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GARY

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« on: Jul 04, 07, 02:29:48 PM »
Quote from: storm on Jul 04, 07, 12:41:50 PM
If I catch morons shooting off fireworks in the levee tonight, who do I call?  911?  Some other agency directly?  Thank you...

Where is the levee located?? 
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clint

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« Reply #1 on: Jul 04, 07, 02:32:38 PM »
There is no levee. He means the flood control channel for Heath Creek.
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storm

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« Reply #2 on: Jul 04, 07, 03:44:19 PM »
When I look up levee in Wikipedia, it seems that the watercourse I'm talking about isn't exactly a levee, but what's your definition, Clint?  What makes it not a levee?  Terminology is important to me because I don't want to mislead my students every week.  I will endeavor to call it a flood control channel in the future. 

Gary--there's a channel that was excavated in the 1960 that diverts mudslide runoff from the north side of Blue Ridge in Heath Canyon.  Heath Canyon can be found basically at the ends of Oak and Elm Streets here in WW.

(anyone--please feel free to correct my locality description)
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sintetizador

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« Reply #3 on: Jul 04, 07, 03:56:59 PM »
A levee is similar to a dam. We don't have any levees in southern california that I know of.
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storm

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« Reply #4 on: Jul 04, 07, 04:00:18 PM »
Perhaps a levee runs along an existing waterway.  The flood control channel is the existing waterway that's been excavated to allow for a larger volume of natural debris to flow away from my tent instead of over it. 
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 05, 07, 07:30:32 AM »
If you first try 911 and cannot get through, then try the Wrightwood Fire Station, the next alternate phone number is: (909) 822-8071 which is San Bernardino County Fire Communication Center
Try 911 first!!

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Storm probably picked up the description of the levee from scientific papers prepared over the years. In the June 1984 report "The Effects of the 1857 Fort Tejon Earthquake on Trees Near Wrightwood California", Geologists Kristian Meisling & Kerry Sieh refer to it as an engineered levee of Heath Creek.

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clint

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« Reply #6 on: Jul 05, 07, 10:31:06 AM »
Refering to something by a certain name doesn't make it so. I can incorrectly call a bear a beaver, I can even publish a paper and refer to a bear as a beaver. It doesn't make the bear a beaver. People call Jeruselem Crickets, Potato Bugs. They are not. Never have been. Always  been wrong, always will be.

A levee contains, controls, restricts, or directs flowing water in a river. Particularly rivers that tend to flood. i.e the Missouri, Mississipi. We have levees in California up on the Sacremento delta. None that I am aware of in So Cal.
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Hillbillies

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« Reply #7 on: Jul 05, 07, 11:24:11 AM »
Has anyone ever driven their Chevee to a Levee ..... ???
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angelwolf326

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« Reply #8 on: Jul 05, 07, 11:50:17 AM »
Clint, smile, be happy....... 

 ;D

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clint

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« Reply #9 on: Jul 05, 07, 11:55:59 AM »
I'm smilin and happy.

And Hillbilly, I tried to drive to drive my chevy to the levee a long time ago but the darn levee was dry.




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angelwolf326

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« Reply #10 on: Jul 05, 07, 11:57:20 AM »
LOL   :D
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 05, 07, 12:55:09 PM »
Clint in this case the State of California, San Bernardino County Flood Control and Dr Morton all agree that it's a levee and have documented it time after time.

Page 30 of this State report:
http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/mudflows/76StateMudRpt.pdf

Page 12 of the Morton report:
http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/mudflows/79MortonMudRpt.pdf

There are a number of levees in Southern California:
http://www.brainygeography.com/types/CA.levee.html

More levees in Southern California:
I spent a good amount of time studying water flows in the Lower Colorado River area of California near Blythe. The irrigation system used in the area is one of the most effective in the world as it's primarily gravity feed throughout the valley. The system relies on 100's of miles of canals with man made levees directing the water through the valley. That irrigation system is recognized as using levees by every federal, state and county expert that I encountered in legal briefings, hearings and court transcripts over the years.

I think it's very safe to say that the area that storm was referring to is indeed  called a levee.
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 05, 07, 01:02:42 PM »
In light of the fact that I teach at an outdoor science school, I am certain that I can't go wrong referring to the place as a flood control channel, which is what I'll call it from now on, especially when I'm with my students.  Folks here at the school always call it a levee, and traditions have a sneaky way of entrenching themselves, for better or worse.

Levee has been banned from my local lexicon!
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clint

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« Reply #13 on: Jul 05, 07, 02:01:51 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 05, 07, 02:39:53 PM »
Quote from: Surfer_Dude on Jul 05, 07, 02:30:15 PM
Wikipedia is not a source that can be cited.....

Its a good source when quick information is desired but if you trying to prove a point or win a bet. I sure wouldn't rely on it.
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« Reply #15 on: Jul 05, 07, 02:46:17 PM »
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GARY

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« Reply #16 on: Jul 05, 07, 06:28:30 PM »
Jesus, Mary and Joseph.........all I asked was where the levee is located.  I didn't mean to start a dictionary war.
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« Reply #17 on: Jul 05, 07, 06:36:36 PM »
Quote from: GARY on Jul 05, 07, 06:28:30 PM
Jesus, Mary and Joseph.........all I asked was where the levee is located.  I didn't mean to start a dictionary war.

Make sure to not ask anything controversial  ;D
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 05, 07, 09:09:22 PM »
This is getting a little competitive, ;D  but - Wrightwood, that article you posted about the leaning trees is pretty interesting.  Do you have the rest of the article you can post in the appropriate section?

Back on topic - I've always just call it the "wash".  Not to be "controversial"! :o
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 05, 07, 11:03:30 PM »
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This is getting a little competitive, ;D  but - Wrightwood, that article you posted about the leaning trees is pretty interesting.  Do you have the rest of the article you can post in the appropriate section?

http://www.wrightwoodcalif.com/mudflows/SanAndreasCajon.pdf
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