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Offline Mrs. Hillbilly

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Re: Mountain lions, coyotes and bears, oh my!
« Reply #80 on: Jun 22, 11, 10:15:58 AM »
I was just talking with a friend who runs on the JPL road. I was thinking of trying it out this week.  Now I think I'll wait a few weeks and hope the cougar moves on.

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« Reply #81 on: Jun 22, 11, 11:26:47 AM »
They have really large territories so they tend not to stick in one place for very long.

Running with another person should be ok. Mt. Lions have been in this area longer than people. Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they haven't been here.  They are stealthy animals.

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« Reply #82 on: Jun 22, 11, 12:04:05 PM »
This is one reason we have dogs that we allow to run ahead of us.  If anyone has a close encounter with a mountain lion it will be my dogs, not my young children.

And I'd take a black bear encounter over a mountain lion any day.  Have had several enounters with black bears and they usually run right off with just a few claps.

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« Reply #83 on: Jun 22, 11, 02:02:24 PM »
Amen

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« Reply #84 on: Jun 22, 11, 06:30:27 PM »
Is the JPL road that everyone is referring to the little currently-closed road off of Table Mountain Rd labelled 4N21?

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« Reply #85 on: Jun 22, 11, 08:07:06 PM »
Is the JPL road that everyone is referring to the little currently-closed road off of Table Mountain Rd labelled 4N21?

Yes.  It starts at the big turnout at McLellan Flat, which is about halfway up the road to Table Mtn.

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« Reply #86 on: Jun 22, 11, 10:00:29 PM »
This is one reason we have dogs that we allow to run ahead of us.  If anyone has a close encounter with a mountain lion it will be my dogs, not my young children.

And I'd take a black bear encounter over a mountain lion any day.  Have had several enounters with black bears and they usually run right off with just a few claps.

I don't know that the dogs ahead of you would be the best thing. Keeping the "pack" together is better. But letting dogs off leash lets the dogs protect themselves and their pack. The numbers and the dogs' sense of smell are your best allies. (If your dogs know how to warn you.)

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« Reply #87 on: Jun 23, 11, 07:30:50 AM »
1. You shouldn't be letting your dogs run without their leashes anyway on those trails.
2. When my dog (who is leashed) scents bear, he is OUT OF THERE. That's fine with me, I consider him my early warning system.

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« Reply #88 on: Jun 23, 11, 09:24:50 AM »
TopDog, you should examine your logic,

1) Your dogs will never 'surprise' a mountain lion 'up ahead' and chase them off. It will probably pick up the your party first and will either be interested in a meal or not be bothered.

2) Mountain lions stalk prey from behind, generally leaping up when close enough and biting/crushing the neck (do you remember the woman bicyclist who was killed in O.C.?). Depending on wind direction, the dogs may or may not pick up their scent if too far ahead. For the same reason, kids should not lag behind.

3) Offering your dogs as lunch instead of you and your kids may not work as planned - unless your dogs have been tested, you don't if they will be scared and simply run away.

4) Depending on where you hike, having dogs off-leash in steep areas offers the opportunity for them to fall off the trail down the side if they get too excited, ie "squirrel!!!!". Flawless call-back when the dog is offered excitement is important. We've had local search & rescue dogs fall over the side and they are well trained, so one can never assume.

Tom hits the nail on the head, a 'pack' that stays together is not the most attractive target.

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« Reply #89 on: Jun 23, 11, 10:41:30 AM »
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That's what I was thinking.  Who has your back if the dogs are out in front....  :-\

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« Reply #90 on: Jun 23, 11, 10:56:45 AM »
Wow, look at all the commotion I caused.   :P

Yes, dogs provide excellent early warning signals - more to provide early warning to the wild animals than to signal early alerts to me.  Of course a mountain lion would know about us before we would know about it.  Our dogs make our pack bigger, more active, more alert, and less fun to attack.

As far as who has my back, well, that would be me.  I take the rear.  Kids are sandwiched.  Hopefully my dogs would come to my aid.  And hopefully our group is large enough to disuade even the most desperate mountain lion.  Our dogs are part of our family and do help provide protection, but the goal is not to have them eaten, the goal is to help make a lion think twice about approaching us.

BTW - my previous encounters with bears were at a previous home, in my yard, when my dogs were locked up. We've never encountered a bear on a trail with our dogs. 

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« Reply #91 on: Jun 23, 11, 11:15:00 AM »
Wow, look at all the commotion I caused.   :P

Yes, dogs provide excellent early warning signals - more to provide early warning to the wild animals than to signal early alerts to me.  Of course a mountain lion would know about us before we would know about it. 


That's a great point Top Dog. Something as simple as dog tags jingling in the distance could be enough to warn the cat that people are coming and scare the cat away. That's actally why I keep my dog tags on my mt. bike when I ride alone.

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« Reply #92 on: Jun 23, 11, 12:46:18 PM »
Wow, look at all the commotion I caused.   :P
Not to worry, sometimes written text doesn't say enough compared to a back and forth conversation, ie how exactly you all hike as a group.

I see I took 'ahead' to be perhaps too far away, but with only the short description, I would have felt remiss if I let it go with the chance you didn't know more about how they attack, we get folks new to the area all the time.

You are right about dogs signaling an early warning to predators. As for letting us know predators are out their, Toolman had a creepy hike one winter day. Took Buster (bullmastiff/boxer/? mix) and Lucy (boxer) on a hike over by Vincent gap (right and upper trail as you go away from town). Suddenly got near white out conditions with fog so he turned around and soon after the dogs 'alerted'. By that I mean, they had the cr@p scared out of them and I dunno how they did it, but they managed to walk forward as fast as they could with their heads pointed to the rear the whole way back to the parking lot. All's well that end's well.  ;D

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« Reply #93 on: Jun 23, 11, 01:49:59 PM »
Yikes! I've apparently seen one too many horror movies, because I'm seriously thinking "monsters in the fog!" Glad everyone was O.K.

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« Reply #94 on: Jun 23, 11, 01:58:29 PM »
We are on this road almost every day in the summer. Last night we saw a baby bobcat/mountain lion. It was was moving so fast across a log up towards the top...we couldn't tell exactly what it was. We are leaning towards baby mountain lion as an adult was seen just the day before in the same area.

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« Reply #95 on: Jun 23, 11, 02:42:15 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_lion

The cougar holds the Guinness record for the animal with the highest number of names, presumably due to its wide distribution across North and South America. It has over 40 names in English alone.

The cougar (Puma concolor), also known as puma, mountain lion, mountain cat, catamount or panther, depending on the region, is a mammal of the family Felidae, native to the Americas.



http://www.mountainlion.org/facts_safety.asp

Mountain Lion Safety Tips

Encounters with cougars are rare.  But if you live, work or recreate in cougar habitat, there are things you can do to enhance your safety and that of friends and family.
1.    When it comes to personal safety, always be aware of your surroundings, wherever you are; conduct yourself and attend to children and dependents accordingly.
2.    Landscape for safety. Remove vegetation that provides cover for cougars. Remove plants that attract wildlife (deer, raccoons, etc.). By attracting them you naturally attract their predator the cougar.
3.    Don't feed wildlife. Don't leave pet food outside. Both may attract cougars by attracting their natural prey.
4.    Keep pets secure. Roaming pets are easy prey for cougars.
5.    Confine and secure any livestock (especially at night) in pens, sheds, and barns.
6.    Don't approach a cougar. Most cougars want to avoid humans. Give a cougar the time and space to steer clear of you.
7.    Supervise children, especially outdoors between dusk and dawn. Educate them about cougars and other wildlife they might encounter.
8.    Always hike, backpack, and camp in wild areas with a companion.
9.    Never run past or from a cougar. This may trigger their instinct to chase. Make eye contact. Stand your ground. Pick up small children without, if possible, turning away or bending over.
10.    Never bend over or crouch down. Doing so causes humans to resemble four-legged prey animals. Crouching down or bending over also makes the neck and back of the head vulnerable.
11.    If you encounter a cougar, make yourself appear larger, more aggressive. Open your jacket, raise your arms, throw stones, branches, etc., without turning away. Wave raised arms slowly, and speak slowly, firmly, loudly to disrupt and discourage predatory behavior.
12.    Try to remain standing to protect head and neck and, if attacked, fight back with whatever is at hand (without turning your back) people have utilized rocks, jackets, garden tools, tree branches, and even bare hands to turn away cougars.

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Re: Mountain lions, coyotes and bears, oh my!
« Reply #96 on: Jun 23, 11, 05:24:14 PM »
Saw a deer in our backyard today.....top of Cardinal


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« Reply #97 on: Jun 23, 11, 07:07:51 PM »
How beautiful! 

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Re: Mountain lions, coyotes and bears, oh my!
« Reply #98 on: Jul 14, 11, 07:50:52 AM »
There was a bear in the front yard around 11:30 last night. It was making the rounds of front yards on my block.

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« Reply #99 on: Jul 14, 11, 08:19:51 AM »
Where area was the bear seen at?

 

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