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Re: Wildfire News 2020
« Reply #420 on: Sep 19, 20, 10:24:47 PM »
I'm sure you will, but please post any evacuation order for Wrightwood <3  Yours is the easiest social media to follow!!!

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Re: Wildfire News 2020- Bobcat Fire ANF 9-6-20
« Reply #421 on: Sep 19, 20, 10:28:26 PM »
a large congregation of tankers over the area ready to drop retardant. I count 3 S-2 tankers, 5 large air tankers & 3 VLATs over the area. 91,017 acres & 15% contained as of this morning.
Two weeks ago, had there been this kind of air response and not parked aircraft, Juniper Hills residents would have homes to go home to, the forest (likely a relic forest) would be intact and taxpayers wouldn't have had to incur the costs of many weeks of firefighter costs (and the toll this takes on them and their families), increased insurance premiums, and residents if Wrightwood would be spending a relaxing weekend living their lives instead of packing their things.

Also, it occurred to me that steering the fire between the burn scars of older extreme fires is a very efficient way to insure the entire forest is wiped out piece by piece.

Tough questions from people who aren't keyboard jockies like me should follow this episode.

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Re: Wildfire News 2020- Bobcat Fire ANF 9-6-20
« Reply #422 on: Sep 19, 20, 10:56:00 PM »

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Re: Wildfire News 2020- Bobcat Fire ANF 9-6-20
« Reply #423 on: Sep 19, 20, 11:17:32 PM »
Joe Schmoe,
I think the delay was because of drones flying? Or weather?

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Re: Wildfire News 2020
« Reply #424 on: Sep 19, 20, 11:39:52 PM »
I think those were the reasons given, and I think those who know more than me should review those decisions to ensure that assessment was accurate...and review the details of the policy they were following.

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Re: Wildfire News 2020- Bobcat Fire ANF 9-6-20
« Reply #425 on: Sep 19, 20, 11:43:24 PM »
LACoFD-Fire near Mt. Emma Rd. Get Set for possible evacuation. LACounty.gov/emergency

LACoFD-Wildfire is near the area N of Mt. Emma Rd. Those nearby should get set for potential evacuation. The areas include S of Pearblossom Hwy, W of Cheseboro Rd, E & N of Angeles Forest Hwy, E & S 122 Hwy, N & W of Mt. Emma Rd. Monitor news, social media and https://lacounty.gov/emergency/ for the latest info or call Red Cross 800-675-5799 for shelter.

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Re: Wildfire News 2020- Bobcat Fire ANF 9-6-20
« Reply #426 on: Sep 19, 20, 11:45:58 PM »

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Re: Wildfire News 2020- Bobcat Fire ANF 9-6-20
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Re: Wildfire News 2020
« Reply #428 on: Sep 19, 20, 11:53:00 PM »
If you hit "enter" it pauses.

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Re: Wildfire News 2020- Bobcat Fire ANF 9-6-20
« Reply #429 on: Sep 19, 20, 11:54:50 PM »

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Re: Wildfire News 2020- Bobcat Fire ANF 9-6-20
« Reply #430 on: Sep 20, 20, 01:05:23 AM »

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Re: Wildfire News 2020- Bobcat Fire ANF 9-6-20
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Re: Wildfire News 2020
« Reply #432 on: Sep 20, 20, 01:30:55 AM »
John, in your post directly above the lowest one, the top perimeter of that map looks like claws or pincers, some with teeth.  I've been thinking about this thing as "the beast"!  That pic sure looks like one!  Thanks so much for keeping us so well informed.  The pics really help to visualize this thing. 

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Re: Wildfire News 2020
« Reply #433 on: Sep 20, 20, 01:35:31 AM »
Joe Schmoe, I'm no firefighter but I will give this a try. You asked why burned structures have not been reported in the news, or why ;people are not informed if they still have their houses.

Who is going to do that during an active fire? Burned buildings take their addresses with them. Street signs burn. There are just smoking piles on an unknown street, while firefighters who don't live there are trying to keep more houses and neighborhoods from going down. Often the only people who can identify the ruins are the residents themselves -- who are not allowed back in as long as there is active fire danger, nor should they be.

It's sad and there is a reason why structure protection is important. I just can't think of anyone who would be with the firefighters who could magically figure out the missing number and missing street signs, and immediately contact press and owners. There just isn't. No one knows yet, or can.

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Re: Wildfire News 2020
« Reply #434 on: Sep 20, 20, 02:13:03 AM »
Chris, it's 2020.  I can think of a number of ways this information can be captured and related.  At the very least the GIS people can give an estimate without even leaving their desks.  A good question is, how many residents in threatened areas are aware that, in my estimate, near 100 structures were lost yesterday?  Is that not time sensitive information?  Information useful to the public and to policy makers?

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Re: Wildfire News 2020
« Reply #435 on: Sep 20, 20, 02:19:23 AM »
Joe....give it a rest.  When this is all over we can pick this apart.  Now is not the time

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Re: Wildfire News 2020
« Reply #436 on: Sep 20, 20, 04:29:40 AM »
Chris, it's 2020.  I can think of a number of ways this information can be captured and related.  At the very least the GIS people can give an estimate without even leaving their desks.  A good question is, how many residents in threatened areas are aware that, in my estimate, near 100 structures were lost yesterday?  Is that not time sensitive information?  Information useful to the public and to policy makers?

The news media is increasingly "infotainment" -- video of a burning house sells advertising.  Lower your expectations.

As for official news:

Right now, the firefighters are fighting fires.  You're right that they could capture the data, but someone would have to set down a hose.

I want them to man the hoses.  Damage assessment can be done later.

As Jim Wilkins said:
Joe....give it a rest.  When this is all over we can pick this apart.  Now is not the time


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Re: Wildfire News 2020
« Reply #437 on: Sep 20, 20, 08:58:11 AM »
Joe, and to anyone who is focused so intensely on the fires in our backyard that we are forgetting about what's going on around us. I hope the NYTimes is still allowing access to this amazing, broad, collection of photos of the fire fights going on up and down the west coast. The last I looked there were at least 40 photos.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/wildfires-photos-california-oregon-washington-state.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

Just think, 1/2 million people in Oregon had to be evacuated. 1/2 million. My brother and his family, in Salem, Or. is safe, but evacuees are filling the fairgrounds right near him. I thought the 80,000 that had to be evac'd during the Blue Cut Fire was a lot.

My friend on Whidbey Island has to wear an N-94 mask to walk her dog because the drift smoke from the fires in CA and Oregon is so strong. My friend in Nova Scotia send me photos of the sun rising in a deep orange haze because of our smoke. Our smoke has reached Europe.

These are highly unusual, and incredibly challenging times and resources up and down the coast are doing their best esp. since they are spread so thin. We all need to get out of our bubble that makes us, and our fight, the center of the universe. It's not.

Yes, saving the billions of dollars of scientific equipment and communications on Mt. Wilson is a prime focus...not just for us but for all of CA and the world, really. And saving whatever we can of the forest, farmland, animals, trees that give us oxygen and food is saving all of us...our ecosystem, not just humans. All of us life forms need the ecosystem to survive. There is a larger relational picture here.

I was an emergency responder for a number of years, out in the field. My life was at risk. I did it for others. Not for me. If you are willing to put your life on the line for your community-at-large, the way Jim and I have, or the incredible pilots flying the planes, or the young hot shot who just lost his life in the fire, then do it instead of continually criticizing that others aren't doing their jobs or making the wrong decisions. Perhaps obsessing on supporting the men and women who are facing these infernos by helping out at Jensens or elsewhere to make sure the troops are getting supplies would be a better use of your wonderful energy. There are so many positive ways to help including getting out of the village early so the first responders don't have to worry about us or risk their lives even further trying to save us.   

Again, I hope the NYTimes still allows access to these photos. Another way to be mindful of the big picture is to go to the community/city newspapers, online, see their photos and read/hear their stories. All in the middle of Covid. We should be so grateful people are willing to put their lives on the line to save us and our communities-at-large.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/wildfires-photos-california-oregon-washington-state.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

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Re: Wildfire News 2020
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« Reply #439 on: Sep 20, 20, 01:39:56 PM »
Once again, we are reminded that the work the men and women who provide us with services that are vital in all sorts of emergencies, often do it knowing full well the risks and possible consequences.  This fire season started early and will continue for some time. 

Charles Edward Morton, Crew Boss,
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September 17, 2020,
El Dorado Fire, San Bernardino National Forest.




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