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Offline Ultimate Internet Access

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #440 on: Nov 07, 16, 06:05:12 PM »
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Correct me if Im wrong but I think "take it or leave it" attitude with internet and TV broadcast is due to the fact those services aren't considered as "essential service" and therefore they are not as tightly regulated as gas, electricity and water.

There used to be many hundreds or thousands of telephone companies in the early 20th century. That is until ATT figured out how to regulate out the competition;
With competition there would be no "take it or leave it", or you wouldn't last long as a company with an attitude like that.

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As a result of a combination of regulatory actions by government and actions by AT&T, the firm eventually gained what most regard as monopoly status. In 1907, AT&T president Theodore Vail made it known that he was pursuing a goal of "One Policy, One System, Universal Service." AT&T began purchasing competitors, which attracted the attention of antitrust regulators. To avoid antitrust action, in a deal with the government, Vail agreed to the Kingsbury Commitment of 1913.

ATT argued that in order to make the Americans safe in this new technology that there needed to be one standard.. and they were the ones to do it, by God. The Government agreed and in fact it were complicit in regulating to ATT's wishes.. competitors had no choice but to sell out to them. The eventual deregulation is another story.. But without deregulation, no UIA.

If the regulation bar is set high enough then other smaller companies no matter how innovative cannot even get started, ideas are killed off before anyone even dares to challenge.

Lots of people blame the cable company and certainly they are no more believers in free enterprise then any other wannabe monopoly.. but they are hampered by incredibly bad deals that the content providers have heaped upon them.. Both of them really thought the gravy trail would just go on and on.. did you know for example that the cable company pays ESPN for every single sub they have.. I have heard from some that it is around $15.00 per month, no matter if the subscriber gets the service or not. This is why there is such a drive towards bundling by the cable companies.. It is Hollywood and the other content providers that are really killing it with the current business model - but now there is a problem in that the incremental price increases have started to be noticed.. people are cutting the cord. Millennials could care less about TV for example, it's just entirely to expensive for them for what it is.. Along comes NetFlix and now they are even making their own content!

People are cutting the cord at such a decent clip to that the cable companies are seeing that down the road they might get cut out.. so they are trying to compete, (SlingTV, HULU, Netflix, Amazon), competition is good.
Make no mistake competition works.. it's working for Wrightwood and in a couple years no one will even remember the bad old days of DSL.

ESPN and the others like them are the last holdouts and they are starting to see less revenue -- they will have to change their business model.. perhaps not sign crazy deals with sports teams.. and down hill it goes.. maybe sports stars will start to see less revenue being offered..

All natural consequences of a disruptive technology.. all good stuff.

The only danger to this I see is trying take the momentum out of what can be seen as a movement by many many companies like UIA, by regulating it. They have started but lets see how far they get.
The FCC has taken control of the Internet.. So far they favor competition.. but it was unregulated completely - meaning that no politician could really bribe anyone since there was no mechanism for control. But now there is..

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #441 on: Nov 08, 16, 12:29:21 PM »
Part of the problem is how Cable TV and Satellite companies contract with content providers.

Back in the day, the local cable company could stick up an antenna, pick up the local TV stations, and distribute them via cable to those who couldn't put an antenna high enough (or just didn't want an antenna).  I grew up in Laguna Beach, and the hills pretty much block L.A.

Then laws were passed that the Cable providers were getting the signal "for free" -- having nothing to do with the fact that it was distributed over-the-air for free -- so they should pay the local TV stations.

This has evolved into a constant battle between the program providers and the "transport" providers.  The transport providers want to hold costs down, and the program providers want to make more money.

Alot of this is through bundling: if a cable company wants to carry Disney, they can't just pick the one Disney channel they like, Disney says if you want our flagship channel, you pay for all of our channels.  Same for Discovery,

They charge per subscriber, so it's less per subscriber if they're in the lowest tier, but it raises the cost of the least-expensive packages.

I can stream lots of stuff, but only if I subscribe to "cable" -- HBO was the first to break ranks and offer standalone streaming (for a fee). 

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #442 on: Nov 10, 16, 11:09:43 AM »
So, there were two guys from PDI in my back yard today, looking at the poles.

They said they were working on pole inspections for UIA. 

I asked, and they said in their opinion, the pole in my yard should be the absolute top priority.

I live in Section 5.

I saw this elsewhere in town:



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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #443 on: Nov 23, 16, 11:01:45 AM »
I see the new messenger wire and a yellow pull rope are up on the poles along Twin Lakes.  Looks like a fiber loop is hanging on Walnut.  Any idea when Twin Lakes will be lit? Thanks!

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #444 on: Nov 23, 16, 11:13:00 AM »
Most of the Fiber is in for Section 2. Still have a bit more to do.. but getting there.

Have to build the Cabinets (working on this Friday), splice and test.

Moving along.

Regards,

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #445 on: Nov 23, 16, 11:17:36 AM »
Thanks Wes for the update  :thumbs:

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #446 on: Nov 23, 16, 11:19:46 AM »
Most of the Fiber is in for Section 2. Still have a bit more to do.. but getting there.

Have to build the Cabinets (working on this Friday), splice and test.

Moving along.

Regards,

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That is fantastic Wes.  One heck of a project you have..  I look forward to install.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #447 on: Nov 24, 16, 12:49:02 PM »
Progress in section 2 is progress toward section 5.

Thanks Wes for the update.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #448 on: Nov 25, 16, 06:53:32 AM »
lwt42, I like your attitude!!  ;D
A friend was over for dinner yesterday and she just got hers hooked up.  Raved about it!  I was jealous.....  Wes and Laura, we are really thrilled that you are doing this for our community.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #449 on: Nov 25, 16, 07:57:30 AM »
I can't wait till more than 1 person can stream and everyone can use their devices at the same time without a huge slow down.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #450 on: Nov 25, 16, 09:13:59 AM »
lwt42, I like your attitude!!  ;D
You know, we can complain, we can argue that the section lines are wrong, but what's the point?

Wes will be here as soon as he can get the JPA to approve the poles.

In the meantime, I get to play "armchair quarterback" and occasionally, catch them hanging the fiber.  :-)

I retired from the industry a few years ago, so I understand the 90-90 rule, and just how difficult this is -- not the technical parts, the politics and bureaucracy before you can do the fun stuff.

I have tons of questions, like how long from when the Edison physically inspects a pole until the JPA actually approves it, but at the end of the day, it takes as long as it takes, Wes says they approve about 150 poles/month, and unless that changes, it'll happen when it happens.

In the meantime, Frontier DSL is (barely) better than nothing.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #451 on: Nov 26, 16, 08:27:09 PM »
We switched to Sprint a month ago to get some kind of internet while we wait. We were with a company called Ting before which is an MVNO the resells Sprint signal. They are an awesome company and I can't recommend them highly enough. It broke me heart to leave them. The service on Sprint is passable and has unlimited phone data with 5gb of tethering included. It's even a pretty good price all things considered. But at the end of the day, I hate Sprint more than words can describe. The same silly bureaucracy is built into every aspect of the company. It makes me so happy to think that as many of you have already said, I dodged a bullet not getting Frontier after all. Now I'm set to get UIA this winter and I can switch back to Ting as soon as I have reliable internet.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #452 on: Nov 28, 16, 11:22:19 PM »
I know there are several people that want an alternative to their current TV provider.
I see a story today about DirectTV (ATT) selling direct over the Internet (does not require satellite dish gear) or long term contracts with cable companies..

I am using a similar setup with Dish Sling and find that it works very well.. The price is certainly something I can appreciate.
Here is the article https://www.cnet.com/news/directv-now-launch-november-30-hbo-apple-tv-fire-tv/

I believe this is the trend.. everything is going to just come over your Internet connection..

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #453 on: Nov 29, 16, 08:26:51 AM »
I would also like to point out for people that want another tv provider to also look at Playstation Vue.

Don't worry about the name Playstation as you can stream it on multiple devises such as Apple tv, Fire tv, Chromecast, Android, IOS, PS3, PS4, etc. I've read multiple people prefer it over Sling Tv, and it has DVR unlike Sling. However, both have trial runs to find the one you prefer and to see which has the better tv package for your needs.

It seems most providers are going the internet route and in my opinion is the future.

Plus, cant wait to get internet installed. Hopefully-Section 2 goes live on the 1st!

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #454 on: Nov 29, 16, 05:41:36 PM »
Well... I was set to be installed on Thursday (Dec. 1) but apparently it's now been pushed back to the 15th. *sigh*

I've been limping along on Verizon's ridiculously expensive prepaid portable hotspot and was soooo hoping I'd finally get hooked up on Thursday. So tired of giving my money to Verizon!!

What caused the delay this time?


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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #455 on: Nov 29, 16, 06:48:41 PM »
I would also like to point out for people that want another tv provider to also look at Playstation Vue.

Don't worry about the name Playstation as you can stream it on multiple devises such as Apple tv, Fire tv, Chromecast, Android, IOS, PS3, PS4, etc. I've read multiple people prefer it over Sling Tv, and it has DVR unlike Sling. However, both have trial runs to find the one you prefer and to see which has the better tv package for your needs.

It seems most providers are going the internet route and in my opinion is the future.

Plus, cant wait to get internet installed. Hopefully-Section 2 goes live on the 1st!

Sling just announced yesterday that they're going to roll out a cloud DVR option in December if you use a Roku device.  I'd imagine they start rolling it out to more users of different devices after that.

For people shopping around between the 3 big live-streaming services (DirecTV Now, Sling TV, and Playstation Vue), there's a good article by CNET showing the channel offerings by the 3 players and which package each channel is on, as well as how much each package costs so you can see which option is the best value to get the channels that you want.

https://www.cnet.com/news/directv-now-vs-sling-tv-vs-playstation-vue-channels-compared/

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #456 on: Nov 29, 16, 07:21:09 PM »
Count your blessings, Jud.

I live in zone/area 5, I'll be suffering WAY longer than you, ha!  :)

Reason for delay?  Weather/the white stuff.  Cold/flu season, installers call in sick...  I'm surprised December installations happen AT ALL at 6000 feet.  Cut 'em some slack! 

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« Reply #457 on: Nov 29, 16, 08:30:22 PM »
Count your blessings, Jud.

I live in zone/area 5, I'll be suffering WAY longer than you, ha!  :)

Reason for delay?  Weather/the white stuff.  Cold/flu season, installers call in sick...  I'm surprised December installations happen AT ALL at 6000 feet.  Cut 'em some slack!
Don't forget the Joint Pole Authority, and permits for each pole individually.  They're probably the biggest bottleneck.

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #458 on: Nov 30, 16, 05:54:03 AM »
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Don't forget the Joint Pole Authority, and permits for each pole individually.  They're probably the biggest bottleneck.

Just part of the game..

Nonetheless we are very focused on splicing and prepping cabinets in section 2.. It will take the rest of this week to complete the bore up to Spruce from the office which feeds the rest of the town. Doing multiple things at once..

Regards,

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Re: 1 GB FIBER Coming Soon to Wrightwood
« Reply #459 on: Nov 30, 16, 12:34:37 PM »
Good things are worth waiting for  ;D