Author Topic: Wrightwood CSD General Discussion (Read 128004 times)

treefrog · « **Reply #20 on:** Sep 07, 16, 05:04:12 PM »

The power point portion of the LAFCO presentation given at the August 30th meeting is now posted at wrightwoodcsd.org .

Wrightwood · « **Reply #21 on:** Sep 08, 16, 05:59:14 PM »

Quote from: S. Carroll on Sep 07, 16, 05:04:12 PM

The power point portion of the LAFCO presentation given at the August 30th meeting is now posted at wrightwoodcsd.org .

LAFCO presentation available here as PDF file

Wrightwood · « **Reply #22 on:** Sep 15, 16, 02:33:00 PM »

September 2016 Poll remains open.
If you are a Wrightwood registered voters in either Los Angeles or San Bernardino County - we need your poll vote.

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Wrightwood · « **Reply #23 on:** Sep 25, 16, 11:57:10 AM »

September 2016 Poll closes in a few days.
Please vote if you are a Wrightwood registered voters in either Los Angeles or San Bernardino County.

Wrightwood · « **Reply #24 on:** Oct 05, 16, 03:14:58 PM »

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Highlander · « **Reply #25 on:** Oct 13, 16, 04:47:16 PM »

Hi. I've been blind for over a year & have been out of the loop. I've heard around town about the CSD thing. From what I've been told by more than a few people is that we as Wrightwoodians would be paying for a sewer system, sewage treatment plant etc., only for the village "business district". Is this correct? Why would I want to pay for something I can't use? There are only a small handful of people who own all of the commercial ( store front) property. Why would I want to pay for wealthy people to get free stuff? Really expensive stuff? Was I misinformed? Can someone please fill me in? Thanks!

treefrog · « **Reply #26 on:** Oct 13, 16, 08:06:03 PM »

Quote from: Highlander on Oct 13, 16, 04:47:16 PM

Hi. I've been blind for over a year & have been out of the loop. I've heard around town about the CSD thing. From what I've been told by more than a few people is that we as Wrightwoodians would be paying for a sewer system, sewage treatment plant etc., only for the village "business district". Is this correct? Why would I want to pay for something I can't use? There are only a small handful of people who own all of the commercial ( store front) property. Why would I want to pay for wealthy people to get free stuff? Really expensive stuff? Was I misinformed? Can someone please fill me in? Thanks!

Highlander, did the answers on the first page of this thread help at all? I think that we talked about this issue in detail. I will answer in short here, but you will find more on the first page of this thread.

No one is talking about putting in sewers. And the CSD has nothing to do with putting in sewers. LAFCO granted the proposed CSD the powers of "planning" and "engineering" of a wastewater system, in the event that the County tells the community of Wrightwood that we have to put in sewers. This has nothing to do with whether or not the CSD is approved. In fact, this decision will be made in the LAMP the County is designing, which is due to Lahontan by May 2017, before any CSD would go into effect (July 2017). It then has to be approved by Lahontan by May 2018. So the CSD has nothing to do with whether or not the County will require us to have sewers. The benefit of having planning and engineering powers for wastewater is that if the LAMP requires a sewer system (unlikely) then the CSD will be able to represent the community of Wrightwood's interest, without the CSD we are left hanging, with no representation.

In regards to who pays for sewers: Only property owners that have sewers installed on their property pay taxes for the sewers. If a sewer is not installed on your property then you don't pay the taxes. But again, we are not talking about that right now because that is not being proposed by any agency.

I hope that helps.

thehallmarks · « **Reply #27 on:** Oct 14, 16, 01:26:11 PM »

The question should be who will be required to pay for the "planning" and "engineering" of a wastewater system, in the event that the County tells the community of Wrightwood that we have to put in sewers. The CSD, with it's limited funds and qualifications or the County who has access to the general fund and fully qualified personal to complete the "planning" and "engineering" which will be required?

Highlander · « **Reply #28 on:** Oct 14, 16, 08:32:46 PM »

S. Carroll, did the word "blind" happen to stand out in my post? I tried to read the convoluted posts. I've been blind in my left eye for 45 years & had surgery in 2015 on my so-called "good eye". I have to read with glasses & a magnifying glass. Fatiguing & difficult . All I was asking for is a synopsis of this subject. Folks that can be objective & not have a slant or bias one way or another. I don't see very well, not stupid. Thanks for the run down.

in my dreams · « **Reply #29 on:** Oct 14, 16, 08:39:35 PM »

There will only be a sewer system if the state mandates it. It's not part of the plan.

Highlander · « **Reply #30 on:** Oct 14, 16, 08:50:04 PM »

thehallmarks, howdy. I'm a retired Senior Public Works Inspector from the City of Los Angeles & you have a very valid point. "Planning" & Engineering" are about a third of the entire projected budget of any public works project. Not to mention "Environmental impact studies" etc. We should thank our lucky stars that no evidence of a Native American burial site or a Great Wooly Mammoth carcass was found when SR2 was being repaved or when the new catch basins were being constructed. We'd still be getting home via Largo Vista...

lynnc · « **Reply #31 on:** Oct 15, 16, 10:36:18 AM »

If the need should arise for the planning of a sewer system, the CSD will be responsible for the funding. We discussed this with Lovingood and other county reps at a meeting. They told us that grant funding would be available since the WW CSD is very small and there is funding out there. But they also assured us there is no plans for sewers in Wrightwood at this time and they don't see any in the near future. Can't promise what the future will bring.......

Lynn Crawford

Cheapskate · « **Reply #32 on:** Oct 16, 16, 07:51:25 AM »

I'm still inclined to vote no. This new CSD controls streetlights, solid waste, and our 2 small parks. Previous posts admitted that there was no problem with streetlights and solid waste, the parks were the issue. "Local control" means we can have new programs at the parks (although, given their size, not sure what those could be). My question is: is there a parks program that someone (the unnamed creator the walking school bus perhaps) has tried to start that the county has refused? If so, on what grounds? If not, what's the point?

tlc · « **Reply #33 on:** Oct 16, 16, 08:34:47 AM »

Years ago I presented a program called Open Schools, Open doors to the principal at the time/Snowline school district. This program would have created a partnership between the parks department and school for additional services such as Safekey, a before and after-school program for kids, and, use of the multi-purpose room and other activities in exchange for parks taking over maintenance of school grounds.

It was a legal document from CCP&R in NV and could have been adapted to work for Wrightwood residents.

Snowline at that time would not open a dialogue.

Cheapskate · « **Reply #34 on:** Oct 16, 16, 09:06:24 AM »

Thanks, TLC. It seems the problem there was Snowline, however; if they wouldn't work with the county, I think it is speculative that they would be more inclined to work with a CSD. Like you wrote, they refused to dialogue, so their concerns are unknown.

lynnc · « **Reply #35 on:** Oct 16, 16, 09:26:03 AM »

The intention is to have the Parks and Rec Department offer classes to residents that aren't being offered now. Such as craft classes, children's classes, more exercise classes, classes for seniors. There are many options out there that we don't get now because our Parks n Rec money goes into the county budget (and stays there). That was the starting point for the CSD in the first place.

Cheapskate · « **Reply #36 on:** Oct 16, 16, 09:40:56 AM »

OK. When was such a program proposed to county parks and rec...and the county refused? And why did they refuse?

tlc · « **Reply #37 on:** Oct 16, 16, 12:36:32 PM »

Lynn C and Cheapskate:

Running programs takes a lot of effort and coordination. It gets complicated dealing with a school, insurance, finding and cost of instructor, background checks, purchase of materials, how much to charge to make it affordable to all, factoring in depreciation; I could go on. In my former life it was called a pre-activity report. Who has the experience up here to commit to that? To be successful it really can't be a part time job and the CSD won't be allocating enough money (IMHO) for someone to take the job on.

The idea was proposed about 10 years ago and it was impossible to get a response from Snowline.

Cheapskate · « **Reply #38 on:** Oct 16, 16, 04:15:07 PM »

tlc,

If you're saying that creating a continuing, ongoing program is very difficult...thank you for making my point. Once a CSD is formed, new parks programs will no doubt be subject to all the regulations you just cited (and that are currently in place).

For fun, I looked at Phelan/Pinon Hills CSD parks programs. There are none. Just a fee schedule for using the community center https://www.pphcsd.org/parks_rec.html

We currently have a similar fee schedule in place (through the "dreaded"/infamous CSA 56 of sewer debate fame): http://www.specialdistricts.org/index.aspx?page=254

Point is: forming a CSA does not magically improve parks and rec programs. I continue to challenge: proponents, name the program you want to implement that the current structure is preventing.

tcaarabians · « **Reply #39 on:** Oct 17, 16, 11:39:04 AM »

I have no dog in this hunt, but I thought I'd chime in a bit anyway. I think the questions and points being made in these most recent posts are good questions and background info. as those of you in WW consider your vote.

I'm in the Pinon Hills/Phelan CSD. They do have monthly and occasional programs in the two community centers and the park (we have one park). Some are funded in conjunction with transfers from the County budget and in conjunction with local entities like the Chamber, Kiwani's etc. I love that they sponsor the 'summer movies' program for kids. Free movies, free popcorn, free soda. Bring your own mat and sit on the floor. This Grandma ain't gonna sit on the floor... but I think it's great that they do it. And, there are other community events the CSD is involved in to one extent or another. It would be up to your elected Board of Directors, with community input, to decide your priorities.

As for the question about funding for 'engineering' etc. if the water board requires sewers. .. I would double check the response from our Supervisor and county staff that the CSD would have to apply for grants to pay for it. If there is a determination that sewers will be required for sections of WW and if there is no CSD.. the County will be paying for it - grant or no grant. What has happened here is that the County transfers the monies to the local CSD. Those monies are part of your taxes to the County.

So, keep the debate going. What I love about our CSD is that it is local. I can get someone on the phone or via email and get a response faster than sitting on hold with the county. Good luck guys, cheryl o7o

Author Topic: Wrightwood CSD General Discussion (Read 128004 times)

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