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Offline sagespirit

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #20 on: Feb 11, 21, 01:05:38 PM »
Thank you MNM. It is very disturbing to read a number of the responses here.
We humans are the most dangerous animals on earth. I am far more leery of humans than any other animal. I am more concerned about someone kidnapping or abusing a child than I am about a Puma hurting a child. In a lifetime of living in various environments, with wildlife from the ocean to residents of canyons, and the wilds of the North, I've rarely been threatened by an animal other than a human.
We are in this wildlife environment, encroaching on the other lifeforms within, not visa versa. Their species have been around a lot longer than ours. They are not filled with ulterior motives to harm us. They are simply looking to eat and survive...and are curious. They are intelligent beings.
It is our responsibility to watch out for our children and the other life forms...dogs cats, etc. we bring into the environment.
When I first moved here, the ravens would swoop down from their next in a tree only 12 feet away from my house, and try to pick up my dog. I didn't shoot or poison them. They are highly intelligent animals that live up to 20, sometimes 25 years. I studied about them, and started communicating with them. They stopped. We made peace. They now alert me to certain goings on.
I think we forget how many being from the sky can pick up any one of animals or a small child at any time. I've had body parts, unfortunately of a cat I knew who was allowed to be out, fall out of the sky, inches from my head one time. A very hard experience. Owls also are great hunters of small beings. Cats, allowed to be outside, go missing all the time.
I walk my dog, always on a leash, 4x/day. I have to as I do not have a fully fenced yard. I trained my cat to walk on with a halter, years ago, and he does not go out unless he is on the halter and a lead, on the porch with me, lead in hand.
When I first moved here, about 7.5 years ago, Coyotes ran freely through the property and I'd see them carrying prey in their mouths up Acorn, et. al. I've seen almost none since our extreme drought followed by the fires. I've never been afraid of them, as they are shy beings, unless they are in their pack.
A Bobcat lived across the street for a number of months. We had to pass it every time we went out. We made peace right away, It never threatened my dog, although it was stealthy enough to kill the gorgeous adult raven while it was on the ground. It even let me walk with it, alone,  for about a block once. It was amazing...and a privilege.
I love Squirrels. They are very intelligent and can remember up to 10,000 places they've buried their nuts. I can't even count how many times I've had to remove their warm corpses from the streets because some human doesn't pay attn and doesn't care about killing a Squirrel. It is often thought that Squirrels are dumb because they don't run when a car is coming their way. But running is the opposite of what their defense patterns are. When they are under threat, from land or sky, they stop, flatten, attempt to blend in (which they do) and stay absolutely still so the hunting animal does not spot them. It's fascinating. I've watched them dozens of times. My dog doesn't go after Squirrels. They coexist perfectly.
And, by the way, how many times have my dog and I almost been hit walking because humans/drivers don't pay attention? Sometimes, in the winter, I wear 3-4 different brightly colored scarves, along with a multi-colored hat to stand out and we still have to watch very carefully.
If the Puma is putting their head in a person's cat door, secure the door. It is no excuse to harm another animal.
I've lived in many environments, in different parts of the country and the bottom line is human are the most dangerous and destructive animals there are.
We are privileged to live here. To me, one of our responsibilities is to learn about the wildlife we cohabit with.
Listen to the animals you have. My cat and dog always alert me when their is another animal on the property. Also, I watch my dog carefully when we are out. There had been times when we've turned one way on our street at night...a normal route...when he stops, smells the air and ground and turns around. He knows better than I if danger is about and I follow his lead.
Yes, take in your animals at night if possible. Leave lights on outside. Make noise before and when you go out of the house at any time. Noise is a big deterrent to most animals including humans.  I always walk w/a hiking stick or ski pole esp. to make noise. I'm an expert shot but haven't carried my gun with me in years and don't want to. And, when I did carry it, it was to protect myself against humans.
The idea that we, as humans, can just do anything we want because we live here, is false and dangerous. To me, respecting, and learning about the animals around us is a big part of our cohabiting with them. We are very careful....just as we would be if we were in the city and alert to humans wanting to make us a target. Neither my animals nor I have had any unfortunate encounters with wild animals here. We have had unfortunate encounters with humans who refused to keep their dogs on leashes when walking.
I am VERY uncomfortable with making the Puma a villain. There are way too many people here, and around the area, who would buy into a story that the Puma needs to be "taken out" and "take out" their guns. There are so few left of these magnificent animals.
We humans are supposed to be intelligent animals, yet we so frequently treat all beings, who have survived as species much longer than we, as not having any intelligence, which is completely erroneous.
Let us be grateful this Cougar and offspring are alive. Let us do what we can to mitigate its' desire and/or need to be closer to the village. Let us take responsibility for our own behavior. And, let us be alert to our environment and the dangers it holds...not just from other non-human beings, but human beings. Thanks for listening.

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #21 on: Feb 11, 21, 01:24:13 PM »
Maybe just carry pepper spray instead of a gun.  It's supposed to be very effective and less likely to do damage to someone else if you miss. 

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #22 on: Feb 11, 21, 02:24:41 PM »
sagespirit that was an excellent post and summed up my own thoughts better than I could have, thank you.

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #23 on: Feb 11, 21, 03:33:15 PM »

I would never kill any wildlife.  My dog is only outside when I'm outside.  However I am thinking I need a dog I can out run..

It's evident there's a lot of city people living in rural areas. 

One thing I remember about Wrightwood is the dogs outside barking all night.  Anyone that leaves a dog out all night shouldn't have one. If you're a good dog owner your dog is probably following you around like a shadow.   


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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #24 on: Feb 11, 21, 04:30:25 PM »
Nicely said, sagespirit. ?
And there are a lot of city people who move to rural areas, and have no idea how to deal with wildlife.
I have more of a problem with people who let their cats go outside than I do with wild animals. Today, I had to chase off 2 domestic cats which were sitting under my bird feeder. I have 2 cats, but they never go outside. If you let your cats outside, you may as well just name them "Snack." They won't last long. Coyotes love them.
My dogs don't ever go out without me and my stun gun, either. Otherwise, I would be an irresponsible pet owner. And I walk them at least once/day.
And I never leave the doggie door unlocked. That would be just asking for trouble. Dogs, cats, and other animals would get out, and get in.



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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #25 on: Feb 11, 21, 05:34:08 PM »
Excellent post SageSpirit!  Well done!!!  :2thumbsup:

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #26 on: Feb 11, 21, 06:35:57 PM »
Hey those of us who live down here in the city chased them back up over the mountain to wrightwood where they belong, in the mountains, not the city. 

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #27 on: Feb 11, 21, 06:41:00 PM »
Good information here:

https://cougarconservancy.org/

Maybe some helpful information.  :)

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #28 on: Feb 11, 21, 06:53:53 PM »
In the fifty years I lived in Wrightwood, lions were always here.  They've always been secretive for the most part.  I recall seeing several Lions in town when returning back from calls late at night at the fire station.  I now live in Bellevue, Idaho and we have lots of wildlife that lives in and around this area.    We used to respond to lots of folks scared because a black bear was on eating their bird feeder or in the trash they left out the night before trash day.  Here's an article from the local paper about the influx of Mountain lions and what folks can do to mitigate human/Mountain Lion conflicts. 

https://www.mtexpress.com/news/environment/f-g-reports-uptick-in-lion-sightings-encounters/article_903e06ca-6cc0-11eb-8294-b37157a3db66.html#utm_source=mtexpress.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnewsletters%2Fheadlines-2%2F%3F-dc%3D1613090181&utm_medium=email&utm_content=read%20more

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #29 on: Feb 11, 21, 09:08:53 PM »
My father is retired from law enforcement. He told me if you see a mountain lion and think you or your property or your children or anyone may be in danger, you have every right to -and you should- call 911.  They have the power to get whoever needs to get out there immediately.

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #30 on: Feb 11, 21, 09:13:29 PM »
"They've always been secretive for the most part." That seems to be the key sentence. I'll take you at your word that you've seen lions in town driving back from fire calls. Back when I didn't work from home (340 days ago!) for decades I habitually returned drove home at night, seen critters small and very large but never a puma. Are you discounting the worry of the those who claim seeing this and claim that it is unusual? Cool heads should discuss a solution, but I find their testimony worrisome.

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #31 on: Feb 11, 21, 09:45:18 PM »
I used to walk my dogs almost every night, often as late as midnight. I have been followed by coyotes, seen a couple of bears, and yes on two occasions seen a mountain lion. One time down by the school and the other time over on Lark. A bit like some kind of phantom wanting no part of me and two large dogs, but still a little unnerving. Unfortunately the dogs are gone now.

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #32 on: Feb 12, 21, 06:37:34 AM »
"They've always been secretive for the most part." That seems to be the key sentence. I'll take you at your word that you've seen lions in town driving back from fire calls. Back when I didn't work from home (340 days ago!) for decades I habitually returned drove home at night  seen critters small and very large but never a puma. Are you discounting the worry of the those who claim seeing this and claim that it is unusual? Cool heads should discuss a solution, but I find their testimony worrisome.
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I was in the worst day of your life business for thirty plus years and spent a lifetime assessing immediate risk (whether from environmental, human, situational or other factors) to my crew and the public.  Before that, two consecutive tours in a remote part of Viet Nam where assessing all of the above was important.  My kids still call me Safety Dad.  I never have felt like our family or my crew was ever in a dangerous position from any wildlife by living here or recreating in the area.  I remember helping John Paulik load up the Mountain Lion hit by a car that now is displayed at Grassy Hollow Visitors Center back in the 70's (which impressed me greatly...it was a young male who was all muscle).  I simply offered an example of how my new community in Idaho is dealing with living with very large wild animals like Elk, Deer, Moose, Coyote, Bobcat and Mountain Lion in an urban interface area.  They do have Wolves that have been seen within our County.  Like here, not everyone is keen on sharing space with things that eat meat.

Have had horses for over 45 years and although we saw tracks on the driveway, we never had any kind of encounter or problem other then other peoples dogs running loose.    Fact is....the village has been losing dogs and cats since November 1970 when Chris and I moved to our first home on Upper Lark.  I've lost chickens to a Bobcat and to a neighbors dog. There has been no reported attacks by Mountain Lions or documented ones that I ever heard of or had reported here.  Many years ago, a local homeowner killed a Black Bear in the village after putting a chicken coop in his yard.  He used a .22 rifle when the bear broke through the chicken wire and there was quite a stir.  The bear was just reacting to an attractive buffet and the homeowner responded that he was protecting his property.

My advice is for folks to do their due diligence before walking around with with a locked and loaded weapon in their neighborhood.  Talk with the folks who are the experts on wildlife behavior.  Educate yourself on what the risks really are. Have someone from Game and Fish present a program in the village. Do the research on the internet relative to living with large predators.  Have the phone number of Game and Fish handy and report sightings and changes of lion behavior that is out of ordinary.  Keep their pets where the many predators, both on the ground and in the air, will not have access to them. 

I sure wouldn't get real worried about living in Wrightwood with the wildlife that lives among us.  They just want to go on with their lives unmolested....just like us.

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #33 on: Feb 12, 21, 08:45:58 AM »
Whoa - If nothing else this topic I posted got some responses.
Yes, we live in the mountains and the Mountain Lions have been around long before us.  I don't want them shot but do fear that a young child might be
taken which would be horrible.

I haven't heard of any sightings over the past 2 days but will still say PLEASE BE CAREFUL.

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #34 on: Feb 14, 21, 03:55:25 PM »
https://www.mountainlion.org/FAQfrequentlyaskedquestions.php

ABILITIES
Mountain lions can:
    Bound up to 40 feet running
    Leap 15 feet up a tree
    Climb over a 12 foot fence
    Travel many miles at 10 mph
    Reach speeds of 50 mph in a sprint

WHAT DO MOUNTAIN LIONS EAT?
Opportunistic hunters, mountain lions typically hunt alone from dusk to dawn, taking their prey (primarily deer) from behind. On average, a lion will kill a deer about once a week. They also dine on coyotes, raccoons, rodents, elk, feral hogs, and even porcupines. They may drag the meal to another area and cover it with dry leaves, grass or pine needles to protect the food from other animals and to reduce spoilage. A mountain lion may return to feed at the site over a period of several days.

HOW CAN I PROTECT MY PETS AND LIVESTOCK FROM MOUNTAIN LIONS?
If you live in or around mountain lion habitat, it is wise to bring your animals indoors at night. Although still a fairly rare occurrence, domestic animals can be an easy meal for mountain lions and other wild predators. Mountain lions hunt primarily at night and unprotected pets, sheep and goats are easy prey. Most pets and livestock do not have the skills to protect themselves and are dependent on people for their safety. The threat to domestic animals from mountain lions can easily be avoided by modifying animal husbandry practices.

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #35 on: Feb 14, 21, 04:42:14 PM »
"HOW CAN I PROTECT MY PETS AND LIVESTOCK FROM MOUNTAIN LIONS?
If you live in or around mountain lion habitat, it is wise to bring your animals indoors at night. Although still a fairly rare occurrence, domestic animals can be an easy meal for mountain lions and other wild predators. Mountain lions hunt primarily at night and unprotected pets, sheep and goats are easy prey. Most pets and livestock do not have the skills to protect themselves and are dependent on people for their safety. The threat to domestic animals from mountain lions can easily be avoided by modifying animal husbandry practices."


Good information based on facts from years of local study of Mountain Lions.  Those last two sentences are pretty simple.  Should give folks some real world facts to work with. 

This had always has been pretty low on my threat radar and remains so.  I worry more about Coyotes-Bobcats-Hooligan Raccoons-Owls (and domestic dogs roaming) then Mountain Lions.  My only hope is that I get to see one in the wild here in Idaho. 
They live all around us here in the Wood River Valley.  I've got my 400mm lens fixed and hope to capture an image.

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #36 on: Feb 15, 21, 12:14:31 PM »
Thanks to everyone who has posted, and brought to light, factual and educational information to help us understand, and live with, our forest beings. I forgot to mention that when I take my dog out at night, out of necessity, I not only carry my hiking stick or ski pole, but I have a headlamp on and often some sort of illumination device on my dog. As I reported before, I always watch my dog's reactions, esp. to smell, and sound. And, I am on high alert: scanning w/my headlamp and listening for movement and eyes that light up i the night. So far, the only animals that have rushed me have been dogs off leash.
Jim, good to "see" you here and I hope you are able to get a photo of the Mountain Lions in your new home. I know you will share them with us.
Thanks again, to everyone who has added to our knowledge of these magnificent creatures. sagespirit   

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #37 on: Feb 17, 21, 03:24:50 PM »
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Not going to post any pictures but last night the Mountain lion killed one of our goats. She was at least 100lb goat. Please watch your pets ! We have had our goats for 10yrs. and never had a problem.

Note: This is in the Ash area of Wrightwood

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #38 on: Feb 18, 21, 07:44:02 PM »
So sorry to hear about your goat, Debra. It's always a shock.
I trust if you have more than one goat, the others are now in "protective custody" at night.
Again, I am sorry for your loss. sagespirit

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Re: Mountain Lion sightings
« Reply #39 on: Feb 18, 21, 08:32:36 PM »
More info from the Humane Society in a bulletin re: the most trophy hunted animals in the U.S. I just received.
Our Puma is reportedly w/her offspring in WW.
Mountain Lion kittens depend on their mothers until they are 2 years old. So, our Puma's kitten is not just traveling with her, she/he is dependent on her while she/he is learning to survive in this world.
Further, when a mother lion is killed, her inexperienced kitten typically starves to death or dies due to predation by other animals.
Again, let us all keep alert, and keep ourselves, children, and pets out of harms way. Let us keep this mother and kitten safe as well and cohabit peacefully. Gratefully, sagespirit

 

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