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shrub recomendation
« on: Sep 28, 09, 08:30:01 PM »
O.K.--question: the front of my yard has a row of lilacs, and the one on the end fills in the corner between my neighbor's and my yard. There is a small one next to the corner plant, that grows between my neighbor's and my yard. Then, there is a 10-12 foot gap; next, a youngish pine tree (maybe 15 ft?), then Lombardy Poplars along the rest of the property line. I'm trying to figure out what shrub to put in the gap. It gets about half day of sun, and my neighbors have a young tree near there that will eventually shade the area. Should I go with more lilacs? I love the Rose of Sharon but am concerned they wouldn't get enough light.  I want something that flowers, hopefully more than one flush. . . (shrub to cover chain link fence, as opposed to tree.)
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Re: shrub recomendation
« Reply #1 on: Sep 28, 09, 10:04:12 PM »
'couple of clarifications:

- what type of tree is the young tree that your neighbors have?
- how does the sun face the area?
- the shrub will abut the chain link fence, right?

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Re: shrub recomendation
« Reply #2 on: Sep 29, 09, 12:53:31 AM »
One more,

- how tall is the chain link?

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Re: shrub recomendation
« Reply #3 on: Sep 29, 09, 01:17:01 AM »
Hey, my neighbors are out walking their dogs! :2thumbsup:
The tree is a purple leaf ash, just planted 2 yrs ago. They said its a slow grower.
The chain link is about 4, 4 1/2 ft tall.
The fence kind of runs WNW, but trees shade in the AM and PM. I would say 5-6 hrs max of overhead sun. Wish I knew its shade tendancies a little better, but we've been here a little over 6 weeks, and I didn't care the first couple of weeks!!

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« Reply #4 on: Sep 29, 09, 02:04:28 AM »
I would say 5-6 hrs max of overhead sun. Wish I knew its shade tendancies a little better, but we've been here a little over 6 weeks, and I didn't care the first couple of weeks!

I haven't seen the site, but if you want repeat bloom, I'd suggest planting rose(s) there - and yes, there are quite a few that would be satisfied with 5-6hrs of sun. Most bushes, like ornamental trees, have only one bloom period per year, i.e. forsythia (there are small varieties you can get if you don't have room), lilac and viburnmum ('snowball bush').

When we moved up here, I inherited several large shrub roses (could be small climbers if you, I dunno, I haven't ID'd them yet) that did fantastically, so I've added a few others in the last couple of years and they've almost all performed very well, also. In SoCal, the biggest problems with roses are mildew and rust (fungi) which thankfully are not a big problem up here since the climate is so dry. I do not spray my roses whatsoever. You may get a few aphids (wait until your first spring when the lady bugs swarm, you will just swoon!) a touch of mildew, but nothing to do anything about. Really all you need to do is be able to water (we are on drip) and fertilize.

You will find that established, large shrubby roses really don't require a lot of water and can be grown under drought-ish conditions, particularly IF you grow more of the old garden roses rather than conventional hybrid teas (which I was not suggesting).

This year I have jumped into the big end of the pool so to speak and gotten into old garden roses (OGRs) in a big way. If you chose carefully (and I'd be happy to help), you can have a few bushes in this spot that will fill it up well (and more if you like), repeat from spring through frost AND provide some lovely fragrance.

Some OGRs do only bloom once a year. If I had acres I'd have them, too, but I don't so I stay away from them. However, there are plenty that do, many are 'found' roses that rose rustlers have found by the wayside or in abandoned cemeteries (it used to be a custom to plant a rose at gravesides) and have temporary names like 'Grandmother's Hat' and 'Placerville White Noisette'. You know these roses are for the most part a slam dunk if they can survive for years and years without care and probably only the water that nature provides (I do plan to provide more than that, however).

I stayed away from these roses for a long time because many have long French names and I was intimidated, but I found a terrific rose forum that has educated me a lot just by my lurking. And besides having a long chain link fence to fill, I finally said to myself "Self, my name is lagomorphmom, and I will never take the time to spray my roses (not that it's an environmentally good thing anyway), so let's not kid yourself, you need to look elsewhere". So, finally, this year was it.

There are quite a few online vendors, mostly mom & pop businesses, that keep these wonderful roses in production. Sadly, many have fallen by the wayside in this recession. I chose to give my business to ones on this coast to save shipping.

One other idea to get used to is that these roses are mostly sold as 'bands' as they are started from slips. It is recommended that you place them in gallon pots for a couple of months and then set them out in the garden. I have come to embrace this form factor as 'Self' is never very prompt about planting bare root body bags from HD or where ever and thus have lost several that way and wasted a lot of money. In addition (and most importantly) you only need to dig a hole a bit larger than a gallon pot, which in WW is a GOOD thing!!!

If you want more info pm me. I'll also try to post an article soon on growing roses in drought conditions that I found very interesting.

Good luck whatever you chose!!!

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Re: shrub recomendation
« Reply #5 on: Sep 29, 09, 03:11:38 AM »
Well, we sort of had A LOT of overgrown roses at our old house, and my hubby has announced he does not want anymore roses >:(
I did order a pair  of climbing roses for my porch, and he just about had a heart attack (well, not THAT bad. . .) Cl. Etoile de Holland, from Vintage Gardens, by the way  :2thumbsup:. (I really hate having a PO box. . .waiting for their arrival) Hopefully a nice pile of straw or something will protect them through the winter--I just couldn't wait!!!!

Of course, if you have a couple of absolute favorites to recommend  ;)

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« Reply #6 on: Sep 29, 09, 03:58:12 AM »
I did order a pair  of climbing roses for my porch, and he just about had a heart attack (well, not THAT bad. . .) Cl. Etoile de Holland, from Vintage Gardens, by the way  :2thumbsup:.

VINTAGE GARDENS??? We are going to be goooood friends  ;D

Ok, no pressure and just kidding, but I'll send you a pm and we can 'chat' but I'll have to have a secret name for your husband! Should you need a 'pruning friend' I'd be happy to help.

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Re: shrub recomendation
« Reply #7 on: Sep 29, 09, 04:39:28 AM »
Don't forget to plant drought tolerant and firewise  ;)


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« Reply #8 on: Sep 29, 09, 04:49:26 PM »
Roses are surprisingly drought tolerant once established :2thumbsup:.  My Christmas list is ca$h, ca$h, ca$h, so I can spend it at the Rancho Santa Anna Botanical Gardens spring plant sale!!!! (CA native specialists and research center at the Claremont Colleges) Hopefully I will have a grand design by then. I confess, I will also have a couple thirsty areas--I can't help myself. They will be well placed and well mulched though!

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« Reply #9 on: Sep 29, 09, 11:57:36 PM »
Rancho Santa Anna Botanical Gardens spring plant sale!!!! (CA native specialists and research center at the Claremont Colleges)

Road trip!?!

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« Reply #10 on: Sep 30, 09, 12:09:27 AM »
Right, I mean Ride on! :elefant:
There's also one the first weekend of Nov., for any flatland gardens (which would benefit from fall planting :2thumbsup:)