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Is this just a replacement for the Fire Fee/Tax that got repealed?

http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/forum/index.php/topic,17850.msg319548.html#msg319548

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The fire fee lawsuit was dismissed it was not repealed.

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They did not discuss the Fire Fee we are paying even though we have a FD in our community..

The parcel tax is higher than the "adjusted" fire fee.

I couldn't tell by the article if this parcel tax was in addition to the fire fee.

Our supervisor's comments seem "thoughtful" but most of the fires are exacerbated by the environmentalist policies and legal action and the lack of preventative forestry--IMHO!

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Our supervisor's comments seem "thoughtful" but most of the fires are exacerbated by the environmentalist policies and legal action and the lack of preventative forestry--IMHO!

Which environmental policies?

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Some excerpts:

Research and adaptive management are essential in allowing fire?hazard?reduction projects to move forward where proposed projects are met with uncertainty and mistrust. While legislative reform may be desirable, a strategy that is not entirely dependent on new legislation is needed.  Building on existing programs that are consistent with a science?based strategy will enable land?management agencies to better utilize information in pursuit of the overall objective of reducing uncharacteristically severe wildfires.

Fortifying the forest: thinning and burning increase resistance to a bark beetle outbreak and promote forest resilience.

Remember the Lake Arrowhead fire, i believe it was determined that the extensive destruction was a result of their local mandate not to cut or trim the existing forest and the fact that there was no thinning created competition for water resulting in weakened trees making them more susceptible to Bark Beetle infestation and the increase in the number of dead or dying trees resulted in exacerbation of the fire damage.

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Forest Service Environmental Appeal Responses

This site contains information about the Forest Service's Environmental Appeals. An appeal is a request to an agency higher authority for review of an environmental decision.

General Information: For general information about the environmental appeals process, please refer to the Related Information links.

Appeal Decisions: Recent and historical appeal decisions are available on this site and are organized by the unit managing the project.

Please use the map or drop-down lists to view the Forest Service's appeal responses issued from projects taking place in the Washington Office (at the national level), in region-level units, or in forest-level units.

You may navigate directly to a Regional Appeal Response page using the following drop-down list, or by clicking on any of the Forest Service Regions on the map:e.g. R5 Pacific SW Region

Forest Service Appeal Responses for R5 - Pacific Southwest Region

An Environmental Appeal is a formal request to an agency higher authority for review of an environmental planning (NEPA) decision. The public's rights to file an appeal are defined in specific appeal regulations. Usually, all administrative processes must be exhausted before a person can bring a court action (litigation) against with a NEPA decision. This usually includes the filing of a formal appeal.

215 Appeals: These appeal NEPA decisions related to specific projects.
217 Appeals: These appeal NEPA decisions related to the development and amendment of Regional Guides and Land and Resource Management Plans (LRMPs).
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The "Fire fee" we paid was to CalFire and went to Sacramento.  It had and has nothing to do with the funding of our County Fire Department. Only CalFire benefited from the replacement for funds that state legislature decided not to fund any more.

County Fire was alwaysthe red haired step child of the County Services.  We existed on a funding mechanism that did not allow for funding a fire department that met the needs of a rapidly growing county.  The services we enjoy now....staffing that allows a timely response with professionals and equipment comes at a price and a change of attitude at the BOS.  It was not that long ago that our station was staffed with one firefighter and we waited to respond until the paid call firefighters could respond (remember the fire sirens in each end of town)  I spent many a year as a Captain alone in the station here until the cross staffed ambulance got back from the hospital because we only had three on duty.  Now we have a staffed paramedic ambulance and a staffed Paramedic Engine (Captain-Engineer and Firefighter) that can also provide critical care or fight fire when the next emergency comes in back to back.

Folks will have to decide what level of service they want in the future and how long they might willing to wait when they have an emergency.  $12.75 cents a month is something I'd be willing to pay to keep what we have fought for and demanded over the years. 

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I agree with Jim and I'd pay more to ensure adequate staffing and equipment. The fire fee we all paid went away in a trade between state reps for their votes on 'cap and trade."  Those monies were pilfered by the state anyway. They were supposed to go for mitigation as discussed in The Hallmarks messages. The Jarvis lawsuit was either dismissed or dropped.

It also makes sense to me to do something about the rule that paramedics have to stay with their patients until cleared by hospital staff.  Ambulances and paramedics can be caught in ER admissions for hours.

I'm unclear about the procedural issue that was mentioned in the article. cheryl o7o

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Cheapskate, I agree with you too. I don't know if this expansion of the parcel tax would be required to go to the voters.

Does anyone know why the levy wasn't applied to all parcels back when it was created?   Cheryl o7o

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Funny....most of the travelers who might use our services (car fire, medical aid, car crash) are not staying in hotels out here.  They're traveling from the Southland to points east.  We get some money from the Feds called In Lieu of Taxes for the vast area of the county that is federal land where they pay no property tax.  It is why for years we had fire stations with hour and forty minute response times on the way to the river.  There's not much there in the In lieu money. We've always treated folks no matter where they are from or what they are doing (The ski area is good example...90% of our patients do not live in our county)  I do know that this would give the department a allocated revenue stream rather then trying to pry it out of the general fund.  I do know that I pay a heck a lot more for schools, road bonds and such then I pay for fire protection on my property taxes. 

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"...this would give the department an allocated revenue stream rather then trying to pry it out of the general fund."

Will parcel taxes fully fund county fire? If not, the general fund shenanigans continue...

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If you ever wondered just what your Fire Department does or faces in their day to day operation....grab a chair and watch this very well put together overview of the San Bernardino County Fire Department.  Fire Chief Mark Hartwig was one of my Paramedic/Firefighters in the beginning of his career here and we knew he was someone special back then.  Well worth the time to watch.

www.facebook.com/SanBernardinoCountyFire/videos/2068368140043779

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This is proposed in addition to the Fire Fee we already pay each year? Did anything ever happen with that fire fee or is it still going to be charged?

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Re: To rectify County Fire budget, supervisors eye parcel tax - FP-5
« Reply #16 on: Aug 15, 18, 04:05:26 PM »

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Re: To rectify County Fire budget, supervisors eye parcel tax - FP-5
« Reply #17 on: Aug 15, 18, 06:16:36 PM »
Proposed County FIRE ASSESSMENT meeting. The flyer about the meeting indicates it is about "Service Zone FP-5 Expansion". This expansion includes an annual assessment of $157 for all properties in the unincorporated area of the County (with a 3% annual increase built in). This will NOT be on a ballot for a vote unless 25% of property owners in the County mail in a protest after receiving the notice in September. If less than 25% of the property owners protest, the expansion and $157 assessment will go into effect. Attend the meeting to get all of the details.

(Borrowed from Mountain Rim Fire Safe Council notice about yesterday's meeting in Lake Arrowhead)

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Re: To rectify County Fire budget, supervisors eye parcel tax - FP-5
« Reply #18 on: Aug 15, 18, 07:32:37 PM »
Is this for vacant land too, or just improved parcels?

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Re: To rectify County Fire budget, supervisors eye parcel tax - FP-5
« Reply #19 on: Aug 15, 18, 08:04:58 PM »
All properties.