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Offline SNOW

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Re: Hot water question
« Reply #20 on: Apr 21, 04, 10:47:45 AM »
All that crud in the bottom of the tank can sure reduce the heating efficiency.

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Re: Hot water question
« Reply #21 on: Apr 26, 04, 10:31:02 AM »
This weekend the Riverside press had a major article on tankless water heaters. Seems to be the new trend for the future. Costs about 1200 dollars including installition but almost maintenance free . Sounds good even for a don't wanna be flatlander.

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Re: Hot water question
« Reply #22 on: Mar 03, 05, 07:41:23 PM »
how hard are the comfort series instant hot water systems to install can any one install them or do they havt to be installed by a plumer?

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Re: Hot water question
« Reply #24 on: Mar 04, 05, 02:48:21 AM »
Here are some FAQs for the tankless water heater advertised on KFI.
http://www.noritzamerica.com/faq.html

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on demand water heaters
« Reply #25 on: Sep 21, 06, 02:14:12 PM »
Does anyone have the tankless water heater (on demand) installed in their home?  Looking into purchasing one just wondered how well they worked.  Also the brand you may have.  Thanks


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Re: on demand water heaters
« Reply #27 on: Sep 27, 06, 11:45:01 PM »
We have 2. One is a Bosch... the other one we just bought for our addition. Cant remember the name, and I am currently at work... so can't look at it.

We love them, and would highly recommend them. Takes little space, and easy to install. If the pilot blows out , you click this thing and it lights by itself.

They output a lot of hot water, and an endless supply.

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Re: on demand water heaters
« Reply #28 on: Sep 28, 06, 07:56:45 PM »
how long have you had these things?  does the gunk in the water here clog em up after a while? i am bery intrested

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Re: on demand water heaters
« Reply #29 on: Sep 28, 06, 10:07:16 PM »
I have a tankless waterheater and from November to the end of May, I can't get a hot shower!!!

Even though the waterheater is right next to the bathroom with the shower, the water is so cold coming out of the ground that the unit cannot heat the water quickly enough. I shiver through showers all winter and you can just forget about a hot bath.

A couple years ago, I discovered that if I do a load of laundry at the same time, the unit will kick into high gear and I can get a warm shower. But I don't have enough laundry to do that for every shower.


Also, I have to heat water to do my dishes all winter.

I would not EVER recommend one and hope to replace mine eventually.

In fact, maybe I'll go take a hot bath right now while the ground water is still warm enough...

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Re: on demand water heaters
« Reply #30 on: Sep 28, 06, 10:15:39 PM »
we have an electric one in our guest house.  When it is used it dims the lights and uses lots of eletricity.  It is hot hot hot.  We like it because we have no gas line out there (it would involve jackhammers and lots of money). I didn't want a tank water heater on all the time.  There is lots of time when its not used.  It needs 220. We like it alot.

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Tankless Water Heater
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 08, 04:21:19 AM »
Our gas water heater has been running since 1991 (!) so I expect it to go soon.  When it does, I'm thinking about whether or not to replace with a gas tankless water heater.  Our place only sees use on the weekends, so I'm hoping that would save money in the long run.  Anybody have any experiences?

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Re: Tankless Water Heater
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 08, 04:41:15 AM »
This topic was discussed previously - it may help you out. 

Topic: Water Heaters, Softeners, and Filtering Questions 

Just do a search and it will come up. 

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Re: Tankless Water Heater
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 08, 05:35:21 AM »
Read this, some tanks still outperform tankless....

http://greenbuildingelements.com/2008/04/30/low-impact-living-the-low-down-on-tankless-hot-water-heaters/



Moderator note: This topic was combined with two other previous topics about the same subject.

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Re: Tankless Water Heater
« Reply #34 on: Jun 16, 08, 05:01:40 AM »
Thanks for merging this with the other related posts.

I'm still debating which way to go on this one.  My biggest reasons for going tankless would be that the 40 gallon tank is a bit small and there's no room to get a 50 gallon in there.  Also, mine doesn't see regular usage 24/7.  Probably the biggest argument against the tankless water heater is that you don't have the 40-50 gallons on standby in case of an emergency.  Reading about cold showers in the winter, I can't help but to think that they just have too small of a tankless water heater.  If I go tankless, I'm sure I'll need a bigger gas line and a bigger vent stack, but those are relatively simple issues to deal with given the location of the water heater.

I'll probably give one of the local plumbers a call soon to take a look at options.

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Re: Hot water question
« Reply #35 on: Sep 01, 08, 11:46:50 AM »

Tankless water heaters don't always reduce energy bills
Don Bartletti / Los Angeles Times

Improper installation or product sizing can get in the way of any instant energy savings. Before installing, consider all the specifications.
By Scott Marshutz, Special to The Times
August 16, 2008
STEVE BROWNELL has a dim view of his tankless water heater, and he's in denial about his utility bills.

Three years ago, the Irvine resident installed the heater in his 3,000-square-foot, single-story home with the goal that the unit would pay for itself fairly quickly through lower gas bills and provide an endless supply of hot water.

"At the time, I was thinking it would be a total utility savings -- gas, water and electric," Brownell said.

Think again. Instant energy savings aren't necessarily guaranteed. Although manufacturers estimate that tankless gas-type water heaters can save between 20% to 50% on annual gas bills compared with standard tanks, improper installation or product sizing can extend the payoff time. Also, large homes with long pipe runs may require additional equipment to speed up hot water delivery to fixtures and actually drive up energy costs. This was the case in Brownell's situation.

He paid a plumber about $2,500 for the installation, which included increasing the size of his gas line, adding a carbon filter and the tankless water heater itself.

Soon after, he noticed it was taking an extremely long time for the unit to deliver hot water to his master bath shower. By Brownell's estimates, almost five minutes. He had another plumber install a recirculation pump to reduce the time, but he said it didn't help much.

After he placed several phone calls and sent a letter, the manufacturer dispatched Gabe Meier of Santa Ana-based Meier Plumbing to troubleshoot the problem.

The reason it was taking so long for Brownell to get hot water to his shower, Meier said, was that the lines in the master bathroom branch 10 to 15 feet off the main water supply line, which stretches more than 75 feet from the water heater. To fix it would require opening up a wall and extending the circulating line closer to the shower -- an extra $1,000, according to Meier. Because Brownell's master bathroom contains high-end custom stone and glass block, he elected not to have the work completed.

Even so, Meier was able to troubleshoot other areas and improve the hot water delivery.

"The recirculation pump was too small for the size of the home, and it didn't have an aquastat," Meier said, referring to a thermostat that turns off the pump when the water in the pipe reaches a certain temperature. "So we upgraded the pump and added the aquastat."

Meier also added a timer to shut the pump off for a preset number of hours and cut down on electricity usage.

Although all the extra work has helped reduce the time it takes to get his hot water, Brownell said his dream of lower utility bills has become a recurring nightmare. "I'm not saving anything," he said. "In fact, I'm paying more for all three utilities."

Most tankless installations do not incur these types of problems, Meier said, but because Brownell's house is 3,000 square feet and the pipe runs are long, the recirculation pump was necessary. "When you estimate a tankless water installation, you won't know the exact distance of the pipe runs from a main water line to the master shower, for example, without doing some extra research."

With that in mind, before having a tankless water heater installed, here are some questions that manufacturers recommend consumers consider:

* Is your plumbing contractor licensed in California and certified by the manufacturer to install the product? Most tankless water heater manufacturers provide a list of plumbing contractors authorized to service and install the units on company websites.

* Has your contractor sized the tankless water heater properly so it can serve the correct number of fixtures in your home?

* Will you need a Category III stainless vent pipe, or will the unit be installed on the home's exterior?

* Will you need to increase the size of your gas line? Tankless water heaters typically require a 3/4 -inch gas line.

* Depending on your community's water quality, will you need a water softener or another type of filtration device to protect the tankless unit from hard-water deposit buildup?

* Will you need a recirculation pump (or comparable system) to reduce the amount of time it takes to deliver hot water to your faucets and fixtures?

To encourage tankless water heater sales, Southern California Gas Co. implemented a $200 rebate program last year. For the first five months of the program, the utility recorded only 560 rebates. But as more manufacturers get on board, the number of tankless water heaters being installed in Southern California appears to be brisk.

"Our records indicate that 3,897 units have been installed so far in 2008 in our service territory" based on rebates, said Denise King, public relations manager for Sempra Energy, parent company of Southern California Gas Co.

The rebate program, which is scheduled to end Dec. 31, does not track customer satisfaction. Consumer Reports, however, will be reporting on tankless water heaters in October

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Re: Hot water question
« Reply #36 on: Sep 03, 08, 10:21:29 PM »
Does anyone have a receommendation to fix my water softener? YoMama does not work on them. Thanks.

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Re: Hot water question
« Reply #37 on: Sep 03, 08, 11:09:36 PM »
A traditional tank water heater is still the easiest -don't have to think about it or do anything- answer to having 40-50 gallons of always fresh water on hand for an earthquake. It's foolish in fault country to have anything else. It is constantly refreshed. Does not need storage chlorine. And should already be strapped in place securely!

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Re: Hot water question
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 09, 05:52:03 PM »

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Re: Hot water question
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 09, 02:17:21 PM »
Jirka, Just read your post and went on-line to read about demand pumps.  I was wondering if, by putting this under the bathroom sink, lets say, if you pushed the button will it pump it to the kitchen sink or shower faster also, if that is the faucet you open up?  I'm having a hard time undersatanding how it would do that.  Sounds like a great thing to install, as we have a tankless water heater and that is my biggest gripe about it.  It takes a while to get hot water to the shower and bathroom sink. Thanks for posting this information.