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Re: Self protection
« Reply #20 on: Mar 08, 12, 03:14:25 PM »
ChrisLynnet: A Mossberg 500 combo 12 GA is a good shotgun for home defence. I comes with two barrels, one short for "around the house" and a longer "trap" barrel that you can use for trap shooting, which is a fun way to become familiar with the gun. Also take a class that covers safety, California gun laws and shooting instruction. As someone mentioned Apple Valley Gun Club is a good place. You do not need to be a member to take classes or shoot during open shooting days. You can shop for and get good deals on guns ammo and accessories at the OC Gun Show at the fairgrounds. Lots of vendors to compare prices. I haven't bought a gun in California in a while but I do not think there is a waiting period on a shotgun.

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #21 on: Mar 08, 12, 03:16:42 PM »
Thank you Keltnip!

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« Reply #22 on: Mar 08, 12, 04:26:25 PM »
Just phooey. My message got lost again. I must be doing something wrong. My point was that a security system does not cost much more than a gun and protects your home when you're not there. I pretty much only arm ours when we're not home. I do have a 'panic button' next to my bed because I like to sleep with the windows wide open. Doubt I'll ever need it.

I've had different systems in different homes over the years. Happy to share experience with anyone considering a system. The salesmen will try to sell you components you do not need. I interviewed several companies before I decided on Hi Desert. They're local, their price was the best and the salesman was truly knowledgable and didn't try to sell me stuff I didn't need.

Let's face it. Sheriff response times are slower here. They cover a lot of territory. But, if someone does break into your place - that bell that wakes the dead goes off and hopefully scares away anyone trying to break in and alerts your neighbors.

The gun clubs I've gone to rented different guns for target practice. That way you can figure out which one works for you. I don't know about Apple Valley.

As for kids and guns. If you have a gun in the house it is critical to teach children not to touch them and to practice good gun safety. My brother, then 13, broke the lock off of Dad's gun case and managed to shoot a hole in his hand and the wall. Boy, was my Dad p'od. He made him report himself to the police and was grounded forever.  cheryl o7o
 

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #23 on: Mar 08, 12, 04:53:38 PM »
Even with an alarm system, you will experience delayed response times from authorities. Yes, it's possible that the sound of the alarm might scare someone away though

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« Reply #24 on: Mar 08, 12, 04:58:55 PM »
Chryslynnet (and others considering a purchase)--If you don't want to wait for a gun show, Turner's Outdoorsman has quite a variety of guns. I wouldn't BUY from them necessarily, they're not cheap. They'll be happy to let you handle all types, so you can see if something feels too unwieldy, or feels just right in your hand.

There are pro's and cons to all types.  I don't like semi-automatics--when you hear about someone cleaning a gun and it goes off, it was because the owner removed the clip, but forgot to empty the chamber.  Some claim a round was "stuck" in the chamber.  But, they hold the most bullets. (I think its ridiculous to worry about a home-invasion crew in WW, where a # of bullets would be handy.)  When my dad got too old to effectively shoot a revolver, he got a Beretta Tomcat .32, a small caliber semi.  All guns kick back with the explosion that sends the bullet flying--its pretty small in that Beretta.  Which is something to consider in a shotgun.  Its got a big kick.  Sure, its scatter-shot so your aim doesn't have to be perfect, but if you're not holding it just right (in an emergency situation--why I can't imagine that happening  ;) ), its going to knock you off balance, possibly knock you down.  And if your aim was off, you're vulnerable.  But on the other hand, the classic "chkchk" sound of a shotgun being cocked would probably make any intruder pee his pants and run the other way (a 28 gauge shotgun has less kick). . . A revolver holds 6 rounds.  You can pull the trigger to shoot, or pull back the hammer for a much lighter touch on the trigger.  I think a revolver (.357 magnum) has a much more natural feel and the kick is not that bad to me.  More about kick: http://www.ehow.com/about_6661201_recoil-357-magnum-pistol_.html

As you can see, there are many considerations.
Keltnip and others have excellent advice.  Definitely shoot before you buy.  Just my  :2cents:

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« Reply #25 on: Mar 08, 12, 05:22:29 PM »
Chris, I am far and away from being a gun expert (I only have one firearm), but if you are worried about a 12 gauge shotgun being too powerful for you to handle, you could look in to either low-recoil ammunition (it does make a big difference) or a 20 gauge shotgun.  At close ranges a 20 gauge is still more than enough (way more than enough) to incapacitate someone at short ranges, and the recoil is lighter.  We almost went with this, but my wife has been able to handle the 12 gauge, so we are happy with that.  If you go to a firearm store (we used Bass Pro in Rancho) the sales people ought to be knowledgable and will hook you up with exactly what you need.

Wrongone2messwith, I am not worried about an intruder wrestling my shotgun from me.  This brings up the question of tactics.  I'm not going to be walking through my house with shotgun in hand searching for the intruder.  So I won't present the opportunity for him to take my firearm.  I will be in a room behind a closed door.  If that door opens...then I will use the shotgun.  Some might want to take more offense-oriented, pro-active tactics, but unless you have military or police training I'm not sure that it is wise for home defense.  If you hear an intruder, call the police, and only use the gun if and when directly confronted.  That's my philosophy, although I know others may disagree.

Incidentally, I would be a bit less confident in using a hand gun.  The first thing to go in a high-stress situation is your fine motor skills - unless you are firing that handgun regularly at a range, and have committed that skill to second-nature muscle memory, you aren't going to fire all that accurately.  One still must be proficient when using a shotgun, but accuracy is not nearly as critical, and I'd be a lot more confident that I could use it effectively even when panicked.

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« Reply #26 on: Mar 08, 12, 06:48:21 PM »
Any one getting or possessing a gun needs safety training before using it.  It's important to remember that if you use a gun, never point a gun at anyone unless you plan to shoot them.  Always assume the gun is loaded.  Don't flash a weapon.  If they are in your house and you show what you have, they might have something bigger.  If you are timid in the use of guns, you may be the one getting shot.

Guns are not for everyone.  Everyone has the right to one!    Unless you are a felon.     

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Self protection
« Reply #27 on: Mar 08, 12, 08:21:57 PM »

Question: are the PCT hikers in town yet? Because they look pretty scrappy too. I think it's early for them though.

No, they're not. The earliest one we ever had was in mid March and that was EARLY! They will start showing up in late April and May. And don't be surprised if you see em on our street ;).

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« Reply #28 on: Mar 08, 12, 08:30:48 PM »
Yes, I was home. I got up to open the door infact thinking it was a friend of mine then realized as I went to unlock it she was in the restroom. She ran out and said did u hear that? And I said he's back :( I started to cry and sat down and called 911. I feel like he isn't finished. Very scared.

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« Reply #29 on: Mar 08, 12, 09:29:18 PM »
Dear Wrongonetomesswith,

Did that happen today, or another day? Was there someone there when you opened the door? Did your friend see that person? That could help. I understand you feel frightened and vulnerable. That is understandable. But, you know,, you are going to be totally ok. When you feel frightened.. sometimes you react to the least little thing thinking that 'the person' is back again. That's when you laugh at yourself and relax. You just relax and have a cup of tea. (I prefer whiskey.) all best, cheryl o7o

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« Reply #30 on: Mar 08, 12, 10:37:16 PM »
Tuesday my friend heard him in house she was one room away with door open he ran out. My house is tiny, maybe 500 sq ft. He closed the very solid heavy door behind him. She froze and didn't look out windo but footprints in the snow. Friday yes I was home. I didn't open the door, I was close but didn't of course. Officer told me he got in from back fence. This happened. I've never been afraid for two solid years infact tell my friends its so safe there and its for that reason I live there. It still may be, however not my house. He wants in.

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« Reply #31 on: Mar 08, 12, 10:45:47 PM »
So again...can I ask that we get together...if someones at my door I call a list of numbers and this guy get caught rather than me having to wait til he gets in? I'm looking otherwise. I can't do this by myself :(  I would do it for you guys. Lol

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wrongone2messwith

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« Reply #33 on: Mar 09, 12, 12:07:12 AM »
You're right. It isn't the wild west. And I'm trying to keep it that way. I can sit back and allow it I guess being that I'm 5 ft tall and weigh 115 lbs. I mean I don't stand a chance. But doing that I sure make it easy for the riff raff to rob me, possibly hurt me, and take MY right to peace away. I won't let him or anyone run my darn home. Gun it is....everytime. Sorry.

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #34 on: Mar 09, 12, 12:10:55 AM »
Dear Wrong2messwith,

If you'd feel comfortable doing this.. how about posting your block address here? Not your address but just your block and street. You are among friends & neighbors here that want to help you. If you don't want to do that.. I completely understand. If you do tell us where you are ..then those near you can keep their eyes open for you.

You are safe. You are completely safe. I just want to reassure you about that. You are safe sweetheart. You are safe. all best, cheryl o7o

p.s. What the heck is your first name? I am Cheryl.

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« Reply #35 on: Mar 09, 12, 01:10:31 AM »
No, they're not. The earliest one we ever had was in mid March and that was EARLY! They will start showing up in late April and May. And don't be surprised if you see em on our street ;).

That's what I thought. Because I'd hate to "J'accuse!" a scruffy looking bearded guy and he turned out to be a thru hiker! AWKWARD.  :P

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« Reply #36 on: Mar 09, 12, 01:17:34 AM »
Great advice in my dreams, Cigar, and Chuck. Thanks.

wrongone, no one is telling you not to get a gun, just that you know how to use it. Didn't you say you already bought a handgun? I think putting in a security system is a good idea too. And do you like dogs? If you like them and will treat one as your companion, then a dog can be an incredible addition to any security system. Also, do you have a friend that can stay with you for a few days until this gets ironed out?

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« Reply #37 on: Mar 09, 12, 01:30:52 AM »
If you are a woman and want to learn to shoot the Lions Club has a very popular program,
http://www.lvlionsclub.com/publicshootingrange.htm
If you go to the range and ask questions you will get lots of advice, and usually will have the opportunity to shoot several firearms.

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« Reply #38 on: Mar 09, 12, 03:03:09 AM »
I have shot guns for years. The gun I have is a 45 caliber. I can handle it and shoot my target at the range with great skill. I never kept a gun in the house before this predator decided to come over TWICE is BECAUSE I have a child who always had friends in and out of the house and it wasn't the right decision to own one for us then and BECAUSE I'm responsible and BECAUSE I have always felt I could protect my child and have. We have been lucky. She left for college. I'm alone now. This is a first someone coming in my home and trying a second time 3 days later. I am not trigger happy, I know the gun. And I will use it if and only if he enters my home. Its stays locked up and unloaded until bedtime at which time yes a bullets in the chamber. I am tiny and shoot a 45. If I didn't know what I was doing that wouldn't be the gun to have now would it. Cmon...if this happened to you what would u do? I love dogs but I work. Unfair to a dog I think. Its not the polices fault they can't help me more. Its the counties and congress's and those of us who voted them in. I could go on and on. Just wanted to notify everyone because it would be so wrong not to tell u this was happening and could to you. Thank u those that have tried to help, its so very much apreciated. Really. Thank you. Everyone here seems like a neat bunch of people. I am very much for what rights I do have, and will keep a gun to protect myself. If the unfortunate circumstance happens and he gets in,those who think its not the way to go, having a gun, well you won't have to thank me for taking one sicko out of wrightwood and from getting into your home scaring the crap out of you. I sound angry....I'm not, frustrated maybe. Because this shouldn't be a discussion or opinion on guns....it should be taken seriously and some can choose not to....that's your choice. Just be safe everyone. Oh, btw...-m told the guy the police said it could be, well his neighbor say he feeds the dogs bones. They no longer bark when he goes by. Get it? Take it seriously neighbors. I have ton I wasn't given a choice. Goodnight all.

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Re: Self protection
« Reply #39 on: Mar 09, 12, 03:53:22 AM »
Its awful you have to live with this kind of fear.  It was good of you to put your self out here and let people know what's going on. True, the gun and protection discussion took on a life of its own, but that may be very beneficial to a lot of people. Also, with any luck, the creep harassing you will read all of this, or his friends will, and it will end!