else,

Please do not use Pool grade Diatomaceous Earth! It is heated to harden the structure and will cause health problems you do not want. Pool DE recommends you wear respiratory protection when using the product. What I prefer to use is Food Grade DE. It is safe for humans and pets so if you want to consume it, you can. Just put a spoonful or two in a glass of water or on your pets food... Sorry off topic. Now back to DE, the purpose is to cut or wear the exoskeleton of the pests you are trying to eliminate which will cause them to dehydrate and die. This is the only product I will use in public areas because its just dirt.