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roynlorimoore

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Agenda 21
« on: Jun 03, 12, 12:24:32 PM »
I would like to have all of you research a little about Agenda 21 adopted back in 1992.  I have read several articles in regard to what it is and what it will do.  I would like to hear other peoples opinions and ideas.  I had to go to several websites to read and try to understand.  There is also a lot about the Executive Order 13575 recently signed by Obama.  I didn't realize that so many Executive Orders are signed (by both Republican and Democratic Presidents)  This is not intended to be a Democrat or Republican bashing conversation.  What I would like to see are other peoples opinions.

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #1 on: Jun 03, 12, 12:26:26 PM »
So why don't you tell us what the heck "Agenda 21" is for starters?

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #2 on: Jun 03, 12, 12:40:14 PM »
Nevermind... A short google search and I figured it out. These grand plans are often adopted to try to put us all on a 'better path" .. and then
it becomes dotting the 'i's" and crossing the 't's' time and numerous other treaties, etc.

So, do you have a concern here?  If so,, spell it out.

And, yes... Presidents do adopt Executive Orders.. hence the term came about. best, cheryl o7o

p.s. Sheesh, I didn't realize the John Birch Society was still around.

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #5 on: Jun 03, 12, 07:10:47 PM »
Interesting points TimG... but I'm off to watch 60 minutes because its second segment is about U.S Nazis .. then I need to wash the dishes.
later, cheryl o7o

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #6 on: Jun 04, 12, 01:06:23 PM »
I honestly wanted to know if anybody could tell me a little bit about what their thoughts were on plan of action, as I see it called - Agenda 21.  Until the response by tcaarabians, I didn't even know what the John Birch Society was so I certainly can say I wasn't posting on their behalf.  I knew that presidents sign Executive Orders, I am not a stupid person.  I was speaking of that actual order itself (ya know, what it the order itself is - not "hence the term") It's these kinds of responses that make me hesitate to post on this site.  Seems alot of members here like to treat eachother poorly and make smart a$$ remarks.  Thanks neighbor 

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #7 on: Jun 04, 12, 01:32:11 PM »
Ok,, fair enough. You felt insulted somehow. I'm sorry if I insulted you. I did take the time to google 'Agenda 21.' I responded that I thought it was one of those 'agendas' that come out of meetings that try to
establish a new protocol for planning. I asked you if you had a concern .. you haven't responded to that question.

I was surprised when I read the accounts on google that the John Birch Society was still around. Oh,
it was named after the first soldier killed in Korea .. if I remember that right. And, I guess, they've expressed'concerns about Agenda 21. There was no accusation towards you about being a Bircher. And,
no insult towards the Birch Society as they may now be constituted. Heck if I know. They were totally
anti-communist during the Korean campaign  and later.

So, kiddo.. if you want to launch a discussion about this... tell us what your initial thoughts are about it.
And, I really don't agree with you about members here treating each other poorly and I'm sorry you
feel that way.

Oh, if you do decide to share your concerns.. aside from giving us a research project... could you explain
why you think its a problem? Or, conversely, why you think its the best thing since sliced bread?
I remain your neighbor in respect. cheryl o7o

 

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #8 on: Jun 05, 12, 10:37:23 AM »
I do dislike responding to myself. But, since I've now had the time to watch the you tube Mojave posted and
read a bit more... I thought I would. Thanks for that video Mojave. Aside from the Santa Cruz elected official, I wasn't sure of the identity or affiliation of any of the other speakers..

I hadn't read anything about "Agenda 21" before roynlorimoore's post. So, thanks for bringing it to our
attention. Its time for you to chime back in here. I was aware of those U.N. actions.. but not in detail.

First I want to say that I don't think its a conspiracy for a one-world order. But, I'm open to argument on
that front.

Second, we do need to address all the issues of 'sustainable development' in our world. Its how we
go about it that remains the question. And, I guess those are the issues that are being raised by
those in opposition to 'Agenda 21' (you'd think they could have come up with a better name,, it just
sounds so 'Nazeeish.') I, for one, will not be reading 'Agendas 1-20".. tho I'm sure the various drafts
would make a great dissertation for someone.

Where does this leave us for now? Hmmm. Interesting question Cheryl (sometimes I talk to myself),
Well, nowhere is my take. The nations represented at the U.N. approved a resolution to try to
move toward internal policies within their countries that/could/might/maybe address the issues of our day. Baby steps.

Do we need to go to "Red Alert" status because private property is going to be taken away? I don't
think so. Do we need to recognize we should work with other nations to begin to adopt policies that
diminish pollution and the reliance on fossil fuels, address health concerns, address poverty.. and all
the rest?  I do think so.

As I said previously, its all in the dotting of the 'i's" and crossing the 't's" and its really just
baby steps forward.  Tho, I am beginning to think that the new septic tank rules in CA are
a part of this plot. Perhaps I'm being a "smart a$$" again. cheryl o7o



 

 


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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #9 on: Jun 06, 12, 02:03:31 PM »
Ah ha! I am certaianly going to read up on this! Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #10 on: Jul 15, 12, 11:01:39 AM »
The more I dig into this, the scarier it gets.  There is a link explaining Agenda21 near the end of the article.

http://occupycorporatism.com/obamas-latest-executive-order-implements-agenda-21-policies/


So... if I am interpreting the "plan" correctly...   Inflate the dollar, forcing more and more folks onto government entitlement rolls.   Then control their healthcare.  Once people can no longer afford their rent,  the government  offers to relocate you to FEMA camps...   and bingo, the population is controlled a la Agenda 21.

They cant get away with this can they?  Or is our current generation X to ignorant to see this coming?  After all, Gen X and later are "educated" by the "government" now a days.   Looks like we will have to change the Pledge of Allegiance to start as "We the Sheeple....".


What happened to our free market society, our Constitution, Capitalism?  Is it too late to turn this around?
 

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #11 on: Jul 15, 12, 01:46:35 PM »
Best video I have found to date about how UN's Agenda 21 is impacting local communities.
It may even explain what is going on behind the scenes wrt San Bernardino County's attempt to take over "blighted mortgages" by eminent domain.  The speaker is an eminent domain expert for the state of california among other "things". A bit long but very entertaining  and scary informative.   She introduces a new term I have never heard before .... communitarianism: for the good of the community, individual property rights must be abolished.


Buckle your seat belts...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/CEHWsdimVO4

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #12 on: Aug 04, 12, 08:57:37 AM »
I am not very educated, or very aware of my surroundings, and have a strong distrust in our government.  I am not a sheep and I can tell when someone is trying to pull the wool over my eyes!  How many people have to give an inch before the government has their mile?  My hope is that this generates some more educated responses.  The first two reasonable, informative responses get a free chimney sweep!

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« Reply #13 on: Aug 04, 12, 09:00:20 AM »
Oops!  That didn't come out right!  I AM aware of my surroundings!  My secretary /wife got it wrong!

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17,000 Lost Property Rights in Kings County, Washington
« Reply #14 on: Aug 05, 12, 11:30:16 AM »
Yesterday, out of 30 people I encountered, none have heard of Agenda 21.  17,000 people in Kings County, Washington lost 65%of the use of their land,  which makes me curious if they heard of this before it happened.  1,500 people in Dade County, Florida have already completely  lost their property due to Sustainable Development (Agenda 21).  Could Wrightwood be next?  I am not a computer person and therefore do not know how to  put a link for you, but if you go to You Tube and look under Agenda 21 EXPLAINED - full version,  this one really explains it so anyone can understand. ( A little lengthy, but worth the education).  It starts off about an elderly lady who got arrested because her lawn was dying, and  another lady that is facing 90 days in jail for growing a vegetable garden in her front yard.  Please take time to learn about this!  Thanks!

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #15 on: Oct 15, 12, 08:41:50 AM »
There's an interesting piece on Agenda 21 in the LA Times this morning.

Dusty Wagoneer

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #16 on: Feb 01, 13, 10:48:17 PM »
pretty interesting information on Agenda 21
(taken from the website (democrats against agenda 21) http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/index.html

SOUNDS LIKE SCIENCE FICTION...OR SOME CONSPIRACY THEORY...BUT IT ISN'T.

UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world.     INVENTORY AND CONTROL.

Have you wondered where these terms 'sustainability' and 'smart growth' and 'high density urban mixed use development' came from?  Doesn't it seem like about 10 years ago you'd never heard of them and now everything seems to include these concepts?  Is that just a coincidence?  That every town and county and state and nation in the world would be changing their land use/planning codes and government policies to align themselves with...what?

First, before I get going, I want to say that yes, I know it's a small world and it takes a village and we're all one planet etc.  I also know that we have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and that as cumbersome as that can be sometimes (Donald Rumsfeld said that the Chinese have it easy; they don't have to ask their people if they agree.  And Bush Junior said that it would be great to have a dictator as long as he was the dictator), we have a three branch government and the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and self-determination.  This is one of the reasons why people want to come to the US, right?  We don't have Tiananmen Square here, generally speaking (yes, I remember Kent State--not the same, and yes, an outrage.) So I'm not against making certain issues a priority, such as mindful energy use, alternative energy sponsorship, recycling/reuse, and sensitivity to all living creatures.

But then you have UN Agenda 21.  What is it?  See our videos and radio shows at the bottom of this page, on our video page (or search YouTube for Rosa Koire) or
buy BEHIND THE GREEN MASK: U.N. Agenda 21 by Rosa Koire click here

CLICK TO PRINT OUT FLYER: WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT UN AGENDA 21?

Considering its policies are woven into all the General Plans of the cities and counties,  it's important for people to know where these policies are coming from.  While many people support the United Nations for its 'peacemaking' efforts, hardly anyone knows that they have very specific land use policies that they would like to see implemented in every city, county, state and nation.  The specific plan is called United Nations Agenda 21 Sustainable Development, which has its basis in Communitarianism.  By now, most Americans have heard of sustainable development but are largely unaware of Agenda 21.

In a nutshell, the plan calls for governments to take control of all land use and not leave any of the decision making in the hands of private property owners.  It is assumed that people are not good stewards of their land and the government will do a better job if they are in control.  Individual rights in general are to give way to the needs of communities as determined by the governing body.  Moreover, people should be rounded up off the land and packed into human settlements, or islands of human habitation, close to employment centers and transportation.  Another program, called the Wildlands Project spells out how most of the land is to be set aside for non-humans.

U.N. Agenda 21 cites the affluence of Americans as being a major problem which needs to be corrected.  It calls for lowering the standard of living for Americans so that the people in poorer countries will have more, a redistribution of wealth.  Although people around the world aspire to achieve the levels of prosperity we have in our country, and will risk their lives to get here, Americans are cast in a very negative light and need to be taken down to a condition closer to average in the world.  Only then, they say, will there be social justice which is a cornerstone of the U.N. Agenda 21 plan.

Agenda 21 policies date back to the 70's but it got its real start in 1992 at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President Bush signed onto it.  Click here to see a list of the countries that signed UN Agenda 21. President Clinton took office the following year and created the President's Council on Sustainable Development to implement it in the United States. Made up of federal agencies, corporations, and non-profit groups, the President's Council on Sustainable Development moved quickly to ensure that all federal agencies would change their policies to comply with UN Agenda 21.  A non-governmental organization called the International Council of Local Environmental Initiatives,  ICLEI, is tasked with carrying out the goals of Agenda 21 worldwide.  Remember: UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is a global plan that is implemented locally. Over 600 cities in the U.S. are members; our town joined in 2007. The costs are paid by taxpayers.

It's time that people educate themselves and read the document and related commentary.  After that, get a copy of your city or county's General Plan and read it.  You will find all sorts of policies that are nearly identical to those in U.N. Agenda 21.  Unfortunately, their policies have advanced largely unnoticed and we are now in the end game.  People need to identify their elected officials who are promoting the U.N.'s  policies and hold them accountable for their actions.  Only when we've identified who the people are and what they are trying to do will we be able to evaluate whether or not we approve of the policies they are putting forward.  Some people may think it's appropriate for agencies outside the United States to set our policies and some people will not.  The question is, aren't  Americans  able to develop their own policies?  Should we rely on an organization that consists of member nations that have different forms of governments, most of which do not value individual rights as much as we do?  It's time to bring U.N. Agenda 21 out in the open where we can have these debates and then set our own policies in accordance with our Constitution and Bill of Rights. 
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Ok, you say, interesting, but I don't see how that really affects me. Here are a few ways:

No matter where you live, I'll bet that there have been hundreds of condos built in the center of your town recently.  Over the last ten years there has been a 'planning revolution' across the US.  Your commercial, industrial, and multi-residential land was rezoned to 'mixed use.' Nearly everything that got approvals for development was designed the same way: ground floor retail with two stories of residential above.  Mixed use.  Very hard to finance for construction, and very hard to manage since it has to have a high density of people in order to justify the retail.  A lot of it is empty and most of the ground floor retail is empty too. High bankruptcy rate.
 
So what?  Most of your towns provided funding and/or infrastructure development for these private projects.  They used Redevelopment Agency funds.  Your money.  Specifically, your property taxes.  Notice how there's very little money in your General Funds now, and most of that is going to pay Police and Fire?  Your street lights are off, your parks are shaggy, your roads are pot-holed, your hospitals are closing.  The money that should be used for these things is diverted into the Redevelopment Agency.  It's the only agency in government that can float a bond without a vote of the people.  And they did that, and now you're paying off those bonds for the next 45 years with your property taxes.  Did you know that?  And by the way, even if Redevelopment is ended, as in California, they still have to pay off existing debt--for 30 to 45 years.
 
So, what does this have to do with Agenda 21? 

Redevelopment is a tool used to further the Agenda 21 vision of remaking America's cities. With redevelopment, cities have the right to take property by eminent domain---against the will of the property owner, and give it or sell it to a private developer. By declaring an area of town 'blighted' (and in some cities over 90% of the city area has been declared blighted) the property taxes in that area can be diverted away from the General Fund. This constriction of available funds is impoverishing the cities, forcing them to offer less and less services, and reducing your standard of living.  They'll be telling you that it's better, however, since they've put in nice street lights and colored paving.  The money gets redirected into the Redevelopment Agency and handed out to favored developers building low income housing and mixed use. Smart Growth. Cities have had thousands of condos built in the redevelopment areas and are telling you that you are terrible for wanting your own yard, for wanting privacy, for not wanting to be dictated to by a Condo Homeowner's Association Board, for being anti-social, for not going along to get along, for not moving into a cramped apartment downtown where they can use your property taxes for paying off that huge bond debt.  But it's not working, and you don't want to move in there.  So they have to make you.  Read on.


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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #17 on: Feb 02, 13, 10:43:18 AM »
This is too far out for me. The number of people that would have to be involved is so massive that it is hard for me to imagine it could be done with the secrecy that would be needed.


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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #18 on: Feb 02, 13, 11:36:16 AM »
InTheWood.. I agree with you.  I do think that some of the reactions to the so-called "Agenda 21" are blowing out of all proportion here as to the efforts to review how local planning and land use policies can impact our lives and the lives of our children and their children.

I'm not sure why 'mixed use' development is such a bugaboo. There are so many metropolitan areas where it makes total sense to me.  I guess the fear is that we'll all be rounded up in buses and taken to various camps and then, perhaps, wait in line for our own housing unit and never again to have a backyard.  Do we honestly think that single-family homes and neighbor hoods are going to be swept up and  discarded?

Now, where I think we should all pay attention is when our county/city/etc. rezones or considers a waiver to the zoning rules or a change that no longer allows us the 'useful enjoyment' we all paid for when we bought our property. Those exemptions can set precedents that developers may want to invest in for a project. Not that developers are bad people, per se (but they do seem to be on an equivalent with bankers these days). IMHO, cheryl o7o

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #19 on: Feb 02, 13, 06:41:28 PM »
This is too far out for me. The number of people that would have to be involved is so massive that it is hard for me to imagine it could be done with the secrecy that would be needed.

It is NOT SECRET that is the point!

Anyone that works in the construction trade knows about title 24 energy codes here in CA. They also know about International Building Code. Ask them what is happening?
The codes are getting so far off the hook, that it is almost impossible to get things done.

Try reading about how SF, and NYC is building 500SQF apartments for families. OH! and that is ALL the SQF you will be allowed to have.
Stack and pack housing is what is happening in the cities. ( I know, I lived in LA before WW)

Look at how the UN has taken control of US forestland called "biodiversity zones.
Look and see what has happened with water rights on your own land. Even here in WW we have property that you can not build a single family dwelling on the land. (right here on Snowbird Rd.)

And why can't the owner(s) of that land build a home on it if they want?

Far out?
To many to be involved?


Yeah you could say that.

If your so worried about your children, and your children's children, maybe you should look more into this stuff instead of poo pooing it.
Maybe just maybe you could read the UNs very own white papers on the matter.

But I know that is boring and dancing with the stars might be on, and we all know that TV is much more entertaining thank reading something so important as to your property rights.