Author Topic:  (Read 77868 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

alidansma

  • Guest
« Reply #20 on: Aug 04, 08, 04:08:21 PM »
Does that 5.25 gallons of water include water for washing?

We keep a big bottle of purell in our kit and baby wipes to cut down on the need for water to wash with. Everything else seems easy...but the water..you need a ton of water. 

You can buy nice water jugs (I have a 4 gal and 7 gal) at camping stores.  They come with a cap that can be reversed for a spigot.  I think they run between $10-15.  The 55 gal jugs also run about $15 if you buy them used, but you need to be careful what was stored in them originally. 

When (if) the water truck comes by you will be happy to have a jug you can carry to the truck.  So even if you have barrels, you want to have something portable.
~ali

Offline Wrightwood

  • Administrator
  • Raccoon
  • *****
  • Posts: Plenty of Posts!
  • Wildlife Gateway
« Reply #21 on: Aug 04, 08, 04:33:16 PM »
ali,
The minimum for basic short time needs is 1 gallon per person, per day.

5 gallons per person, per day allows enough for drinking, cooking and washing.

A good visualization is to look at a 1 gallon container of water and consider living off it for 24 hours.
How much of that gallon of water would be used for drinking if you were physically active during the emergency?









Then consider a 5 gallon container of water per person, per day.



Offline ForestGal

  • Raccoon
  • *****
  • Posts: 3773
  • Fight On!!
« Reply #22 on: Aug 04, 08, 04:51:08 PM »
Where can containers such as the blue one pictured above, be purchased?

Offline Chuck

  • Raccoon
  • *****
  • Posts: 1276
« Reply #23 on: Aug 04, 08, 04:55:41 PM »
Boston Bob has this special Indian blend.  He told me that you won't need as much if you have this.  I guess he plans to be drunk during emergencies!



 ;D

clint

  • Guest
Re: What's your level of earthquake preparedness?
« Reply #24 on: Aug 04, 08, 04:56:30 PM »
Sport Chalet - Rancho
REI - Rancho
Sports Authority - Rancho
Bass Pro Shops - Victoria Gardens
M&I Surplus - Pomona


Many if not most, disaster preparedness lists (including FEMA and Cal OES) propose 1 gallon per person per day for drinking only. Do you drink that much a day now?

We go camping in the desert with two people for two or three days, and consume less than five gallons total and that's drinking, cooking, washing dishes and washing people. No pets along though.

If you are planning on freeze dried food for your disaster kit you need more water. If you are planning on cold canned meat and fruit with juice you can drink you need less. If you have
pre-moistened field towels for hygiene you can have less. There is not a one solution fits all answer.

alidansma

  • Guest
« Reply #25 on: Aug 04, 08, 05:17:14 PM »
We also have a Sportsman's warehouse next to Costco in Victorville that carries those water jugs as well as other camping stuff.
I remember a recent disaster situation where people were trying to take soda bottles and milk jugs to the trucks to be filled and you really need something with a wider mouth than that for refilling - I have a lot of water in well washed gallon juice (and tea) jugs also - they are wide mouthed and pretty sturdy.

 Another goodie - a  company called eton (link : http://www.etoncorp.com/GeneralMenu) also puts out a little hand crank radio, with a flashlight on it and a cell phone charger (you need to mail in for the cell phone charger and they send the one that works for your phone).  They sell a couple of models at Target.

It really is a good time to go through and replenish the earthquake kit!
~ali

Offline Leftfield

  • Raccoon
  • *****
  • Posts: 757
« Reply #26 on: Aug 04, 08, 05:44:09 PM »
Its time to get your calculators out and figure out how much SPACE it would take to store 5 gal of water for a family of 4 for 2 weeks.  Please answer not in cubic feet but in linear feet. 
_ feet x _ feet x _ feet. 

What I see is about a half a single car garage full of water that could not stacked because of the weight of the water crushing the cannisters below it.   Now multiply that by several thousand people (those below will be coming up).  We might consider ourselves lucky if there is snow on the ground when it happens.  Realistically, I cant see it being possible to  store that much water for 2 weeks.  Three to five days is might be much more manageable but is it enough?

Offline Wrightwood

  • Administrator
  • Raccoon
  • *****
  • Posts: Plenty of Posts!
  • Wildlife Gateway
« Reply #27 on: Aug 04, 08, 08:54:32 PM »
As Clint pointed out there is not a one solution to fit all.

Personally I would rather have enough to take care of our personal needs without skimping and help a few neighbors/friends if needed. I just don't see 1 gal per person, per day accomplishing that while others may think that's just fine. It should also be noted that these numbers are assuming that all water containers remain undamaged or no spillage.

Leftfield if indeed you wanted to store 5 gals per person, per day for 14 days it would take 5 - 55 gallon drums.
The space required would be: 2ft wide x 10ft long x 35" high
(55 gal drum = 34-3/4" tall by 23-1/4" in diameter)

For your family of 4:
1 gallon per person, per day for 14 days = 56 gals

Most disaster preparedness websites also recommend storing enough food and water for 3 days. This is not considered long enough by experts for the conditions anticipated in the Swarthout Valley after a major earthquake. This valley will be isolated for an extended period of time due to its remote location and small population.

Offline Leftfield

  • Raccoon
  • *****
  • Posts: 757
« Reply #28 on: Aug 04, 08, 09:37:15 PM »
For those of us who dont have garages, storing 5 drums of water may pose quite an undertaking.  First, where can someone get plastic drums and hand pump (since there wont be any electricity for a while)?

Those of us that do have garages, may find that the garage may have collapse or the drums themselves tipping over since they arent strapped down.  (I can see it now....dozens of heavy 200lbs drums rolling down Pine because they werent or cant be strapped down.   :o  We do strap down the water heater which is about the same size.)

Please dont get me wrong...we should prepare but some things though easily said, need some thoughts.

Offline ChattyCathy

  • Raccoon
  • *****
  • Posts: 1691
  • Your Damsel in Defense Pro
« Reply #29 on: Aug 04, 08, 09:48:20 PM »
I have 3 55-gallon drums that are strapped together, thus more likely not to roll away.

Offline Wrightwood

  • Administrator
  • Raccoon
  • *****
  • Posts: Plenty of Posts!
  • Wildlife Gateway
« Reply #30 on: Aug 04, 08, 09:55:36 PM »
We have our drums outside and chained to the outside wall of the house. (out of direct sunlight)

desert5150

  • Guest
Re: What's your level of earthquake preparedness?
« Reply #31 on: Aug 04, 08, 10:39:08 PM »
If you want water drums, pumps, purification tablets, etc., I suggest M&I surplus on Gary Avenue in the most lovely and peaceful community of Pomona.  They have all kinds of goodies.

Offline BikingBrian

  • Bear
  • ****
  • Posts: 447
Re: What's your level of earthquake preparedness?
« Reply #32 on: Aug 04, 08, 10:48:27 PM »
For those of us who dont have garages, storing 5 drums of water may pose quite an undertaking.  First, where can someone get plastic drums and hand pump (since there wont be any electricity for a while)?

Those of us that do have garages, may find that the garage may have collapse or the drums themselves tipping over since they arent strapped down.  (I can see it now....dozens of heavy 200lbs drums rolling down Pine because they werent or cant be strapped down.   :o  We do strap down the water heater which is about the same size.)

Please dont get me wrong...we should prepare but some things though easily said, need some thoughts.

I have to agree - I can see a lot of other potential problems with storing drums of water - freezing in the winter, contaminated water when you happen to open the drum, etc.

As crazy as it sounds, if we really need to plan to be isolated for a couple of weeks in the event of a major disaster, I wonder if a big storage tank for the town would be more effective than every household having one or more 55 gal drums?

Offline Wrightwood

  • Administrator
  • Raccoon
  • *****
  • Posts: Plenty of Posts!
  • Wildlife Gateway
« Reply #33 on: Aug 04, 08, 11:37:43 PM »
We have stored 55 & 30 gallon drums of water outdoors for more than 10 years in Wrightwood. The drums are drained and refilled each spring with the appropriate amount of bleach added. When the water is dumped it has always been as fresh as the day it was filled.

I don't understand the problems you are anticipating.

Offline BikingBrian

  • Bear
  • ****
  • Posts: 447
Re: What's your level of earthquake preparedness?
« Reply #34 on: Aug 04, 08, 11:55:47 PM »
I've had problems with bugs growing in stored water before - but perhaps I didn't have enough bleach.  Have you ever tasted the water you stored before watering the trees?  Have you checked to see if the water in the drums freezes during the winter?  Are you sure that drums sitting outside aren't at risk from being punctured during a quake?  Furthermore, I'm not up in town full time, so I'd have to wonder whether someone has tampered with a drum sitting outside.

I'm tempted to just stick with the 40 gallons in the water heater plus several boxes of plastic water jugs from Costco.  Having water spread out in several smaller storage containers seems like less of a risk to me compared to having all of my eggs in one basket with one or two big drums.

clint

  • Guest
« Reply #35 on: Aug 05, 08, 08:40:48 AM »
"As crazy as it sounds, if we really need to plan to be isolated for a couple of weeks in the event of a major disaster, I wonder if a big storage tank for the town would be more effective than every household having one or more 55 gal drums?"

Uh, where do you think your water comes from now? There are multiple "big storage tanks" all around the community. The problem is that if a quake damages the pipes, many of which are quite old, the delivery system will fail. You can't just store water in a tank indefinitely. It has to be cycled through to stay fresh. Further, the PUC regulates water storage. The water company has wanted to increase our storage capacity for some time but the PUC says what we have is adequate for the community and won't permit expansion of the current storage.

clint

  • Guest
« Reply #36 on: Aug 05, 08, 08:42:16 AM »
And Desert 5150, I couldn't agree more about M&I Surplus. One of my favorite stores.

clint

  • Guest
« Reply #37 on: Aug 05, 08, 08:45:45 AM »
Here is a good source for water barrels, pumps, purification, etc.

http://www.disastersurvivalskills.com/Foodandwater.html

Chesslike

  • Guest
A warning against shaky preparations
« Reply #38 on: Aug 05, 08, 09:38:53 AM »
A warning against shaky preparations
Article Launched: 07/30/2008 11:00:11 PM PDT

Well, most of us needed the reminder.

And Tuesday's magnitude-5.4 earthquake centered in Chino Hills was almost ideal to jog our memories that we live in quake country, subject to shaking at any moment. There was no loss of life, just a few minor injuries and not much property damage.

Luckily, Chino Hills is a relatively new community, incorporated in 1991, that enjoyed explosive growth in the late '90s and earlier this decade. That means most of its buildings went up under the 1997 building code update that followed the killer 6.7 Northridge quake of 1994.

But Tuesday's shaker was an attention-getter. Now we need that attention to translate into action. We'd suggest that this Saturday - while the memory is fresh - would be a great day to bring all your quake supplies and family contingency plans back up to snuff if they've turned a bit musty.

We admit we've let our own readiness slip a bit, and we bet you have too. We haven't had much in the way of quakes since the first half of the '90s - when besides Northridge there were quakes north of Upland and near Landers and Big Bear.

Of course, the catastrophic quake in China should have spurred us to get ready. So should have the May warning from geologists that a huge quake like the one in China will hit us one day, and that we're not really up to it on individual or governmental levels.

But actually getting shaken up is a more visceral reminder.

Government agencies were already planning a massive drill in November - called the "Great Southern California ShakeOut" - designed to prepare for a 7.8 quake on the San Andreas Fault that scientists say would shake for three minutes and result in 1,800 deaths.

So Saturday would be good time to get prepared for the Big One we're told is inevitable. What does that involve?

Water is the thing you just can't do without. You need to store enough at home to get your family through three days at least, preferably seven, in case your water supply gets severed. Same for food: seven days worth of canned goods and packaged foods that would be easy to prepare or could be eaten right out of the container. You'll need to rotate the stored water and food so it's still good when you need it.

Don't forget the family vehicles, which should carry a handipack of water, some food and comfortable shoes.

Draw up or update an emergency plan for your family. Choose a place to meet if you can't communicate by phone or text. (Cell phone networks and even some land lines were overwhelmed by the huge spike in calls after Tuesday's temblor; the Big One would cause much worse problems.) And everyone in the family should carry an out-of-state contact number to call so you can all report in.

Tend to the house, too. You need a turn-off wrench for your gas meter or an automatic shutoff valve. Secure bookcases and all heavy, tall furniture. Safety latches on cabinets are a good idea. It's all coming back to you, right?

Do it now, before the memory of the Chino Hills quake fades.

clint

  • Guest
Re: What's your level of earthquake preparedness?
« Reply #39 on: Aug 05, 08, 09:52:55 AM »
Biking Brian mentioned something that is very good to remember:

Your water heater. Most homes already have 40 to 50 gallons of fresh water stored all the time. Even more if you include toilet tanks. Tanks not bowels folks! The tank holds several gallons of fresh water.

But...

You have to have a way to get at that water in the water heater. If the water supply  pressure is interrupted the only way to drain water from your water heater is through the clean out drain at the bottom of the tank. Anyone try to get water out of there lately? These drains are frequently ignored and stuck or clogged. If you drain off a few gallons once a month you will keep the valve operable and improve the life of your water heater. Now how about that toilet tank water. There is between two and five gallons in a conventional toilet tank. But DO NOT put a toilet bowel cleaner in the tank. Blue water is not potable water.

How about another emergency water source? Swarthout Creek, Sheep Creek, Heath Creek. Purchase a hand pump water filter from a sporting goods store. I happen to prefer the MSR brand but they all do a good job.  These little filters have been used by backpackers and foreign travelers for years. They remove all the nasty little bugs that can make you sick.

So being disaster prepared does not mean you have to invest in several 55 gallon drums. Be resourceful.