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Wrightwood post office
« on: Oct 29, 20, 01:15:59 AM »
Does anyone have any information on why the postal service lobby is closed other than the sign on the shuttered door says "Closed for cleaning until further notice"?  I've gone 5 days in a row.  Can't buy stamps, mail out packages or pick up packages or retrieve mail from an overflow notice in my box?  Is this normal here?  I'm a new full time resident so I'm clueless.

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« Reply #1 on: Oct 30, 20, 09:52:55 AM »
Does anyone have any information on why the postal service lobby is closed other than the sign on the shuttered door says "Closed for cleaning until further notice"?  I've gone 5 days in a row.  Can't buy stamps, mail out packages or pick up packages or retrieve mail from an overflow notice in my box?  Is this normal here?  I'm a new full time resident so I'm clueless.

This is 2020.  Nothing is normal.

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« Reply #3 on: Oct 31, 20, 12:24:34 AM »
It must be very strange to be new to the village at this time.

Yes, it is my information that the PO is closed due to Covid exposure/a carrier. Alternate help has been called in to perform the basic services and also do a deep clean. Hence, the counter area is not open but, the "weekend package door" is open so people can get their pkgs. Patty, one of our regular USPS employees also just retired impacting staffing. I know that a couple of months ago there was covid at the main PO in SB which affected our PO.

The employees at the PO have been working under enormous stress due to many factors. These include the focused attempt to destroy the USPS overall by this federal administration which has caused slow downs, lost mail, destruction of equipment, etc, Covid and the modifications required to provide service (masks, the plastic sheeting that was up for so long, the mandatory spacing,) the influx and distribution of voting materials, Medicare materials, etc. etc. They've really done an amazing job keeping up with it all. Yes, patience is required, but thank goodness we have a PO here in town.

Anyone who has dealt with city PO's knows the in-person wait time can easily be as long as ours for services, and usually longer. As we all know, the closest USPO to us in in Phelan. I've been at the WW USPO 2-3x/wk, or more, during covid since I was also picking up mail for neighbors who are more vulnerable than I. Fortunately, I have not seen instances where people have been in line w/o masks, or face coverings, as required. I have seen occasions where people "bop in" just putting a scarf over their face but they are in and out getting mail from their boxes.

In conjunction w/this, Mt. Hardware was also closed due to "deep cleaning,"--covid exposure or positive test. A couple of months ago, the Grizzly Cafe was closed for "deep cleaning" and another eatery in town was closed for the same reason. Far too many people in WW do not wear masks when in the village, which I find extremely frustrating and arrogant. What gives anyone the right to endanger others people's lives and health? This disease is a deadly weapon, esp. for those who have compromised immune systems, etc. We can't go into the PO or businesses waiving loaded guns around. Why would we assume we can go in w/o a required mask?

In any case, things re: covid won't be back to normal for a long time. If we want to survive it, respect and cooperation is required. I, for one, am deeply grateful we have a PO here w/employees who are so helpful even under such duress. I do not want this vital institution of our nation destroyed by design or disease. In the past few months there have been times when posters outside the PO have allowed us to express our gratitude for our PO personnel. I'm hoping we can offer them even more support in these troubling times.

 

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 31, 20, 09:31:46 AM »
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The employees at the PO have been working under enormous stress due to many factors. These include the focused attempt to destroy the USPS overall by this federal administration which has caused slow downs, lost mail, destruction of equipment, etc, Covid and the modifications required to provide service (masks, the plastic sheeting that was up for so long, the mandatory spacing,) the influx and distribution of voting materials, Medicare materials, etc. etc. They've really done an amazing job keeping up with it all. Yes, patience is required, but thank goodness we have a PO here in town.

Yes, they are under tremendous strain but not due to regular mail equipment removal. The world is changing and there is far less mail in the system - sorting machines and mail boxes need to be decommissioned if there is less mail. Packages are a different story. UPS is sending packages to USPS and Amazon are realities in our modern world. Everyone is taking advantage of the too-cheap rates the USPS is offering for package delivery and not staffing up to accommodate the explosive growth. I believe the administration has pointed this out and have asked the USPS to increase their rates for packages.

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In conjunction w/this, Mt. Hardware was also closed due to "deep cleaning,"--covid exposure or positive test. A couple of months ago, the Grizzly Cafe was closed for "deep cleaning" and another eatery in town was closed for the same reason. Far too many people in WW do not wear masks when in the village, which I find extremely frustrating and arrogant. What gives anyone the right to endanger others people's lives and health? This disease is a deadly weapon, esp. for those who have compromised immune systems, etc. We can't go into the PO or businesses waiving loaded guns around. Why would we assume we can go in w/o a required mask?

There is scant to none evidence that Covid can infect from contaminated surfaces - it's too bad that the Post Office and businesses are made to feel obligated to participate in the ritual of "deep cleaning" to appease this superstition. That doesn't mean though that wearing a mask isn't effective, it is and just out of courtesy of nothing else people should wear masks in places where strict social distancing is not possible, I completely agree. I know I am guilty of "boping in" to put my outgoing mail in the box quickly and exit. Though the risk is low still just common decency and courtesy dictate that I should.

I to appreciate the PO and the people that work there. It is a tough job made tougher by the all-to-common problem of bad pricing.

Regards,

--Wes








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« Reply #5 on: Oct 31, 20, 09:56:34 AM »
"Far too many people in WW do not wear masks when in the village, which I find extremely frustrating and arrogant." You won't find too many places with better mask compliance than WW. On the weekends I see folks walking in clusters without masks, but they generally look like families so it isn't arrogant. Mask proponents have had 6 months to convince folks to wear masks 100% of the time outside of their homes, perhaps you're frustrated at the failure to persuade even the Governor, whose order only requires masks outside when distancing is impossible. Is distancing outside ever impossible? When walking around outside I have always been able to maintain 6, 12, 20 or however many feet from folks not wearing masks.

Regarding the Post Office: I'm sorry if an employee there (or anywhere else) gets sick, but it is unavoidable in that line of work (same applies to the hardware, Jensen's, etc): customers using masks and a squirt of hand sanitizer mitigates spread, but it's not foolproof. Especially in that tiny little lobby with folks standing in line, often for more than 15 mins.

Personally, I wish we didn't have a Post Office. The current system may satisfy some, but it doesn't suit everyone. I get first-class mail very infrequently, so going to the PO twice a week is essentially a chore, taking out the trash. You may disagree, but I'd prefer the groups of lockboxes on corners and home delivery of packages that most communities have. The choice WW made in the '70s or whatever was best for that time, but today the "venerated institution" of the USPS is an anachronism dying a slow death. Most of what it delivers is non-essential (bulk-rate advertising) and the tiny fraction that is essential could be easily handled by other carriers.

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« Reply #6 on: Oct 31, 20, 05:41:49 PM »
But Wes ?  Did you grab the worst covid transmitter in the town of Wrightwood, without a tissue or glove . The POST OFFICE DOOR Handle. I watched 9 out of 11 people open the door with bare hands ! Just think about not humans.

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« Reply #7 on: Oct 31, 20, 05:45:36 PM »
They got rid of the trash containers, fine , but we need a hand sanitizer dispenser at the door. the handle is a Petri dish. !

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« Reply #8 on: Oct 31, 20, 06:16:19 PM »
I never open that door with my bare hand. Always with a sanitizer wipe or something else. It's a petri dish.

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« Reply #9 on: Oct 31, 20, 07:50:04 PM »
Thank you all for your replies.  Much appreciated.  Yes,  buying a cabin in a small mountain community on your first visit not knowing a single person nor anything about the community does make one feel like an observer from a foreign country.  I lived in Pine Cove above Idyllwild for years then moved down the hill to the desert, then lived on my 60ft Bayliner in Marina Del Rey before making the decision to move back to the mountains. I brought the cabin a week before the COVID 19 lock down.  It was a weird time.  I've bought my properties so Im familiar with the process.  Selling a house in Palm Springs during the lockdown was challenging too.  Finding people to do flooring, plumbing, etc was extremely difficult since I always ask friends for recommendations but I knew no one and Yelp and Nextdoor were no help and all the businesses were closed or didn't know if they were allowed to work. Then moving...it took 3 months to find a mover not afraid to work.  My kind of guys.  No masks lots of hand shakes. 

So here I am a clueless newbie that's a live and let live guy and a patriot that loves the solitude of the mountains.  I may ask a lot of stupid questions and mean no offense Im just trying to get to know Wrightwood and it's people without having to hang out at a bar or join a club. Thx






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« Reply #10 on: Nov 01, 20, 10:36:17 AM »
Willkommen! However, if those are your demands, you better join a church, lol.

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« Reply #11 on: Nov 01, 20, 03:45:54 PM »
I'm Greek Orthodox and unfortunately there isn't a Greek Orthodox church up here in Wrightwood.  I have to go down off the mountain.

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 01, 20, 05:36:03 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 02, 20, 10:57:59 AM »
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But Wes ?  Did you grab the worst covid transmitter in the town of Wrightwood, without a tissue or glove . The POST OFFICE DOOR Handle. I watched 9 out of 11 people open the door with bare hands ! Just think about not humans.
I did indeed use the door handle with my bare hands. The virus just is not transmitted this way. Early on before there was much known it was a concern, but we know a lot more now. Getting sick from a surface transmission is very unlikely to non existent.

Regards,

--Wes

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« Reply #14 on: Nov 02, 20, 11:26:49 AM »
Wes it may not be considered the primary method of spreading the virus but CDC surely includes droplets landing on surfaces and objects in their latest information posted online.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html#Spread

It spreads through respiratory droplets or small particles, such as those in aerosols, produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, sings, talks, or breathes.

These particles can be inhaled into the nose, mouth, airways, and lungs and cause infection. This is thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

Droplets can also land on surfaces and objects and be transferred by touch. A person may get COVID-19 by touching the surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or eyes. Spread from touching surfaces is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

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« Reply #15 on: Nov 02, 20, 12:09:10 PM »
World Health Organization also recognizes touching surfaces as a method of spread

Source: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-how-is-covid-19-transmitted

The virus can also spread after infected people sneeze, cough on, or touch surfaces, or objects, such as tables, doorknobs and handrails. Other people may become infected by touching these contaminated surfaces, then touching their eyes, noses or mouths without having cleaned their hands first.

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« Reply #16 on: Nov 02, 20, 02:16:47 PM »
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The virus can also spread after infected people sneeze, cough on, or touch surfaces, or objects, such as tables, doorknobs and handrails. Other people may become infected by touching these contaminated surfaces, then touching their eyes, noses or mouths without having cleaned their hands first.

It is a theory but not a proven one. Even though it is possible, it is so unlikely that the reaction of closing down the Post Office for a couple of weeks while everything is cleaned is unwarranted. I think this kind of ritual and overstatement by Post Office Management undermines the very real danger of spreading Covid in the ways in which it really does spread, through talking to someone within a couple of feet without masks. I would bet that that whomever was infected in the PO did not get it from the Post Office itself, but rather it is more likely they got it from their personal lives in the usual way that people get together. I don't know this of course, I may be wrong but I think it likely.

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« Reply #17 on: Nov 02, 20, 03:13:15 PM »
I made my fourth attempt to collect packages today and had to stand in line nearly 45 minutes. Two people near front of the line were not wearing masks. It was a long wait (well beyond 15 mins) outside the lobby and near or beyond 15 mins inside. I was frustrated personally but was truly upset for the women in front and behind me who both had spouses at home with cancer and other issues and both were on chemo.
So, it is possible an employee contracted it on the job if that did happen...IMHO.

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« Reply #18 on: Nov 02, 20, 03:13:47 PM »
I agree with Wes -- so much of what we're doing is security theater, akin to our reaction at airports after 9/11.  Viral load is extremely important with this virus, because of cross-identification by the immune system with other betacoronaviruses already circulating.  Unless someone spits a huge loogy on a door knob and then you stick your finger in your nose, you're probably not going to get enough of a dose to become infected.  But standing in line inside with the doors closed and no air circulation is a different story.  Two people in the lobby at a time doesn't matter at all if the air's not circulating; you're breathing the last person's air, especially when they can't figure out how to wear a mask properly.  Taking Vitamin D to increase T-cell production as far more important advice than any of this, and how often to health officials say that? 

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« Reply #19 on: Nov 02, 20, 04:05:48 PM »
I agree.  I studied microbiology in college and was a medic and on an ambulance for decades. The only time we wore a mask was a custom filled bill duck N95 was when we had a TB patient. The masks were worn once and thrown away in biohazard containers.  I also spent time studying different kinds of masks under a microscope.  The fiber gaps are too big to protect you from a virus as small as COVID. They go right through.  The most important thing I learned clinically was wash your hands frequently, do not touch your face, eyes, mouth.  Wipe down frequently used surfaces and items in your home and car including your cellphone, keys and credit cards with disinfectants. 

I also take Dr Shiva's coronavirus protection protocol:
Daily:
1000 mg Vit C
5000 IU Vit D
10000 IU Vit A Palmitate
50 mg Zinc
6 drops of Lugols Iodine solution
Then two days once a month up your intake of Vit D and Vit A to 50,000 IU Vit D and 400,000 IU Vit A.
I'm high risk because of age, asthma and late stage Lyme. I never wear a mask unless required to enter a. establishment and don't social distance.  I am feeling just fine. I also believe in herd immunity.  I wish the US had followed Sweden's approach to the virus.

 

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