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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #60 on: Jun 24, 15, 06:18:59 PM »
Sounds like one of the aircraft spotted a red drone in the area
Air attack has suspended air operations until the drone situation can be rectified.

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #61 on: Jun 24, 15, 06:24:30 PM »
San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 27 minutes ago

UNMANNED AIRCRAFT OR DRONES ARE NOT PERMITTED ANYWHERE NEAR AN ACTIVE FIRE - DO NOT HAMPER FIREFIGHTING OPERATIONS


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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #62 on: Jun 24, 15, 06:27:58 PM »
SB County Fire ?@SBCOUNTYFIRE 42 minutes ago

#LakeFire the fire skirted around the Rainbow Lane area no structure damage or loss. County Dozer 2 assisted in structure defense.

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #63 on: Jun 24, 15, 10:09:21 PM »

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #64 on: Jun 25, 15, 02:18:54 AM »
Lake Fire Timelapse from start Wed 6/17 through Sun 6/21 @ 6pm

A timelapse of the Lake Fire taken from Ben Brissey's (Bensweather.com) Cam located at the top of Chair 9 at Bear Mountain. The timelapse covers the period from the initial start of the fire on Wed 6/17 through Sunday 6/21 @ 6pm. Visit Socalmountains.com and BensWeather.com for the latest on the Lake Fire.
Sad. 

As an aside, if anyone happens to be in contact with people in the back country, there is some weird looking terrain in one of the canyons that I can't really discern.  According to the maps it was burned over.  There are patches of similar looking terrain in that immediate vicinity but I have no idea what I'm looking at there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0966824,-116.7928395,101a,20y,270h/data=!3m1!1e3

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #65 on: Jun 25, 15, 07:10:30 AM »
Evacuations for Burns Canyon, Rim Rock, and Pioneertown

Incident: Lake Fire Wildfire
Released: 9 hrs. ago

The San Bernardino County Sheriff Department has initiated a mandatory evacuation for the Burns Canyon and Rimrock areas.

Pioneertown is now under a voluntary evacuation.

There is a shelter for evacuees at Copper Mountain College 6162 Rotary Way, Yucca Valley, CA 92252

Small animals may be taken to the Town of Yucca Valley Animal Shelter 4755 Malin Way Yucca Valley CA

Large animals may be taken to the Yucca Valley Equestrian Center 7429 Avalon Ave. Yucca Valley, CA


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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #66 on: Jun 25, 15, 08:48:18 AM »
INCIDENT UPDATED 1:02 HRS. AGO

Incident Overview
Update: The San Bernardino County Sheriff Department has initiated a mandatory evacuation for the Burns Canyon and Rimrock areas. Pioneertown is now under a voluntary evacuation. There is a shelter for evacuees at Copper Mountain College located at 6162 Rotary Way, Yucca Valley, CA 92252. Small animals may be taken to the Town of Yucca Valley Animal Shelter 4755 Malin Way Yucca Valley. Large animals may be taken to the Yucca Valley Equestrian Center 7429 Avalon Ave. Yucca Valley.


The Lake Fire was reported just before 4:00 pm on June 17, 2015. The cause of the fire is under investigation. It is approximately 23,199 acres in size and burning in timber. It is currently 21% contained.

Mandatory evacuations include: Areas along Hwy 38 east of Angelus Oaks to Onyx Summit, Barton Flats, Seven Oaks, South Fork, Heart Bar, Rainbow Lane, Burns Canyon, and Rimrock. There is a voluntary evacuation in place for Pioneertown..

State Highway 38 is closed between Angelus Oaks to Lake Williams. It will remain closed indefinitely due to reduced visibility and firefighting operations

All Hiking Trails into the San Gorgonio Wilderness Area have been closed due to the proximity of the fire to these trails. The Pacific Crest Trail (PCT) is closed from Whitewater Preserve to Onyx Summit.

The fire remains active in the northeast. Yesterday the fire made a push northwards toward the Rainbow Lane Area but at this time no structures have been lost.

Approximately 360 campers were safely evacuated from the Camp Oakes in the Lake Williams Area on June 24th at about 2:00 pm. This was a precautionary evacuation due to the large number of campers.

The south side of the fire continues to burn in steep and rocky terrain with minor growth downhill hitting areas of unburned trees and grass that ignite and then burn again downhill. Additional crews have been inserted into the Ten Thousand Foot Ridge and will proceed toward the eastern Forest Boundary.

Resources on scene include:
103 engines
3 air tankers
2 DC-10 VLAT (Very Large Air Tankers)
18 helicopters
4 support planes
54 crews
16 water tenders
8 dozers
1894 personnel assigned to the fire

There have been four firefighter injuries.

Fire management is under Unified Command with Cal Fire, San Bernardino County Sheriff, San Bernardino County Fire, Big Bear Fire Department and California Highway Patrol. The Incident Command Post is located at Big Bear High School.

There are Smoke Advisories for nearby areas. Click here for the San Bernardino Mountains smoke information and click here for the Mojave Desert area smoke information

Ben's Weather Webcam has updated images of the fire area every 30 seconds

Basic Information
Current as of   6/25/2015, 7:25:25 AM
Incident Type   Wildfire
Cause   Under Investigation
Date of Origin   Wednesday June 17th, 2015 approx. 03:52 PM
Incident Commander   Walker
Incident Description   Yesterday The Northeast Corner Of The Fire Made A Push Northward Into The Rainbow Lane Area But At This Time No Structures Have Been Lost. Last Night The Fire Grew Northwards Towards The Upper Pipes Canyon Area.
Current Situation
Total Personnel   1,894
Size   23,199 Acres
Percent of Perimeter Contained   21%
Fuels Involved   

Timber with Grass and Understory
Significant Events   

The communities of Burns Canyon and Rim Rock are under a mandatory evacuation. Pioneertown is under a voluntary evacuation. All aircraft on the incident were forced to land after an unmanned aircraft systems (drone) was spotted in the area of Onyx Summit just before 6:00 pm. Hwy 38 remains closed from east of Angelus Oaks to Lake Williams.
Outlook
Planned Actions   

Continue to hold the fire south and east of Hwy 38 and North of Whitewater.
Remarks   

A Type 2 Incident Management Team is in command of the fire
Current Weather
Weather Concerns   

Weather will remain warm and dry over the fire with gusty west winds over the next few days. Temperatures will slowly cool over next several days with an increase in relative humidity. Possibility of monsoonal moisture for the weekend.

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #67 on: Jun 25, 15, 08:49:47 AM »

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #68 on: Jun 25, 15, 09:08:55 AM »
San Bernardino NF ?@SanBernardinoNF 27 minutes ago

UNMANNED AIRCRAFT OR DRONES ARE NOT PERMITTED ANYWHERE NEAR AN ACTIVE FIRE - DO NOT HAMPER FIREFIGHTING OPERATIONS



Sounds like they need a way to shoot them down!!!  Better than landing fire fighting aircraft.

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #69 on: Jun 25, 15, 09:21:46 AM »

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #70 on: Jun 25, 15, 09:24:25 AM »

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #71 on: Jun 25, 15, 09:31:07 AM »

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #72 on: Jun 25, 15, 09:34:50 AM »
The U.S. Forest Service will hold a news conference regarding the Lake Fire at 9:30 a.m. Thursday, June 25, 2015. (There is a delay of about 2 minutes between our livestream and our television broadcast.)

http://abc7.com/live/

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #73 on: Jun 25, 15, 09:44:48 AM »
Per press conference
Drone that shut down yesterday's air attack was a fixed wing, 3-4 ft wing span, red or orange in color and was flying at 800-1,000 feet off the ground.

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #74 on: Jun 25, 15, 11:12:53 AM »
Per press conference
Drone that shut down yesterday's air attack was a fixed wing, 3-4 ft wing span, red or orange in color and was flying at 800-1,000 feet off the ground.


What are the dangers posed by drones to fire fighters and the aerial aircraft over wildfires?

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #75 on: Jun 25, 15, 11:27:19 AM »
What are the dangers posed by drones to fire fighters and the aerial aircraft over wildfires?

The biggest danger is called FOD, which stands for Foreign Object Debris/Destruction.

Think of a bug hitting your windshield at 60 MPH.  Now think of a small drone or UAV, 3-6 feet across (with the associated greater mass and weight), hitting an airplane or helicopter at 100-300 MPH, while they are trying to do a water or retardant drop.

IF the pilot of the helicopter or aircraft is lucky, they will be able to set their vehicle down on the ground.  If they are not lucky, destruction ensues.

Drones don't belong in fire zones.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/near-collisions-between-drones-airliners-surge-new-faa-reports-show/2014/11/26/9a8c1716-758c-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html

BTW, the online video of a drone hitting a Southwest Airlines plane, is faked.  Yes, damage like that could occur, but that particular video is a simulation.

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #76 on: Jun 25, 15, 12:01:38 PM »
Fire Teams coordinate with the FAA to setup a restricted air space near a wildfire.
This enables the fire air attack a clear sky area to coordinate their complex management of aircraft working the fire. Having a drone or any aircraft flying within that restricted space is a crash hazard.

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #77 on: Jun 25, 15, 12:14:03 PM »
Thanks to the drones, the fire got bigger. Those drone pilots need a  real big fine for that.

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #78 on: Jun 25, 15, 12:24:38 PM »
It should be noted that a drone could be flown by anyone and not necessarily a hobbyist as suggested at the news conference.
The drone could be flown by the DEA looking for pot grows, it could have been a news team, local - State or Federal government agency, foreign government or a hundred other possibilities.
 

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Re: Vegetation Fire - Barton Flats - Jenks Lake
« Reply #79 on: Jun 25, 15, 01:17:53 PM »
The statement about drones used by foreign governments is a distinct possibility especially if they want to invade our airspace.  I hope theyre working on this at the Pentagon. 

And I hope the fire folks are back up there fighting the fire by now.   Eventually I could see drones fighting the fire but for now its the choppers and fixed wings.