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Offline Wrightwood

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Mystery of the dying seedlings in the Cuyamaca forest
« on: Oct 29, 10, 06:21:16 PM »
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Re: Mystery of the dying seedlings in the Cuyamaca forest
« Reply #1 on: Oct 29, 10, 07:26:42 PM »
Interesting article.  And very sad, to hear that new trees are having a difficult time getting established.  I'm not sure where Cuyamaca is, but I know it's up north of here.  That fire must have been horrific.

On the subject of new tree growth, a friend and I hiked, several weeks ago, from Dawson Saddle up to the PCT, then down the PCT to Islip Saddle.  The trail passes through a lot of burned area, can't remember the name of that fire, or how long ago that one was.  I think it's the one that had some rumored occult beginnings, down the hill south of there.  But, on the positive side, we observed lots of new growth, including zillions of baby trees in that area.  They came up on their own, and are looking pretty healthy, considering how little moisture they get during the summer.

I didn't know about Ceanothus and nitrogen being released into the soil.  There are hundreds of varieties of ceanothus, one of which is the plant we refer to as "wild lilac", which blooms so profusely in the spring in LPC.  Another is the spiny one, don't know the common name, which is more low growing but is a favorite of our local deer.  That one is pretty overgrown on the PCT, the last 2 miles from Little Jimmy campground down to Islip Saddle.  I wore capri pants that day, and wished I had worn long jeans.  Still a beautiful hike though, about 8 miles.

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Re: Mystery of the dying seedlings in the Cuyamaca forest
« Reply #2 on: Oct 29, 10, 08:42:11 PM »
Climate change. I'd bet that area is right on the lower altitude limit of those trees (though the article doesn't mention the kind of trees).  But I think climate change is going to have some winners too.  I think we will see positive change in some of the deserts.  I would love to have access to month to month rainfall figures for large areas of southern california going back 75 years.  I'd like to see 10-year avg rainfall 75 years ago vs. the 10-year avg rainfall to current.  I *bet* the desert is becoming wetter...

Oh...and I think the fire you are thinking of was called the Bridge fire...because of it's proximity to the Bridge to Nowhere. I believe that was the one started in the East Fork of the SG River...unless I'm way off.

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Re: Mystery of the dying seedlings in the Cuyamaca forest
« Reply #3 on: Oct 29, 10, 09:35:05 PM »
No... The Bridge fire was in the San Bernardino Mountains.

http://www.incidentcontrol.com/bridgefire/index.html

ForestGal is most likely talking about the Narrows Fire and commonly referred to as the Charim or toilet paper Fire.
http://forestry.about.com/library/weekly/aa082597.htm

Cuyamaca is in the San Diego area.

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Re: Mystery of the dying seedlings in the Cuyamaca forest
« Reply #4 on: Oct 29, 10, 10:07:50 PM »
Oops. I mistakenly stated that Cuyamaca was north of here.  I'm pretty geographically challenged.  UGH!   :P

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Re: Mystery of the dying seedlings in the Cuyamaca forest
« Reply #5 on: Oct 30, 10, 08:18:31 AM »
Cuyamaca Rancho State Park is east of San Diego, south of Julian.  It was one of the most beautiful state parks I have seen.  It had a large number of black oaks and lots of meadows.  Wonderful hiking.  The fire took out nearly all the black oaks.  90% of the park burned.  After the fire, they speculated that most of the oaks would not return and in 100 years, it would be a totally different type of vegetation.

In the article they mention cedar and pine, but nothing about the oaks. 

An interesting side note - my parents had owned a house there on North Peak - overlooking Lake Cuyamaca.  It had two beautiful large oaks on the property.  They sold the house a few years before the fire.  After the fire they went to look at the property and the trees were obliterated by the fire.  No sign of them.  They suspect the propane tank for the house exploded and the trees were completely taken out by the fire.  Most of the houses on North Peak burned also, along with the trees.