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Offline spellbinder

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #160 on: Jun 05, 16, 05:47:40 AM »
works fine with my windows 7, firefox...except that section 3 is still pending.....was hoping to be the test dummy for fast internet!!  ;D

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« Reply #161 on: Jun 08, 16, 12:00:00 AM »
I have been getting that same message for certain sites, mostly when you go to faqs or support.

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« Reply #162 on: Jun 08, 16, 01:02:52 AM »
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pretty sure my modem was 64 kbps

Mine was 14.4....but it was reliable...more than I can say about what we have up here now....

cant wait......


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« Reply #163 on: Jun 08, 16, 02:57:53 PM »
I'm Section 3. Can't wait!

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« Reply #164 on: Jun 11, 16, 03:21:17 AM »
Any word on that announcement Wes was supposed to be making this week?  I don't see anything new on the wrightwood.net page.

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« Reply #165 on: Jun 16, 16, 07:55:22 PM »
There are a couple of trucks working on the poles along Spruce.  It's not the same contractor that's doing Charter's work.

Asked a guy who they were working for, and he said "All I know is that we're putting in internet."

Please let it be what I think it is.

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« Reply #166 on: Jun 17, 16, 11:40:46 PM »
It is UIA.  HHS is our subcontractor.

We have put in several poles that had to be replaced, and now they are putting in the  wire between the poles.  Fiber goes in next.  Splicing.  Then installs.  Wes is waiting to make the announcement until the new web page goes in.  It is nearly complete.  Don't worry.  It's so close.....!


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« Reply #167 on: Jun 18, 16, 02:35:45 PM »
When I check this forum and click on "show unread posts since last visit" and see the "1 GB FIBER..." thread has new stuff...I get a little giddy!  I am loving this progress!!  Thanks for the updates!

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« Reply #168 on: Jun 19, 16, 01:52:16 AM »
I feel like I did when we bought our first computer (IBM 286 AD) counting the days until we got it!!
Cant wait to dump Frontier!!!

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« Reply #169 on: Jun 22, 16, 09:55:02 AM »
I can not WAIT to dump DISH Net. I'm in section 1. Hopefully I'm one of the first to get it. I check this forum almost every day for updates. Looking forward to the installation. I'll be sure to tell everyone how customer service and speeds are from what I experience.

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« Reply #170 on: Jun 22, 16, 02:38:10 PM »
I can not WAIT to dump DISH Net. I'm in section 1. Hopefully I'm one of the first to get it. I check this forum almost every day for updates. Looking forward to the installation. I'll be sure to tell everyone how customer service and speeds are from what I experience.

Sweet, I am very curious on what the "true" speed is going to be. Can you do a speed test when you get it?

(Might also want to take note of the smallest bottle neck on the hardware your going to be running)

Thanks.

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« Reply #171 on: Jun 22, 16, 03:02:37 PM »
Absolutely. I'll keep you all posted

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« Reply #172 on: Jun 22, 16, 05:26:44 PM »
I ran a hosting company for a few decades before I retired, and I'm very excited by UIA's coming network.  Sadly, I'm in section 5.

I'm thrilled, but not by the gigabit speed.

My Frontier 3m/768k circuit should be more than fast enough for my needs.  I should be able to browse and stream video without difficulty.

I can't, but it's not the speed.

The problem is latency.  Latency is how long it takes for a packet to go from my computer to another device on the internet.

Latency is important because as you download, you receive packets of data from the other end, and you send back a packet that says "yes, got it."  If the "ack" packets get back fast enough, the sender continues at top speed without pause.  If the acks are slowed down (or lost) the sender will wait, or resend packets that might be lost.

Looking at Frontier this morning, measuring just between my router and their gateway router, over about 5000 pings, I see a lot of 7 or 8 millisecond pings, which are excellent.  The average, is up in the 30's which is not wonderful.  The worst is about a quarter second, which is pretty dismal.

I've seen ping times as long as four seconds, which is horrid, and when the net is incredibly slow, the ping times are dramatically higher.

I can't think of a way, limiting to strictly personal use (without going into business) that I could exceed about 25 megabits in any sustained way.  I know I can measure faster, but subjectively, I won't be able to see a difference between 25 megabits and 50 megabits.

If you have satellite internet, the issue isn't competence, it's the fact that the satellites are so far away -- 22,300 miles, or about a quarter-second one way.  They do a lot of tricks to make up for that half-second.  For Frontier, they can't blame it on satellites, or distance, they just need enough capacity to get all of the packets through on time.

This is why the Zubers say "20 times faster than DSL" because most people are going to measure speed, and when you get into the gigabit range, a single TCP circuit can't go that fast.  You'd have to run multiple speed tests on multiple computers all at once to get something close.

The "speed" will show when you have everything you might normally want going at the same time, and the ping times stay the same (and hopefully, very low).

We'll talk about how fast it is, but we're really going to be talking about the low latency.

I can barely wait.

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« Reply #173 on: Jun 22, 16, 10:31:42 PM »
To put this another way, we know there is a huge bottleneck from the Frontier central office downtown and the next Frontier facility.

What UIA is offering will make sure that the bottleneck isn't between here and the rest of the internet.

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« Reply #174 on: Jun 23, 16, 12:00:16 AM »
To put this another way, we know there is a huge bottleneck from the Frontier central office downtown and the next Frontier facility.

What UIA is offering will make sure that the bottleneck isn't between here and the rest of the internet.

Great, informative posts.  Thanks!  :)

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« Reply #175 on: Jun 23, 16, 02:53:44 PM »
To put this another way, we know there is a huge bottleneck from the Frontier central office downtown and the next Frontier facility.

What UIA is offering will make sure that the bottleneck isn't between here and the rest of the internet.

Yes very good information indeed, the bottle neck I was referring to was what ever device, computer or router he was using at the time of the speed test. They can only handle so much, unless his router and computer can handle 1gb of Internet.

Also I never thought of the upload being factored into the x20 faster, but that make a lot of sense.

Is the fiber cable itself called 1gb fiber? Anyone know? Like ethernet cords are cat5 and cat6.

I looked into it and most fiber is only running at 300 megabytes ( don't get me wrong that's a ridiculous amount of Internet speed,  especially when you're me and have none because you don't want to sign up for a two year contract due to waiting for this fiber lol)

Anyway that's why I asked to see a speed test, curiosity to see what we are going to get here in town. If it ends up being 1gb I am going to be baffled lol.

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« Reply #176 on: Jun 23, 16, 03:58:51 PM »
Also I forgot to ask, I believe UIA is teaming up with Charder Cable to put in the lines, that mean my cable box will get HD Ch's after the fiber is up?

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« Reply #177 on: Jun 23, 16, 09:17:53 PM »
Yes very good information indeed, the bottle neck I was referring to was what ever device, computer or router he was using at the time of the speed test. They can only handle so much, unless his router and computer can handle 1gb of Internet.

Also I never thought of the upload being factored into the x20 faster, but that make a lot of sense.

Is the fiber cable itself called 1gb fiber? Anyone know? Like ethernet cords are cat5 and cat6.

I looked into it and most fiber is only running at 300 megabytes ( don't get me wrong that's a ridiculous amount of Internet speed,  especially when you're me and have none because you don't want to sign up for a two year contract due to waiting for this fiber lol)

Anyway that's why I asked to see a speed test, curiosity to see what we are going to get here in town. If it ends up being 1gb I am going to be baffled lol.
I don't work for UIA, and I haven't talked to them.  I've read their proposal for CASF funding, as someone who spent the last quarter century doing this kind of stuff it pretty much says exactly what they're going to do.

Here is how I read it:

UIA is installing fiber, running at 1 gigabit to every served customer.  1 gigabit, "uncorked" in both directions, from here to his Point of Presence (POP) here in town.  That fiber connects to at least one "backhaul" circuit.  I think he's got a 1 gigabit circuit back to his Ontario NOC via terrestrial microwave, and I expect he'll add capacity as needed.

It's easy to measure how much "load" is on the circuit(s) from here to his NOC, and there are Industry Standards for when you add capacity.

It is Intuitively Obvious to the Most Casual Observer that Verizon was either grossly incompetent by not monitoring usage and happily selling bandwidth many times what they could actually handle, or they just didn't care since they were the only game in town.

So, bottlenecks:

You're right, of course, that most of the home routers we have are likely not able to handle a full gigabit.  I don't think it matters.

Tracing from my Frontier DSL to FAST.COM, Netflix' speed test site, there are 10 routers.  There are at least twelve wires (copper, fiber, whatever).  Each router can be underpowered, and each wire can be too small.  The one from here to L200.LSANCA-DSL-72.gni.frontiernet.net (my gateway) undoubtedly is (that's my DSL line plus the fiber hooking Wrightwood to the world).

I used Netflix because that's a good example of the biggest bandwidhth use we might have.  Voice over IP is something like 0.02 megabits so it doesn't even count.  Netflix will work at 0.5 megabits (and if latency is low, you won't have buffering).  They want 3 megabits for solid SD video, 5 megabits for HD, and 25 megabits for UltraHD.  Numbers for Amazon's streaming would be the same.

A gigabit is 1000 megabits.  To use a full gigabit, you'd need 200 televisions watching HD video from Netflix.  I don't have an UltraHD TV, let alone the 40 TVs that it'd take to fill a gigabit.

That last bit is the major point I've been trying to make: UIA is saying "20 times faster" because it's really difficult to find something that can really use a full gigabit of data.  They also can't guarantee anything beyond their own network.

In the year 2026 that may be very different, but UIA won't have to rewire, just upgrade their feed.

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« Reply #178 on: Jun 23, 16, 11:13:10 PM »
Considering that a few hours per day at 64 kbps busts my phone's data limit...I, like most everyone else, cannot wait. :-)

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« Reply #179 on: Jun 24, 16, 12:04:47 AM »
It is Intuitively Obvious to the Most Casual Observer that Verizon was either grossly incompetent by not monitoring usage and happily selling bandwidth many times what they could actually handle, or they just didn't care since they were the only game in town.
A little of all of the above.  Verizon was aware of the situation, but was unwilling to spend any money to solve it.  It wasn't about being the only game - they didn't want wireline any longer and just wanted to milk whatever money out of it they could without spending any money.  If customers left they didn't care - you might have a VZ cell phone so you might up your data.  They also get to cut jobs, union jobs, that way.  There was also the matter of competence in that someone in Massachusetts decides if the money will be spent to improve the infrastructure and "let" customers again order service.  The people in New England couldn't give two poops about Californians.  It took local knowledge and local people, at least in one instance, to override the joker holding the keys to the proverbial castle in 3000-miles-away-Massachusetts and "let" customers again order service.