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GRAHAM_RANCH

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Fuel breaks of the past
« on: Nov 02, 09, 10:08:07 PM »

Photograph by Dennis Nadalin)
The Lone Pine Canyon today from Devore

What had occurred in Lone Pine Canyon should be termed "Operation Fire Break."

Lone Pine is now our eastern fuel break, it is not the time to be complacent. Regarding fuel breaks, one of the reasons they were able to hold the fire of about 16 years ago that threatened from Pinon Hills is the old FUEL break that was constructed by us Chilao and Valyermo hotshots back in the 70's across Pinon Ridge/East Table Mountain. It was a good one hundred feet in width and all underbrush and limbs up to 8/10 feet on the trees were removed. It wasn't in good repair when that Pinon Hills fire threatened Wrightwood, but it was there.

Some people have worked on getting a significant fire break constructed on the east end of the Swarthout Valley (Lone Pine Canyon) for the past ten/fifteen years...and got no results. They've even pushed to have San Bernardino County tie in a new Lone Pine Canyon route on top of it. Since then, and to present day, word has not been heard from the present County supervisor (Brad Mitzelfelt, 1st District Supervisor)... one can only hope that the county is now "studying" these proposals.

The back fire activity in Lone Pine Canyon suggests that the county waited too long to address the fire break issue and in a last ditch effort did the only quick response: back fire. Some have speculated that the firing operation influenced the Sheep Fire that was already burning towards the community of Wrightwood. Even though the recent fuel modification operation worked great in reducing fire spread south of North Lytle Creek Ridge, it wasn't working a tinker's nickel on the other side. As a result of the back fire operation, the watershed in the Lone Pine Canyon was mostly destroyed...the drainage through the valley will carry damaged soil, ash and silt down to the Santa Ana River drainage, which in turn will affect the water supply further down. Money and forest resources would have been saved, had the proper fuel breaks been put in and maintained in the first place. 

The recent close call to Wrightwood is fresh in the minds of many. Many other forest residents have the opportunity to request fuel breaks and other safety factors to be put in place, in preparation for fire season. This includes the residents and property owners in Wrightwood. Here, residents have the opportunity to request fuel breaks and an alternate road (route of safety), and the USFS has to, by public law, honor the right of way through Forest Service lands for such a  fuel break and road.

In the past, county officials have said that the Forest Service doesn't want to give up lands...... they don't have a choice and if enough pressure is brought by the community of Wrightwood, it can happen. Mammoth received the right of way through the Forest Service land for a new "escape road" out of Mammoth (north and then east) several years ago. (The route is called the Mammoth Scenic Loop). And they got it done through public pressure. The time is now to push for these changes here, and in other forests: fuel breaks and escape routes.

In Wrightwood we need to build, first the fuel break of 200 to 300 feet width from the "S's" of upper Lone Pine to an intersection with either Wright Mountain Road, or perhaps coming out in the "levels" (just north/east of Wright Mt. Road), then as the money becomes available, a new Lone Pine Canyon Road tying it to Hwy 2 at either of those locations. All of these issues should not only include the construction of them, but the continual maintenance of them in the future. The discussion of fuel breaks have been very active since 1965. Angeles National Forest Baldy Disrict Ranger Anselmo Lewis even commented in his writing that people complained that the fuel breaks along ridges were not pretty. He wisely commented that fuel breaks were not a beautification project, but an important tool of protecting lives and property due to the spread of fire.

Recent environmental studies reported that there was no way to grade the effectiveness of fuel breaks; they report that fuelbreak prescriptions varied with width, fuel reduction and maintenance standards). The same was said with the varying locations in which they were placed, I.e. fuels, topography and microclimate. They added that the objectives and expectation of fuelbreaks varied because the intensity of the wildfires approaching them varied.  The same environmental reports did come up with an interesting conclusion: The weakest link in a fuelbreak program was found to be maintenance. The main factor accounting for the poor performance of fuelbreaks in California was the lack of brush maintenance. Without proper maintenance, fuelbreak effectiveness decreases over time and an un-maintained fuelbreak led to a false sense of security among residents and fire suppression personnel. Fuelbreaks had to be maintained to remain effective, but that required long-term funding. (study by Wildland Fire Operations Research Group, 12-2007, Colleen Mooney) By approximately 1980, the construction of fuel breaks in Southern California, for the most part, stopped. Even though they previously worked for the most part, they were stopped. It was just recently that in some areas, fire fighting agencies were reminded about the importance of fuelbreak through devastating wildfires.

You want protection from fire without going through the drastic means of what happened in Lone Pine Canyon? Put some pressure on your county officials and the Forest Service and get the change done. That will assure forest resources for us and our children, and protect the livelihood, property and provide personal protection for those who live there. 

Will we learn from the lesson of Lone Pine Canyon, or continue to let forest management and fuel modification projects go unheeded? Rest assured...more property will be lost and more forest resources will be destroyed if we don't push for a change.

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #1 on: Nov 03, 09, 09:24:32 AM »
Though I generally find your posts about our local history interesting, I take exception to this post. As someone who has been involved with the Wrightwood Fire Safe Council for over five years, I, and I am pretty sure that others involved in the WFSC, find this post offensive. Members of the Council have put in hundreds and hundreds of volunteer hours in an effort to reduce the fire hazard to our community. We have developed great relationships with all of the federal, state and county agencies that deal with our area. These agencies are usually well represented at our monthly public meetings and very responsive to any questions or concerns that are addressed to them.

You can correct me if I am wrong, but I cannot recall ever seeing you at one of our public meetings, including our last meeting at Big Pines, where the Sheep Fire was discussed in great detail and depth and where a large group of agency representatives were on hand to answer any questions. Your call for people to push for change and that fuel modification projects go unheeded rings hollow and are not supported by the facts, which you would be aware of if you took the time to attend our monthly meetings. The Lone Pine Canyon and Boundary Ridge fuel modification projects in all likelihood slowed the fire down enough for the firefighters to save our town. Those projects were a cooperative effort involving the San Bernardino National Forest and the WFSC.

Please do not distort the facts of what actually occurred during the Sheep Fire. Hellish winds and weather conditions fueled a fire with behavior never observed before by long-time veteran firefighters. The fire jumped Lone Pine Canyon Road heading north as if it was not even there, so the road you talk about trying to get constructed on the east end of town would probably have had little effect on preventing the fire from reaching the town. The vast, vast amount of damage to the watershed in Lone Pine was done by the wildfire itself, not by the backfires, as you claim.

I hope it was not your intention, but nevertheless your post does a great disservice to the heroic efforts of the firefighters that saved our town and to the WFSC and the agencies that we work with so hard to keep our town safe. I believe your Monday morning quarterbacking and talk of speculation does much more harm than good and most likely would not be necessary if you took a small amount of your time to attend the WFSC monthly public meetings.

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #2 on: Nov 03, 09, 09:50:48 AM »
I appreciate your response on this manner...and sorry that you missed my point on what I wanted to share. This write up included  a lot of interviewing forest service folks tha tI have known over thirty years, some of who were on this incident. I have absolutely no doubt the time and effort that the WFSC put in to make this community safe, as well the corporation you guys are getting from the local government. My statements are not aimed on how the fire was fought, and knowing first hand about firefighting in the forest service...I will never belittle any of the efforts the fire crews applied. Especially the amazing stand on Helicopter Hill. My only intent was to point out the importance of fuel breaks, a valuable procedure that used to be part of fuel modification and fire prevention.

In my opinion, the back fire operation was absolutely necessary in this incident...but it wouldn't have to be applied had properly maintained fuel breaks been in place. That would of saved much watershed, resources and the drainage problems that we will face. It would of been less costly of a fire operation, also, it the breaks were in place. That is all I meant to convey.

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #3 on: Nov 03, 09, 11:49:52 AM »
I couldn't agree more with BostonBob's posting as your commentary from a position of hindsight undermines the cooperative process that has been taking place since the Wrightwood Fire Safe Council (WFSC) began in 2003 .

The Lone Pine Canyon, Boundary Ridge and ANF's Wrightwood Fuel Modification projects all had public comment periods that were announced in the Mountaineer, WrightwoodCalif.com, WFSC website, SBNF & ANF websites. Could you please share with us the comments you or the other forest service interviewees submitted regarding these projects? Also include any responses from SBNF regarding suggestions for the fuel breaks you mention.

The projects were designed to offer protection for the community of Wrightwood by creating a fuel buffer. The projects mitigated the risk by breaking up and reducing continuous brush fields. Existing fuel breaks were reopened where possible to establish control points along the edges of the units as needed, however some new lines were created where there is no existing line.

We've attended workshop after workshop to increase WFSC's knowledge of fuel modification projects. These educational meetings were conducted by private and agency experts in the field of fire and fuel management and  their topics always included the most current data available. Each time that fire breaks were discussed it was made clear by the experts that unless a fuel break was at least 1/4 mile wide, it would do very little to slow a fire down, especially in a wind driven event.

The suggestion of fuel breaks of 200 to 300 feet falls 1,000 feet short of what experts suggest as being a minimum for an effective fire break. Lone Pine Canyon surely couldn't have 1,300 foot wide fuel breaks as there isn't enough room and the canyon would be scarred forever.

With very careful planning the Lone Pine Canyon and Boundary Ridge Fuel modification projects substantially reduced fuel loads and slowed the forward rate of spread.

It's a shame that those criticizing the efforts to do fuel modifications  and breaks in the Lytle Creek and Lone Pine Canyon areas did not attend the Sheep Fire presentation at Big Pines. SBNF FMO Mike Wakowski, who was acting IC during portions of the Sheep Fire, presented a powerful slide presentation with aerial photography on why the fuel modification projects were so effective.

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #4 on: Nov 03, 09, 02:06:18 PM »
From the WFSC Website:


4/30/2004
Documents for the proposed fuel reduction plan in the Lone Pine Canyon area are now available.

Cover Letter: http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/documents/LonePineCoverLetter.pdf

Proposed action: http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/documents/LonePineProposedAction.pdf



8/10/2004 Final Document for the Lone Pine Canyon Fuel Reduction Project
( pdf file - 2.4 meg )
http://www.incidentcontrol.com/firesafe/LonePineFuelReductionFinal.pdf


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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #5 on: Nov 03, 09, 02:59:58 PM »
WW,  Any chance of getting the Powerpoint as presented for those of us who couldn't get there?

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #6 on: Nov 03, 09, 03:06:17 PM »
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WW,  Any chance of getting the Powerpoint as presented for those of us who couldn't get there?

I've been working on it but not sure how it will be without the narration. We do have the audio narration but it may be difficult to make available due to size.

I was also called today and asked about putting on the presentation again and it's being considered.

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #7 on: Nov 03, 09, 03:29:08 PM »
Did anybody film the meeting? As an alternative idea, some cities do this routinely for their council meetings and then have tapes, or I guess now DVDs, available at the library for checkout and return. Just a thought.

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #8 on: Nov 03, 09, 03:30:08 PM »

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #9 on: Nov 03, 09, 03:31:10 PM »
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Since then, and to present day, word has not been heard from the present County supervisor (Brad Mitzelfelt, 1st District Supervisor)... one can only hope that the county is now "studying" these proposals.

Why would a SB County Supervisor intervene regarding federal land being administered by the SBNF and proactively involved in well thought out fuel management program?

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #10 on: Nov 03, 09, 03:33:11 PM »
lagomorphmom the meeting was not video recorded but a good quality audio recording was made.

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #11 on: Nov 03, 09, 06:41:16 PM »
Did anybody film the meeting? As an alternative idea, some cities do this routinely for their council meetings and then have tapes, or I guess now DVDs, available at the library for checkout and return. Just a thought.

Or maybe the Wrightwood Fire Safe Council could sign up for their own youtube channel and post meeting videos/other informative videos for all to see.   :thumbs: 

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #12 on: Nov 04, 09, 08:38:00 AM »
Jason,
Maybe you could assist us on this setting this up.

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Or maybe the Wrightwood Fire Safe Council could sign up for their own youtube channel and post meeting videos/other informative videos for all to see.

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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #13 on: Nov 04, 09, 08:51:33 AM »
Here's a page full of Lone Pine Canyon fuel treatments that greatly contributed to Firefighters making the stand that saved the community.

http://www.wrightwoodfsc.com/LonePineBurn/

Mosaic patterned fuel modifications were designed to provide fire breaks without clear cutting 1/4 mile wide dozer trails. The mosaic left vegetation for wildlife and erosion control and were intentionally cut at right angles to the I15 so it didn't appear to be clear cut like dozer trails.


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Re: Fuel breaks of the past
« Reply #14 on: Nov 06, 09, 08:53:30 PM »
Jason,
Maybe you could assist us on this setting this up.


Sounds good.  It will eventually happen.  =]