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Re: Bears!
« Reply #200 on: Mar 27, 09, 09:37:52 AM »
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Re: Bears!
« Reply #201 on: Jul 10, 09, 07:50:26 AM »

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Re: Bears! Jackson flats
« Reply #202 on: Jul 12, 09, 11:10:23 AM »
Last night a boy got scratched by a bear. He was camping with a boyscout troop around Jackson Flats. I guess he was sleeping outside of the tent, felt something touching his head, thought it was the other kids but then looked up and saw a bear. He screamed and the bear clawed his head. He was transported to hospital with a about a 3 inch gash on his head. He was fine but i'm sure it was pretty scary! I just camped up there with my kids a few weeks back.

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« Reply #203 on: Jul 12, 09, 11:18:26 AM »
Glad to hear he's ok.  What a story he'll have to tell.

Does the boys scouts have a badge for that?

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« Reply #204 on: Jul 13, 09, 12:59:48 PM »
Glad to hear he's ok.  What a story he'll have to tell.

Does the boys scouts have a badge for that?
  The Red Badge of Courage.

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« Reply #205 on: Jul 14, 09, 06:17:59 AM »
Someone told me that they heard the Forest Service and others were out looking for the bear yesterday with rifles.  Anyone else know about this?  I certainly hope they are not out there to shoot this bear, for one thing how would they know if it was the same bear? It sounds like to me that the boy and the bear scared each other and the bear took a swipe with his paw in his defense. I feel for the boy but can't help thinking if he would have been sleeping in a tent this probably would not have happened. I just hope what I heard is not true, that they are not out there with the intent to kill the bear.

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #206 on: Jul 14, 09, 07:13:17 AM »
The bear was hunted and killed by fish and game hunters after being tracked by hounds.  They matched the tracks to the bear that was at the campsite and will do Rabies and DNA testing. They actually found the yearling bear wandering around the camp where the attack took place.  During the search, another bear was captured and released when it was determined it had nothing to do with the unprovoked attack.  Most bear attacks are related to food or defending cubs but Black Bear attacks can also be predatory. 

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #207 on: Jul 14, 09, 07:59:20 AM »
I have a hard time with an unprovoked attack, as it sounds like the boy and bear scared each other!  Also, a swipe with a paw in the moment  does not sound like a bear attack to me.  Maybe I'm wrong but it saddens me to no end that a bear was killed for this act :'(.  Why they could not of tranquilized the bear and placed it high in the mountains is beyond me, especially if it was a yearling cub.  I think it would of adapted OK.

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« Reply #208 on: Jul 14, 09, 08:45:36 AM »
Oh this makes me so mad!!  Those guys were in the store yesterday and I asked them what they were doing up here.  They told me that they were on their way up to look for this bear and that Forestry was going to relocate the bear.  They lied to me!!!!!! 
My question is why was this boy sleeping outside instead of a tent?  Why, why, why???  Was it to earn a new badge for boy scouts?  And who decides if the bear needs to be put down??
I'm thinking if this boy was inside a tent then this wouldn't have happened and the bear would still be alive!!
The thing that really gets me are the stupid, ignorant people that build their houses right at the forests edge or even people that live right here in the forest and complain about the wildlife.
"Oh my god, there's a bear getting into my trash cans".  "Oh my god, there's a mountain lion on my property".  "Oh my god,
a coyote ate my cat".  Well people if you can't handle the wildlife, then why do you choose to live here??? 
And then there's the ones that come up to camp.  Again, why?  "There's a bear in our camp, Oh my god, what to do"?
I can guarantee you that there was food around that boys campsite and that's why the bear showed up. 
Ok, I'm done now!  Just tired of the ignorance!!!!

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #209 on: Jul 14, 09, 09:10:18 AM »
Fish and Game almost always solely makes the decisions in situations like this, regardless of the jurisdiction of the incident.  When a bear has a physical human encounter, it's a very serious situation and it's usually policy nationwide to take out that bear. Imagine if they relocated a known bear involved in a human attack, and it did it again and killed someone?

The good thing is, it sounds like they identified the right bear, and no other animals were killed.

Unfortunately, it sounds like food was involved in the sleeping bag along with residual food on the clothing of the young boy. Regardless, the bear did something wrong. Most bears may be tempted by this situation, but not act on it. This one crossed the line of normal behavior.

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #210 on: Jul 14, 09, 10:41:31 AM »
I have to agree with cinchy and Sage. This doesn't sound right! They should have relocated it.

hikin_jim

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #211 on: Jul 14, 09, 11:20:21 AM »
I'm not saying I like bears getting shot, but perhaps it should be noted that there aren't a whole lot of places to relocate a bear anymore.  From what I've read, once a bear gets habituated to human food, that bear will seek it out.  Just about anywhere in this area (say within a day's drive) is within bear walking distance of human food.

In other words, the real issue is food storage and handling.  The culprit isn't the DFG; the culprit isn't the bear; the culprit isn't someone sleeping outside of a tent.  The real culprit is careless people who allow a bear to get into their food.  The bear gets "the taste," the bear becomes a "problem bear," and the bear winds up getting shot.  That's the real issue.

Regarding sleeping in our out of a tent:  A tent is zero protection.  If a bear smells food, into the tent he goes.  Trust me; I've seen it happen.  If the door is zipped, rip goes tent.  Bears break into the trunks of cars.  Cars are metal; tents are cloth.  Tents are zero protection. 

I think it's unfair to blame the Scout (or the Scoutmaster) for not sleeping in a tent.  If the bear smelled food, he'd rip that tent right open, which is actually more dangerous (you + bear + confined space = bad) than if you're "sleeping under the stars."  Sleeping under the stars is a common practice, particularly in summer in Southern California.  We should not blame the Scout for not being in a tent any more than we should blame him for breathing, eating, or drinking.  The real issue is whether or not he and his troop were observing proper bear country food storage and handling.  If they weren't storing and handling their food properly for bear country, then I'd definitely say they're negligent.  But don't blame someone for doing something so innocent as sleeping out under the stars.  I understand a bear being shot is upsetting, but we need to get to the real issue (food storage/handling) rather than finding a "fall guy," yes?

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #212 on: Jul 14, 09, 12:07:33 PM »

My question is why was this boy sleeping outside instead of a tent?  Why, why, why???  Was it to earn a new badge for boy scouts? 

One of the requirements for the "wilderness survival" merit badge is to build a shelter using what ever is around (no tent or sleeping bag) and sleep in it overnight.  Obviously this is in case one gets lost while on a hike.  Our troop did this requirement last month when they camped at the Wrightwood Methodist Camp on Elm.  So yes, there is a requirement for a badge that the boy sleep outside a tent, though probably not in this case...  It would be interesting to know if these were BOY SCOUTS or CUB SCOUTS (big difference).  I think most boy scouts are aware of bear danger and how to handle/store food- these items are covered in camping, wilderness survival, etc.. and all the boy scout camps discuss this.

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« Reply #213 on: Jul 14, 09, 12:16:05 PM »

In other words, the real issue is food storage and handling.  The culprit isn't the DFG; the culprit isn't the bear; the culprit isn't someone sleeping outside of a tent.  The real culprit is careless people who allow a bear to get into their food.  The bear gets "the taste," the bear becomes a "problem bear," and the bear winds up getting shot.  That's the real issue.


You are absolutely 100% correct Jim.   


That's the bottom line

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #214 on: Jul 14, 09, 12:20:18 PM »
Bears living near a campground come into the campground looking for and finding food that the campers leave discarded around when they leave for home. They get accustomed to free food. They then look for food when the campers are still in camp. As some have mentioned here, Store food unaccessable to wild life. Bears have broken into cars to get food. Cars and tents will not stop a bear that smells food.

When in 'bear country,' don't invite ! Dispose of trash and food in a safe manner. The life you save may be your own.

angiepoo

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #215 on: Jul 14, 09, 12:25:09 PM »
Ok, so I guess I'm wrong about the tent thing.  But right about the food situation.  We have campers come into Jensens all the time and I always tell them to be sure to secure their food because of bears.  They always give me a shocked look and say "There's bears up here"?   DUH!!!  You're in the forest, where do you think bears come from??  Does a bear $#@^ in the woods??  Here's your sign!!!!

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« Reply #216 on: Jul 14, 09, 03:10:15 PM »
I am the scoutmaster for the group involved with the bear this last weekend.  Just for the record:
We are a Boy Scout Troop local to the area.

The camp host informed us that two bears had been frequenting the camp and this information was discussed in detail with the scouts.

Almost all the scouts and leaders have quite a bit of camping/backpacking experience.

The bear(s) came into camp first about 1:30 am.  One of the bears sniffed at one of the other leaders - he was eye to eye for a minute, then it wandered off not finding anything of interest. 

The bear got into a box with packets of sugar for coffee that we missed and a tin of lemonade mix.  All the other food was in the bear boxes that we know of.  One bear left a large paw print on one of the food lockers, so they knew goodies were inside and were trying to figure that out.

Some of the boys were sleeping out and others in tents.  The same for the leaders.  It was a beautiful night with a slight breeze and no bugs.  I have slept without a tent throughout California for over 35 years without incident, nor have I heard of anything like t his happening.  The paramedic had the same comment saying he hadn't seen anything like this in his 18 years of service.

The bears returned several times and were chased away each time.

About 3 am we heard the bears again and got up to chase them away.  We heard the one scout yell out.  He thought one of the other boys was pushing him.  Either the scout had food very near/in his bag or smelled good for some reason, but the bear was interested.

It pawed at his sleeping bag cutting it.  Then it either pawed his head or touched him in some way making one single cut on the back of his head. 

Based on the single cut, I do not believe it was an aggressive move on the part of the bear.

The bear ran off and we attended to the scout transporting him to Wrightwood and then by paramedic to Kaiser where he received 10 stitches to close the wound.  He is fine, recovering well and very fortunate.

We have been in touch with the DFG, but I do not know the status of the bear.  They did take his sleeping bag for possible DNA confirmation if the bear was caught.

After the scout told his story to the rest of the troop last night, we spent quite a bit of time again discussing smellables, proper camp setup and food storage.

All things considered, I feel we were observing proper storage procedures, but obviously should have been more meticulous about inspecting the camp before going to bed and then reminding the scouts again about no food around the sleeping areas.

I felt it necessary to provide the facts as I am aware.  If you would like to ask me any specific questions feel free.
Greg Z.

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #217 on: Jul 14, 09, 03:30:13 PM »
Thank you for the detailed account Greg.

As the director at a local camp, I am always concerned when I hear about local bears getting too comfortable with people. Needless to say, this will be a lesson the scouts will never forget.

I think we all could admit that wildlife is not always predictable and we must do all we can to limit human interaction with wildlife. Sleeping under the stars is a great way to spend a night. I've had many groups of kids under the stars without incident. This is just another reminder of the risks we take when we camp.

It's good to know that the scout is safe.

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« Reply #218 on: Jul 14, 09, 04:13:50 PM »
I am the scoutmaster for the group involved with the bear this last weekend.  Just for the record:
We are a Boy Scout Troop local to the area.

The camp host informed us that two bears had been frequenting the camp and this information was discussed in detail with the scouts.

Almost all the scouts and leaders have quite a bit of camping/backpacking experience.

The bear(s) came into camp first about 1:30 am.  One of the bears sniffed at one of the other leaders - he was eye to eye for a minute, then it wandered off not finding anything of interest. 

The bear got into a box with packets of sugar for coffee that we missed and a tin of lemonade mix.  All the other food was in the bear boxes that we know of.  One bear left a large paw print on one of the food lockers, so they knew goodies were inside and were trying to figure that out.

Some of the boys were sleeping out and others in tents.  The same for the leaders.  It was a beautiful night with a slight breeze and no bugs.  I have slept without a tent throughout California for over 35 years without incident, nor have I heard of anything like t his happening.  The paramedic had the same comment saying he hadn't seen anything like this in his 18 years of service.

The bears returned several times and were chased away each time.

About 3 am we heard the bears again and got up to chase them away.  We heard the one scout yell out.  He thought one of the other boys was pushing him.  Either the scout had food very near/in his bag or smelled good for some reason, but the bear was interested.

It pawed at his sleeping bag cutting it.  Then it either pawed his head or touched him in some way making one single cut on the back of his head. 

Based on the single cut, I do not believe it was an aggressive move on the part of the bear.

The bear ran off and we attended to the scout transporting him to Wrightwood and then by paramedic to Kaiser where he received 10 stitches to close the wound.  He is fine, recovering well and very fortunate.

We have been in touch with the DFG, but I do not know the status of the bear.  They did take his sleeping bag for possible DNA confirmation if the bear was caught.

After the scout told his story to the rest of the troop last night, we spent quite a bit of time again discussing smellables, proper camp setup and food storage.

All things considered, I feel we were observing proper storage procedures, but obviously should have been more meticulous about inspecting the camp before going to bed and then reminding the scouts again about no food around the sleeping areas.

I felt it necessary to provide the facts as I am aware.  If you would like to ask me any specific questions feel free.
Greg Z.
Sounds like you guys were prepared and know your stuff.  A little slip like a packet of sugar happens to us all.  It's not good, but that's the way life is.

I'm so glad to hear it that your troop was acting responsibly.  I hate it when I hear of incidents that reflect poorly on the Scouts.

Be prepared,

HJ

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Re: Bears!
« Reply #219 on: Jul 15, 09, 08:42:51 AM »
I still can't understand why anyone would (or would be allowed to) sleep outside of a tent (yes I know tents aren't bear proof) when there are bears showing up in a campground.  You stated that you shooed away a couple of bears throughout the evening so you guys knew they were hanging around.  For instance in Yellowstone, where bears come through the campgrounds, they will not allow any soft sided tents to be put up, you either have to be in a trailer, a truck with a camper shell, or a RV. It is just such a sad ordeal that a bear was killed when it could of been prevented.

 

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